Sestak: It'd Be Hard to Support Bill without Public Option

[newave123456]

I can't wait to vote for this guy. I like his position and I even volunteer for him! Good guy all the way around! Sestak 11/2/10!

[DemetriusEdge]

got my Vote

[josephdupont]

I don't what they do on the health bill as long as it is not mandatory! Sestak should remember that life without liberty is not worth living. living a little longer on iv tubes is not worth it. Don't support obama care health care at gun point!

[pointybongo]

Way to Go, Joe Sestak!

[oldtownkid]

This is the message that Democrats must start sending to Mrs Barack Vagina.

[1019drummer]

the co-op option needs a minimun membership of 50.000 memebers or more and one must adhere to stict guidlines reg. ones health to be a member.

i do believe co-ops should be considered but we should also remembe that co-ops typicaly need an infusion of cash from the goverment to get off the ground.

public plan vs. co-op............either way it all come out in the wash.

co-op= euphemism for public option.

[CollateralSandwich]

Clinton / Sestak 2012

[pezdrake]

We could set up an experiment to see if this works. We could take a group of people and put them on a government paid plan like this to see how successful it is.

But then people would say oh you took the healthy people so lets take the people hardest to insure, say people 65 and older. Then let's let it exist for thirty or so years and if it succeeds then we'll know that a government plan works. Hey wait! We already did that. Well, debate over!

[WinterHaven]

Co-op is stupid. Funded by people but members are all health insurance rejects-diabetics, heart disease, AIDS, cancer patients, liver diseases, COPD chronic lung diseases, etc etc etc costs MILLIONS *PER PERSON* Each member would contribute maybe $100 a month but use a million dollars a year per person. It would go jokingly bankrupt in no time. PRIVATE insurance screens people to keep these undesirables OUT because their health care is expensive. The would soon bankrupt the company.

[memama2]

WinterHaven = Hawaii instituted "Keiki Kare" for all the Islands children & all were allowed to be on the Public Plan. Even people with "private Pay" insurance cancelled and registered their kids for pennies. The coffers lasted 7 months. No more money. Thats what Obama Care will end up like. Mayhem and no oversite and cheating and millions on the dole and an Ivory Tower filled with Obama Care Government workers DENYING everyone anything costing =money! Think of the expense of STARTING THAT TOWER

[3star2nr]

No public option No bill

Progressive REVOLUTION

[KataVideo]

co-ops are a fraud.

[WinterHaven]

Co-ops will go bankrupt. In no time.That's why private insurance companies screens people to help keep health care costs DOWN. If they didn't the premiums would be so expensive nobody could afford it.

[UltraSWG]

So in your world, people who are sick and really do need health care should just die because they cost too much?

[UltraSWG]

I don't get it.

The democrats won on a Public Option Health Care reform platform.

Obama won a land slide election on a Public Option Health Care Reform platform.

So why the hell aren't the Democrats passing health care reform??

Why are they being intimidated by the republicans who didn't vote for them in the first place??

[WinterHaven]

OBAMA realizes it costs too much. One out of four Americans are morbidly obese. MOST Americans have diabetes and high cholesterol and heart disease. It would cost TRILLIONS just to get it started. Our KFC and McDonalds nation makes it impossible to do.

[UltraSWG]

How could it cost too much??

The public option is not free!

It is not paid for by tax dollars.

If we choose the public option we have to pay premiums for it like any other insurance plan.

[WinterHaven]

Oh yeah right-an insurance without pre-existing conditions-accepting anybody-pay your $150 a month and most of the health insurance rejects use a million a year out of it. It's going to stay afloat.

[UltraSWG]

Why would you think it would only cost $150 a month? It won't cost anything less than $400 a month for a family.

And why do you think only health care rejects have no insurance?

Hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost every month, and when people lose jobs, they lose their health coverage.

[HarveyRex23]

If a "public option" is not in the so called health care reform bill. I will NOT vote or give any money to any Democratic Candidates running for public office in the 2010 midterms & 2012 presidential elections.

[marniespeaks]

No Public Option No Vote or Money for ANY Democrat

[lota68]

It's amazing, the democrats won the election and they have such big majorities in the senate and the house and Obama ran on passing a healthcare bill. And now it's not going to happen?? America is really getting screwed.

[1samothrace77]

how about a co-op with all 50 states

[sachaput]

I like Sestak. That's a REAL Democrat in my opinion.

[route99]

Oh, and sailfish. Try not to sockpuppet, and +1 your own comments. Especially with almost exactly the same name. I mean sailfished - sailfished1...are you serious?

That's just a little pathetic.

[route99]

It's okay sailfish, you were already passive and in the fetal position after 30 years of letting the right wing control the thinking part of your brain.

As long as there's a boogeyman in a cave someplace in Middle East, it doesn't matter what the right did to maul the Constitution, right?. You got the right-wing umbilical cord plugged in, and Fox News there to confirm all your prejudices and biases. Don't worry you're docile enough to give up any freedom.

[sailfished]

Caught me ,,lol anyway I am a libertarian, have been for years, I have been consistent in my repudiation of both fake parties so your accusations are uninformed. But hey I support your right of free speech

[MadDogOfist]

Do you find the right-wing rhetoric about individual freedoms rather hard to swallow after they marginalised you libertarians and were about as authoritarian as it gets for so many years?

[sailfished]

I do not believe that the now out of power republicans are sincere in their freedom rhetoric anymore than I believe the rhetoric coming from the dems,.One aspect of this that really galls me is the crooks and liars who did nothing while bush raped this country are now trying to coopt the civil libertarian movement, they are fakes and poseurs . I hold both parties in equal disdain, but I especially dislike hypocrites

[MadDogOfist]

Right, good. You libertarians always had a certain amount of cache, because you could come from the left or the right and have clear ideas. Beck and others have made efforts of late to identify conservatism with libertarianism and liberalism with authoritarianism. If I were you, I'd do everything I could to correct that before your entire philosophy gets hijacked by imbeciles.

As for Obama - at least he'll debate with you soberly, rather than scream 'heil Hitler' and pull a gun on you. Peace.

[memama2]

MadDogOfist = I thought Obamas peeps liked to "discuss" things with a BOMB as a = comment?

[MadDogOfist]

Puzzled

[sailfished]

Oh I want my flu shot, I will be so much more passive after I lose about 20 points on my i.q. The world is so scary that w/o Obama telling me what to do I will just curl up in a fetal position. Josh , please keep up the work you do here on tpmtv , I know how importamt it is that we become a nation of gelded, domesticated jellyfish.

[3star2nr]

you dont need to worry about IQ points I dont think the measure it with negative numbers

[sailfished1]

bit of a tortured sentence but I got the gist of it , I think, sorry ,my mind is inferior to an Obama supporter, It is just hard to accept , I promise I will take a big slug of aspertane and calm down. lol,Peace

[intarwebzz]

sestak seems to be very clearheaded after Netroots Nation

[boots920]

Government means no FUTURE.

The idiots have taken out the whole global fiat money system.

Anything to do with paper has a future value = "0".

Heathcare a majority of people will have trouble with eating nevermind healthcare.

Maybe randomly invade another country and kill the civilizans before they starve to death. USA = Global healthcare plan. No innocent civilian left alive, government healthcare for the masses.

[intarwebzz]

where's my sad trumpet sound effect when i need it? if everyone's money is worth nothing, we can keep on keeping on--if you look carefully, you see these currency scares get big during democrats because it's wealthy republicans pushing the idea that a monetary system must be based on underlying commodities. but that's not really the way the world works anymore.

[boots920]

The US dollar has 0 value all fiat money ends and is reset.

"Banking Holiday"

That's why the idiots running the country into the ground don't care about budgets. Keep you savings in paper at least you'll have toilet paper.

[carrierexchange]

yes we should all revert back to living in tribes

[aznfootwork]

Boots920, what are you even talking about? How does that make any sense at all?

[boots920]

The value of paper money depends on the performance of government.

Example - The Patriots (men of honor) who make the ultimate sacrifice are in the care of the government.

250,000 Veterans live on the streets every-night, if the government is responsible for the Patriots and they get treated like that, how do the taxpayers rate. Just like paper money = future value of 0.

[aznfootwork]

I swear you're writing in English, but for some reason, I still have no idea what you're talking about.

[boots920]

Most American taxpayers have no idea what's going on that's why the future looks grim.

[tj5555555]

250,000 Vets on the street seems a little high , but your conclusion seems correct. tj

[RodgersRevolution]

He is a Canadian. I have been telling him to knock this crap off. But he knows who the better people are. Right boots920? How much is that Canadian money worth?

[10thAngel]

1.00 CAD

=

0.907756 USD

[RodgersRevolution]

Good. Then how bout you guys strengthen our economy? Seems fair right? Show us the error of our ways.

[10thAngel]

Maybe cut down on the military, buy just cutting half of the military spendings, and still USA would spend more money then the all the top 15 military spending nations in the world.

USA spends more money on healthcare then any other, 15.2% of their GDP, Switzerland spend closests to that with 11.5% GDP and still your people is more unhealthy then the rest.

[RodgersRevolution]

Yes I can totally agree with you. We want to destroy nations even though about 9% of our working class are unemployed. And that figure does not include the people that no longer get unemployment. People around the world know that we are idiots yet we cannot figure that out.

[CliveSinclairZX]

nearing 17-18 percent

[boots920]

I've heard figures in the 30 % range who knows the government is in charge of stats. The idiots stopped reporting M3 almost 3 years ago.  Why don't want the taxpayers to wake up anytime soon.

[boots920]

100 Trillion in debt and social obligations.

If you haven't figured it out yet the US is toast, you'll turn into or already are an economic wasteland. 3rd world living coming right up.

[1samothrace77]

i guess argentina is a wasteland? relax take a few breathes everything is going to be alright.

[boots920]

See this is why the globe's fucked too many taxpayers living in la la land. DENIAL.

Example The Iraq war has cost 1 Trillion and in the future could cost 4 trillion. What happens when the "government" can't pay the bills. The currency collapses ? What are you going to when a loaf of bread cost $100 bucks. The poor couldn't keep up when there wasn't a problem.

Dark ages coming right up !!!

[10thAngel]

Propobly not, that is not how economic works. 2nd world (like Russia) at it's worst, but now adays, nations can't just disapear or go bankrupt, hell it's not like Iceland even due to it's economic crisis disapeared, and they havn't plunged into a 3rd world destabalised nation and neither will USA.

You got friends, always good to talk with them, friends help eachother, and it's not like EU would like to cut their exports to the States.

Writing up doomsdays senarios often goes wrong.

[tj5555555]

the new definition of the wealth of a nation relates to the ability of a people collectively to work together. The worst aspect of all this anti- right & anti-left arguing, is it sets us up to lose the ability to get over our differences in a time of trouble and work togrther as one nation. If we couple this loss of compatability potential with the drastic reduction in our manufacturing capacity, then we just very well may be toast in the leadership role, and we are more poor because of it. tj

[sugarpuddin88]

Gimme a Break!

After the Tax Payer bailed out Merrill Lynch, they turned around and gave their executives 3.6 billion in Christmas Bonuses!

AIG awarded $500 million in bonuses to its executives after accepting a $173 billion government bailout

UBS bank was fined 700 million for tax evasion; then Congress gives them 5 billion free tax payer dollars

102 tril SS & medicare

25 tril TARP & bailouts

53 to 67 tril from other trusts

Every single American man, woman & child owes over $600K in debt

[tj5555555]

you get no argument from me about how the Fed is robbing the treasury and placing more burden on all tax payors present & future. In what aspect do you want me to "give you a break"? or was your comment intended for another? Your numbers seem correct, my statement was aimed at a tangential relationship as to a related out come of such deterioration of society that recovery is even less potentiated. We are not only dollar weaker but morally weaker and less able to correct ourselves. tj

[boots920]

You had world reserve money status, that now goes bye bye.

You don't even follow your own US constitution.

Congress declares war - not war criminals like Gwya

Silver and Gold is money - not worthless paper

Natural Born only for POTUS , you have an undocumented Kenyan national running the joint. (No long form)

Error of our ways, you don't follow the rule of law. US Constitution...the US is toast so the rest of the globe.

[10thAngel]

"You had world reserve money status" mostly due to the wake done by previous presidents, Obama kinda not even in Office before that shit hit the fan.

Lol you are a Birther

[boots920]

"Birther" who knows what a long form is as It took $100 and a week of phone calls to secure in overnight delivery.

That was for a work visa, wouldn't even try to present myself eligible for POTUS. The USA = Pineapple Republic

[RodgersRevolution]

Life in Canada must really suck since you are not out fixing it. I am sure everything is great where you are. What is your fixation with us? You cannot talk like this in Canada or you would!

[boots920]

Future value of Canadian money = 0.

US dollar is world reserve, all "paper" money is based on the performance of the American government.

That's why the globe's fucked...you can't fix it.

[oldtownkid]

I may not give you the exact number now but back in the 90's I remember that the canadian dollar was like 40 cents of our dollar, now canadian dollars during the Bush no-regulations-for-the-greedy years, the canadian dollar was like 90 cents to our dollar. I had close friends from Alberta and I used to make fun of their currency. I don't think we can do that now. And Canada's evil socialist tyranny is one of the countries where people are the happiest+no housing crisis+no financial crisis.

[sailfished]

Boots, Your comment was clear as abell to me. I am sure you realize as well as I do that the vast majority of folks on this site are totally asleep as to the nature of the beast that we are fighting. Most of them honestly believe that the majority can dictate terms re: freedom to the minority,they "many of them" actually believe that their rights were given to them by the government. Peace

[boots920]

When I woke up I couldn't understand why taxpayers couldn't see it, that's how effective propaganda is.

When's the last time you heard any main stream stories on any of the endless bullshit wars going on ?

The situation is 30 times worse than the inflation of the 70's.

[ehkinoh]

2 questions boots...

can you discuss ANYTHING besides "paper money is worthless!"? Is gold all that matters to you in life?

Also, do you ever go outside?

[boots920]

1 question is the US Constitution the way America is run or not?

Silver and Gold is legal tender !!! "Rule of Law"

[ehkinoh]

I'll take that as a no...

[boots920]

I'll take that as an asshole response

[10thAngel]

Well, those who are many and majority usaly rules those of the minority plus that minority voices is always welcomend and heard, but in the end, it's that majority who rules.

[RodgersRevolution]

If the majority does not speak for the minority then why do we have elections? Oh ya that is so you can blame the majority for all your short comings.

[10thAngel]

"Oh ya that is so you can blame the majority for all your short comings. " kinda what all rightwingers are doing now.

[p00lman]

Go find an abandoned island somewhere. You'll have no government to bother you, or pave your roads, or provide clean water to your kitchen, or connect your phone and internet lines, or give you basic cable TV, or . . .

[boots920]

Those services go away when the money system implodes.

[p00lman]

Please give us an example of an implosion.

[boots920]

War in Iraq no money raised , 1 trillion spent so far with an estimated 3 trillion in future obligations.

0 Return on investment

Similar to the Vietnam debacle only way worse.

[p00lman]

That's not good enough.

Make your youtube account implode, please.

[p00lman]

Please stop spamming and implode your computer. Thanks.

[boots920]

Oh now its spamming you're the one that wanted examples, give me one example of Government efficiency in the last hundred years ? What a hamster , you suck you offer 0 to the debate. You should run for a government political position.

Thanks...

[p00lman]

I offer nothing to the debate?

Holy irony, Batman!

[boots920]

0 all you do is ridicule

Hamster...

[p00lman]

Sorry, it's just that I'm allergic to nonsense and I just want to see it go away.

[boots920]

The Truth must stand alone hamster ,

Paper money future value = 0

[p00lman]

You should really stay away from math.

And keyboards.

[boots920]

The US dollar is backed by 0 , all world currency uses the US dollar as world reserve. You don't understand so all you do is ridicule. Keep your savings in paper you'll do great.

[flibadob]

boots, ... those are good examples of what the current system does.

It's understandable there is debate over whether or not a public option is wise. But tbh many other 1st world countries have had it for a long time and are better off for it.

The problem Americans seem to be facing is they don't want to pay for someone else's medical bills. Ironically, they're paying huge taxes to fund unneccessary wars. Have a little perspective.

Looking out for your fellow man does not equate to Socialism.

[boots920]

In Canada the system is starting to fail as the government can't balance the costs and expenses even though they have a monopoly. In the near future Canadians will end up with nothing.

Endless wars , exactly you could afford some kind of public option if the government didn't destroy its own currency.

Social programs are like ponzi scams they fail suddenly and the "investor" or taxpayer who trusted the idiot in charge or government ends up with nothing.

You live in la la land - denial

[charlie44444]

No boots, you have no idea what is happening in Canada. You only read what you want to hear. Governments all over the world will fuck you over so at least while we're getting fucked, we don't pay squat for health care...no matter what health problems we have. In the U.S., the citizens would prefer the money spent on killing young American men. America spends way more in health care and gets dick in return compared to other countries. That's a fact!

[boots920]

How is it free when you pay income tax plus provincial health care fees ? That's not free.

Nixon (I'm not a crook) ends the gold backing of the US dollar in 1971. Not one world leader said anything com'on. How can you have world reserve currency as pure fiat. It will fail...

Trudeau knew but he didn't give a crap because he wouldn't be around to face the music. Physical gold and silver or you're fucked. All world leaders on in on this ponzi scam absolute bull shit.

[charlie44444]

Health care fees are $100/month for the whole family. Peanuts. From the day we are born, health care never enters our minds. It's just assumed.

The government is going to get our money and spend it. I don't understand why the U.S. people would allow the gov't to do what it does, spending such a retarded amount of money on defense....offense, but are up in arms when they attempt to spend on the health of your people. I just don't get it.

[boots920]

Government is too incompetent to run a war nevermind health care.

Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.

Erwin Rommel

Canada involved in Afganistan, 0 benefit billions spent

[charlie44444]

Canada in Afghanistan is an embarrassment. Disgusting. We're out in a year.

The gov't is incompetent. But I don't go broke when I'm sick, and they're going to spend my money anyway. Perhaps America's health care can't be like Canada's, and maybe don't want to be, but right now it stinks and you spend more money than we do. Or any other socialized medicare for that matter.  And that's a fact.

[boots920]

We're out in a year keep thinking that, watch the idiots extend the mission again.

Canadian Healthcare - the government has an monopoly and still they cut back services, you'll end up with nothing.

EI oversubscribed by 50 billion and still there wasn't any money they had to borrow again to meet the shortfall.

[charlie44444]

Well...now you're just being negative!!!!.......

[boots920]

Negative its called being realistic when are you going to wake up.

Canadian dollar what's backing it , nothing right ?