What's funny is that even if the 9/11 commission's report is true, and accept everything the government and media has pounded into our skulls about 9/11 and Alciada in general, we're still a fool for allowing shit like the patriot act, see and tell policies, TSA, FEMA etc to take over our country and obliterate the constitution, turning one against another based on a hyped up fear of something that kills less people than bee stings, or medical mistakes. The only war is for your mind/soul.
You bastard you talking about shia murdering and put the blame to sunni not to americans but don't talk about those million of afghani whom they killed how bosnia whom they killed how about vietnamies whom they killed how about palistinians babies whom they killed you son of the bitch don't blame your white bastard criminals included you spreading false propaganda that cause sunni and shia start killing each others you must be now in Hell you bastard.
@strangerlover11 He was talking about one mass grave in one place, take your poorly worded and moronic opinions to somewhere where they have a semblance of relevance
@iseezapie One mass grave do think that there is only one mass grave on the earth have you counted in vietnam,bosnia,afghanistan,iraq and he bastard criminals helped
british and america to kill peoples and gain money.
@iseezapie what els about Hell does not exist when time come to you then you will believe as Hitchens in the hell..hahahahhaahha if I ask exactly similar question 50 years
back to some one that there billion galaxies also existed then the one we live so that person also answer me as nooooooooo other galaxies exist..hahahahhaahha
@strangerlover11 Well i can't understand what you are saying because your english is terrible, but your threats of hell aren't scary to someone who doesn't believe in hell, it would be about as scary as me threatening you with valhalla or reincarnation as a worm, it just makes you look like a sick psycho who enjoys the idea of people he doesn't agree with burning and being tortured for all eternity
@iseezapie You right for sure you will not understand when you puzzled about my questions otherwise I am not writting in arabic......hahahhahahhaha reincarnations does not exist we Muslims do not believe of those type of shit alos the shit of evolutions you really psycho of chmpinzee........hahahahhaha
@TODB0AMER Uh, no. Not lies like WMD. Why would you think that, exactly? Are you one of those people that thinks that just because the US's invasion of Iraq was done under false pretenses, Saddam must have actually been a really good and decent leader? This is why Mr Hitchens confused so many people. He did not allow conservatives OR liberals to apply double standards to any situation.
@gunterdak Is there a youtube of war criminal Phony B.Liar making that speech just after Saddam's capture saying... "400K bodies have been exhumed directly attributable to Saddam"?? even the pisspoor UK journos were forced to press him on why there had been a 1/3rd bodycount increase overnight and he had to admit he'd lied...again! I think the count at that point was 3+1/2 K. Blair/Bush/Hitchens mass graves numbers must top 1 million to zero WMD of course.
@TODB0AMER I'm sorry, what are you on about? There were mass graves in Iraq. Saddam killed a lot of people. Hithcens witnessed one being opened. This is all well documented. The fact that "Phoney B. Liar" was a idiot and exaggerated some numbers does not really mean anything. Tell me, if they faked the mas graves, why did they not bother to plant some WMD? Cut the conspiracy shit and get with the program. There are a lot of lies surrounding the Iraq war. This ain't one.
@gunterdak Don't you get it son? BLIAR shot any serious plot to plant faked Iraqi WMD in the foot when he said they were "45 minute operational WMD"!! HOW could you conceal 45 minute operational WMD? they'd have to have fresh faked maintenance documents and be fully staffed when found not to mention a massive paper trail and be forensicated properly (though saying that 9/11 was NEVER properly forensicated was it?).
@TODB0AMER Uh huh. Calling someone who is older than you "son." Using caps lock for emphasis. Employing made up words like "forensicated." You are the backbone of internet intellectualism, aren't you, skippy! I have better things to do than listen to a conspiracy nut piss on the graves of both Mr Hitchens and thousands of Iraqis. By the way, 9/11 had the shit "forensicated" out of it. Just because the results do not match your exciting pet theories does not make them false.
@gunterdak 9/11" had the shit forensicated out of it" but the word does not exist son? the (snigger) 9/11 commission was convened after much kicking and screaming to prevent it 440 days late and had 1/10th the $ funding spent forcing Willy Cliton to come clean over Monica!! Hitch smoked and drunk himself to death out of guilt being very much a party to the Bush/Bliar 1 Million dead meat Iraq mass grave.You are not the first OCT blindfaither to say my UPPER CASE use helps Johnny Terrorist son LOL
@TODB0AMER I used "forensicated" there (notice the quotes) ironically, to make fun of you, grandpa. I guess It does not surprise me that you do not really understand sarcasm, based on that tedious drivel you just wrote. ("Willy Clinton?" ugh!) It is a made up word. I assume you picked it up from watching police TV shows, but if you consult your dictionary (big book with alphabetized words/definitions, you may find it is missing. (Also "Johny Terrorist?" Imagine me rolling my eyes)
@gunterdak blahdeblahdebalh!,typical shillboy MO son!! go on and on about commonly used and understood words (language evolves sonny, you are soo green!) that the dictionary bods are not ofey to yet BUT totally ignore the argument to which you have NO counter-argument (did you get '...come clean over Monica'? :))
@TODB0AMER I'm not sure what argument I can make, old timer. Your posts are so obnoxiously facetious its hard for me to piece together a coherent set of ideas from them. It appears that you believe that there is a conspiracy behind 9/11, and that Saddam Hussein never killed anyone. I am sure this is an oversimplification, but that is hard to avoid when dealing with a simpleton. Ok, methuselah? By the way, I'll give you a bit of credit for the Monica thing, though I doubt its really yours.
@gunterdak let me try and help you young-un'...I said Bliar in a speech after Saddam's capture claimed 400K bodies had been exhumed from verified Saddam mass graves when the official count was 3&1/2K and that we'd been lied to over the 45minute Iraqi WMD YOU countered 'why didn't they fake the WMD? if 9/11 was a scam?' I then put you right about the practical impossibilities in faking 45min' WMD and commensurate forensic evidence adding 9/11 was never "forensicated".(what about"Clit-on"?)
@TODB0AMER Do you remember how this all started, OAP? You asserted that Hitchens is lying about witnessing a mass grave being opened, and seemed to imply that just because your PM made an absurd over exaggeration about how many, that there may not be any at all. If you now admit that mass murder did take place in Iraq, why would you suspect Hitchens of lying here? By the way i did not notice "clit-on" but seeing it now I do not find it that funny. Its rather crude and desperate.
@TODB0AMER One more thing, pappy. Before I get into any of the other issues, I want to make sure I have not misinterpreted you. Do you or do you not believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the United States government?
@gunterdak a clit-on voter? don't cream yourself!! (like Willy)every joke has its time I suppose, it's all about timing! Proponents of the 2003 Iraq invasion and occupation are liars and therefore unreliable witnesses, that is why I asked if Hitch's plummy verbiage here is more lies. I believe everything is mathematics and like God the official 9/11 story does NOT (sorry for shouting) ADD UP/COMPUTE AND THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN IS FLAWED! Are you an official 9/11 story blindfaither?
@TODB0AMER There are dozens of elements in the official story that at a first glance appear suspicious. Of course they continue to appear suspicious at second glance when you are looking at them with the strained logic of someone like Dylan Avery, but when you look at the testimony of actual independent experts, most of it actually does "add up". So no, I am not a "blindfaither." I have come to my own conclusion about 9/11. Question everything (the government AND the internet!)
@TODB0AMER as for the war in Iraq, I have never been a supporter of it but I have always sympathized with why Hitchens was. As a liberal, Hitchens supported the deposition of a mass murdering fascist. The fact that our motives in doing so were corrupt and our leaders lied to us does not change what Saddam was or that we took him out of power. People who try to downplay Saddam's behavior are no better than Holocaust deniers as far as I am concerned. We clear now, Großvater?
@TODB0AMER oh I forgot to mention: I find it odd that you believe that the same people who would have pulled off 9/11 (planting thousands of pounds of explosives in a crowded office building without anyone knowing, kidnapping 4 commercial airliners, staging a massive war game as a distraction, swearing hundreds of people to life long silence etc) would be daunted by the task of forging the paperwork for some Iraqi chemical bombs just because Phoney Blair said there were 45 of them.
@gunterdak T-OUCH-E! I'm out of my depth here allright! knocking down three buildings and 'crashing four planes in your own country is a pretty big job AND coincidences DO happen BIG ONES! The Gulf War I 'incubator baby killings' and 'Iraqi tanks massing on Saudi border' were pretty easily dismissed as fakes AND conspiracies.Should I invest in WTC7 style office fire controlled demolition? more cost effective than the (LOL)9/11 independent commission! Bliar said the WMD were 45minute READY
@TODB0AMER "knocking down three buildings and 'crashing four planes in your own country is a pretty big job AND coincidences DO happen BIG ONES!" Is that supposed to be a sarcastic statement? Because both parts of it are completely true. I think you may be suffering under what is called the myth of the hyper-competent government. Hell I wish the government was as clever as that. Maybe the Iraq war would not have been such a fucking disaster.
@TODB0AMER most real conspiracies are small and simple, like your baby killings, tank movements, the Gulf of Tonkin, etc. They are cynical quick fix political stunts and everyone eventually finds out they were bullshit after a while, but by then its to late for anyone to give a shit. The only conspiracy around 9/11 was the fact that we were told that Iraq was partially to blame. The lack of an effective investigation is if anything another example of incompetence.
@gunterdak So you admit that conspiracies/government covert operations DO happen? just one day before the 2 million person anti Iraq war march London Feb2003 Bliar had Heathrow airport circled with army tanks to counter a "terrorist alert" another coincidence or a conspiracy? I hazard a guess-- hmmm?....CONSPIRACY! My point is all those thousands of army personnel were involuntarily part of that suspected theoretical conspiracy.
@TODB0AMER No fucking shit there are conspiracies! All forms of authority, government, business, your school, my mother, all of them lie and manipulate. Do you think that's profound? What you do not get is how little effort is needed to deceive us. No one would have staged something as big as 9/11 because there was no need. If it had not happened, they would have come up with some other lame pretense to do what they wanted. They just took advantage of something real this time.
@gunterdak you can't say "real" 9/11 evidence has been illegally destroyed or made classified, somehow us seeing it, like the salvaged plane parts, is a threat to US national security.All you have is BLIND FAITH admit it!
@TODB0AMER Wow. Have you been taking the piss the whole time? Are you just a troll and your starting to drop hints, ore is real time rhetoric just getting too tiring for you? I've been sparring with you for a week now. You can do better than that.
@gunterdak Do you know and can you prove the 9/11 truth? Are you going to share it with us? (careful selected witnesses to the 9/11 truth are now DEAD!)
@TODB0AMER Who is dead? What are their names? What would they have said if they survived? Where did you hear about them? If the answer is "that guy from Loose Change who heard explosions by building 7 then had a heart attack" please go back to school. I do not have to prove that your ill constructed theories are false. You have to prove that they are true. So go ahead. The proof that planes brought down the towers is in the tens of thousands of other witnesses who saw it happen.
@TODB0AMER I told you my definitive truth. I guess you were not paying attention. The truth is that thousands saw the planes hit, the buildings collapsed as a result, and the overwhelming majority of structural engineers and experts agree that's all there is to it. The fact that a tiny minority believe that there is something else going on should not convince a rational person of anything. A tiny minority of scientists still believe that global warming is a hoax.
@gunterdak (con'2)... anomalies include alleged flight 175 photographed NOT having regular Boeing 767 underside, the pre impact flash consistent with DU tipped missiles, no 20ft diameter exit hole consistent with object of F175's dimensions and trajectory exiting the south tower visible in that side of WTC2, the impact silhouette of alleged flight11 forming six seconds post impact in unmarked north tower fascia, no WTC alleged plane black box recovered and no salvaged 911 plane part ever (con')
@gunterdak (con'3)...verified, this evidence made classified and somehow us seeing it a threat to US national security!?! seismic readings for all three tower collapses not consistent with those tonnages falling at those velocities and 220X 1 acre floors of steel and concrete producing an appx' knee high rubble pile! Can you give me the name of one of one of the "majority of scientists" who buy the official 9/11 story so I can challenge him/her with this data? organ grinders not monkeys I say!
@gunterdak lots of "witnesses " saw many contradictory things! there was 'Harley T-shirt man" doing a vox pop that resembled (and likely was) an infomercial for the official BS and, of course, GWBush (el pretzeldente) even saw flight 11 hit the north tower on a monitor before going into the classroom to read a book entitled 'My Pet Goat' , this wasn't seen on TV until the following day but he's never retracted this dubious claim has he?.I've yet had it explained to me how a plastic tipped(con')
@gunterdak (con')... thin aluminium craft can pass through 1 acre of steel and concrete (at questionable for sea level speeds) as if passing through air,zero deceleration no pieces breaking off at impact and leaving no evidence in the impact holes. (this was true for all 4" 9/11 plane" impact holes) Equally odd, alleged flight 175 was filmed from several angles nosecone and fuselage exiting the south tower intact, even you can't dispute the physical impossibility of this occurring. Other..(con)
@TODB0AMER you conspiracy types are always calling people "sheep." Do you really believe it takes that much of an impressive display to get sheep to follow you? sheesh.....
@gunterdak The 'incubator baby killings' had a string of "witnesses" who swore under oath at an enquiry into the alleged crime and the President of the good ol US of A looked the American people in the eye on TV to inform and educate them about what turned out to be a lie. 9/11 is a lie! wise up المني بابي!
@TODB0AMER how many witnesses? and now we all know its a lie. See how good the government is at keeping secrets. Not that it was their secret anyway. Now compare the scale and extent of that "conspiracy" to your proposed theory on 9/11 and tell me if you really think you've proved anything to me. btw piss off with the arabic. copy and paste does not make you clever or educated.
Im having a drink. Another one of the t*rds who advocated bombing 1.2 million Iraqis to death, finally got what was coming to him. I hope he suffered as much as the thousands of Iraqi babies with depleted uranium deformities are suffering right now!
Hmmm,..the US didnt step in to stop Rhuanda, or Edie Amein, or any other mass murdering Dictators,...why did we 'care' so much about this guy and his undocumented mass graves? Why didnt the people seem to show gratitude for being 'freed' from this monster? How come when military dictatorships benefit us they are our honored guests at the White House but when they have nothing but good natural resources then we need to go to war with them? Lots of questions,...not alot of answers just propeganda
ok the london bombings? at the exact same time they were doing a terrorist excersise, at the exact locations at the exact time a "real" terrorist attack took place.
the chances of this are above a trillion or more to 1.
yeah companies like GE, they pay how much in tax? Also do you know much about the history of corporations? Their gains? How about the employment, look if your employees are from another country, then move your corporate headquarters there. dont pretend to be american. just because the ceos are millionaires doesnt mean they are an american company.
im gladd saddam is gone, now american corporations who pay no taxes can continue to get no bid contracts to rebuild a country from a war that was a lie.
thank god for blessing the USA with the firepower to turn bodies into red lakes. ahmen. praise the lord, and jesus and baby jesus, and the first and second comming of christ. amen.
@gyco7 Large corporations aren't stupid. Because the U.S. has such a high corporate tax rate compared to other countries it only makes sense for them to put their costs here in the U.S. and put their gains oversees in lower tax countries.
I like how your comment contained virtually no grammar, as well as innumerable spelling errors. Sort of backs up my original thought; which was that you're a fatuous buffoon. Not only this, but you didn't even attempt to formulate any sort of argument..
Your entire 'argument', rather crudely put is 'Well..people died, thus the War was bad!'.
You're obviously unfamiliar with how many innocents died at the hands of Hussein's goons. Honestly, did you even fucking watch this video?
Do Hitchens' words mean nothing to you? They certainly don't appear to, considering you didn't even mention them; or their subject matter - namely how Hussein's regime murdered 450,000 adults and 50,000 children. Want to talk about 'Red lakes' now?
Because I'm pretty damn sure the US/UK/Polish/Australian troops didn't force families to watch their daughters being raped while they were forced to applaud.
@BelfastAtheist The amount of civilians that the u.s and Co have killed dwarfs anything that saddam did with the weapons we supplied him. Dont forget that asshole
@sampsonitelodge good point. Saddam was a cunt but bush, obama, blair, cameron are much bigger cunts than. More than half a million children have been killed since this illegal irrelevant war began
The highest Casualty rate I've read (Lancet Survey) was 601,000 deaths. Every other respectable source puts it closer to around 100,000.
That's a lot you might say, but what about: The 50,000 who died in Hussein's genocide of Kurdistan, the 35,000 people who died in the Kuwait War and of course, the 1.5-2 Million people that died in the Iraq-Iran War.
You're really going to try and say we killed more people than Hussein, are you?
I was being generous to you there, mind. I didn't even bother to count the 500,000 Iraqi Citizens that Hussein murdered while in power.
All together, these numbers leave us with around; 2,553,500 (Over Two and half MILLION people) as well as the (minimum) of 100,000 who died in the Iraq War itself; which Hussein practically begged us for with his repeated insults to International Law, especially the Geneva Convention.
LOL...covered in slime...12 hours away from a shower. And got dead people all over you, wow your crouch must have smelled hitchens haha. I can see it before me, the fat pink redish englisman almost crying because of the condition of his body xD
"And it has a leader — Saddam Hussain — who has sprung from being an underground revolutionary gunman to perhaps the first visionary Arab statesman since Nasser."
Osama Bin Ladem attacked the US because of the US Federal State occupying the Arabian Peninsula and funding Israel, not because of jihadism/islamism.
I suspect you would as well if forced to remember such a horrific event, either for emotional reasons, assuming you are some sort of decent person, or if you are not then for purely physiological reasons. It is well known that memory and scent are linked, it is quite possible that while recalling the exhumation of a mass grave in 100+ degree heat you might recall the smell, which i promise you would be enough to make even Hitler's eyes water.
Well, all his life he says that he's tried to fight for and support secular, liberal democracies. Kurdistan largely fits this description, even though they didn't get their own state. He's said he is a friend of the Kurds, and sympathizes with their struggle against dictatorship and tyranny... especially after the numerous Al Anfal-esque attacks on the Kurds. I can't exactly recall, but I think he'd hoped for self-determination after Saddam fell.
@krm6886 I cannot think of a more intolerant, oppressive and dangerous society than a potential Kurdish independant state. Regardless of their treatment under Saddam, everyone suffered under that regime. Kurds are responsible for numerous crimes against humanity, including prevalent honour killings, terrorism and religious extremism. Hitchens' support of Kurdistan must be purely emotional.
It's important to distinguish between the PKK & Iraq's semi-autonomous district. True, the border is more porous than it ought to be & I've seen atrocities and terrorist acts perpetrated in that area. But I've seen nothing to support your characterizations of Iraqi Kurds. Further, your imagination seems limited if the Kurds are the worst you can conjure... we're fighting several worse regimes around the world. Finally, you'd be hard-pressed to find him making emotional arguments.
@krm6886 PKK is the militant group fighting for kurdish state, they cannot be ignored. Kurds are responsible for most honour killings where-ever they are found. This is not an emotional arguements at all, a kurdish society would not be something I would personally see as a good thing for anyone. What the kurdish people claim to want and what the kurdish people will inevitable create are very different. If hitchens wants to represent liberalism and secularism then he should wear his own flag.
I don't think it's fair to equate them on ethnicity or goals alone. It'd be like indicting all Muslims as terrorists because a subset of them use it to advance their goals. The Iraqi Kurds, as far as I can tell, are very different than the PKK. They certainly dont defend them publicly.
I am categorically against honor-killings, stoning, etc. But, if I may ask, do you have personal experience/knowledge of Iraqi Kurds that leads you to your conclusions? Or sources, please?
@krm6886 I lived in a kurdish area of Turkey for 6 years. It may be true that not all muslims are terrorists, but the terrorism and extremism we see today are certainly tools of meeting the agenda of the religion, that doesn't make all muslims evil but it is enough for me to be wary of their presence right? The same for kurds, I have kurdish friends but I know their beliefs are very dangerous.
Interesting. Do you think the PKK is representative of all Kurds, though? And I can agree that being wary around possibly dangerous people, especially given your experience, is warranted. You wont find me trying to court dangerous fundamentalists of any sort.
As for Kurdish Iraq, I dont understand how Hitchens could find himself so off-target... he knows and understands the threat of the "parties of god" to civilization. I'll have to do some research...
@krm6886 Well the PKK is a Communist organisation and not the only group intent on creating a separate Kurdish state, Hitchens is wearing the kurdish flag not the PKK flag. PKK however is the most prominent group and its socialist ideology appeals to the less educated and wealthy kurds. A kurdish state in any form would damage the progress kurds will face as part of any country their territory covers.
the memories of the holocaust in Iraq will last a thousand years. the die was cast. the main strategic beneficiary is Israel. The tactical beneficiary is Iran and the USA.
Hulegu of the Mongol hords did the same thing, maybe a little less, but the Arabs still remember with "fondness" those dark days.
Those who commit crimes delude themselves into thinking that the victim moved on and forgot about it. the time for accountablity is set by the victim when the perpetrator least expects it.
the heads of Cosa Nostras never carry out killings with their own hands, they are responsible though for the action of those under their command.
Do you think that Hitler or the Germans in Hungary were killing the Jews by themselves? they were doing it through their Hungarian government and militias. but Hungary was under the control of the Nazis and therefore, the Nazis were responsible for these atrocities.
Remember very well the first holocaust of the 21st century: the holocaust of the Sunni Arabs in Iraq.
It is not going to stop there as the plan for the destruction of the ME is underway with the help of Iran. This is the reason for the ultra weak American attitude toward Iran since Iran-Contra scandal.
Alqaida never attacks in Iran, India or Israel or in any place under their protection. it is a front.
An example is Bangladesh, 100 million muslims, who is under the Indian protection.
Saddam was a scumbag but he was also a stabilizing force against religious fundamentalism in Iraq. I would've supported the invasion of Iran instead 100%.
im glad saddam is gone he was one of the greatest war criminals of the 20th century. however this seems to be the only good thing in what has been a furnace of shit
@currentslacker yeah im glad we killed sadam to, because we did sell him the gas he killed the kurds with. and it also gives us more reason to invade iran. you chicken hawk military fuckers really dont care about killing people in the name of your fake god jesus? horus? take your bible and your fake traditions and go on to jesus land and leave us a lone.
Add to that 5 million refugees (mostly Sunnis) and you get the first holocaust of the 21st century based on religious hatred. The amazing thing that once I say that somebody would say that this is unlikely because the Sunnis were only 20% of the population, which is the lie that presaged the holocaust.
As for the estimate, do you want me to quote the people who brought us the WMD story?
Iran took the bait and took part in the holocaust in Iraq based on its own narrow national interest.
You want to see mass graves? Go to Iraq now and see the mass graves of 2 millions Irqis viciously killed by the occupation powers and their radical death squad allies currently in power,
Calling BS on your claim. Who claims that two million Iraqis were killed? What credible institution put forward that number.
Also killed by the occupation powers my ass. The hateful religious extremest killed the vast majority of Iraqis in their bid to terrorize the population into abandoning a pluralistic government.
You such a bull shit artist it is almost unfathomable.
Credible Institution? LIke the CIA who came up with the eternal WMD scam?
I guess you should forget about this "credible institution" and rely on empirical accounts and eye witness accouts. Who dare ask for a count of the dead?
Those hateful extremist came with the occupation and were financed by it. Look at a phote of GWB with the head of Badr Organization, the leader in death squad activities. As for Alqaida, it is a front of the activities of Iran and the USA, period.
Remember what Rumsfield said about counting the dead?
Insurgent actions attacking the USA was not backed by the USA. Al-qaida who started blowing up the innocent to scare the not- so- innocent even though rightful were double agents doing the work of IRan and the USA in Iraq.
Saddam Fedayeen disappeared with their shiite members joining the Governement of Shiite-Rouge in Iraq.
Alqaida does not attack in Iran, Israel, India. Why...Why...Why? Just give me an answer.
I disagree with on several points, the Fedayeen whabi links are well established. What started broke into several fractions.
Al Qeada isn't one entity that has a definite structure. There is whabi inspired volence in Iran Israel and India, they don't call them selves AQ.
AQ Iraq had the goal of Iraq until they were distroyed, they don't have the resources or the ability to win over competing fractions to launch operations in those nations.
As for Iran supporting the death squads, certainly, and it did not bother the Americans a bit who where shaking hands as the photos show with the leaders of the death squads.
the Shiite-Rouge regime in Iraq today is a thousand times worse than that of Saddam Hussain.
Here is one nugget of information for you:
UBL's mother AND wife are Shiite. UBL's phylosophy is Kharijite, an extinct Islamic terror group revived by the West and nurtured by IRan.
UBL's mother and wife are Shiite. the media did not want to point to this as the goal was to demonize the Sunnis.
UBL's connection to Iran is Ayman Zawahiri who is a Kharijite. there was a Kharijite group called Takfir and Hijra which started in Egypt in the seventies. they killed the Minister of Islamic Endowment in Egypt and were all arrested. among them was Ayman Alzawahiri who also had a part in the assassination of Anwar Sadat, Egypt's president. Continue
Ayman Alzawahiri was misteriously released to pursue the life of a terrorist for hire. Iran is the only country free from the pressure of the United States as far as terrorism is concerned. It is the fountainhead of terrorism and got away with murder in the eighties, thanks in no small part to the USA and Reagan in particular. Yet the USA went on establishing secret relations with Iran that was partly exposed in the Iran-Contra.
The same Iran Contra figures ran the USA since Bush Jr. Cont.
Al-Qaida does not have a definite structure? What does that mean?
bottom line: Alqaida does not attack in Iran, India or Israel or any country under their protection.
Example in point: Bangladesh.
The funny thing is that Al-qaida attacks Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen which are countries that neither the USA, India, Israel nor Iran is happy with. In Yemen, Alqaida raised its ugly head only when the attack on the Shiite Huthis intensified. The USA, supporting the Huthis like Iran was angry.
The USA was angry as the Huthis were about to be wiped out and asked Yemen to concentrate on Al-qaida after the Iranian supported Alqaida threatened attacks.
Look I am no politician, but I have eyes to see and brain to analyze.
Al-qaida with no definite structure is another word for Al-qaida under the control of intelligence services.
It is a code name for terror attacks staged by Intelligence services of major countries claiming to be fighting terrorism. This includes Iran.
I pray that your country has peace. many many good people lost. I want to believe Arabs don't need a strong man to push them around. Please do everything to ensure your country becomes what it has the potential to be
My country has a great potential. We all know it. You cab read the National Intelligence Estimates of the 70s about Iraq and see what the CIA thought of the development.
However, it's very hard now. Most of our people are uneducated and follow clerics blindly. The upper and upper-middle classes have fled the country including the intelligentsia and most professionals.
And by the time the US withdraws Iraq will be a colony of Iran.
What is the US doing about the famine and the blood diamonds in Africa? What are they doing about the mass murdering of the Chechnyans? The Uyghurs? The thousands of cases which demand urgent intervention? Don't even mention the word "morality." What a load of brainwashed sorry sheep you are.
you can't tell the U.S to mind their business and then demand to know their involvement in the African atrocities. The problem with the foreign policy of the United States is that when we intervene, we're called imperialists, and when we don't we're called cowards. You asked who assigned us the role of World Police Force. The answer is in the question: the world.
The United States and the rest of the Imperialist countries have surely brought peace and stability to Iraq. I mean now that the weapons of mass destruction have been detected and neutralized, Saddam given a fair trial and executed and the oil safely pumped into the wells of the big majors, everything is going smooth. The US/UK/Canada/the rest can now carry out their original plan, which is to build hospitals and schools.
The fact that many thousands of civilians have, without question, died in the 2003 invasion and subsequent activity does not diminish the fact that at least 2 million people died under Saddam's thumb. Your railing against the former doesn't dismiss his point.
There are so many good arguments for your (and my) position; don't stoop to making bad ones.
And if you'd watched any of his other videos you'd know he's opposed to torture and extraordinary rendition.
And as heartless as it sounds, there is a difference between civilian casualties during war and intentional murder of your own people. International law recognizes the difference, but apparently some people do not.
I'm willing to grant him the fact that we've killed or caused to be killed, a lot of people in Iraq. But to your point, this is just the sort of critic who laments afterward why we didn't do more in Rwanda or Somalia once the graves are covered with grass again.
Bush's justifications for war were shit. That -doesn't- mean there weren't morally justified reasons for intervening.
Religious Persecution still happens in Iraq, even more so after the US invasion.
Ethnic cleasning is happening in Palestine right now but America does nothing but bail out Israel.
First of all, I wouldn't of given Saddam the WMDs to commit the atrocities in the first place. Infact I would of never tried to destablise the middle east at all by over throwing Mosedec and funding terror.
I'm not even going answer the last question, it has nothing to do with the current conflict.
Are you so naive as to believe the Iraqi people knew about what Saddam was doing? Or were allowed to express an opinion about it? There wasn't much opposition to Saddam hussein because he had any opponents executed. The wars and sanctions could have been avoided at once if Saddam hussein had relinquished power and held democratic elections. The fact that he never managed to obtain nuclear weapons after he was found to be seeking them, is a testimony to the success of western policy.
It wouldn't of mattered who was in charge of Iraq whether it was a democratically elected leader or a dictator because Iraq was going to be attacked anyway, same with Afghanistan.
Iran had a democratically elected government decades ago, did that stop western powers from interfering?
Nope.
If you really think the invasion of Iraq was to simply hold 'democratic elections' then your the one who is naive.
Your comments are like a breath of fresh air in the midst of all these brainwashed people. I guess it is the latest fashion to respect and agree with scum like Hitchens and his like.
An example: If the US is so moral, why is it giving billions to the Zionist State to wipe out the Palestinians? Last time I checked, in the latest attack on Gaza the victims were mainly women and children. I just don't know where to start if I were to write down all of the US contribution to the world.
since we know that palestinians havent killed women and children themselves.
And he condemns the settlements in other speeches as an example of religion "poisining everything" in other youtube videos. In case facts are important among you non-brainwashed folks.
Religion doesn't poison everything. The people who appropriate religion to their greed and obsession with power poison everything. And please don't repeat what other uneducated people tell me about how the Qur'an calls for violence, because it doesn't. It calls for self-defense. People take verses out of context. See what Chris Hedges has to say about Hitchens and his neo-atheistic like.
Many of the people who take verses out of context consider themselves more pious Muslims then you yourself. You want to be a Muslim fine, I love the fact that you are humbled before God, I feel that is the way man is supposed to be. I am not going to be told I am ignorant for knowing that a sizable population of Muslims sees me fit for slaughter. Its your problem as a moderate Muslim, and its not my fault members of your faith misinterpret the beheading Banu Qurayza
First of all refrain from throwing around words like "Banu Qurayza" because that shows an ignorance as to what the historical factors were. Research it in a non-biased resource. If you are serious about this I can message you a lot of resources. Second of all, unless you actively participate in massacring, invading and driving Muslims out of their homes, you are safe. It is not up to Muslims to decide these things because it is Allah's order in the Qur'an (see for example ch. 80, verses 8,9).
let me ask you, if Islam completely vanished from peoples belief systems in the middle east tomorrow, would the place become less violent or more? Would we see an increase in suicide bombings and public torture, or a decrease? Why or why not?
First of all, Islam will NEVER EVER vanish from people's beliefs. This is just what the true enemy wishes would happen. Let them keep on dreaming.
Second of all, your question is horribly oversimplifying things but I will address it for the sake of argument. Who is causing all the violence in the world? Who was the one who caused the deaths of a million Iraqis and some 5,000 Americans in the name of "freedom", "liberation" and neutralizing the non-existent "weapons of mass-destruction"?
If you bothered to think about what I wrote then you wouldn't ask this ignorant question yet again. Your question was to know whether violence would disappear if Islam were to "vanish from people's belief systems in the middle east tomorrow".
I demonstrated how Islam is DEFENDING itself against the attacks. If you couldn't see that in 3 posts then I can't help you.
As to your question about whether suicide bombings/public torture would decrease:
Kindly clarify what you mean by "public torture".
As to what you call "suicide bombings", if you expect that mindless hatred and barbaric violence are greeted with a smile, then you misunderstand basic human nature as well as Muslims.
Anyway if you couldn't pick up the answer on your own, it is NO. Violence will always persist in a world where the greedy and the corrupt only want more and more.
public torture = torturing people in public, use your fucking imagination.
do you think young women in the middle east would still be stoned to death for not being virgins on their wedding nights if islam dissapeared?
and im glad you agree with me that muslims become suicidal when the feel invaded, after all, there have been many oppressed people in the world, not all of them have thought to strap bombs to their chests, its ISLAM which encourages people to behave that way.
I didn't agree with you on anything you pathetic fool, you just hear what you want to hear. Mark my words: I pray that all of you who condone the spreading of oppression in the world and fight the truth, as well as those you worship and emulate will all lead a life of sorrow, distress and grief.
On another note, I can see how popular you are judging by the comments on your channel. Says a lot about who you are and the way you engage in discussions.
Who do you think profited the most from 9/11? I can assure you it was not the Muslims. No Muslim is with 9/11, not even fundamental Muslims, and anyone who condones it is a US mercenary because he is going against Islam. We are already killed and slaughtered all around the world (Iraq, Afghanistan, Occupied Palestine, Darfur, the Uyghurs, Kosovo, ...). What are the US-backed Zionists doing to the people in Gaza?
Have you seen pictures and clips of the last war on Gaza? Is the man who fights to defend his faith, his land, his family from such mindless barbarism a terrorist? Is the Iraqi who defends himself against US mercenaries posing as Iraqis a terrorist? And at the same time, are warmongers and militant atheists who STILL condone the Iraqi war (like Hitchens) peace-makers? What a deluded world this is if it believes the answer is yes.
Thirdly, people are waking up to the fact that the US government is covering up the events of 9-11 and even the victims' families are calling for a re-investigation. Muslims are being slaughtered everywhere: Uyghur, Kosovo, Somalia, Darfur, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, ... and people don't want us to defend ourselves? I don't have a problem with peaceful people whatever their religion (or lack of) is, and neither do "fundamental" Muslims. Read some Noam Chomsky and Edward Said (non-Muslims).
wait a minute, are you a 9/11 conspiracy nut? do you deny the holocaust ever happened? are you one of those who thinks the london bombings were orchestrated by the government?
have a nice paranoid life moron, there is no point conversing with fringe loonies like you.
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What's funny is that even if the 9/11 commission's report is true, and accept everything the government and media has pounded into our skulls about 9/11 and Alciada in general, we're still a fool for allowing shit like the patriot act, see and tell policies, TSA, FEMA etc to take over our country and obliterate the constitution, turning one against another based on a hyped up fear of something that kills less people than bee stings, or medical mistakes. The only war is for your mind/soul.
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
You bastard you talking about shia murdering and put the blame to sunni not to americans but don't talk about those million of afghani whom they killed how bosnia whom they killed how about vietnamies whom they killed how about palistinians babies whom they killed you son of the bitch don't blame your white bastard criminals included you spreading false propaganda that cause sunni and shia start killing each others you must be now in Hell you bastard.
strangerlover11 2 months ago
@strangerlover11 He was talking about one mass grave in one place, take your poorly worded and moronic opinions to somewhere where they have a semblance of relevance
iseezapie 2 months ago
@iseezapie One mass grave do think that there is only one mass grave on the earth have you counted in vietnam,bosnia,afghanistan,iraq and he bastard criminals helped
british and america to kill peoples and gain money.
And he will be now in hell for sure.
strangerlover11 2 months ago
@strangerlover11 First off, i didn't say there was only mass grave on earth, i said he was only talking about one, and second, hell doesn't exist.
iseezapie 2 months ago
@iseezapie what els about Hell does not exist when time come to you then you will believe as Hitchens in the hell..hahahahhaahha if I ask exactly similar question 50 years
back to some one that there billion galaxies also existed then the one we live so that person also answer me as nooooooooo other galaxies exist..hahahahhaahha
strangerlover11 2 months ago
@strangerlover11 Well i can't understand what you are saying because your english is terrible, but your threats of hell aren't scary to someone who doesn't believe in hell, it would be about as scary as me threatening you with valhalla or reincarnation as a worm, it just makes you look like a sick psycho who enjoys the idea of people he doesn't agree with burning and being tortured for all eternity
iseezapie 2 months ago
@iseezapie You right for sure you will not understand when you puzzled about my questions otherwise I am not writting in arabic......hahahhahahhaha reincarnations does not exist we Muslims do not believe of those type of shit alos the shit of evolutions you really psycho of chmpinzee........hahahahhaha
strangerlover11 2 months ago
@strangerlover11 Once again, i cannot understand what you are trying to say, speak coherent english or don't try to speak english
iseezapie 2 months ago
MORE LIES LIKE THE WMD's?
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER Uh, no. Not lies like WMD. Why would you think that, exactly? Are you one of those people that thinks that just because the US's invasion of Iraq was done under false pretenses, Saddam must have actually been a really good and decent leader? This is why Mr Hitchens confused so many people. He did not allow conservatives OR liberals to apply double standards to any situation.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak Is there a youtube of war criminal Phony B.Liar making that speech just after Saddam's capture saying... "400K bodies have been exhumed directly attributable to Saddam"?? even the pisspoor UK journos were forced to press him on why there had been a 1/3rd bodycount increase overnight and he had to admit he'd lied...again! I think the count at that point was 3+1/2 K. Blair/Bush/Hitchens mass graves numbers must top 1 million to zero WMD of course.
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER I'm sorry, what are you on about? There were mass graves in Iraq. Saddam killed a lot of people. Hithcens witnessed one being opened. This is all well documented. The fact that "Phoney B. Liar" was a idiot and exaggerated some numbers does not really mean anything. Tell me, if they faked the mas graves, why did they not bother to plant some WMD? Cut the conspiracy shit and get with the program. There are a lot of lies surrounding the Iraq war. This ain't one.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak Don't you get it son? BLIAR shot any serious plot to plant faked Iraqi WMD in the foot when he said they were "45 minute operational WMD"!! HOW could you conceal 45 minute operational WMD? they'd have to have fresh faked maintenance documents and be fully staffed when found not to mention a massive paper trail and be forensicated properly (though saying that 9/11 was NEVER properly forensicated was it?).
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER Uh huh. Calling someone who is older than you "son." Using caps lock for emphasis. Employing made up words like "forensicated." You are the backbone of internet intellectualism, aren't you, skippy! I have better things to do than listen to a conspiracy nut piss on the graves of both Mr Hitchens and thousands of Iraqis. By the way, 9/11 had the shit "forensicated" out of it. Just because the results do not match your exciting pet theories does not make them false.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak 9/11" had the shit forensicated out of it" but the word does not exist son? the (snigger) 9/11 commission was convened after much kicking and screaming to prevent it 440 days late and had 1/10th the $ funding spent forcing Willy Cliton to come clean over Monica!! Hitch smoked and drunk himself to death out of guilt being very much a party to the Bush/Bliar 1 Million dead meat Iraq mass grave.You are not the first OCT blindfaither to say my UPPER CASE use helps Johnny Terrorist son LOL
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER I used "forensicated" there (notice the quotes) ironically, to make fun of you, grandpa. I guess It does not surprise me that you do not really understand sarcasm, based on that tedious drivel you just wrote. ("Willy Clinton?" ugh!) It is a made up word. I assume you picked it up from watching police TV shows, but if you consult your dictionary (big book with alphabetized words/definitions, you may find it is missing. (Also "Johny Terrorist?" Imagine me rolling my eyes)
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak blahdeblahdebalh!,typical shillboy MO son!! go on and on about commonly used and understood words (language evolves sonny, you are soo green!) that the dictionary bods are not ofey to yet BUT totally ignore the argument to which you have NO counter-argument (did you get '...come clean over Monica'? :))
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER I'm not sure what argument I can make, old timer. Your posts are so obnoxiously facetious its hard for me to piece together a coherent set of ideas from them. It appears that you believe that there is a conspiracy behind 9/11, and that Saddam Hussein never killed anyone. I am sure this is an oversimplification, but that is hard to avoid when dealing with a simpleton. Ok, methuselah? By the way, I'll give you a bit of credit for the Monica thing, though I doubt its really yours.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak let me try and help you young-un'...I said Bliar in a speech after Saddam's capture claimed 400K bodies had been exhumed from verified Saddam mass graves when the official count was 3&1/2K and that we'd been lied to over the 45minute Iraqi WMD YOU countered 'why didn't they fake the WMD? if 9/11 was a scam?' I then put you right about the practical impossibilities in faking 45min' WMD and commensurate forensic evidence adding 9/11 was never "forensicated".(what about"Clit-on"?)
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER Do you remember how this all started, OAP? You asserted that Hitchens is lying about witnessing a mass grave being opened, and seemed to imply that just because your PM made an absurd over exaggeration about how many, that there may not be any at all. If you now admit that mass murder did take place in Iraq, why would you suspect Hitchens of lying here? By the way i did not notice "clit-on" but seeing it now I do not find it that funny. Its rather crude and desperate.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER One more thing, pappy. Before I get into any of the other issues, I want to make sure I have not misinterpreted you. Do you or do you not believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the United States government?
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak a clit-on voter? don't cream yourself!! (like Willy)every joke has its time I suppose, it's all about timing! Proponents of the 2003 Iraq invasion and occupation are liars and therefore unreliable witnesses, that is why I asked if Hitch's plummy verbiage here is more lies. I believe everything is mathematics and like God the official 9/11 story does NOT (sorry for shouting) ADD UP/COMPUTE AND THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN IS FLAWED! Are you an official 9/11 story blindfaither?
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER There are dozens of elements in the official story that at a first glance appear suspicious. Of course they continue to appear suspicious at second glance when you are looking at them with the strained logic of someone like Dylan Avery, but when you look at the testimony of actual independent experts, most of it actually does "add up". So no, I am not a "blindfaither." I have come to my own conclusion about 9/11. Question everything (the government AND the internet!)
gunterdak 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER as for the war in Iraq, I have never been a supporter of it but I have always sympathized with why Hitchens was. As a liberal, Hitchens supported the deposition of a mass murdering fascist. The fact that our motives in doing so were corrupt and our leaders lied to us does not change what Saddam was or that we took him out of power. People who try to downplay Saddam's behavior are no better than Holocaust deniers as far as I am concerned. We clear now, Großvater?
gunterdak 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER oh I forgot to mention: I find it odd that you believe that the same people who would have pulled off 9/11 (planting thousands of pounds of explosives in a crowded office building without anyone knowing, kidnapping 4 commercial airliners, staging a massive war game as a distraction, swearing hundreds of people to life long silence etc) would be daunted by the task of forging the paperwork for some Iraqi chemical bombs just because Phoney Blair said there were 45 of them.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak T-OUCH-E! I'm out of my depth here allright! knocking down three buildings and 'crashing four planes in your own country is a pretty big job AND coincidences DO happen BIG ONES! The Gulf War I 'incubator baby killings' and 'Iraqi tanks massing on Saudi border' were pretty easily dismissed as fakes AND conspiracies.Should I invest in WTC7 style office fire controlled demolition? more cost effective than the (LOL)9/11 independent commission! Bliar said the WMD were 45minute READY
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER "knocking down three buildings and 'crashing four planes in your own country is a pretty big job AND coincidences DO happen BIG ONES!" Is that supposed to be a sarcastic statement? Because both parts of it are completely true. I think you may be suffering under what is called the myth of the hyper-competent government. Hell I wish the government was as clever as that. Maybe the Iraq war would not have been such a fucking disaster.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak ...and the office fire controlled demolition shares? buy buy المني بابي?
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER most real conspiracies are small and simple, like your baby killings, tank movements, the Gulf of Tonkin, etc. They are cynical quick fix political stunts and everyone eventually finds out they were bullshit after a while, but by then its to late for anyone to give a shit. The only conspiracy around 9/11 was the fact that we were told that Iraq was partially to blame. The lack of an effective investigation is if anything another example of incompetence.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak So you admit that conspiracies/government covert operations DO happen? just one day before the 2 million person anti Iraq war march London Feb2003 Bliar had Heathrow airport circled with army tanks to counter a "terrorist alert" another coincidence or a conspiracy? I hazard a guess-- hmmm?....CONSPIRACY! My point is all those thousands of army personnel were involuntarily part of that suspected theoretical conspiracy.
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER No fucking shit there are conspiracies! All forms of authority, government, business, your school, my mother, all of them lie and manipulate. Do you think that's profound? What you do not get is how little effort is needed to deceive us. No one would have staged something as big as 9/11 because there was no need. If it had not happened, they would have come up with some other lame pretense to do what they wanted. They just took advantage of something real this time.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak you can't say "real" 9/11 evidence has been illegally destroyed or made classified, somehow us seeing it, like the salvaged plane parts, is a threat to US national security.All you have is BLIND FAITH admit it!
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER Wow. Have you been taking the piss the whole time? Are you just a troll and your starting to drop hints, ore is real time rhetoric just getting too tiring for you? I've been sparring with you for a week now. You can do better than that.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak or*
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak Do you know and can you prove the 9/11 truth? Are you going to share it with us? (careful selected witnesses to the 9/11 truth are now DEAD!)
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@TODB0AMER Who is dead? What are their names? What would they have said if they survived? Where did you hear about them? If the answer is "that guy from Loose Change who heard explosions by building 7 then had a heart attack" please go back to school. I do not have to prove that your ill constructed theories are false. You have to prove that they are true. So go ahead. The proof that planes brought down the towers is in the tens of thousands of other witnesses who saw it happen.
gunterdak 1 month ago
@gunterdak have you ever answered a question directly E-V-E-R???
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@TODB0AMER Ha Ha. Your funny. Have you?
gunterdak 1 month ago
@gunterdak I asked for your definitive 9/11 truth not waffle laughingboy.
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@TODB0AMER I told you my definitive truth. I guess you were not paying attention. The truth is that thousands saw the planes hit, the buildings collapsed as a result, and the overwhelming majority of structural engineers and experts agree that's all there is to it. The fact that a tiny minority believe that there is something else going on should not convince a rational person of anything. A tiny minority of scientists still believe that global warming is a hoax.
gunterdak 1 month ago
@gunterdak (con'2)... anomalies include alleged flight 175 photographed NOT having regular Boeing 767 underside, the pre impact flash consistent with DU tipped missiles, no 20ft diameter exit hole consistent with object of F175's dimensions and trajectory exiting the south tower visible in that side of WTC2, the impact silhouette of alleged flight11 forming six seconds post impact in unmarked north tower fascia, no WTC alleged plane black box recovered and no salvaged 911 plane part ever (con')
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@gunterdak (con'3)...verified, this evidence made classified and somehow us seeing it a threat to US national security!?! seismic readings for all three tower collapses not consistent with those tonnages falling at those velocities and 220X 1 acre floors of steel and concrete producing an appx' knee high rubble pile! Can you give me the name of one of one of the "majority of scientists" who buy the official 9/11 story so I can challenge him/her with this data? organ grinders not monkeys I say!
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@TODB0AMER No why don't you answer my questions, squirt?
gunterdak 1 month ago
@gunterdak lots of "witnesses " saw many contradictory things! there was 'Harley T-shirt man" doing a vox pop that resembled (and likely was) an infomercial for the official BS and, of course, GWBush (el pretzeldente) even saw flight 11 hit the north tower on a monitor before going into the classroom to read a book entitled 'My Pet Goat' , this wasn't seen on TV until the following day but he's never retracted this dubious claim has he?.I've yet had it explained to me how a plastic tipped(con')
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@gunterdak (con')... thin aluminium craft can pass through 1 acre of steel and concrete (at questionable for sea level speeds) as if passing through air,zero deceleration no pieces breaking off at impact and leaving no evidence in the impact holes. (this was true for all 4" 9/11 plane" impact holes) Equally odd, alleged flight 175 was filmed from several angles nosecone and fuselage exiting the south tower intact, even you can't dispute the physical impossibility of this occurring. Other..(con)
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@gunterdak watch?v=bvay28lZiHU
TODB0AMER 1 month ago
@TODB0AMER you conspiracy types are always calling people "sheep." Do you really believe it takes that much of an impressive display to get sheep to follow you? sheesh.....
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak The 'incubator baby killings' had a string of "witnesses" who swore under oath at an enquiry into the alleged crime and the President of the good ol US of A looked the American people in the eye on TV to inform and educate them about what turned out to be a lie. 9/11 is a lie! wise up المني بابي!
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
@TODB0AMER how many witnesses? and now we all know its a lie. See how good the government is at keeping secrets. Not that it was their secret anyway. Now compare the scale and extent of that "conspiracy" to your proposed theory on 9/11 and tell me if you really think you've proved anything to me. btw piss off with the arabic. copy and paste does not make you clever or educated.
gunterdak 2 months ago
@gunterdak we who have half a brain all know 9/11 is a lie too FACT!
TODB0AMER 2 months ago
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Im having a drink. Another one of the t*rds who advocated bombing 1.2 million Iraqis to death, finally got what was coming to him. I hope he suffered as much as the thousands of Iraqi babies with depleted uranium deformities are suffering right now!
garic2k 2 months ago
This man is such a genius
K3yB04dG000n 2 months ago
"The smell of Fascism" I love rhetoric like that!
rcarass1 6 months ago
Hmmm,..the US didnt step in to stop Rhuanda, or Edie Amein, or any other mass murdering Dictators,...why did we 'care' so much about this guy and his undocumented mass graves? Why didnt the people seem to show gratitude for being 'freed' from this monster? How come when military dictatorships benefit us they are our honored guests at the White House but when they have nothing but good natural resources then we need to go to war with them? Lots of questions,...not alot of answers just propeganda
ZyonFyre 7 months ago
Not everyone get that protective slime layer hitchens ;) hahaha
Hermoor 10 months ago
Reminds me of that scene in the Big Lebowski...
theshninja 10 months ago 8
@theshninja
Nice comment. Never made that connection before!
beaprod 2 months ago
@theshninja oh God.... but I did laugh, too, so.... yeah.
kubrox91 2 months ago
ok the london bombings? at the exact same time they were doing a terrorist excersise, at the exact locations at the exact time a "real" terrorist attack took place.
the chances of this are above a trillion or more to 1.
watch?v=F8vRlA5Bloo
gyco7 10 months ago
yeah companies like GE, they pay how much in tax? Also do you know much about the history of corporations? Their gains? How about the employment, look if your employees are from another country, then move your corporate headquarters there. dont pretend to be american. just because the ceos are millionaires doesnt mean they are an american company.
gyco7 10 months ago
im gladd saddam is gone, now american corporations who pay no taxes can continue to get no bid contracts to rebuild a country from a war that was a lie.
thank god for blessing the USA with the firepower to turn bodies into red lakes. ahmen. praise the lord, and jesus and baby jesus, and the first and second comming of christ. amen.
gyco7 11 months ago
@gyco7 I don't know what your rant is all about but the U.S. has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world.
brandonayers 11 months ago
@gyco7 Large corporations aren't stupid. Because the U.S. has such a high corporate tax rate compared to other countries it only makes sense for them to put their costs here in the U.S. and put their gains oversees in lower tax countries.
brandonayers 11 months ago
@gyco7
I like how your comment contained virtually no grammar, as well as innumerable spelling errors. Sort of backs up my original thought; which was that you're a fatuous buffoon. Not only this, but you didn't even attempt to formulate any sort of argument..
Your entire 'argument', rather crudely put is 'Well..people died, thus the War was bad!'.
You're obviously unfamiliar with how many innocents died at the hands of Hussein's goons. Honestly, did you even fucking watch this video?
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@gyco7
Do Hitchens' words mean nothing to you? They certainly don't appear to, considering you didn't even mention them; or their subject matter - namely how Hussein's regime murdered 450,000 adults and 50,000 children. Want to talk about 'Red lakes' now?
Because I'm pretty damn sure the US/UK/Polish/Australian troops didn't force families to watch their daughters being raped while they were forced to applaud.
Fuck you.
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago 2
@BelfastAtheist The amount of civilians that the u.s and Co have killed dwarfs anything that saddam did with the weapons we supplied him. Dont forget that asshole
sampsonitelodge 10 months ago
@sampsonitelodge good point. Saddam was a cunt but bush, obama, blair, cameron are much bigger cunts than. More than half a million children have been killed since this illegal irrelevant war began
theoneali 10 months ago
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lovesXtoXspoog 8 months ago
@sampsonitelodge
What is this babble?
The highest Casualty rate I've read (Lancet Survey) was 601,000 deaths. Every other respectable source puts it closer to around 100,000.
That's a lot you might say, but what about: The 50,000 who died in Hussein's genocide of Kurdistan, the 35,000 people who died in the Kuwait War and of course, the 1.5-2 Million people that died in the Iraq-Iran War.
You're really going to try and say we killed more people than Hussein, are you?
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@sampsonitelodge
I was being generous to you there, mind. I didn't even bother to count the 500,000 Iraqi Citizens that Hussein murdered while in power.
All together, these numbers leave us with around; 2,553,500 (Over Two and half MILLION people) as well as the (minimum) of 100,000 who died in the Iraq War itself; which Hussein practically begged us for with his repeated insults to International Law, especially the Geneva Convention.
Go back to school kid.
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@BelfastAtheist 100,000 ? again IBC propaganda sir ?
StopTheElite 3 weeks ago
Omg, Hitchens is so fucking dirty.
sk8tafrnk 1 year ago
LOL...covered in slime...12 hours away from a shower. And got dead people all over you, wow your crouch must have smelled hitchens haha. I can see it before me, the fat pink redish englisman almost crying because of the condition of his body xD
Hermoor 1 year ago
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Hitchens is such a fool.
Hitchens, 1976:
"And it has a leader — Saddam Hussain — who has sprung from being an underground revolutionary gunman to perhaps the first visionary Arab statesman since Nasser."
Osama Bin Ladem attacked the US because of the US Federal State occupying the Arabian Peninsula and funding Israel, not because of jihadism/islamism.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
Is Hitchens tearing up in this video?
TheCarpecarp 1 year ago
@TheCarpecarp
I suspect you would as well if forced to remember such a horrific event, either for emotional reasons, assuming you are some sort of decent person, or if you are not then for purely physiological reasons. It is well known that memory and scent are linked, it is quite possible that while recalling the exhumation of a mass grave in 100+ degree heat you might recall the smell, which i promise you would be enough to make even Hitler's eyes water.
z3r0t0l3r4ns 1 year ago
@z3r0t0l3r4ns calm down chuckles. I was only asking if he was, not that if that was a good or bad thing.
TheCarpecarp 1 year ago
@z3r0t0l3r4ns Unnecessary lecture
BrokedownBenz 1 year ago
@TheCarpecarp no he was a little loose the night before and described himself as snake bitten. Funny guy.
aussieconservative 1 year ago
What is the flag he is wearing?
vampyre88 1 year ago
@vampyre88 Flag of semi-autonomous Kurdistan, northern Iraq.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 Why the hell would he be wearing that?
vampyre88 1 year ago
@vampyre88
Well, all his life he says that he's tried to fight for and support secular, liberal democracies. Kurdistan largely fits this description, even though they didn't get their own state. He's said he is a friend of the Kurds, and sympathizes with their struggle against dictatorship and tyranny... especially after the numerous Al Anfal-esque attacks on the Kurds. I can't exactly recall, but I think he'd hoped for self-determination after Saddam fell.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 I cannot think of a more intolerant, oppressive and dangerous society than a potential Kurdish independant state. Regardless of their treatment under Saddam, everyone suffered under that regime. Kurds are responsible for numerous crimes against humanity, including prevalent honour killings, terrorism and religious extremism. Hitchens' support of Kurdistan must be purely emotional.
vampyre88 1 year ago
@vampyre88
It's important to distinguish between the PKK & Iraq's semi-autonomous district. True, the border is more porous than it ought to be & I've seen atrocities and terrorist acts perpetrated in that area. But I've seen nothing to support your characterizations of Iraqi Kurds. Further, your imagination seems limited if the Kurds are the worst you can conjure... we're fighting several worse regimes around the world. Finally, you'd be hard-pressed to find him making emotional arguments.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 PKK is the militant group fighting for kurdish state, they cannot be ignored. Kurds are responsible for most honour killings where-ever they are found. This is not an emotional arguements at all, a kurdish society would not be something I would personally see as a good thing for anyone. What the kurdish people claim to want and what the kurdish people will inevitable create are very different. If hitchens wants to represent liberalism and secularism then he should wear his own flag.
vampyre88 1 year ago
@vampyre88
I don't think it's fair to equate them on ethnicity or goals alone. It'd be like indicting all Muslims as terrorists because a subset of them use it to advance their goals. The Iraqi Kurds, as far as I can tell, are very different than the PKK. They certainly dont defend them publicly.
I am categorically against honor-killings, stoning, etc. But, if I may ask, do you have personal experience/knowledge of Iraqi Kurds that leads you to your conclusions? Or sources, please?
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 I lived in a kurdish area of Turkey for 6 years. It may be true that not all muslims are terrorists, but the terrorism and extremism we see today are certainly tools of meeting the agenda of the religion, that doesn't make all muslims evil but it is enough for me to be wary of their presence right? The same for kurds, I have kurdish friends but I know their beliefs are very dangerous.
vampyre88 1 year ago
@vampyre88
Interesting. Do you think the PKK is representative of all Kurds, though? And I can agree that being wary around possibly dangerous people, especially given your experience, is warranted. You wont find me trying to court dangerous fundamentalists of any sort.
As for Kurdish Iraq, I dont understand how Hitchens could find himself so off-target... he knows and understands the threat of the "parties of god" to civilization. I'll have to do some research...
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 Well the PKK is a Communist organisation and not the only group intent on creating a separate Kurdish state, Hitchens is wearing the kurdish flag not the PKK flag. PKK however is the most prominent group and its socialist ideology appeals to the less educated and wealthy kurds. A kurdish state in any form would damage the progress kurds will face as part of any country their territory covers.
vampyre88 1 year ago
MEDDLED EAST LOL
CyberspacedLoner 1 year ago
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Mass graves are bad but Iraq is not that bad don't let this asshole scare you.
123321Adil 2 years ago
the memories of the holocaust in Iraq will last a thousand years. the die was cast. the main strategic beneficiary is Israel. The tactical beneficiary is Iran and the USA.
Hulegu of the Mongol hords did the same thing, maybe a little less, but the Arabs still remember with "fondness" those dark days.
Those who commit crimes delude themselves into thinking that the victim moved on and forgot about it. the time for accountablity is set by the victim when the perpetrator least expects it.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
the heads of Cosa Nostras never carry out killings with their own hands, they are responsible though for the action of those under their command.
Do you think that Hitler or the Germans in Hungary were killing the Jews by themselves? they were doing it through their Hungarian government and militias. but Hungary was under the control of the Nazis and therefore, the Nazis were responsible for these atrocities.
YOur logic is defunct.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Remember very well the first holocaust of the 21st century: the holocaust of the Sunni Arabs in Iraq.
It is not going to stop there as the plan for the destruction of the ME is underway with the help of Iran. This is the reason for the ultra weak American attitude toward Iran since Iran-Contra scandal.
Alqaida never attacks in Iran, India or Israel or in any place under their protection. it is a front.
An example is Bangladesh, 100 million muslims, who is under the Indian protection.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Saddam was a scumbag but he was also a stabilizing force against religious fundamentalism in Iraq. I would've supported the invasion of Iran instead 100%.
MrMalavon 2 years ago
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chris hitchens is calling the iraq war an "intervention"-isnt SPIN just wonderful!
peppermintpaddy 2 years ago
im glad saddam is gone he was one of the greatest war criminals of the 20th century. however this seems to be the only good thing in what has been a furnace of shit
currentslacker 2 years ago 33
In Hiroshima lived a criminal man who bullied his neighbours etc. He died in the bombing which reduced the city and its inhabitants to dust.
jjvanka 2 years ago
@currentslacker yeah im glad we killed sadam to, because we did sell him the gas he killed the kurds with. and it also gives us more reason to invade iran. you chicken hawk military fuckers really dont care about killing people in the name of your fake god jesus? horus? take your bible and your fake traditions and go on to jesus land and leave us a lone.
gyco7 11 months ago
@currentslacker Also, his evil sons were killed, too, so the family can't continue to dictate.
cshubs 6 months ago
Add to that 5 million refugees (mostly Sunnis) and you get the first holocaust of the 21st century based on religious hatred. The amazing thing that once I say that somebody would say that this is unlikely because the Sunnis were only 20% of the population, which is the lie that presaged the holocaust.
As for the estimate, do you want me to quote the people who brought us the WMD story?
Iran took the bait and took part in the holocaust in Iraq based on its own narrow national interest.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
You want to see mass graves? Go to Iraq now and see the mass graves of 2 millions Irqis viciously killed by the occupation powers and their radical death squad allies currently in power,
2 million in 6 years. Just do the math.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
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danielkills 2 years ago
2 million is a far far overreaching stat... You can probably quote somebody, but that is the highest prediction I have ever heard
trocknickel 2 years ago
Calling BS on your claim. Who claims that two million Iraqis were killed? What credible institution put forward that number.
Also killed by the occupation powers my ass. The hateful religious extremest killed the vast majority of Iraqis in their bid to terrorize the population into abandoning a pluralistic government.
You such a bull shit artist it is almost unfathomable.
EasyEs 2 years ago
Credible Institution? LIke the CIA who came up with the eternal WMD scam?
I guess you should forget about this "credible institution" and rely on empirical accounts and eye witness accouts. Who dare ask for a count of the dead?
Those hateful extremist came with the occupation and were financed by it. Look at a phote of GWB with the head of Badr Organization, the leader in death squad activities. As for Alqaida, it is a front of the activities of Iran and the USA, period.
Plurality?
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Nice try and bait and switch..so you don't have one.
I dare ask for a count of the dead if your insinuating American UK Ausie and Polish soldiers did it.
So the USA and UK financed insurgent actions? Okay back up that one if you can..
No moron AQ in Iraq was largely former Saddam Fedayeen who developed finance links with the Saudis long before 2003.
Leader of death squad activities, oh yeah shia death squads got no direction from Iran at all I am sure.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs
Remember what Rumsfield said about counting the dead?
Insurgent actions attacking the USA was not backed by the USA. Al-qaida who started blowing up the innocent to scare the not- so- innocent even though rightful were double agents doing the work of IRan and the USA in Iraq.
Saddam Fedayeen disappeared with their shiite members joining the Governement of Shiite-Rouge in Iraq.
Alqaida does not attack in Iran, Israel, India. Why...Why...Why? Just give me an answer.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
I disagree with on several points, the Fedayeen whabi links are well established. What started broke into several fractions.
Al Qeada isn't one entity that has a definite structure. There is whabi inspired volence in Iran Israel and India, they don't call them selves AQ.
AQ Iraq had the goal of Iraq until they were distroyed, they don't have the resources or the ability to win over competing fractions to launch operations in those nations.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs
As for Iran supporting the death squads, certainly, and it did not bother the Americans a bit who where shaking hands as the photos show with the leaders of the death squads.
the Shiite-Rouge regime in Iraq today is a thousand times worse than that of Saddam Hussain.
Here is one nugget of information for you:
UBL's mother AND wife are Shiite. UBL's phylosophy is Kharijite, an extinct Islamic terror group revived by the West and nurtured by IRan.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Bin Laden drew his ideology from the writings of Sayed Qutb and his followers. He isn't of terrible importance to me I belive he is dead now anyhow.
I will research into Kharijite. However isn't the current Iranian leader a follower of the Hojjatieh sec, as are many of the revolutionary guard?
EasyEs 2 years ago
I do not know about Hojjatieh.
UBL's mother and wife are Shiite. the media did not want to point to this as the goal was to demonize the Sunnis.
UBL's connection to Iran is Ayman Zawahiri who is a Kharijite. there was a Kharijite group called Takfir and Hijra which started in Egypt in the seventies. they killed the Minister of Islamic Endowment in Egypt and were all arrested. among them was Ayman Alzawahiri who also had a part in the assassination of Anwar Sadat, Egypt's president. Continue
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Ayman Alzawahiri was misteriously released to pursue the life of a terrorist for hire. Iran is the only country free from the pressure of the United States as far as terrorism is concerned. It is the fountainhead of terrorism and got away with murder in the eighties, thanks in no small part to the USA and Reagan in particular. Yet the USA went on establishing secret relations with Iran that was partly exposed in the Iran-Contra.
The same Iran Contra figures ran the USA since Bush Jr. Cont.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Al-Qaida does not have a definite structure? What does that mean?
bottom line: Alqaida does not attack in Iran, India or Israel or any country under their protection.
Example in point: Bangladesh.
The funny thing is that Al-qaida attacks Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen which are countries that neither the USA, India, Israel nor Iran is happy with. In Yemen, Alqaida raised its ugly head only when the attack on the Shiite Huthis intensified. The USA, supporting the Huthis like Iran was angry.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
The USA was angry as the Huthis were about to be wiped out and asked Yemen to concentrate on Al-qaida after the Iranian supported Alqaida threatened attacks.
Look I am no politician, but I have eyes to see and brain to analyze.
Al-qaida with no definite structure is another word for Al-qaida under the control of intelligence services.
It is a code name for terror attacks staged by Intelligence services of major countries claiming to be fighting terrorism. This includes Iran.
alfalfafalafelmafia 2 years ago
Take it from an Iraqi, undeniably Iraq now is far more shitty than it was under Saddam (security-wise).
However, I'm quite surprised to see that many simply reject to believe the fact that Saddam was a ruthless mass murderer. Kurds, Shiites. You name it.
Political dissenters were made to drink gasoline and then Qusay, his son, would throw cigarette buts down their throats.
A kiosk vendor was tortured for selling falafel sandwiches wrapped with newspapers with Saddam's picture on it.
m7md7atem 2 years ago
I pray that your country has peace. many many good people lost. I want to believe Arabs don't need a strong man to push them around. Please do everything to ensure your country becomes what it has the potential to be
EasyEs 2 years ago
My country has a great potential. We all know it. You cab read the National Intelligence Estimates of the 70s about Iraq and see what the CIA thought of the development.
However, it's very hard now. Most of our people are uneducated and follow clerics blindly. The upper and upper-middle classes have fled the country including the intelligentsia and most professionals.
And by the time the US withdraws Iraq will be a colony of Iran.
So don't get your hopes up.
m7md7atem 2 years ago
What is the US doing about the famine and the blood diamonds in Africa? What are they doing about the mass murdering of the Chechnyans? The Uyghurs? The thousands of cases which demand urgent intervention? Don't even mention the word "morality." What a load of brainwashed sorry sheep you are.
apocalogy 2 years ago
you can't tell the U.S to mind their business and then demand to know their involvement in the African atrocities. The problem with the foreign policy of the United States is that when we intervene, we're called imperialists, and when we don't we're called cowards. You asked who assigned us the role of World Police Force. The answer is in the question: the world.
Zigabo0 2 years ago 3
You misunderstood what I wrote. I meant this:
If the US is so bent on caring about the whole world, shouldn't it care about urgent matters like African atrocities?
And regarding ur comment ...who assigned us the role of World Police Force. The answer is in the question: the world.
Are you serious?
Didn't you know that the US FINANCES the wars in the world?
Go read some Noam Chomsky (American) to know what the US should do with its title (the one you proclaimed) as World Police Force.
apocalogy 2 years ago
No one is asking the US and all the rest to intervene. Who assigned you this role? Mind your own damn business you pompous bastards.
apocalogy 2 years ago
The United States and the rest of the Imperialist countries have surely brought peace and stability to Iraq. I mean now that the weapons of mass destruction have been detected and neutralized, Saddam given a fair trial and executed and the oil safely pumped into the wells of the big majors, everything is going smooth. The US/UK/Canada/the rest can now carry out their original plan, which is to build hospitals and schools.
apocalogy 2 years ago
Christopher Hitchens is not my favorite person on so many levels.
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
Thumbs up for that.
Glad not everyone worships this warmonger like he is some sort of great leader.
He's just some right winged journalist who makes money by writing 'controversial' articles and books.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
Hitchens is such a hippocrit and a very cold person.
No mention of the mass graves caused by the US 'liberation' of Iraq.
I can't believe he has the nerve because he condoned the US invasion of Iraq and he knew himself the death toll would be on an industrial scale.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
The fact that many thousands of civilians have, without question, died in the 2003 invasion and subsequent activity does not diminish the fact that at least 2 million people died under Saddam's thumb. Your railing against the former doesn't dismiss his point.
There are so many good arguments for your (and my) position; don't stoop to making bad ones.
Grak70 2 years ago
Hitchens should practice what he preaches.
America is still to this day torturing, killing (mainly people in afghanistan and pakistan.
Saddam is dead last time I checked.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
And if you'd watched any of his other videos you'd know he's opposed to torture and extraordinary rendition.
And as heartless as it sounds, there is a difference between civilian casualties during war and intentional murder of your own people. International law recognizes the difference, but apparently some people do not.
Grak70 2 years ago 3
Try telling that to the relatives of hundreds of thousands of 'civilian casualties' due the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Actually don't bother, you or Hitchens don't seem to care, as long as it's 'casualties' it's OK.
Disgusting.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
Right. I don't agree with your emotionally charged opinion so I must be a monster. Screw you.
Grak70 2 years ago
What mass graves from the liberation of Iraq?
How long would you have allowed the genocides of a fascist dictator to go on?
rudenoodle 2 years ago
I'm willing to grant him the fact that we've killed or caused to be killed, a lot of people in Iraq. But to your point, this is just the sort of critic who laments afterward why we didn't do more in Rwanda or Somalia once the graves are covered with grass again.
Bush's justifications for war were shit. That -doesn't- mean there weren't morally justified reasons for intervening.
Grak70 2 years ago 6
Where else do you put the dead who died from air strikes, sanctions and terror?
Look at footage of pre-war Iraq, see how eager the people of Iraq were for their country to be invaded.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
What do you say in relation to the crimes against humanity Saddam was responsible for?
Ethnic Cleansing:
As well as these:
Religious Persecution:
The Dujail Massacre of 1982:
The Barzani Clan Abductions of 1983:
The al-Anfal Campaign:
The Post-Uprising Massacres of 1991:
How long would you have allowed atrocities like these to go on until action was taken to prevent them?
Do you believe the United States was justified in helping to topple Adolf Hitler's regime?
rudenoodle 2 years ago 3
Religious Persecution still happens in Iraq, even more so after the US invasion.
Ethnic cleasning is happening in Palestine right now but America does nothing but bail out Israel.
First of all, I wouldn't of given Saddam the WMDs to commit the atrocities in the first place. Infact I would of never tried to destablise the middle east at all by over throwing Mosedec and funding terror.
I'm not even going answer the last question, it has nothing to do with the current conflict.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
Are you so naive as to believe the Iraqi people knew about what Saddam was doing? Or were allowed to express an opinion about it? There wasn't much opposition to Saddam hussein because he had any opponents executed. The wars and sanctions could have been avoided at once if Saddam hussein had relinquished power and held democratic elections. The fact that he never managed to obtain nuclear weapons after he was found to be seeking them, is a testimony to the success of western policy.
CyrusGuitar 2 years ago
It was western policy to give him weapons.
It wouldn't of mattered who was in charge of Iraq whether it was a democratically elected leader or a dictator because Iraq was going to be attacked anyway, same with Afghanistan.
Iran had a democratically elected government decades ago, did that stop western powers from interfering?
Nope.
If you really think the invasion of Iraq was to simply hold 'democratic elections' then your the one who is naive.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
TheSpiaire:
Your comments are like a breath of fresh air in the midst of all these brainwashed people. I guess it is the latest fashion to respect and agree with scum like Hitchens and his like.
An example: If the US is so moral, why is it giving billions to the Zionist State to wipe out the Palestinians? Last time I checked, in the latest attack on Gaza the victims were mainly women and children. I just don't know where to start if I were to write down all of the US contribution to the world.
apocalogy 2 years ago
Thanks.
Many people just agree with journalists like Hitchens because they can't think for themselves, so they rather get someone else to do it.
The US-backed Karzai government who control 90% of the world heroin trade is also another US contribution, the list is endless.
TheSpiaire 2 years ago
since we know that palestinians havent killed women and children themselves.
And he condemns the settlements in other speeches as an example of religion "poisining everything" in other youtube videos. In case facts are important among you non-brainwashed folks.
elfred1980 2 years ago 2
Religion doesn't poison everything. The people who appropriate religion to their greed and obsession with power poison everything. And please don't repeat what other uneducated people tell me about how the Qur'an calls for violence, because it doesn't. It calls for self-defense. People take verses out of context. See what Chris Hedges has to say about Hitchens and his neo-atheistic like.
apocalogy 2 years ago
Many of the people who take verses out of context consider themselves more pious Muslims then you yourself. You want to be a Muslim fine, I love the fact that you are humbled before God, I feel that is the way man is supposed to be. I am not going to be told I am ignorant for knowing that a sizable population of Muslims sees me fit for slaughter. Its your problem as a moderate Muslim, and its not my fault members of your faith misinterpret the beheading Banu Qurayza
EasyEs 2 years ago
First of all refrain from throwing around words like "Banu Qurayza" because that shows an ignorance as to what the historical factors were. Research it in a non-biased resource. If you are serious about this I can message you a lot of resources. Second of all, unless you actively participate in massacring, invading and driving Muslims out of their homes, you are safe. It is not up to Muslims to decide these things because it is Allah's order in the Qur'an (see for example ch. 80, verses 8,9).
apocalogy 2 years ago
let me ask you, if Islam completely vanished from peoples belief systems in the middle east tomorrow, would the place become less violent or more? Would we see an increase in suicide bombings and public torture, or a decrease? Why or why not?
spacecowboy95 2 years ago
First of all, Islam will NEVER EVER vanish from people's beliefs. This is just what the true enemy wishes would happen. Let them keep on dreaming.
Second of all, your question is horribly oversimplifying things but I will address it for the sake of argument. Who is causing all the violence in the world? Who was the one who caused the deaths of a million Iraqis and some 5,000 Americans in the name of "freedom", "liberation" and neutralizing the non-existent "weapons of mass-destruction"?
apocalogy 2 years ago
in three posts you never managed to answer my question.
If islam dissappeared tomorrow, would the rate of suicide bombings and public torture go up or down?
spacecowboy95 2 years ago 24
If you bothered to think about what I wrote then you wouldn't ask this ignorant question yet again. Your question was to know whether violence would disappear if Islam were to "vanish from people's belief systems in the middle east tomorrow".
I demonstrated how Islam is DEFENDING itself against the attacks. If you couldn't see that in 3 posts then I can't help you.
apocalogy 2 years ago
As to your question about whether suicide bombings/public torture would decrease:
Kindly clarify what you mean by "public torture".
As to what you call "suicide bombings", if you expect that mindless hatred and barbaric violence are greeted with a smile, then you misunderstand basic human nature as well as Muslims.
Anyway if you couldn't pick up the answer on your own, it is NO. Violence will always persist in a world where the greedy and the corrupt only want more and more.
apocalogy 2 years ago
public torture = torturing people in public, use your fucking imagination.
do you think young women in the middle east would still be stoned to death for not being virgins on their wedding nights if islam dissapeared?
and im glad you agree with me that muslims become suicidal when the feel invaded, after all, there have been many oppressed people in the world, not all of them have thought to strap bombs to their chests, its ISLAM which encourages people to behave that way.
spacecowboy95 2 years ago
I didn't agree with you on anything you pathetic fool, you just hear what you want to hear. Mark my words: I pray that all of you who condone the spreading of oppression in the world and fight the truth, as well as those you worship and emulate will all lead a life of sorrow, distress and grief.
apocalogy 2 years ago
On another note, I can see how popular you are judging by the comments on your channel. Says a lot about who you are and the way you engage in discussions.
apocalogy 2 years ago
@spacecowboy95 down, but its not as if there is a bombing everyday: plus Im sure a lot of them would still hate the jews
MamaMario13 7 months ago
Who do you think profited the most from 9/11? I can assure you it was not the Muslims. No Muslim is with 9/11, not even fundamental Muslims, and anyone who condones it is a US mercenary because he is going against Islam. We are already killed and slaughtered all around the world (Iraq, Afghanistan, Occupied Palestine, Darfur, the Uyghurs, Kosovo, ...). What are the US-backed Zionists doing to the people in Gaza?
apocalogy 2 years ago
Have you seen pictures and clips of the last war on Gaza? Is the man who fights to defend his faith, his land, his family from such mindless barbarism a terrorist? Is the Iraqi who defends himself against US mercenaries posing as Iraqis a terrorist? And at the same time, are warmongers and militant atheists who STILL condone the Iraqi war (like Hitchens) peace-makers? What a deluded world this is if it believes the answer is yes.
apocalogy 2 years ago
Thirdly, people are waking up to the fact that the US government is covering up the events of 9-11 and even the victims' families are calling for a re-investigation. Muslims are being slaughtered everywhere: Uyghur, Kosovo, Somalia, Darfur, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, ... and people don't want us to defend ourselves? I don't have a problem with peaceful people whatever their religion (or lack of) is, and neither do "fundamental" Muslims. Read some Noam Chomsky and Edward Said (non-Muslims).
apocalogy 2 years ago
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wait a minute, are you a 9/11 conspiracy nut? do you deny the holocaust ever happened? are you one of those who thinks the london bombings were orchestrated by the government?
have a nice paranoid life moron, there is no point conversing with fringe loonies like you.
spacecowboy95 2 years ago 23