Unions had their place years ago, they provided workers with a means of redress of grievances and safer working conditions. But now? What are they doing now, except keeping wages and costs artificially high? In light of the monstrously inflated union worker wages, is anyone really surprised at the massive outsourcing this country has seen in the past several decades?
If George Bush wanted to push this same exact bill the liberals would have freaked out and screamed bloody murder. If Obama was to say we need to cut the population these people would get in line first to be exterminated and think its the greatest proposal ever! They have NO critical thinking whatsoever. These ignorant sheep will follow a liberal leader of a cliff!
Another liberal telling US what we need. She only knows what she is being told by her idol. She has no idea she is being used, abused and manipulated. So sad.
So Ironic. You people are being manipulated by the insurance companies, Glenn Beck and Dick Armey. None of you have an original thought in your tiny little neo con brains. Go wave your confederate flags in private we don't need people like you in America. You people are supposedly pro life but are taking the side of a health care system that kills babies every day. Cuba has a better live birth rate than we do. Go home and play your little tea bag game in private.
The united states...get it? Our country that is supposed to be the best in the world...that makes one exceptional merely for being born...you know that "we".
And why would you fear someone that you don't even know...you have no idea what my political point of view is, classic ignorance is a fear of the unknown, you need to stop watching mainstream news and think for yourself. "We" is a perfectly correct way to talk about the country as a whole. And you completely ignored the substance of my post. Why do you think the united states has such a pathetic live birth rate? We are supposed to be the best and brightest, remember?
It is impossible to respect the opinions of someone that would blanket the opposition with this statement - "You people are being manipulated by the insurance companies, Glenn Beck and Dick Armey. None of you have an original thought in your tiny little neo con brains."
I you want to debate, lose the MSNBC/Fox issued laguage and try the original English on for size.
I was railing against neo cons and politicians in general long before msnbc tried their pathetic faux liberal ratings grab. Unlike most americans I actually recognize the lingering presence of Kissenger over all our foreign policy decisions, and I have every right to call out the health care system for being an absolute disgrace.
Read history for a try. After Roosevelt the first administration to attempt Universal Healthcare was Nixon's. Of which Kissenger was a part. I suppose that was not mentioned in the two page pamphlet you read on this subject.
I was talking about Kissenger and FOREIGN POLICY, not domestic. And if you think Kissenger used any political energy trying to get healthcare for everyone, you are so insanely wrong.
You don't know what Kissenger did, as is obvious. As well, what does Kissenger have to do with this debate? Please stop living in the 60's. Vietnam is over.
No one said anything about Iraq. I thought this was about health care. But the fact that you would believe an opponent of Government Health Care would naturally be a supporter of war against Islam is, again, telling about your thought process; Very parochial and hardly original.
And sorry if I don't agree with your bullshit argument against any "we" when discussing America. I guess you would prefer being left to fight terrorism, poverty, and other wonders of "civilization" on your own.
Goooooooooo Joe! My new hero! OBAMA-YOU LIE!!!! All you idiots who want socialism, THINK!! NAZI GERMANY-SOCIALISTS USSR-SOCIALISTS LONG LINES FOR FOOD NO MIDDLE CLASS POLICE STATE NO FREE PRESS JUST PROPAGANDA MACHINES NEIGHBOR WATCHING NEIGHBOR Come on- is that what you really want???
We have public schools and private schools. We're mandated to attend school! I have to pay for public no matter if my children attend or not! I have to pay if I choose to send my children to a private school plus the public! We've asked for choice but we're forced to pay for the public option!! This is ludicrous!
This is sick. They accuse regular people of being part of some organization and then turn around and do the exact same thing they're accusing American people of doing. It's typical "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Don't ya just love it?
tj, they aren't hindering the debate, they are the only debate because the pablum swallowing media like CNN and MSNBC and sychophantic sheeple like yourself are all too willing to do what your god BHO want you to regurgitate. As for Bush "underfunding" you need a civics lesson...CONGRESS funds, not the prez. And since Congress was run by the demonrats like most of the last 70 years, it is truly the Demonrats that are responsible for our mess & their power grab now is the fascism Obama demands.
So who is manufacturing the news? Obama is really saying.
"Listen to me U typical white people. You will get back in your place and sit down. U will return to being gullible & apathetic & let us meet in secret, then tell U in our best belittling and condscending voice what U will do. We the gubment R your superiors. If u don't get on board, we will release the union thugs that I community organized or the acorn goons 2 hurt u until I can fully oppress u with my smiley face fascism boy."
I love how when the crowd is booing her loudly, she nods and smiles like they are cheering her on. These phony Statist bastards are being unmasked on a daily, even hourly basis. The People are rising up and will throw off the chains that are being fastened around our necks.
It looks like to me that protesters did not even have a seat. Those seated are obamanites only. This is disgusting that her constituents are locked out and stand in the back while union cronies were given seats and propagandas n advance. I wonder if any of those obamanites belonds to her district. Maybe they were all just bussed in from outside of her district.
the funny thing is that people get caught up in this liberal vs. conservative bullshit. and thats exactly what it is, BULLSHIT. if you focus only on the differences between people then thats all you will see. all this back and forth in the media is meant to distract you from realizing that people are the same here and around the world, they want to have food, shelter, someone to love and love them back, and have some fun/enjoy life. people use this their political views as way to spew hate, why?
Honest Americans had to put up with this crap for nearly 100 years with Socialist tools acting as the heavy hand of the Far Left.
Code Pink does this regularly. The only difference is they're paid to do it. It's their job to harrass. They're fascist tools.
I think it's funny that tool was a compliment of the Left. The ideological founder of the Left, Rousseau, called the people "tools for the collective." Yeah, you're a bunch of fucking tools. Real Americans don't want Government HC.
Why are right-wingers so afraid of the message getting out. They resort to simply yelling and screaming, halting all reasonable debate. This is not reasonable public discourse, this is mob-rules thuggery. I hope all you bought and paid for thugs are happy when the insurance companies double your premiums and you can no longer afford the coverage you have. Hold on to your status-quo, you will choke on it without any competition in the market.
Bought and paid for? As you watch those signs being passed out and I'm sure you've seen the people bussed in with all the matching shirts? Are you out of your mind? If this were a fair process it would be a referendum vote not this propaganda BS.
How do you call this reasonable debate? The seats were pre-filled with people who support the government takeover of healthcare - this was a staged event to sell something to the American people that they don't want. If you think a public option will increase competition you need to learn some economics and some history. History shows that when a government interferes like this, they eventually have to pass special laws, tariffs, price controls, etc. to prop their system up and end freed choice.
The only thing the ultra-right wing nutjob protesters were trying to accomplish was to HALT the debate and not allow discussion. That's not what Town Halls were meant form. They are meant to be a place where leaders can get together with constituents and actually discuss these issues.
As I said, the seats were pre-filled with 90% plants, and you didn't answer the question - how is there debate when you try to rig the audience with people who agree with you? I've studied history for many years, and I'm going back to school to get a masters degree in economics - and I agree with these "ignorant" people. They are being dragged by a tyranny of the majority into something they believe is wrong. You also ignored my point that govt. programs stifle competition not improve it.
Who is to say they are "plants' . That's just something you made up. As I said, and you failed to read, those who were there to discuss this were seated, those who only wanted to disrupt were standing and yelling. Typical right-wing thuggary.
As far as "tyranny" goes, again, those black helicopters are circling, better watch out for them.
Tell me how introducing a plan that will cost less is going to stifle competition. Explain how you would infuse competition into this monopoly.
Watch the other videos shot by other people at this same event - the ones showing SEIU supporters (in their t-shirts) being let in the side door, while other people are held back, so I didn't "make it up" - you didn't do your homework. Name one government program in the history of the world that provided good service at a lower cost. I would infuse competition by ending the tax break that corporations get to provide health plans, thereby restoring the consumer's ability to compete in the market.
You said 90% were plants. Now you hold up as evidence ONE event where you think people are being let in through (what you THINK) is a side door. Yes, that's made up nonsense and the talk of conspiracy theorists.
One government program that IS providing better service at a lower cost to consumers IS Medicare.
As far as your supposed expertise about economics goes. There are two tenets that hold true for economics in particular. Nothing is absolute and experience trumps education any day.
Yeah, don't go looking for the videos I talked about, that would require actual effort on your part and it might shine light on the dark underbelly of your coercive beliefs. A little inconvenient fact about Medicare - it will be broke in a couple years. Typical of Progressives' economic ignorance you see only the superficial effect of Medicare - a consumer gets doctors visits and scrips at a reduced cost or free, but you ignore the fact that it was funded by others who get nothing in return.
Where's the "proof" in a video you've seen on youtube? Like I said, if you search for things to support the agenda you've been fed by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, you're likely to find them.
On the Medicare going broke myth that the right love to tout. It's all part of the plan to fund it...since Bush UNDERFUNDED it, like so many other programs. Ask a senior citizen how they like Medicare, they'll say they love it. That's why the uninformed don't want "the gov'ment touching" it. It works.
As far as doing my homework goes. I sure hope you do more than watch youtube videos as homework for your Masters program ;)
Homework...HA!!
Again, typical of right wingers. They watch and listen to only those things that support their already skewed views...and hold those up as proof of their slanted points, ideas, and examples of "homework".
OK, show me the videos where supporters of healthcare takeover are being punched, shoved and excluded from town hall meetings.I believe in peace, freedom and prosperity. Go to a mirror, look into it, and say, "People who believe in peace, freedom and prosperity are crazy - I believe in control, violence and mob rule." This will help you come to terms with what your beliefs are really all about.
Are you serious with that? These people are out for a fight. They've been told to disrupt meetings by being unruly and "shouting down" their Congressmen. That's not my idea of people who love peace, freedom, and prosperity. It's an example of how to shut down rational debate. If they want to get into the meetings, how about not SHOUTING when constituents and Congressmen are speaking. How about waiting to be called on, as part of the overall solution instead of being a disruption to peace.
And for the record, I don't support anyone being pushed or shoved. Just like you shouldn't support someone whose main agenda is to stop rational public discourse by disrupting a peaceful meeting. And I'm not going to say the protesters got what was coming to them. Bad actions should not be met with more bad actions. These protesters are simply hindering the debate. What are they so afraid of, that people will actually talk about the plan to reform a system that will soon bankrupt us all?
You do, in fact, support pushing and shoving. By asserting a "right" to healthcare, you and your fellow supporters claim the right to force my support for a program I believe to be wrong. Furthermore, you are also claiming the right to be served by other human beings - doctors and nurses, whether they consent or not. Forcing the compliance and servitude of other human beings is a form of violence.
You are way out there, aren't you? You do realize that even if a public option is included (looks less likely). Doctors and nurses will still be private citizens running private practices or in privately owned hospitals. Right? There is nothing ANYWHERE about the gov. taking over practices or making them "servants". This is the kind of false information and dogmatic nonsense that permeates the right!! Feeding the fear is their mantra.
You need to learn some history - government programs have never competed fairly with private enterprises - the government programs always end up getting special laws, tariffs, and subsidies passed and eventually the private option is pushed out or outlawed altogether. Just because they SAY the private healthcare market will remain in tact can't stop the reality of what always happens when govt. invades the free market. Look at Amtrak and the post office.
Heaven forbid we take away any profit from the money health care industry. After all health insurance should be all about profit, right? I mean what do we, as a nation, value most? Health of our citizens or profit of our corporations?
Let them continue to deny claims, as long as they are profiting; everyone's happy. Meanwhile both France and Canada have public health care and have THREE years of life expectancy over us. The US is 50th in the world, but health insurance is very lucrative.
Health care is a product like any other, and the "evil" profit motive is what drives people to provide better, more efficient goods and services. The mistake you are making is assuming that the only two choices are between the government/corporate fascist partnership we have now or total government control. There is another choice - it's called "freedom" - all you have to do is look at industries where the govt, has left private enterprise alone. BTW, the health rankings aren't outcome-based.
HA! Tell me how the market has improved health insurance. They have a monopoly in most states. Neither their service nor their prices are competitive. There is outright collusion among many of insurers, conspiring to keep premiums high and claim payments low. There is no "choice" in the current system. People that DO have health care get it from employers, they have no choice in who they buy from.
That's the entire point of having a public option; add competition to a market that has none.
You don't get it - market forces haven't been operating in healthcare for 40+ years because of govt. meddling. Managed-care state monopolies exist because govt. made it ILLEGAL to purchase insurance across state lines. People have been herded into employer-based care because govt, gave tax breaks to corporations to provide health plans. A public option doesn't compete fairly because it is based on force not free choice, and because it gets to ignore market forces. I hope you wake up to reality.
You are delusional. The monopolies exist because that's the way all insurance brokers want it. If you only have ONE place to go to get your insurance, then it makes collusion not only possible but a normal business practice. There needs to be MORE government regulation, not LESS. They need to be forced to take those with pre-existing conditions and the monopolies need to be broken up. There needs to be a low-cost alternative, a public option, to drive the cost down. The market broke this.
The only way monopolies have been able to persist is when they get protection and special favors from government, and yet you blame only the corporations and not the coercive government that backs them up with the laws, courts, jails and guns. Big government and lots of regulations BENEFIT the ultra wealthy and big corporations, which is why when you dig into the history of this country, you find that the elites pushed for regulations behind the scenes while opposing them in public.
BTW, I have government health care...thanks to my 22 years of active duty military service. So by your premise, I'm forcing YOUR to pay for MY health care (through taxes). Your premise has so many holes that there isn't enough space in the comment box to explore them all.
Well when you hear us say Communist with liberals its not that far off from the Socialist they are.After all Socialism is communism's little brother.Yes there is different forms of Socialism but its all bad in my book,screw big government and you "I want every thing for free",weed smoking liberals!
I could not have said it better. These ppl are a bunch of ignorant racist good ole boys spewing all that hate. "I am an AMERICAN" "My constitutional rights". Most of these nasty people have violated others rights. These ppl screaming Nazi and communist is the most ignorant thing that I have ever heard. We cant move forward as a nation. They rather have America fail.
Lesliegilda dont be mad because your president sucks and approval rating dropping by the day and he has no idea what he is doing and his wife is a rock monster,oh and im from San Francisco and the furtherist thing from a rednick!
Not too sure how fair that is. Who is to say that these "Union" people didn't car pool as well. So if both groups came from out of county... and the Obama supporters got in first, that doesn't seem to fair.
Well, the SEIU put on the event, so yeah, there probably were a few Union members there. The office that put it on were Democrats so the people that were let in those who helped set up, the Florida Consumer Action Network (cosponsors), SEIU, Childrens' Board officers (the building admin) and the sherriff.
It's obvious these people were not interested in having any kind of discussion. Then, they claim to be victims when people say they act like an angry mob.
I love how you assume all Republicans are racist because they dont support your president and when that happens you pull the race card,but thats nothing new being your party has profited off racial politics for a very long time!
Well, if you pull your head out of the sand then you would see that they don't like you either. How long have you been walking around in fantasy land? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Better yet disagree and see how they start calling you out of your name. They will spew RACIST slurs everytime. Has anyone told you that you are in AMERICA. hahahahahaha
Thugs on parade. These people must be kept out because their conduct is counter to the democratic process. Their agenda is simply to shout as loud as possible to stymie the panelists and others who do wish to debate various aspect of HC reform in a civil manner. If one cannot handle the other side's point of view, he/she does not deserve a moment of attention and must be axed.
P.S. Where are the authorities to taser Code Pink and Tea Party goons.
You call packing the audience with 90% healthcare takeover supporters "the democratic process"? What a joke. There wasn't supposed to be any "debate" in this room and you could tell by the face of the congress critter that she wasn't prepared for the kind of reaction she got. They probably told her she would be preaching to the choir. All she knew how to do was keep rambling her practiced speech. The veil of lies is being lifted, the People are waking up.
First, how are you sure whether 90% of the attendees are the supporter of current bill? I don't care if there are 2 or 1000 for the reform, as long as people engage in a civil discourse. But it's not what these lummoxes are after; they are there to disturb the peace. You said it yourself, 10% of crowd comprised of opposition yet their screech is the only shriek we hear in the meetings? When is this braying going to end? Everyone has a right to ask questions but respectfully and orderly.
is "Acorn" code word for brown people? I see no shirt with Acorn, no sign, no nothing of Acorn ... and the "union thugs" - those were plain clothes officers ... and they took their own pictures and have the names and addresses of everyone there.
Xxoax since you are ignorant ... SEIU - it says SEIU
SEIU was a sponsor and the acronym stands for Service Employees International Union
Your post is EXACTLY why the media, our representatives and the world think that tea-baggers/birthers are so ignorant aka gullible. laugh is on you. thanx!
I guess the posters here have only read the Liberty Counsel's analysis ... lol the Liberty Counsel - of Liberty College - Jerry Falwell and funded in most part by insurance lobbyists for their employers.
Sad to see how gullible my fellow citizens are. sad.
(B) with family income below 400 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family of the size involved. 400% COME ON! SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS. `(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility. Means the government has full rights to your bank accouts. Please wake up and read this trash!
I total agree a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks that can't see two feet in front of them. How could they see with all that hate they are ignorant. They are the real niggers (low down)
good for them. makes the lunatics hold a sign they don't want to with their fake thoughts of liberty. liberty for the rich, but the rednecks fall for it lol
idk but this is so irritating to watch lol OMG those people are really irritating..i feel like they arnt giving her a chance at all..what kind of meeting is that
Probably because they actually READ the bill and know she's lying to their faces about it.
The bill is available in its entirety online, and everyone I know who has actually read it is now 100% against it passing.
It is not about health, care, or reform. It is about tax money for ACORN and unions, RFID cards for everyone or they never see a doctor, and allowing the gov. to withdraw from your private bank account w/o your knowledge or consent.
Why does it always have to be Left and Right Wingers? Why can't it just be concerned American citizens because eveyone on the left is not for it and everyone on the right is not against it. I hate that this has become a Repub/Dem issue. It is so much more than that.
sure, i can agree to that. I am seeing glimmers of an unfortunate 2nd civil war. hopefully not..... but if our politicians keep on this trail of ignoring the people, there will be problems
How do you debate someone that is simply yelling? Tell me, I'd really like to know. These right-wing nut jobs don't want debate they want to shut down the discussion. Fine, they will soon learn what their support of the health insurance industry will cost them. Without meaningful reform, they will be getting far less coverage for far more money. All the while, the health insurance giants will have more of a strangle hold on this industry. They line their pockets with claim denials.
What do you expect people to do when they are having something they disagree with shoved down their throats, especially when this event was rigged to begin with.
Many of those protesters don't even know what's in the bill. They still think there are Death Panels. Half of the seniors who are there protesting are saying things like, "don't get government involved in my Medicare". These aren't people who know economics OR history. They are dolts/lemmings of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. They wouldn't know an original thought if Fox News fed it to them.
Corect me if im wrong but did I hear someone say "they're not alowed in here"? at 2:46... The sign issue was bad enough but to say the public was not alowed in is most definately a breach of our freedom of speach. THIS IS NOT GOOD YALL!
I love how the room was completely stacked with Obama supporters before they seemed to be "forced" to allow the descenters in!
I have called Kathy Castor's office (Washington and Tampa) over 10 times to find out where she stands on "auditing the Fed." Each time they take my phone number and tell me they will "get back to me." I have not heard from them once!
She's another scumbag politician. I GUARANTEE you that she has not read the 1,100 page health care bill, but preaches like she has.
Tea Party is an astroturfed group of old people who've been convinced by banks that deregulation isn't a problem LOL.
PObserver 1 month ago
All great countries have failed from big government and high taxes..
WhatCanIsay100 9 months ago
Just got an email from my employer informing me of my monthy premium cost going up.
Obamacare was written by the insurance companies to make more money period.
cole91v 1 year ago
Unions had their place years ago, they provided workers with a means of redress of grievances and safer working conditions. But now? What are they doing now, except keeping wages and costs artificially high? In light of the monstrously inflated union worker wages, is anyone really surprised at the massive outsourcing this country has seen in the past several decades?
n68firebird 1 year ago
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piercetaylor1 2 years ago
the mob
Yemilady 2 years ago
If George Bush wanted to push this same exact bill the liberals would have freaked out and screamed bloody murder. If Obama was to say we need to cut the population these people would get in line first to be exterminated and think its the greatest proposal ever! They have NO critical thinking whatsoever. These ignorant sheep will follow a liberal leader of a cliff!
Jerrysway 2 years ago
I dont understand, where in the constitution does it say the government is supposed to provide health care?
Jerrysway 2 years ago
Nowhere
stelter20 2 years ago
Another liberal telling US what we need. She only knows what she is being told by her idol. She has no idea she is being used, abused and manipulated. So sad.
yojunkzfaded 2 years ago
So Ironic. You people are being manipulated by the insurance companies, Glenn Beck and Dick Armey. None of you have an original thought in your tiny little neo con brains. Go wave your confederate flags in private we don't need people like you in America. You people are supposedly pro life but are taking the side of a health care system that kills babies every day. Cuba has a better live birth rate than we do. Go home and play your little tea bag game in private.
sissyfist 2 years ago
What healthcare system am i agreeing to?? obamas??
yojunkzfaded 2 years ago
The current health care system, which is run by insurance companies.
sissyfist 2 years ago
thats the way it should be, Not goverment runned healthcare. name one succesful orgonization runned by the government
yojunkzfaded 2 years ago
Yeah our live birth rate puts us behind cuba...really awesome health care we have...not.
sissyfist 2 years ago
Who is "we"? This is the kind of language that makes people fear you.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
The united states...get it? Our country that is supposed to be the best in the world...that makes one exceptional merely for being born...you know that "we".
sissyfist 2 years ago
And why would you fear someone that you don't even know...you have no idea what my political point of view is, classic ignorance is a fear of the unknown, you need to stop watching mainstream news and think for yourself. "We" is a perfectly correct way to talk about the country as a whole. And you completely ignored the substance of my post. Why do you think the united states has such a pathetic live birth rate? We are supposed to be the best and brightest, remember?
sissyfist 2 years ago
It is impossible to respect the opinions of someone that would blanket the opposition with this statement - "You people are being manipulated by the insurance companies, Glenn Beck and Dick Armey. None of you have an original thought in your tiny little neo con brains."
I you want to debate, lose the MSNBC/Fox issued laguage and try the original English on for size.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
I was railing against neo cons and politicians in general long before msnbc tried their pathetic faux liberal ratings grab. Unlike most americans I actually recognize the lingering presence of Kissenger over all our foreign policy decisions, and I have every right to call out the health care system for being an absolute disgrace.
sissyfist 2 years ago
Read history for a try. After Roosevelt the first administration to attempt Universal Healthcare was Nixon's. Of which Kissenger was a part. I suppose that was not mentioned in the two page pamphlet you read on this subject.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
I was talking about Kissenger and FOREIGN POLICY, not domestic. And if you think Kissenger used any political energy trying to get healthcare for everyone, you are so insanely wrong.
sissyfist 2 years ago
You don't know what Kissenger did, as is obvious. As well, what does Kissenger have to do with this debate? Please stop living in the 60's. Vietnam is over.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
If you don't see any parallel between Iraq and Vietnam you are mistaken.
sissyfist 2 years ago
No one said anything about Iraq. I thought this was about health care. But the fact that you would believe an opponent of Government Health Care would naturally be a supporter of war against Islam is, again, telling about your thought process; Very parochial and hardly original.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
And sorry if I don't agree with your bullshit argument against any "we" when discussing America. I guess you would prefer being left to fight terrorism, poverty, and other wonders of "civilization" on your own.
sissyfist 2 years ago
You have obviously not been to my channel.
piercetaylor1 2 years ago
Damn Right I think things are just Peachy and Ill pay for the Status Quo, I will Not LET YOU LIBERALS GIVE HANDOUTS TO FUCKIN ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!
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reginaDexant 2 years ago
the most ridiculous statement ever...... thank you for affirming my belief in liberalism. really.
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JPK7777777 2 years ago
We have public schools and private schools. We're mandated to attend school! I have to pay for public no matter if my children attend or not! I have to pay if I choose to send my children to a private school plus the public! We've asked for choice but we're forced to pay for the public option!! This is ludicrous!
SgtBergin 2 years ago
you can bet these are the same 23% who thought bushie did a good job, saddam knocked down the twin towers and the earth is 6000 years old.
john stuart mill said it best 'not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative'
kennny732 2 years ago
This is sick. They accuse regular people of being part of some organization and then turn around and do the exact same thing they're accusing American people of doing. It's typical "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Don't ya just love it?
scarebear83 2 years ago
tj, they aren't hindering the debate, they are the only debate because the pablum swallowing media like CNN and MSNBC and sychophantic sheeple like yourself are all too willing to do what your god BHO want you to regurgitate. As for Bush "underfunding" you need a civics lesson...CONGRESS funds, not the prez. And since Congress was run by the demonrats like most of the last 70 years, it is truly the Demonrats that are responsible for our mess & their power grab now is the fascism Obama demands.
nomaobamakoolaid 2 years ago
So who is manufacturing the news? Obama is really saying.
"Listen to me U typical white people. You will get back in your place and sit down. U will return to being gullible & apathetic & let us meet in secret, then tell U in our best belittling and condscending voice what U will do. We the gubment R your superiors. If u don't get on board, we will release the union thugs that I community organized or the acorn goons 2 hurt u until I can fully oppress u with my smiley face fascism boy."
nomaobamakoolaid 2 years ago
I love how when the crowd is booing her loudly, she nods and smiles like they are cheering her on. These phony Statist bastards are being unmasked on a daily, even hourly basis. The People are rising up and will throw off the chains that are being fastened around our necks.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
they need to get those obozo posters at infowars . com
ne0nsurf 2 years ago
It looks like to me that protesters did not even have a seat. Those seated are obamanites only. This is disgusting that her constituents are locked out and stand in the back while union cronies were given seats and propagandas n advance. I wonder if any of those obamanites belonds to her district. Maybe they were all just bussed in from outside of her district.
OverRuledAgain 2 years ago 4
New World Order. Follow the money.
jbeatyballs 2 years ago 2
It looks to me as if those seated actually wanted to discuss the plan. Those standing, protesters, were simply there to disrupt the meeting.
tjtull 2 years ago
I love how it went from Health insurance reform to health care reform... sneaky sneaky
rachelabombdotcom 2 years ago 2
So since single payer healthcare is socialism, I'm assuming almost every eastern European country are socialists?
JayKRiot 2 years ago
damn, hadnt seen this. Now its obvious what has gone on.
Time to kick these people in the fucking pussy.
HeetXS 2 years ago
lol I can't believe these people are Americans. Sickening.
rachelabombdotcom 2 years ago
WOW!Thanks for posting.I would be amazed if she keeps her job after this.
pchdt 2 years ago
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the funny thing is that people get caught up in this liberal vs. conservative bullshit. and thats exactly what it is, BULLSHIT. if you focus only on the differences between people then thats all you will see. all this back and forth in the media is meant to distract you from realizing that people are the same here and around the world, they want to have food, shelter, someone to love and love them back, and have some fun/enjoy life. people use this their political views as way to spew hate, why?
moonsojung 2 years ago
Honest Americans had to put up with this crap for nearly 100 years with Socialist tools acting as the heavy hand of the Far Left.
Code Pink does this regularly. The only difference is they're paid to do it. It's their job to harrass. They're fascist tools.
I think it's funny that tool was a compliment of the Left. The ideological founder of the Left, Rousseau, called the people "tools for the collective." Yeah, you're a bunch of fucking tools. Real Americans don't want Government HC.
thomaserossi 2 years ago
Why are right-wingers so afraid of the message getting out. They resort to simply yelling and screaming, halting all reasonable debate. This is not reasonable public discourse, this is mob-rules thuggery. I hope all you bought and paid for thugs are happy when the insurance companies double your premiums and you can no longer afford the coverage you have. Hold on to your status-quo, you will choke on it without any competition in the market.
tjtull 2 years ago
Bought and paid for? As you watch those signs being passed out and I'm sure you've seen the people bussed in with all the matching shirts? Are you out of your mind? If this were a fair process it would be a referendum vote not this propaganda BS.
rachelabombdotcom 2 years ago
How do you call this reasonable debate? The seats were pre-filled with people who support the government takeover of healthcare - this was a staged event to sell something to the American people that they don't want. If you think a public option will increase competition you need to learn some economics and some history. History shows that when a government interferes like this, they eventually have to pass special laws, tariffs, price controls, etc. to prop their system up and end freed choice.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
...and the black helicopters are spying on you ;)
The only thing the ultra-right wing nutjob protesters were trying to accomplish was to HALT the debate and not allow discussion. That's not what Town Halls were meant form. They are meant to be a place where leaders can get together with constituents and actually discuss these issues.
tjtull 2 years ago
As I said, the seats were pre-filled with 90% plants, and you didn't answer the question - how is there debate when you try to rig the audience with people who agree with you? I've studied history for many years, and I'm going back to school to get a masters degree in economics - and I agree with these "ignorant" people. They are being dragged by a tyranny of the majority into something they believe is wrong. You also ignored my point that govt. programs stifle competition not improve it.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Who is to say they are "plants' . That's just something you made up. As I said, and you failed to read, those who were there to discuss this were seated, those who only wanted to disrupt were standing and yelling. Typical right-wing thuggary.
As far as "tyranny" goes, again, those black helicopters are circling, better watch out for them.
Tell me how introducing a plan that will cost less is going to stifle competition. Explain how you would infuse competition into this monopoly.
tjtull 2 years ago
Watch the other videos shot by other people at this same event - the ones showing SEIU supporters (in their t-shirts) being let in the side door, while other people are held back, so I didn't "make it up" - you didn't do your homework. Name one government program in the history of the world that provided good service at a lower cost. I would infuse competition by ending the tax break that corporations get to provide health plans, thereby restoring the consumer's ability to compete in the market.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
You said 90% were plants. Now you hold up as evidence ONE event where you think people are being let in through (what you THINK) is a side door. Yes, that's made up nonsense and the talk of conspiracy theorists.
One government program that IS providing better service at a lower cost to consumers IS Medicare.
As far as your supposed expertise about economics goes. There are two tenets that hold true for economics in particular. Nothing is absolute and experience trumps education any day.
tjtull 2 years ago
Yeah, don't go looking for the videos I talked about, that would require actual effort on your part and it might shine light on the dark underbelly of your coercive beliefs. A little inconvenient fact about Medicare - it will be broke in a couple years. Typical of Progressives' economic ignorance you see only the superficial effect of Medicare - a consumer gets doctors visits and scrips at a reduced cost or free, but you ignore the fact that it was funded by others who get nothing in return.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Where's the "proof" in a video you've seen on youtube? Like I said, if you search for things to support the agenda you've been fed by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, you're likely to find them.
On the Medicare going broke myth that the right love to tout. It's all part of the plan to fund it...since Bush UNDERFUNDED it, like so many other programs. Ask a senior citizen how they like Medicare, they'll say they love it. That's why the uninformed don't want "the gov'ment touching" it. It works.
tjtull 2 years ago
As far as doing my homework goes. I sure hope you do more than watch youtube videos as homework for your Masters program ;)
Homework...HA!!
Again, typical of right wingers. They watch and listen to only those things that support their already skewed views...and hold those up as proof of their slanted points, ideas, and examples of "homework".
tjtull 2 years ago
OK, show me the videos where supporters of healthcare takeover are being punched, shoved and excluded from town hall meetings.I believe in peace, freedom and prosperity. Go to a mirror, look into it, and say, "People who believe in peace, freedom and prosperity are crazy - I believe in control, violence and mob rule." This will help you come to terms with what your beliefs are really all about.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Are you serious with that? These people are out for a fight. They've been told to disrupt meetings by being unruly and "shouting down" their Congressmen. That's not my idea of people who love peace, freedom, and prosperity. It's an example of how to shut down rational debate. If they want to get into the meetings, how about not SHOUTING when constituents and Congressmen are speaking. How about waiting to be called on, as part of the overall solution instead of being a disruption to peace.
tjtull 2 years ago 3
And for the record, I don't support anyone being pushed or shoved. Just like you shouldn't support someone whose main agenda is to stop rational public discourse by disrupting a peaceful meeting. And I'm not going to say the protesters got what was coming to them. Bad actions should not be met with more bad actions. These protesters are simply hindering the debate. What are they so afraid of, that people will actually talk about the plan to reform a system that will soon bankrupt us all?
tjtull 2 years ago
You do, in fact, support pushing and shoving. By asserting a "right" to healthcare, you and your fellow supporters claim the right to force my support for a program I believe to be wrong. Furthermore, you are also claiming the right to be served by other human beings - doctors and nurses, whether they consent or not. Forcing the compliance and servitude of other human beings is a form of violence.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
You are way out there, aren't you? You do realize that even if a public option is included (looks less likely). Doctors and nurses will still be private citizens running private practices or in privately owned hospitals. Right? There is nothing ANYWHERE about the gov. taking over practices or making them "servants". This is the kind of false information and dogmatic nonsense that permeates the right!! Feeding the fear is their mantra.
I suppose you also think Obama isn't a citizen?
tjtull 2 years ago
You need to learn some history - government programs have never competed fairly with private enterprises - the government programs always end up getting special laws, tariffs, and subsidies passed and eventually the private option is pushed out or outlawed altogether. Just because they SAY the private healthcare market will remain in tact can't stop the reality of what always happens when govt. invades the free market. Look at Amtrak and the post office.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Heaven forbid we take away any profit from the money health care industry. After all health insurance should be all about profit, right? I mean what do we, as a nation, value most? Health of our citizens or profit of our corporations?
Let them continue to deny claims, as long as they are profiting; everyone's happy. Meanwhile both France and Canada have public health care and have THREE years of life expectancy over us. The US is 50th in the world, but health insurance is very lucrative.
tjtull 2 years ago
Health care is a product like any other, and the "evil" profit motive is what drives people to provide better, more efficient goods and services. The mistake you are making is assuming that the only two choices are between the government/corporate fascist partnership we have now or total government control. There is another choice - it's called "freedom" - all you have to do is look at industries where the govt, has left private enterprise alone. BTW, the health rankings aren't outcome-based.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
HA! Tell me how the market has improved health insurance. They have a monopoly in most states. Neither their service nor their prices are competitive. There is outright collusion among many of insurers, conspiring to keep premiums high and claim payments low. There is no "choice" in the current system. People that DO have health care get it from employers, they have no choice in who they buy from.
That's the entire point of having a public option; add competition to a market that has none.
tjtull 2 years ago
You don't get it - market forces haven't been operating in healthcare for 40+ years because of govt. meddling. Managed-care state monopolies exist because govt. made it ILLEGAL to purchase insurance across state lines. People have been herded into employer-based care because govt, gave tax breaks to corporations to provide health plans. A public option doesn't compete fairly because it is based on force not free choice, and because it gets to ignore market forces. I hope you wake up to reality.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
You are delusional. The monopolies exist because that's the way all insurance brokers want it. If you only have ONE place to go to get your insurance, then it makes collusion not only possible but a normal business practice. There needs to be MORE government regulation, not LESS. They need to be forced to take those with pre-existing conditions and the monopolies need to be broken up. There needs to be a low-cost alternative, a public option, to drive the cost down. The market broke this.
tjtull 2 years ago
The only way monopolies have been able to persist is when they get protection and special favors from government, and yet you blame only the corporations and not the coercive government that backs them up with the laws, courts, jails and guns. Big government and lots of regulations BENEFIT the ultra wealthy and big corporations, which is why when you dig into the history of this country, you find that the elites pushed for regulations behind the scenes while opposing them in public.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Whatever end up happening, I hope it's turns out to be good for America. After all, that should be everyone's end goal. Right?
tjtull 2 years ago
The government and the health care industry are in bed together already.
Why does the government want to change this so badly? Ask yourself that question. Is it really because they care about us? What's in it for them?
TheShipOfTheseus 2 years ago
BTW, I have government health care...thanks to my 22 years of active duty military service. So by your premise, I'm forcing YOUR to pay for MY health care (through taxes). Your premise has so many holes that there isn't enough space in the comment box to explore them all.
tjtull 2 years ago
Well when you hear us say Communist with liberals its not that far off from the Socialist they are.After all Socialism is communism's little brother.Yes there is different forms of Socialism but its all bad in my book,screw big government and you "I want every thing for free",weed smoking liberals!
TheVirabhadra 2 years ago 2
I could not have said it better. These ppl are a bunch of ignorant racist good ole boys spewing all that hate. "I am an AMERICAN" "My constitutional rights". Most of these nasty people have violated others rights. These ppl screaming Nazi and communist is the most ignorant thing that I have ever heard. We cant move forward as a nation. They rather have America fail.
Lesliegilda 2 years ago
Lesliegilda dont be mad because your president sucks and approval rating dropping by the day and he has no idea what he is doing and his wife is a rock monster,oh and im from San Francisco and the furtherist thing from a rednick!
TheVirabhadra 2 years ago 3
Look at the "Community Organizers" handing out signs. These are planted nObama Supporters. This admin. is even more corrupt than bush's was.
prokopto 2 years ago 7
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These ANIMALS were BUSED in by Insurance companies to disrupt the meetings and cause FEAR!
GOPisTheHypocrisy 2 years ago
lmao - It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of the liberal DUMBOCRATS !
fullermike2233 2 years ago
The video I made of the Ft. Lauderdale tea baggers is BETTER!
GOPisTheHypocrisy 2 years ago
To be fair to Tampa, much of the dissenters were not even from Tampa. Many carpooled from out of county.
tim12crl 2 years ago
Not too sure how fair that is. Who is to say that these "Union" people didn't car pool as well. So if both groups came from out of county... and the Obama supporters got in first, that doesn't seem to fair.
jahguy7 2 years ago
Well, the SEIU put on the event, so yeah, there probably were a few Union members there. The office that put it on were Democrats so the people that were let in those who helped set up, the Florida Consumer Action Network (cosponsors), SEIU, Childrens' Board officers (the building admin) and the sherriff.
tim12crl 2 years ago
It's obvious these people were not interested in having any kind of discussion. Then, they claim to be victims when people say they act like an angry mob.
MyFriendsLikeMe 2 years ago
I love how you assume all Republicans are racist because they dont support your president and when that happens you pull the race card,but thats nothing new being your party has profited off racial politics for a very long time!
Oh by the way im Hindu silly!
TheVirabhadra 2 years ago 3
Well, if you pull your head out of the sand then you would see that they don't like you either. How long have you been walking around in fantasy land? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Better yet disagree and see how they start calling you out of your name. They will spew RACIST slurs everytime. Has anyone told you that you are in AMERICA. hahahahahaha
Lesliegilda 2 years ago
Thugs on parade. These people must be kept out because their conduct is counter to the democratic process. Their agenda is simply to shout as loud as possible to stymie the panelists and others who do wish to debate various aspect of HC reform in a civil manner. If one cannot handle the other side's point of view, he/she does not deserve a moment of attention and must be axed.
P.S. Where are the authorities to taser Code Pink and Tea Party goons.
Kiltomet 2 years ago
You call packing the audience with 90% healthcare takeover supporters "the democratic process"? What a joke. There wasn't supposed to be any "debate" in this room and you could tell by the face of the congress critter that she wasn't prepared for the kind of reaction she got. They probably told her she would be preaching to the choir. All she knew how to do was keep rambling her practiced speech. The veil of lies is being lifted, the People are waking up.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
First, how are you sure whether 90% of the attendees are the supporter of current bill? I don't care if there are 2 or 1000 for the reform, as long as people engage in a civil discourse. But it's not what these lummoxes are after; they are there to disturb the peace. You said it yourself, 10% of crowd comprised of opposition yet their screech is the only shriek we hear in the meetings? When is this braying going to end? Everyone has a right to ask questions but respectfully and orderly.
Kiltomet 2 years ago
its called hybrid that way they can sneak in and fuck with people.
brovo262 2 years ago
is "Acorn" code word for brown people? I see no shirt with Acorn, no sign, no nothing of Acorn ... and the "union thugs" - those were plain clothes officers ... and they took their own pictures and have the names and addresses of everyone there.
SweedishCandy 2 years ago
Did you not see the SCIU SHIRT!! SCIU is Acorn Sweedishcandy Wake the hell up!!!
Xxoax 2 years ago
Xxoax since you are ignorant ... SEIU - it says SEIU
SEIU was a sponsor and the acronym stands for Service Employees International Union
Your post is EXACTLY why the media, our representatives and the world think that tea-baggers/birthers are so ignorant aka gullible. laugh is on you. thanx!
ps ACORN is spelled ACORN
SweedishCandy 2 years ago
I guess the posters here have only read the Liberty Counsel's analysis ... lol the Liberty Counsel - of Liberty College - Jerry Falwell and funded in most part by insurance lobbyists for their employers.
Sad to see how gullible my fellow citizens are. sad.
SweedishCandy 2 years ago
stupid ass liberals,always want every thing free!
TheVirabhadra 2 years ago
As for as I am concern you got some ppl that think that you want something for free. Better yet they don't even what your ass here. WAKE UP
Lesliegilda 2 years ago
So this sounds good to you all that are for this?
SEC. 242. AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL
(B) with family income below 400 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family of the size involved. 400% COME ON! SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS. `(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility. Means the government has full rights to your bank accouts. Please wake up and read this trash!
carguyinok 2 years ago
goddamn stupid rednecks.
LouieArrighi 2 years ago
I total agree a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks that can't see two feet in front of them. How could they see with all that hate they are ignorant. They are the real niggers (low down)
Lesliegilda 2 years ago
good for them. makes the lunatics hold a sign they don't want to with their fake thoughts of liberty. liberty for the rich, but the rednecks fall for it lol
LouieArrighi 2 years ago
Prime goal is to put the Federal Government ahead of the Doctors.
Doctors you will eventually be assimilated into mediocre paying unions jobs.
It is so obvious she did not expect people there had facts from the bills and she was prepared with talking point and not the factual information.
She started with this huge smile and it went away real fast.
Her only power was the amplified mic and it just about did not make it.
lonhosford 2 years ago 2
idk but this is so irritating to watch lol OMG those people are really irritating..i feel like they arnt giving her a chance at all..what kind of meeting is that
pinkipodnanochrome 2 years ago
Probably because they actually READ the bill and know she's lying to their faces about it.
The bill is available in its entirety online, and everyone I know who has actually read it is now 100% against it passing.
It is not about health, care, or reform. It is about tax money for ACORN and unions, RFID cards for everyone or they never see a doctor, and allowing the gov. to withdraw from your private bank account w/o your knowledge or consent.
Read it for yourself.
eslake 2 years ago 3
no link because it hasn't been written.
LouieArrighi 2 years ago
she didnt read the bill
1kel40b 2 years ago
Why does it always have to be Left and Right Wingers? Why can't it just be concerned American citizens because eveyone on the left is not for it and everyone on the right is not against it. I hate that this has become a Repub/Dem issue. It is so much more than that.
American FIRST!! Party Second! Divided we fall.
An IndyRepubliCrat
Traveler2112 2 years ago 4
Word
moontooth 2 years ago
all i can say is... wow
I have never seen our government and the people against each other like this my entire life
unshakendude 2 years ago 2
Obama is pushing the country towards revolution...their hopes is to establish Martial Law-
MrBiblia 2 years ago 4
sure, i can agree to that. I am seeing glimmers of an unfortunate 2nd civil war. hopefully not..... but if our politicians keep on this trail of ignoring the people, there will be problems
unshakendude 2 years ago
IT'S TIME!
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WHY OBAMA IS A NAZI!
Shocking Obama email he sent to SEIU and ACORN "Brownshirts" ordering them to Beat Up Protesters!
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Go read it and watch the town hall violence caught on tape!
I organized 30 of my friends and we are going to go to stand up for America!
NewChristianSoldiers 2 years ago 2
Watch Youtube video: The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
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MrHr1207 2 years ago 2
That's the Democrats plan.
If they can't debate us, dismiss us.
If they can't dismiss us, denounce us.
If the can't denounce us, demonize us.
outrunner33 2 years ago 6
How do you debate someone that is simply yelling? Tell me, I'd really like to know. These right-wing nut jobs don't want debate they want to shut down the discussion. Fine, they will soon learn what their support of the health insurance industry will cost them. Without meaningful reform, they will be getting far less coverage for far more money. All the while, the health insurance giants will have more of a strangle hold on this industry. They line their pockets with claim denials.
tjtull 2 years ago
What do you expect people to do when they are having something they disagree with shoved down their throats, especially when this event was rigged to begin with.
gergenheimer 2 years ago
Many of those protesters don't even know what's in the bill. They still think there are Death Panels. Half of the seniors who are there protesting are saying things like, "don't get government involved in my Medicare". These aren't people who know economics OR history. They are dolts/lemmings of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. They wouldn't know an original thought if Fox News fed it to them.
tjtull 2 years ago
Democrats don't want a discussion or a debate on health care. They want an audience that will applaud in all the right places.
PackMan97 2 years ago 4
Just like a meeting set up for Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez or rally for Red China.
Posters ,signs and propaganda.
iamavet 2 years ago 5
Amazing! How they stacked the room and passed out signs...
docweb2004 2 years ago 6
Corect me if im wrong but did I hear someone say "they're not alowed in here"? at 2:46... The sign issue was bad enough but to say the public was not alowed in is most definately a breach of our freedom of speach. THIS IS NOT GOOD YALL!
smileytrucker 2 years ago 6
I love how the room was completely stacked with Obama supporters before they seemed to be "forced" to allow the descenters in!
I have called Kathy Castor's office (Washington and Tampa) over 10 times to find out where she stands on "auditing the Fed." Each time they take my phone number and tell me they will "get back to me." I have not heard from them once!
She's another scumbag politician. I GUARANTEE you that she has not read the 1,100 page health care bill, but preaches like she has.
IPOMonsturd 2 years ago 3
awesome footage!!! The Camera is our weapon.
jcperez0426 2 years ago 3