Does god consider the scriptures to be important? How important? What about the way they are represented by those that believe them? How important would god consider that? Yet the omnipotent god stood by and watched them be misinterpreted over and over again. I know xtians have supposedly satisfying explanations for this apparent ineptitude on god's part. They must be insane. Wake up people. The bible was written by men.
If you are a Calvinist, IF there is divisions in the church, it was God's will to begin with, as everything that happens, it happens because he planned it all...NO FREE WILL. HE wrote the play, and we are just the actors. I wonder who will win the best supporting actor award?
@revulayshun Well, you can contend for your faith, and I will contend for mine, as it is revealed in my Bible. It's funny how we read the same Bible, well, mine is the KJV, and I know how much contempt that the Calvinists have for the KJV, and we both read something different. I contend for the faith based on a non-denomination that doesn't teach Augustine Original Doctrines from Catholicism. I entrust the results from him, too.
@revulayshun Yep...Christians as a whole are predestined to eternal life...not individuals predestined to be Christians. Calvinists tout exegesis, but without comprehension.
@revulayshun For example...God did not make Abraham have faith, God knew that Abraham would have faith...on his own...from his own heart. That's why Abraham was chosen. Either we believe that Jesus is the Christ, or we don't. It is our own choice. God does not force us to believe. But not according to the Calvinists, who tout Romans 9, but neglect Deuteronomy 1:39/Romans 4-7. Who got to go to the promised land? Those who had faith (Caleb/Joshua) & those who had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL.
@chapmaned for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves it is a gift of GOD!! it is ovious you are not saved if you think man made faith can save you no where in the bible does it says that a person can believe apert from GOD you sir are a humanist!!
@revulayshun Moses did not get to go to the promised land, because he demonstrated that he did not have faith in God at one point in the journey. But there was another reason, too. Moses represented the law. And under the law of Moses shall no man be justified. However, Caleb and Joshua demonstrated faith. The promised land is not just the physical land of Israel. The story of the promised land is a spiritual story of heaven itself, but the carnal is the physical land of Israel.
My husband and I have been called many things just for wanting to teach the church how to preach the gospel and share God with people outside the walls. It can be a lonesome place, but it is encouraging to always find true believers who understand how it feels. Christ alone! He is worthy :)
Gosh Lane, why are you so inferior? The guy on thirdeaglebooks channel was actually mentioned by God himself in the Book of Revelations. Can't you do as well? I'm surprised at you.
Hmm no. Lane is not a troublemaker. He is a poster boy for the 'Elect Only' club, yes. But a troublemaker? No. You have to actually allow your mind to take in the bile spewed from his mouth before he becomes a troublemaker to your heart, soul and common sense.
Dear Patriotsfan1379, Forgive me, but your sentence is quite garbled. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Again, "sola" does NOT = "ALL." Sola means ONLY. "All" does not equal "Only." Logic is on my side on this point. Sola scriptura actually leads to disunity in the body and ultimately post-modern relativism. Think about it. Rephrase your comment so it is understandable to me, and I will attempt to comment again if necessary. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
easier said than done. the implication of the author's comments was that he had it right. But if we are carnal in fruit we will be carnal in mind. to us the gospel will be unacceptable which means that our honest beliefs will be wrong, or our sound doctrine is dishonest. how can a carnal mind interpret the bible? the author does not even seem to notice the problem. personal relationship with the Spirit the bible is about is the answer, and that is even rarer than sound doctrinal statement
put it this way. *I* have corrupted the gospel with heretical minsundertanding and distortion, until we as sinners admit this, each and every one of us, under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit we will NEVER come to honest belief in sound doctrine. it is our hard effort in trying to be correct when it is against our very natures that causes the division.
we do not know the lord, we do not trust him and do not love him. without admitting these things we wil be only bible moths going nowhere
Sola Scriptura LEADS to Post-modernist "theology." The bible doesn't say ONLY scripture is profitable. . .it says ALL scripture is profitable. . . ALL doesn't equal SOLA (ONLY).
@jebeau83 they are both talking about the same thing sola scriptura means only but only the bible the whole bible it agrees with all scripture since that is also talking about the whole bible
They all teach from the same book, yet have so many different denominations. How is it then that so many do not realize it is of the devil? Take truth and corrupt it, and it is easier for people to swallow.
The first mistake of which leads to an endless path of mistakes , is to think the Bible contains the "truth" of which can then be used to manipulate and control weak minds!
@rolynstone48 The ancient Hebrew word for truth is synonymous with God so that the words of Jesus such as "you shall know the truth..." can also be interpreted as "You shall know God and God shall make you free."
hi lanech could you tell me please what religion are you and the man of the video? 'couse i've been traing to discovered what religion are you guys...(sorry if my english is not so good, i'm argentinean and i'm studying english yet haha)..and another question, do you save saturday or sunday?
You're absolutely right. I have tried to point out that Christians must obey ALL 10 Commandments and abandon idolotry in "Sunday" worship in place of the Bible Sabbath. I was kicked out my church.
@clarkewi thats because you are a crackhead. what gives you the right to reject Paul as an apostle? You are utterly clueless about the law, let alone the rest of the scriptures. Even Peter calls pauls epistles "Scripture" on the same level as the Old testament. Do you think Jews only had the duty to keep the 10 commandments? You need to actually study some scripture son.
@TheHellbinder Nazarene "Pillars" - James, Peter and John (Revelator). Paul never met Jesus, was not Judean, and almost stoned by the Nazarenes for "speaking against the Laws of Moses" (Acts 15:21). The Pillars,not Paul the Greek are final doctrine authorities. "Paulian Gospel" led to Nicolaitan (Acts 6:5) apostates whom Jesus hated (Revelation). These became Roman Catholic Vatican assassins and Protestant apostate "Sun" day keepers. The mark of Beast. This is why the church is fragmented.
@clarkewi That depends on how you went about it. We obey the commandments out of Love for God. Not out of trying to please Him out of our own deeds, is that what you tried to do? I know the works we do should be evidence of our faith.
@Tomekwinxs Jesus said I come not to bring peace but a sword, that is a spiritual sword. ( say it that way, so some don't think I mean a literal one) and go and kill people. Jesus brough peace between the Father and mankind.
What is the purpose those who disagree , disagree those who agree, agree.The false see you as false.Just preach the Word let the truth fall where it will.Especially if you believe sovreignty
Let's get something straight, there are VERY FEW followers of Christ. Most people are unregenerate church people who have no spirit! Forced conversions of children creates generations of false converst in the pews.
THE WHOLE TROUBLE WITH THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS THAT ISRAELITES must believe that Jesus preaches the TRUE GOD RELIGION and Israelites have gone against God.
This scenario is now 'exploded to the whole world ' to mean:
1) Hindus must believe in Jesus' words.
2) Buddhist must believe in Jesus' words.
3) Muslims must believe in Jesus' words.
4) and ALL IN THE WORLD must too!!!!
THE ONE WORLD STANDARD RELIGION that is now being engineered IS THE PROBLEM.
"that is now being engineered"-dude Christianity isn't a James Bond villian.
"must believe in Jesus' words"-no one is forcing christianity down anybody's throat.
now, if they don't want to spend an eternity seperated from God than yeah, they must believe in Jesus' words. But all religions have stipulations like that. It's just that more people prefer Christianity. So what?
@peacemetta There is ONE God and HIS Laws (The 10 Commandments and Laws of Noah) as found in the Bible. How one comes to this realization cannot be legislated - that is what Jesus revealed. The Pharisees were obsessed with minute legalisms to avoid keeping God's Laws - "Going through the motions". Luther saw this with Papal "indulgences". Jesus message was about one's INTENTIONS not APPEARANCES. That DEEDS trump everything else. This is the exact opposite of X rated "Roman (Paulian) Xtianity"
I like the title, hahahah. You know I was recently labelled as 'poisonous' to the youth of the charismatic church I just came out of. they said I was contaminating the youth with reformed theology. I only came across reformed theology last year through watching Lane's vids of Paul Washer and reading up on Material by the likes of Spurgeon, Calvin, Whitefield etc. I have since left the chucy and joined a Baptist Church, I was so close to being banned from the charismatic church...
@MGQ0225 Stand firm. It's ironic that the emergent/seeker sensitive church says that reformed theology is legalistic and theology/doctrine is just a distraction from how we should be more like Christ. Yet - that mindset is a theology in itself. Paul corrected Peter around the Judaizers. Was he being a troublemaker?
This is why it's so very important to remember when reading scripture to apply 3 principles. #1 Who is speaking #2 To whom are they speaking #3 In what context is the scripture found. So many folks nowadays pull one or two verses out of context and build a whole doctrine (or denomination) around it. Following those 3 principles will help us all not to do that.
Mainly he posts stuff, but if he didn't have the guts to do it and to take a stand for it, many of us wouldn't have been exposed to all this good teaching!!
The real thing needed today is discernment. Not having discernment is worse than a gamble. In a gamble you might have fair odds, in this world everything is against you. That which is not for Christ is against Him. Only a correctly discerned Christianity is for real.
I agree, the paragraph on the upper right could have been written about me. I too now attend a Reformed Church after serving in the Mission field where I found nothing but the self-help heresy gospel driven by the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. God bless you Lane.
I just want to thank you Lane for the paragraph written at the side of this vid. It has really spurned me on, and I'm actually going to print off a copy and keep it with my bible. I recently came out of the pentecostal movement, and still have friends from within. To cut a long story short, the negativeness is rife from people I used to think were very genuine, because I now attend a reformed church. It was starting to get me down, but your passage has spurred me on. Thanks again and God Bless.
Pentacostalism is entertainment and experience based. Not exactly conducive to sound doctrine...
You might appreciate Oct31st1517's vids. He came out of Pentacostalism too.
I love Pentacostals and many in my family are Pentacostal. I just can't believe in what they teach because you have to read in to the text the Latter Rain teaching.
studier101 I agree. They are very experience based. Their gospel message is also very different in a lot of aspects, from the gifts, to even eschatology. The Lord makes it very clear about false gospel messages. People don't realize how dangerous it is. The movement cannot possibly be of God, as there can only be one truth, and i don't believe the Pentecostals suddenly found it after 1800 years. Although, I believe that there is genuine Christians within the movement.
Great video! It also shocks me when all the so called Christians spew hatred toward people, and do not practice what Jesus did, and I am talking about the attitude towards todays modern day lepers..... SEX OFFENDERS..... See my YouTube page and blog for more...
excellent vid, thanks for posting brother. Great source of encouragement, especially what you had written in the info box too! continue speaking the truth and sharing the truth. Love you all. God Bless
Loved the video! I agree with this man on tv, I have watched him many times, and I agreed with all his shows... exept the one he did on predestination, I disagree with that! But all others, he is a great speaker and teacher and I believe people can learn from him. People do shun the ones who bring the complete truth of God, Paul washer kind of truth. A lot of people in the church world today don't want to listen to that stuff, they rather stay in the soft and mushy gospel than to obey truth!
@Studier101 paul washer thinks God was mad at him becuase he bought a new hunting bow and that because he admired it he was worshiping it as "god". yeah this is after years of sacrifice and ministry. You people have a TWISTED view of God and lift up teachers with TWISTED views of God. that is sad and a total lack of discernment. but why the suprise? calvanism is utter heresy and you guys have no problem scripture twisting whatever you need to agree with it.
@TheHellbinder I actually do recall that sermon with the bow illustration. Paul Washer's view of God, however, is not "twisted". Neither is the Calvinist view of God "twisted". It is difficult to respond because I don't know exactly what you believe to be twisted, and you take one statement of Washer's and then call him and all Calvinists "twisted". I assume you are against the Biblical Doctrines of Grace? Please refer to my Cannons of Dort videos.
How can there not be trouble increasing in the churches when the world -our nation is undeniably more wicked,evil,and sinful? most churches in my area have decreased their worship assemblys of God.& added their own substitutes.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not Forsaking the Assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
yes is the answer there are always more than one interpretation to the word of god ... i say it because we all use our flawed selves to see hear and understand it ...He never changes and his word will never change but WE DO..!!We grow and don't believe as we did last year ..doctorinally we aren't jumping ship or flipping on universal truths but I think it's amusing to hear anyone claim the absolute understanding of gods word .. we know in part .. his ways are above our ways .blessed be tnotl
The Bible is black or white. It is the Word of God, plain and simple, and it is simple to understand, so simple that all men can read the Gospel and be drawn to the Lord.
Christianity is Bible based, and our Bible is yea and amen.
I can only assume you know nothing either of men or the Bible.
"All Men can read the gospel?" Oh really? does that include those unfortunate enough to have mental retardation or for some other reason be illiterate?
You can't possibly even begin to claim that "All Men" can read and understand the Gospel. (If by "The Gospel" you mean the texts of scripture)
The Word of God is not simple. It is not simple because real things never are. Made up things are simple. Real things are complex.
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I just wanted to give my two cents to a nimrod statement. Grey huh? So, your opinion is truth and therefore black and white, but the word of God is grey? Seems you have the monopoly on truth. The Scriptures are filled w/ propostitions to be believed. If you dont believe them just be honest and say so. Dont give us this doodoo that they are grey. what you are really saying is humanism is your god. Moshe
I have experienced this also. I had just gone to the youth bible study at my church for the first time. I was talking about how people need to be true to God and that when you get saved some things to have to let go of. And I said that people cannot live double lives. They attacked me and said I can't go around telling people that. They told me everyone doesn't have to live like that. They even told me that what I was saying was unbiblical.
As a babe in Christ I did not know the scriptures to back up what I was saying so I just stayed quiet. I felt trampled,wounded,& hurt by these people. I came there to seek God but God wasn't there. Only lukewarmness, hyproicrisy, and compromise was there. Because of other ungodly things in the church such as yoga, holy hip hop,seeker friendly preaching I have decided to leave that church. I believe I found another good one. I pray that I will get the instruction that I need there.
Jesus preached against traditions of men.And today the splits are just that,Prfessions of faith read in most churched are not open for correction,Are they? Nope, we beleive in one holy roman church,Luthern,methodist say this every sun moning,,But both have left that church and started there own,So why keep bowing to what you say you dont beleive in??Sound retarded? It is.
In the words of William Webster "The promotion of unity at the expense of truth is satanic; it is demonic; it is not true unity. It is not the unity of the Holy Spirit for He is the Spirit of Truth...the Scriptural command which we have in Ephesians to promote the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace is given to those who have a common foundation of truth. Truth by its very nature divides...Where you have appeal to unity at the expense of truth all you can produce is uniformity..."
love ya Lane... hey is it grace community church that makes these videos? I would love to point our pastor and deacons in the direction of ordering some of these!
Hi everyone. To see the real truth in scripture please visit bible-truthsDOTcom
It exposes the errors of mainstream doctrine concerning the myth of eternal torment(a pagan teaching), free will, aionios etc etc. Its surprising how wrong mainstream doctrine is!! The scriptures clearly teach universal reconciliation!! See 1 cor 15:22, 1 tim 4:10
I just found Bibletruths the other day. While I agreed with his take on using sarcasm and harsh words, his abysmal hermeneutics in defense of his doctrine of NO eternal punishment was ... astonishing.
Actually, Ray at Bible Truths is right on the money. I could explain from my own study. Or actually what God showed me. Frankly I was shocked how much is in the bible that people just deny to satisfy their religion. Scripture has been twisted to please drive folks from Good News. We may as well be living in Old Testament days. Maybe we like suffering and causing pain to much to see the truth. When Jesus died that was when all was accomplished, Joh 19:30. Live free? Or die with sin. Ask God.
Um no... he's not. I could go through and document his fallacious reasoning and hermeneutical errors but it would take a LOT of time. For one thing, the reason words are translated differently in different places is because WORDS HAVE MORE THAN ONE MEANING depending on context. Doh.
The jehovahs witnesses tried to do that and there book doesnt make any sense. The bible is perfect as it is. If you try and change it, you will only fill it with mistakes and contradictions.
I just thought of something relevant to this- my favorite hero of the Christian faith is Athanasius, not just because he was a deacon, but because he had the guts to speak up for the truth. We might all be Arians today if it weren't for him!
I think he makes a compelling argument as to why we should contend for a single, correct interpretation of scripture. I also didn't see him as smug or arrogant; just fully persuaded of the need for truth. One question: is there ever a time to put differences aside and focus on the things we do agree upon? People always accuse Christians of disagreeing too much, but I wonder if that is exagerated. At the end of the day, I bet Christians agree with each other more than they do with the world.
Making this kind of "trouble" is the only way to protect the peace and purity of the church. How's that for an unpopular Evangelical statement!! The second most destructive problem in the Evangelical church is their unbiblical idea of unity. Many churches won't stand for anything and won't talk to one another about certain issues to maintain "peace". I find that tragic. Their #1 problem, of course, is that the gospel is not being preached.
Lane, the world needs more troublemakers like you. You are sincerely the BEST channel on YouTube. I'm so grateful for your videos. They've made a world of difference in my walk. As a matter of fact, one of them is responsible for waking me up out of American Cultural Christianity. I always hated it but I thought the problem was with ME, not with the "church." I thought, "How could all these churches be wrong?" I'm forever grateful to you. To God be ALL the glory!
It is not the KJVO movement who cause division but all these others pushing absurd translations based on minority texts. I have debated with the supporters of new age versions and they are arrogant, ill informed and can be easily defeated. Dr.White is, I believe, dishonest and selective in his quotes. "The KJVO movement is not of God". Really? Well, I disagree. For 400 years the KJV has been used by God to save souls. God wants his word to remain intact and accurate, not be up for grabs.
Elijah, your much beloved KJV was not always so popular. The Geneva Bible was the one used by the Puritans and was revised in 1609. Hmmm? Not only that but certain archaic expressions give the opposite meaning to what the authors intended. Also, it mistranslates certain words such as translating aeon as world in Matr 24:3 instead of age. This really added fuel to Bertrand Russel's fire in his book WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.BTW, the original Hebrew and Greek autographs are the Word of God. RLJ
B0thegirl has said one thing correct, "Not all who call themselves Christians are really children of God"; the Lord was very explicit when he said "if you love me you will obey what I command" (John 14:15) and this is where many so called "believers" are fooling themselves. If your life is not reflecting the character, love, actions and obedience of Jesus Christ you are not a true children of God. Many claim to "know" God, but does God know you? (Matthew 7:23)
IglesiaPeniel wrote "B0thegirl has said one thing correct"
Actually wrote all the things correctly according to scripture. Maybe, it isn't correct not according to man's many theologies. Test what people say according to scripture before. I studied long and hard before I understood.
Many are content with their milk that they get sick on the meat. I don't like putting my neck on the line so people can cut it off. I love God, and my Lord Jesus the Christ. I put them first before popularity.
Dear sister you should study the majority text and the minority text. You will be surprised at what you find out about which text and book is true and which is of the enemy. Remember the devil comes as an angel of light, 2Co 11:14. Don't think its strange that the enemy perverted the word right after it was written in the first century. Follow the text back in time.
livinfree123 wrote "majority text and the minority text."
What are these texts you are talking about? Perversion of the word can go both ways. I look at scripture as a whole. Ir cannot contradict itself. If it does then none can be trusted. Please explain a little more because i didn't really understand what you said.
Okay, I finally saw the video in full. It is the guy from TV I was thinking of. I never could stand the way he spoke. He is a fire and brimstone guy. Unfortunately, he doesn't understand the use of fire and brimstone in scripture. They are purifiers and healers. Look it up.
I think it's funny how he says there is only one way to interpret scripture. Let me guess... his way?
Scripture must be tested and verified against itself.
well perhaps were talking across points. In my understanding, Sodom was utterly destroyed, cut off, not "healed or purified" Maybe you mean that the land was purified after its destruction. "Heal" is an awfully strong word to use after God poured His wrath upon the cities and they were completely annihilated including its debased inhabitants.
Lane, I have to say this: you guys make and show some terrific videos, but I think that using non KJV bibles is causing division too. These new versions are of dubious origin to say the least and the committees who translate them have had RC priests, Lesbians and occultist liberals on them. I wince when I hear guys like Mark proclaiming an excellent message but quoting some inferior bible version (NIV,NASB, whatever).
I think you need to quit watching certain videos here on Youtube and think logically about these things. The KJVO movement has done more harm to the body than saying "makes" instead of "maketh" ever could. You're wincing because you're putting your tradition over thinking rationally. I realize this may offend you by saying it, but the truth usually does offend those who are in error. The KJVO movement is not of God.
You really show your ignorance, arrogance and prejudice by that reply. I have "thought logically about these things"; you have not, evidently. I have researched it and am still doing so. There is far more to it than "makes"/"maketh" . LOL. I "need to quit watching certain videos"; like which ones ? You mean I should start watch Dr. White's stuff again ? I have looked at his arguments and they do not stand up. You think Luther, Spurgeon etc. would support these new versions ? Think again.
"You really show your ignorance, arrogance and prejudice by that reply."
Well, I'll take your opinion into consideration only in respect to your "scholarly" stand upon things since I "haven't through logically about these things" and all. Have fun with your tradition. Don't expect others to take the same ignorant stand you do, though. We left making tradition our authority with the RCC, remember?
Oh, so your definition of "tradition" is accepting an accurate and much blessed version of the bible? And you equate that with RCC traditions ?! Wow. I think we can see who is making the "ignorant stand". This, my friend, is not a trivial matter. If you really value God's word then you will want to protect it from error.
I'm glad you think it is because there are people in your camp that hold to this. Think about this, though, if you hold that the KJV (which is only written in English) is God's Word how do you hold that those who don't read English are not reading God's Word and still remain consistent in your position if you don't consider the KJV to be just a good translation?
If they have a good accurate translation in their own tongue then , of course it counts as God's word. Were not most of the translations of the bible based on the Textus Receptus e.g. German, Russian, Spanish etc.
I always found this to be the greatest absurdity... so the spanish are all damned huh ?? poor non -english speaking will never know the truth .. sorry for seemingly banging on you lane .. If you hear it from others than heed the advice. I see the need to be correct as a pretty easy trap to fall into . .I subscribed because paul washer reminded me of myself
It is not right to be right and drive men from our lord ....A protester can be right but sreaming in someones face isn't going to win them any friends ...On some showing compassion and others wrath...Look if god tells you to yell in someones face yell away .. but each case is differant and it changes continually at all times .. we can't punch out quotes to support our own faults or flaws in evangelization..If the question is,,, Are there more than one intrepritation to scripture then obviously
@LaneCh OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWCH!!! I often get the "you're gonna push people away" response... THEY'RE ALREADY AWAY!!! For Christ's sake, let us speak, say something! I waited for a few years, then I watched my friends who people said would eventually turn from their sin to God dying, drug overdoses, drunk-driving, shootings. So is God a liar? I never saw a slice of fruit in thier lives, they died in immoral lifestyles, but they went to heaven? What deceit to the rest of the lost and backsld
Check out Gary F. Zeola's "Differences Between Bible Versions". It is a fairly comprehensive and simple introduction into the issues of translation, Bible versions, manuscripts, etc. It answered alot of questions for me that I had about the Bible versions topic, and it gave good answers that were hard for me to find elsewhere when there are so many arguments or ministers on each side.
LaneCh wrote "The KJVO movement has done more harm to the body than saying "makes" instead of "maketh" ever could."
You are so right about that . The best version to use is always the latest in your own language and has been tested by a panel of bible authorities. The NIV right now is one of, if not, the best.
The KJV was written in a poetic nature not for it's accuracy. The KJV has had 4 major revisions and over 75,000 word changes since 1611.
This guy sounds like the guy from the show Word Pictures or the way of the master. I can't stand to hear that self righteous tone. Oooo... I am right, you are wrong, I know the truth and you are going to hell. HA!
Not all who call themselves Christians really are. Christian isn't a title it is an action. Showing Gods love is the mark of a true Christian.
There are things in the bible that few know about. That is because we see through the glass darkly. Ask God For wisdom and he will give it.
(LaneCh said, " Well do you believe that if A is true then non-A cannot be true, too?") Sorry..What? please give context to your question. What is A and what is Non-A? I took Logic in college but can't remember what non means if that was even in the study. I won't answer until you clarify.
(LaneCh said,If a light is turned on, can it be turned off at the exact same time?")
Maybe you didn't understand me when I asked you to give context. To what are you replying? By the way yes a light can be turned off and on at the same time if there are 2 switches. Logic is a perfect formula with all things considered. You missed a piece.
Actually, no it can't. A light is either on or off. It's can't be both at the same time. I can't even continue this because your logic is faulty. Jesus is the logos. That says a lot about your stance.
Actually, the fault is yours in the definition of light. You said "turned on" which connotes a switch. You would have better served to say, 'can a lightbulb be on and off at the same time?"
The answer then would be no. I don't make the rules I just follow them. Logic is cool.
"The answer then would be no" actually because he missed a crucial piece of the law of non contradiction, "at the same time and in the same way" the possibility that a light could be both turned on and turned off at the same time but not in the same sense is entirely relevant.
Reply to B0thergirl's "Maybe you didn't understand me when I asked you to give context"
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LaneCh is talking about the law of non-contradiction. Forget about "a", "b", and "c" (they were frightening enough in Algebra!). The law of non-contradiction states that something can't be both true and not true at the same time and in the same respect. Example: my car cannot be parked at my house and at your house right now, but we could have two DIFFERENT cars parked at our houses, or move them, etc
Beth, Yes, "showing God's love is the mark of a true Christian." It is this very love that compels brother like Lane to dare to speak the truth even when it is unpopular. You would not be loving to knowingly permit someone to follow a course spiritually that led to damnation in hell, would you. If the truth is necessary for my salvation,better to offend me than withhold it in a confused attempt to spare my feelings.Also something cannot be both true and false at the same time in the same way.RLJ
Blogrich55 said "You would not be loving to knowingly permit someone to follow a course spiritually that led to damnation in hell, would you."
First, when did I say anything against what LaneCh said? I just said I didn't like his tone. That meant his presentation. His choice of voice. I only listened to about 60 seconds of this video. Secondly, If Lane were speaking the truth he would know the definition of Hell and damnation before using those words. His is just popular theology not truth.
studier101 said" Are you saying that Lane's "is popular theology" or Kielar's?"
I have no idea who Kielar is. Anyone who believes one goes to hell after death follows popular theology. Hell is for the physically living and spiritually dead. The Lake of Fire is not hell. Gehenna is hell. Gehenna is not used for the Lake of fire. This is not something that can be discussed in this limited space. Study the differences. The L.O.F is not everlasting. That was a misinterpretation of greek.
Does god consider the scriptures to be important? How important? What about the way they are represented by those that believe them? How important would god consider that? Yet the omnipotent god stood by and watched them be misinterpreted over and over again. I know xtians have supposedly satisfying explanations for this apparent ineptitude on god's part. They must be insane. Wake up people. The bible was written by men.
dymchurch1 3 months ago
I had no idea Jesus was British. lol
JediHobbit89 6 months ago
excellent video full of truth.
bluesmann8 6 months ago
If you are a Calvinist, IF there is divisions in the church, it was God's will to begin with, as everything that happens, it happens because he planned it all...NO FREE WILL. HE wrote the play, and we are just the actors. I wonder who will win the best supporting actor award?
chapmaned 7 months ago
@chapmaned - It was His decreed will, but His prescriptive (revealed) will to us is to contend for the faith. We entrust the results to Him.
revulayshun 5 months ago
@revulayshun Well, you can contend for your faith, and I will contend for mine, as it is revealed in my Bible. It's funny how we read the same Bible, well, mine is the KJV, and I know how much contempt that the Calvinists have for the KJV, and we both read something different. I contend for the faith based on a non-denomination that doesn't teach Augustine Original Doctrines from Catholicism. I entrust the results from him, too.
chapmaned 5 months ago
@chapmaned According to the KJV, are there any people who were pre-destined for salvation? How about for condemnation?
revulayshun 4 months ago
@revulayshun Yep...Christians as a whole are predestined to eternal life...not individuals predestined to be Christians. Calvinists tout exegesis, but without comprehension.
chapmaned 4 months ago
@revulayshun For example...God did not make Abraham have faith, God knew that Abraham would have faith...on his own...from his own heart. That's why Abraham was chosen. Either we believe that Jesus is the Christ, or we don't. It is our own choice. God does not force us to believe. But not according to the Calvinists, who tout Romans 9, but neglect Deuteronomy 1:39/Romans 4-7. Who got to go to the promised land? Those who had faith (Caleb/Joshua) & those who had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL.
chapmaned 4 months ago
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@chapmaned for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves it is a gift of GOD!! it is ovious you are not saved if you think man made faith can save you no where in the bible does it says that a person can believe apert from GOD you sir are a humanist!!
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@revulayshun Moses did not get to go to the promised land, because he demonstrated that he did not have faith in God at one point in the journey. But there was another reason, too. Moses represented the law. And under the law of Moses shall no man be justified. However, Caleb and Joshua demonstrated faith. The promised land is not just the physical land of Israel. The story of the promised land is a spiritual story of heaven itself, but the carnal is the physical land of Israel.
chapmaned 4 months ago
My husband and I have been called many things just for wanting to teach the church how to preach the gospel and share God with people outside the walls. It can be a lonesome place, but it is encouraging to always find true believers who understand how it feels. Christ alone! He is worthy :)
iamtamarichka 7 months ago
Gosh Lane, why are you so inferior? The guy on thirdeaglebooks channel was actually mentioned by God himself in the Book of Revelations. Can't you do as well? I'm surprised at you.
dymchurch1 7 months ago
Hmm no. Lane is not a troublemaker. He is a poster boy for the 'Elect Only' club, yes. But a troublemaker? No. You have to actually allow your mind to take in the bile spewed from his mouth before he becomes a troublemaker to your heart, soul and common sense.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 9 months ago
Dear Patriotsfan1379, Forgive me, but your sentence is quite garbled. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Again, "sola" does NOT = "ALL." Sola means ONLY. "All" does not equal "Only." Logic is on my side on this point. Sola scriptura actually leads to disunity in the body and ultimately post-modern relativism. Think about it. Rephrase your comment so it is understandable to me, and I will attempt to comment again if necessary. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
jebeau83 10 months ago
@jebeau83 am sorry there must be a mistake here I did not make that comment sorry I have not been to this channel I do like what he teaches though
patriotsfan1379 8 months ago
The TBN nut balls should see this.
jeffpoet 10 months ago
I needed to watch this.
StCausesARuckus 10 months ago
The Truth ? The WHOLE bible is a bunch of ridiculous BS...
ShamanicVoices 10 months ago
easier said than done. the implication of the author's comments was that he had it right. But if we are carnal in fruit we will be carnal in mind. to us the gospel will be unacceptable which means that our honest beliefs will be wrong, or our sound doctrine is dishonest. how can a carnal mind interpret the bible? the author does not even seem to notice the problem. personal relationship with the Spirit the bible is about is the answer, and that is even rarer than sound doctrinal statement
Strefanasha 11 months ago
put it this way. *I* have corrupted the gospel with heretical minsundertanding and distortion, until we as sinners admit this, each and every one of us, under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit we will NEVER come to honest belief in sound doctrine. it is our hard effort in trying to be correct when it is against our very natures that causes the division.
we do not know the lord, we do not trust him and do not love him. without admitting these things we wil be only bible moths going nowhere
Strefanasha 11 months ago
it's like the longest string of words that make sense but don't say anything.
stitty 11 months ago
Sola Scriptura LEADS to Post-modernist "theology." The bible doesn't say ONLY scripture is profitable. . .it says ALL scripture is profitable. . . ALL doesn't equal SOLA (ONLY).
jebeau83 1 year ago
@jebeau83 they are both talking about the same thing sola scriptura means only but only the bible the whole bible it agrees with all scripture since that is also talking about the whole bible
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Scripture itself doesn't support ONLY scripture. I stand by my previous comment. "ONLY Scripture" theology is not "scriptural."
jebeau83 8 months ago
They all teach from the same book, yet have so many different denominations. How is it then that so many do not realize it is of the devil? Take truth and corrupt it, and it is easier for people to swallow.
WilliamTapley 1 year ago
The first mistake of which leads to an endless path of mistakes , is to think the Bible contains the "truth" of which can then be used to manipulate and control weak minds!
rolynstone48 1 year ago
@rolynstone48 The ancient Hebrew word for truth is synonymous with God so that the words of Jesus such as "you shall know the truth..." can also be interpreted as "You shall know God and God shall make you free."
yarrw 1 year ago
The video say's people like, lane. I thought it was Jason. Like in Acts, or some say me. My name is Jason, (lol).
Shoots1978 1 year ago
hi lanech could you tell me please what religion are you and the man of the video? 'couse i've been traing to discovered what religion are you guys...(sorry if my english is not so good, i'm argentinean and i'm studying english yet haha)..and another question, do you save saturday or sunday?
elstealth09 1 year ago
You're absolutely right. I have tried to point out that Christians must obey ALL 10 Commandments and abandon idolotry in "Sunday" worship in place of the Bible Sabbath. I was kicked out my church.
clarkewi 1 year ago
@clarkewi thats because you are a crackhead. what gives you the right to reject Paul as an apostle? You are utterly clueless about the law, let alone the rest of the scriptures. Even Peter calls pauls epistles "Scripture" on the same level as the Old testament. Do you think Jews only had the duty to keep the 10 commandments? You need to actually study some scripture son.
TheHellbinder 1 year ago
@TheHellbinder Nazarene "Pillars" - James, Peter and John (Revelator). Paul never met Jesus, was not Judean, and almost stoned by the Nazarenes for "speaking against the Laws of Moses" (Acts 15:21). The Pillars,not Paul the Greek are final doctrine authorities. "Paulian Gospel" led to Nicolaitan (Acts 6:5) apostates whom Jesus hated (Revelation). These became Roman Catholic Vatican assassins and Protestant apostate "Sun" day keepers. The mark of Beast. This is why the church is fragmented.
clarkewi 1 year ago
@clarkewi That depends on how you went about it. We obey the commandments out of Love for God. Not out of trying to please Him out of our own deeds, is that what you tried to do? I know the works we do should be evidence of our faith.
Shoots1978 1 year ago
Or you could drop religion and be at peace.
Tomekwinxs 1 year ago
@Tomekwinxs Jesus said I come not to bring peace but a sword, that is a spiritual sword. ( say it that way, so some don't think I mean a literal one) and go and kill people. Jesus brough peace between the Father and mankind.
Shoots1978 1 year ago
What is the purpose those who disagree , disagree those who agree, agree.The false see you as false.Just preach the Word let the truth fall where it will.Especially if you believe sovreignty
polopowers1 1 year ago
Let's get something straight, there are VERY FEW followers of Christ. Most people are unregenerate church people who have no spirit! Forced conversions of children creates generations of false converst in the pews.
Pfsif 2 years ago 11
@Pfsif Amen. I couldn't have said it better. There are so many false converts that are being deceived that it is truly a shame.
reformedinchrist 11 months ago
@Pfsif ....and of course,YOU are 1 of those 'very few' right?
orangewizard 7 months ago
What a powerful quote from Luther...Wow.
jmhjmh5 2 years ago 5
Mark Kielar is an excellent teacher. I watch his programs whenever I get a chance.
xpander2k 2 years ago 7
AMEN!
Deesrickchevrolet 2 years ago 3
THE WHOLE TROUBLE WITH THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS THAT ISRAELITES must believe that Jesus preaches the TRUE GOD RELIGION and Israelites have gone against God.
This scenario is now 'exploded to the whole world ' to mean:
1) Hindus must believe in Jesus' words.
2) Buddhist must believe in Jesus' words.
3) Muslims must believe in Jesus' words.
4) and ALL IN THE WORLD must too!!!!
THE ONE WORLD STANDARD RELIGION that is now being engineered IS THE PROBLEM.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
peacemetta 2 years ago
If God is absolute and universally powerful then all must be absolutely and universally under his power. Do you not agree?
Revinius 2 years ago
"that is now being engineered"-dude Christianity isn't a James Bond villian.
"must believe in Jesus' words"-no one is forcing christianity down anybody's throat.
now, if they don't want to spend an eternity seperated from God than yeah, they must believe in Jesus' words. But all religions have stipulations like that. It's just that more people prefer Christianity. So what?
33388665599 2 years ago
and u think Christianity is the "one world standard religion"?
Scottles293 2 years ago
@peacemetta There is ONE God and HIS Laws (The 10 Commandments and Laws of Noah) as found in the Bible. How one comes to this realization cannot be legislated - that is what Jesus revealed. The Pharisees were obsessed with minute legalisms to avoid keeping God's Laws - "Going through the motions". Luther saw this with Papal "indulgences". Jesus message was about one's INTENTIONS not APPEARANCES. That DEEDS trump everything else. This is the exact opposite of X rated "Roman (Paulian) Xtianity"
clarkewi 1 year ago
I like the title, hahahah. You know I was recently labelled as 'poisonous' to the youth of the charismatic church I just came out of. they said I was contaminating the youth with reformed theology. I only came across reformed theology last year through watching Lane's vids of Paul Washer and reading up on Material by the likes of Spurgeon, Calvin, Whitefield etc. I have since left the chucy and joined a Baptist Church, I was so close to being banned from the charismatic church...
MGQ0225 2 years ago 11
How dare you inject the venom of God's Word into those poor, unsuspecting youth!
Dude. I hear ya. But poisonous? Thats a new one to me.
Brutangel22 2 years ago 2
@MGQ0225 Stand firm. It's ironic that the emergent/seeker sensitive church says that reformed theology is legalistic and theology/doctrine is just a distraction from how we should be more like Christ. Yet - that mindset is a theology in itself. Paul corrected Peter around the Judaizers. Was he being a troublemaker?
PSUIVERSON 1 year ago
@MGQ0225
God bless you!
toobfunnybunny 1 year ago
@MGQ0225 it was the best thing that ever happened to you you were unequally yoked hope you doing good keep reading keep going till the end GOD BLESS
patriotsfan1379 10 months ago
@MGQ0225 it was good that you left you were unequaly yoked
patriotsfan1379 8 months ago
omaha churches like christ community church have said
People Like billiefan2000 Are Just Troublemakers in the Body!!!"
I only wish more people in my town stood up to false teachers and apostasy
I am happy that I maybe alone in my town of Omaha Nebraska
but at least I know there are others who standing up for the truth like I am.
god bless you, Lane Chapin and Paul washer
billiefan2000 2 years ago
wow. you guys are gay... really
really
gay..
o not the happy.
the prison type!
the ones that dont want to be there.
that type of gay.
AlecMcMuffin 2 years ago
Jesus was crucified for speaking TRUTH!
CeeLeeToo 3 years ago 3
Dont worry, when the 7th angel comes from heaven in REV 10verse10 the mistery of God shall be known
Jesustrekker 3 years ago
This is why it's so very important to remember when reading scripture to apply 3 principles. #1 Who is speaking #2 To whom are they speaking #3 In what context is the scripture found. So many folks nowadays pull one or two verses out of context and build a whole doctrine (or denomination) around it. Following those 3 principles will help us all not to do that.
jimclbn 3 years ago 2
Good message!!
shellieida 3 years ago
The bible interprets itself; it defines its own terms.
trekyz 3 years ago
People like Lane are servants of the Body!!!
Mainly he posts stuff, but if he didn't have the guts to do it and to take a stand for it, many of us wouldn't have been exposed to all this good teaching!!
The real thing needed today is discernment. Not having discernment is worse than a gamble. In a gamble you might have fair odds, in this world everything is against you. That which is not for Christ is against Him. Only a correctly discerned Christianity is for real.
Studier101 3 years ago 4
I agree, the paragraph on the upper right could have been written about me. I too now attend a Reformed Church after serving in the Mission field where I found nothing but the self-help heresy gospel driven by the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. God bless you Lane.
firemantimk 3 years ago 2
I just want to thank you Lane for the paragraph written at the side of this vid. It has really spurned me on, and I'm actually going to print off a copy and keep it with my bible. I recently came out of the pentecostal movement, and still have friends from within. To cut a long story short, the negativeness is rife from people I used to think were very genuine, because I now attend a reformed church. It was starting to get me down, but your passage has spurred me on. Thanks again and God Bless.
savedbyYeshua 3 years ago 2
Pentacostalism is entertainment and experience based. Not exactly conducive to sound doctrine...
You might appreciate Oct31st1517's vids. He came out of Pentacostalism too.
I love Pentacostals and many in my family are Pentacostal. I just can't believe in what they teach because you have to read in to the text the Latter Rain teaching.
Studier101 3 years ago
studier101 I agree. They are very experience based. Their gospel message is also very different in a lot of aspects, from the gifts, to even eschatology. The Lord makes it very clear about false gospel messages. People don't realize how dangerous it is. The movement cannot possibly be of God, as there can only be one truth, and i don't believe the Pentecostals suddenly found it after 1800 years. Although, I believe that there is genuine Christians within the movement.
savedbyYeshua 3 years ago
Sorry, referring to my last comment, I should have said 1900 years.
savedbyYeshua 3 years ago
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Isaiah 56:10
zionsgates 3 years ago
Great video! It also shocks me when all the so called Christians spew hatred toward people, and do not practice what Jesus did, and I am talking about the attitude towards todays modern day lepers..... SEX OFFENDERS..... See my YouTube page and blog for more...
SexOffenderIssues 3 years ago
excellent vid, thanks for posting brother. Great source of encouragement, especially what you had written in the info box too! continue speaking the truth and sharing the truth. Love you all. God Bless
GodsWordIsTruth 3 years ago
Loved the video! I agree with this man on tv, I have watched him many times, and I agreed with all his shows... exept the one he did on predestination, I disagree with that! But all others, he is a great speaker and teacher and I believe people can learn from him. People do shun the ones who bring the complete truth of God, Paul washer kind of truth. A lot of people in the church world today don't want to listen to that stuff, they rather stay in the soft and mushy gospel than to obey truth!
rocka700 3 years ago
"Paul washer kind of truth"
I might borrow this...
Paul Washer, by the grace of God, is a very good example of true preaching. Praise God!
Studier101 3 years ago 4
@Studier101 paul washer thinks God was mad at him becuase he bought a new hunting bow and that because he admired it he was worshiping it as "god". yeah this is after years of sacrifice and ministry. You people have a TWISTED view of God and lift up teachers with TWISTED views of God. that is sad and a total lack of discernment. but why the suprise? calvanism is utter heresy and you guys have no problem scripture twisting whatever you need to agree with it.
TheHellbinder 1 year ago
@TheHellbinder I actually do recall that sermon with the bow illustration. Paul Washer's view of God, however, is not "twisted". Neither is the Calvinist view of God "twisted". It is difficult to respond because I don't know exactly what you believe to be twisted, and you take one statement of Washer's and then call him and all Calvinists "twisted". I assume you are against the Biblical Doctrines of Grace? Please refer to my Cannons of Dort videos.
Studier101 1 year ago
How can there not be trouble increasing in the churches when the world -our nation is undeniably more wicked,evil,and sinful? most churches in my area have decreased their worship assemblys of God.& added their own substitutes.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not Forsaking the Assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
dadgramps 3 years ago
I've gotten over political correctness when I began my polemics against Islam.
It's too annoying trying to please everybody, I'd rather do everything in my power to please YHWH.
Glorthac 3 years ago
Lane, you're such a troublemaker! Thanks for that. Keep it up.
NoWorries88 3 years ago
"Troubler of Israel" :-)
We need more "troublers" in this world.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
yes is the answer there are always more than one interpretation to the word of god ... i say it because we all use our flawed selves to see hear and understand it ...He never changes and his word will never change but WE DO..!!We grow and don't believe as we did last year ..doctorinally we aren't jumping ship or flipping on universal truths but I think it's amusing to hear anyone claim the absolute understanding of gods word .. we know in part .. his ways are above our ways .blessed be tnotl
zwreckless1 3 years ago
My yoke is EASY and my burden Light... that don't sound complex...
Littlezombie 3 years ago
Hilarious.
What is this? Christianity for those with anankastic personality disorder?
There seems to be a huge amount of fear about any degree of "greyness".
The Bible, I'm afraid, is Grey. It is not black and white. This daft little video claims that there is "one correct interpretation of every verse".
What absolute rubbish. There are entire sections of the Bible that we do not understand.
stu1002 3 years ago
"There are entire sections of the Bible that we do not understand."
Name one.
Also, do you believe there is a such thing as absolute truth?
LaneCh 3 years ago
The Bible is black or white. It is the Word of God, plain and simple, and it is simple to understand, so simple that all men can read the Gospel and be drawn to the Lord.
Christianity is Bible based, and our Bible is yea and amen.
aheart4christ 3 years ago 2
I can only assume you know nothing either of men or the Bible.
"All Men can read the gospel?" Oh really? does that include those unfortunate enough to have mental retardation or for some other reason be illiterate?
You can't possibly even begin to claim that "All Men" can read and understand the Gospel. (If by "The Gospel" you mean the texts of scripture)
The Word of God is not simple. It is not simple because real things never are. Made up things are simple. Real things are complex.
stu1002 3 years ago
The Bible agrees with you, stu, in this respect:
But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(1Co 2:14)
An unregenerate man cannot discern the things of the Spirit of God.
As for our conversation, though, do you believe that there is a such thing as absolute truth?
LaneCh 3 years ago
I just wanted to give my two cents to a nimrod statement. Grey huh? So, your opinion is truth and therefore black and white, but the word of God is grey? Seems you have the monopoly on truth. The Scriptures are filled w/ propostitions to be believed. If you dont believe them just be honest and say so. Dont give us this doodoo that they are grey. what you are really saying is humanism is your god. Moshe
callednchosen 3 years ago
I have experienced this also. I had just gone to the youth bible study at my church for the first time. I was talking about how people need to be true to God and that when you get saved some things to have to let go of. And I said that people cannot live double lives. They attacked me and said I can't go around telling people that. They told me everyone doesn't have to live like that. They even told me that what I was saying was unbiblical.
sdavissmiley 3 years ago 3
As a babe in Christ I did not know the scriptures to back up what I was saying so I just stayed quiet. I felt trampled,wounded,& hurt by these people. I came there to seek God but God wasn't there. Only lukewarmness, hyproicrisy, and compromise was there. Because of other ungodly things in the church such as yoga, holy hip hop,seeker friendly preaching I have decided to leave that church. I believe I found another good one. I pray that I will get the instruction that I need there.
sdavissmiley 3 years ago 2
Keep Standing.
You spoke the truth. God will remember that.
redsonja84 3 years ago
Jesus preached against traditions of men.And today the splits are just that,Prfessions of faith read in most churched are not open for correction,Are they? Nope, we beleive in one holy roman church,Luthern,methodist say this every sun moning,,But both have left that church and started there own,So why keep bowing to what you say you dont beleive in??Sound retarded? It is.
sidebarr7 3 years ago
In the words of William Webster "The promotion of unity at the expense of truth is satanic; it is demonic; it is not true unity. It is not the unity of the Holy Spirit for He is the Spirit of Truth...the Scriptural command which we have in Ephesians to promote the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace is given to those who have a common foundation of truth. Truth by its very nature divides...Where you have appeal to unity at the expense of truth all you can produce is uniformity..."
thrufaithalone 3 years ago 3
Wonderful quote. Do you have a link to the primary source?
LaneCh 3 years ago
It's from an audio portion of "Mary- Imaculate Conception-Perpetual Virginity" at
christiantruthdotcomforwardslashrealaudiodothtml
The audio may also be available in transcript form on line-some of the audios are virtually word for word from Webster's books.
thrufaithalone 3 years ago
Thanks!
LaneCh 3 years ago
Wow, that is a wonderful quote...that might have to go up on my blog :) Thanks for posting that, thrufaithalone.
denyyourself20 3 years ago
Can someone please tell me WHO this guy is!? He is freakin brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ejaystube 3 years ago
It's Mark Kielar. He's the president of CrossTV and minister at First Baptist Church of Boynton Beach.
LaneCh 3 years ago
lane, do you have podcasts via itunes?
undivided809 3 years ago
No, but a few friends of mine from around the net have been discussing starting one. I'll make a video if it happens to let people know.
LaneCh 3 years ago
love ya Lane... hey is it grace community church that makes these videos? I would love to point our pastor and deacons in the direction of ordering some of these!
terriergal 3 years ago 3
Hey, terriergal. I have missed seeing you in #pros. This is a documentary by CrossTV. You can order all the videos at crosstv(.)com.
LaneCh 3 years ago
Hi everyone. To see the real truth in scripture please visit bible-truthsDOTcom
It exposes the errors of mainstream doctrine concerning the myth of eternal torment(a pagan teaching), free will, aionios etc etc. Its surprising how wrong mainstream doctrine is!! The scriptures clearly teach universal reconciliation!! See 1 cor 15:22, 1 tim 4:10
Praise God
llstevej 3 years ago
I just found Bibletruths the other day. While I agreed with his take on using sarcasm and harsh words, his abysmal hermeneutics in defense of his doctrine of NO eternal punishment was ... astonishing.
terriergal 3 years ago
Actually, Ray at Bible Truths is right on the money. I could explain from my own study. Or actually what God showed me. Frankly I was shocked how much is in the bible that people just deny to satisfy their religion. Scripture has been twisted to please drive folks from Good News. We may as well be living in Old Testament days. Maybe we like suffering and causing pain to much to see the truth. When Jesus died that was when all was accomplished, Joh 19:30. Live free? Or die with sin. Ask God.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Um no... he's not. I could go through and document his fallacious reasoning and hermeneutical errors but it would take a LOT of time. For one thing, the reason words are translated differently in different places is because WORDS HAVE MORE THAN ONE MEANING depending on context. Doh.
terriergal 3 years ago
Doh. :-) that was cute.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
The jehovahs witnesses tried to do that and there book doesnt make any sense. The bible is perfect as it is. If you try and change it, you will only fill it with mistakes and contradictions.
fishboi87 3 years ago
Keep on making trouble lane, we need "troublemakers" now more than ever.
dkshotwell 3 years ago 2
lane just laid the smack down
themoderateextremist 3 years ago 3
Lane Ch - you are a blessing Thanks so much for putting these videos up.They do put things in perspective. I pray that Christians would take heed.
ThirdProverb 3 years ago 2
I just thought of something relevant to this- my favorite hero of the Christian faith is Athanasius, not just because he was a deacon, but because he had the guts to speak up for the truth. We might all be Arians today if it weren't for him!
bberchin 3 years ago 2
I think he makes a compelling argument as to why we should contend for a single, correct interpretation of scripture. I also didn't see him as smug or arrogant; just fully persuaded of the need for truth. One question: is there ever a time to put differences aside and focus on the things we do agree upon? People always accuse Christians of disagreeing too much, but I wonder if that is exagerated. At the end of the day, I bet Christians agree with each other more than they do with the world.
KyleVonMour 3 years ago
Great video, Lane. It's in my favorites.
bberchin 3 years ago
Making this kind of "trouble" is the only way to protect the peace and purity of the church. How's that for an unpopular Evangelical statement!! The second most destructive problem in the Evangelical church is their unbiblical idea of unity. Many churches won't stand for anything and won't talk to one another about certain issues to maintain "peace". I find that tragic. Their #1 problem, of course, is that the gospel is not being preached.
bberchin 3 years ago
Lane, the world needs more troublemakers like you. You are sincerely the BEST channel on YouTube. I'm so grateful for your videos. They've made a world of difference in my walk. As a matter of fact, one of them is responsible for waking me up out of American Cultural Christianity. I always hated it but I thought the problem was with ME, not with the "church." I thought, "How could all these churches be wrong?" I'm forever grateful to you. To God be ALL the glory!
VideoJudgment 3 years ago 2
amen
EZEKIEL3622 3 years ago
Great video. What mark Kielar says here is so true.
leojleoj 3 years ago
The reason I ask is because the seats/pews seem like a great idea which will satisfy both groups of seat aficionados.
RickFrueh 3 years ago
What church (the large one) is the one that you open in?
RickFrueh 3 years ago
I'm not sure which one that is.
LaneCh 3 years ago
Yup I am a trouble maker in my own church.
FMPastorTodd 3 years ago
Why do you block my comments ?
elijahsraven 3 years ago
I don't. I just don't wait around for you to make them so I can approve them right away.
LaneCh 3 years ago
It is not the KJVO movement who cause division but all these others pushing absurd translations based on minority texts. I have debated with the supporters of new age versions and they are arrogant, ill informed and can be easily defeated. Dr.White is, I believe, dishonest and selective in his quotes. "The KJVO movement is not of God". Really? Well, I disagree. For 400 years the KJV has been used by God to save souls. God wants his word to remain intact and accurate, not be up for grabs.
elijahsraven 3 years ago
Elijah, your much beloved KJV was not always so popular. The Geneva Bible was the one used by the Puritans and was revised in 1609. Hmmm? Not only that but certain archaic expressions give the opposite meaning to what the authors intended. Also, it mistranslates certain words such as translating aeon as world in Matr 24:3 instead of age. This really added fuel to Bertrand Russel's fire in his book WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.BTW, the original Hebrew and Greek autographs are the Word of God. RLJ
Blogrich55 3 years ago
P.S. You're not a troublemaker, bro...just an inspiration to young guys like me
YoungCalvinist08 3 years ago
My friend got kicked out for tearing down a PDM poster, as he couldn't endorse his theology...
YoungCalvinist08 3 years ago
PDM poster?
2corinthians710 3 years ago
Purpose Driven Movement...I really need to learn about clarity LOL
YoungCalvinist08 3 years ago
your videos are a valuable resource...thanks!
blue13245 3 years ago
B0thegirl has said one thing correct, "Not all who call themselves Christians are really children of God"; the Lord was very explicit when he said "if you love me you will obey what I command" (John 14:15) and this is where many so called "believers" are fooling themselves. If your life is not reflecting the character, love, actions and obedience of Jesus Christ you are not a true children of God. Many claim to "know" God, but does God know you? (Matthew 7:23)
IglesiaPeniel 3 years ago
IglesiaPeniel wrote "B0thegirl has said one thing correct"
Actually wrote all the things correctly according to scripture. Maybe, it isn't correct not according to man's many theologies. Test what people say according to scripture before. I studied long and hard before I understood.
Many are content with their milk that they get sick on the meat. I don't like putting my neck on the line so people can cut it off. I love God, and my Lord Jesus the Christ. I put them first before popularity.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Dear sister you should study the majority text and the minority text. You will be surprised at what you find out about which text and book is true and which is of the enemy. Remember the devil comes as an angel of light, 2Co 11:14. Don't think its strange that the enemy perverted the word right after it was written in the first century. Follow the text back in time.
livinfree123 3 years ago
livinfree123 wrote "majority text and the minority text."
What are these texts you are talking about? Perversion of the word can go both ways. I look at scripture as a whole. Ir cannot contradict itself. If it does then none can be trusted. Please explain a little more because i didn't really understand what you said.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Okay, I finally saw the video in full. It is the guy from TV I was thinking of. I never could stand the way he spoke. He is a fire and brimstone guy. Unfortunately, he doesn't understand the use of fire and brimstone in scripture. They are purifiers and healers. Look it up.
I think it's funny how he says there is only one way to interpret scripture. Let me guess... his way?
Scripture must be tested and verified against itself.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
with all respect, did it purify and heal Sodom?
waylifetruth 3 years ago
Waylifetruth wrote "with all respect, did it purify and heal Sodom?"
ABSOLUTLY!
B0thergirl 3 years ago
well perhaps were talking across points. In my understanding, Sodom was utterly destroyed, cut off, not "healed or purified" Maybe you mean that the land was purified after its destruction. "Heal" is an awfully strong word to use after God poured His wrath upon the cities and they were completely annihilated including its debased inhabitants.
waylifetruth 3 years ago
That is why we have the Holy Spirit, it is He who brings us to all truth, for He testifies to us the truth of, The Word Of God.
valambiguous 3 years ago
Lane, I have to say this: you guys make and show some terrific videos, but I think that using non KJV bibles is causing division too. These new versions are of dubious origin to say the least and the committees who translate them have had RC priests, Lesbians and occultist liberals on them. I wince when I hear guys like Mark proclaiming an excellent message but quoting some inferior bible version (NIV,NASB, whatever).
elijahsraven 3 years ago
I think you need to quit watching certain videos here on Youtube and think logically about these things. The KJVO movement has done more harm to the body than saying "makes" instead of "maketh" ever could. You're wincing because you're putting your tradition over thinking rationally. I realize this may offend you by saying it, but the truth usually does offend those who are in error. The KJVO movement is not of God.
LaneCh 3 years ago
You really show your ignorance, arrogance and prejudice by that reply. I have "thought logically about these things"; you have not, evidently. I have researched it and am still doing so. There is far more to it than "makes"/"maketh" . LOL. I "need to quit watching certain videos"; like which ones ? You mean I should start watch Dr. White's stuff again ? I have looked at his arguments and they do not stand up. You think Luther, Spurgeon etc. would support these new versions ? Think again.
elijahsraven 3 years ago
"You really show your ignorance, arrogance and prejudice by that reply."
Well, I'll take your opinion into consideration only in respect to your "scholarly" stand upon things since I "haven't through logically about these things" and all. Have fun with your tradition. Don't expect others to take the same ignorant stand you do, though. We left making tradition our authority with the RCC, remember?
LaneCh 3 years ago
Oh, so your definition of "tradition" is accepting an accurate and much blessed version of the bible? And you equate that with RCC traditions ?! Wow. I think we can see who is making the "ignorant stand". This, my friend, is not a trivial matter. If you really value God's word then you will want to protect it from error.
elijahsraven 3 years ago
And that, I am. If a person only knows Chinese, do you hold that they have to learn English in order to really know "God's Word - the KJV"?
LaneCh 3 years ago
Don't be absurd.
elijahsraven 3 years ago
I'm glad you think it is because there are people in your camp that hold to this. Think about this, though, if you hold that the KJV (which is only written in English) is God's Word how do you hold that those who don't read English are not reading God's Word and still remain consistent in your position if you don't consider the KJV to be just a good translation?
LaneCh 3 years ago
If they have a good accurate translation in their own tongue then , of course it counts as God's word. Were not most of the translations of the bible based on the Textus Receptus e.g. German, Russian, Spanish etc.
elijahsraven 3 years ago
I always found this to be the greatest absurdity... so the spanish are all damned huh ?? poor non -english speaking will never know the truth .. sorry for seemingly banging on you lane .. If you hear it from others than heed the advice. I see the need to be correct as a pretty easy trap to fall into . .I subscribed because paul washer reminded me of myself
zwreckless1 3 years ago
I'm confused, do you not hold that it's right to be right?
LaneCh 3 years ago
It is not right to be right and drive men from our lord ....A protester can be right but sreaming in someones face isn't going to win them any friends ...On some showing compassion and others wrath...Look if god tells you to yell in someones face yell away .. but each case is differant and it changes continually at all times .. we can't punch out quotes to support our own faults or flaws in evangelization..If the question is,,, Are there more than one intrepritation to scripture then obviously
zwreckless1 3 years ago
"It is not right to be right and drive men from our lord"
So you're holding that being wrong in doctrine brings men to the Lord?
LaneCh 3 years ago
@LaneCh OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWCH!!! I often get the "you're gonna push people away" response... THEY'RE ALREADY AWAY!!! For Christ's sake, let us speak, say something! I waited for a few years, then I watched my friends who people said would eventually turn from their sin to God dying, drug overdoses, drunk-driving, shootings. So is God a liar? I never saw a slice of fruit in thier lives, they died in immoral lifestyles, but they went to heaven? What deceit to the rest of the lost and backsld
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy See "Works" are the proof of grace. "Grace without works is dead letter." -James the Brother of Jesus.
clarkewi 1 year ago
"it is not right to be right"?
1. self-contradictory
2. it IS right to be right.
3. huh!?
stockholme 3 years ago
Check out Gary F. Zeola's "Differences Between Bible Versions". It is a fairly comprehensive and simple introduction into the issues of translation, Bible versions, manuscripts, etc. It answered alot of questions for me that I had about the Bible versions topic, and it gave good answers that were hard for me to find elsewhere when there are so many arguments or ministers on each side.
Studier101 3 years ago
LaneCh wrote "The KJVO movement has done more harm to the body than saying "makes" instead of "maketh" ever could."
You are so right about that . The best version to use is always the latest in your own language and has been tested by a panel of bible authorities. The NIV right now is one of, if not, the best.
The KJV was written in a poetic nature not for it's accuracy. The KJV has had 4 major revisions and over 75,000 word changes since 1611.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
This guy sounds like the guy from the show Word Pictures or the way of the master. I can't stand to hear that self righteous tone. Oooo... I am right, you are wrong, I know the truth and you are going to hell. HA!
Not all who call themselves Christians really are. Christian isn't a title it is an action. Showing Gods love is the mark of a true Christian.
There are things in the bible that few know about. That is because we see through the glass darkly. Ask God For wisdom and he will give it.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Well do you believe that if A is true then non-A cannot be true, too?
LaneCh 3 years ago
(LaneCh said, " Well do you believe that if A is true then non-A cannot be true, too?") Sorry..What? please give context to your question. What is A and what is Non-A? I took Logic in college but can't remember what non means if that was even in the study. I won't answer until you clarify.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
If a light is turned on, can it be turned off at the exact same time?
LaneCh 3 years ago
(LaneCh said,If a light is turned on, can it be turned off at the exact same time?")
Maybe you didn't understand me when I asked you to give context. To what are you replying? By the way yes a light can be turned off and on at the same time if there are 2 switches. Logic is a perfect formula with all things considered. You missed a piece.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Actually, no it can't. A light is either on or off. It's can't be both at the same time. I can't even continue this because your logic is faulty. Jesus is the logos. That says a lot about your stance.
LaneCh 3 years ago
Actually, the fault is yours in the definition of light. You said "turned on" which connotes a switch. You would have better served to say, 'can a lightbulb be on and off at the same time?"
The answer then would be no. I don't make the rules I just follow them. Logic is cool.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
"The answer then would be no" actually because he missed a crucial piece of the law of non contradiction, "at the same time and in the same way" the possibility that a light could be both turned on and turned off at the same time but not in the same sense is entirely relevant.
joness105639 3 years ago
What on earth is a light?
A high school diploma I have.
B or not to B explained.
C what I mean?
LOL!
Just playin' around,
but this was a very good video.
GraceofGod758 3 years ago
Reply to B0thergirl's "Maybe you didn't understand me when I asked you to give context"
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LaneCh is talking about the law of non-contradiction. Forget about "a", "b", and "c" (they were frightening enough in Algebra!). The law of non-contradiction states that something can't be both true and not true at the same time and in the same respect. Example: my car cannot be parked at my house and at your house right now, but we could have two DIFFERENT cars parked at our houses, or move them, etc
Studier101 3 years ago 2
Studier101 wrote "Forget about "a", "b", and "c" (they were frightening enough in Algebra!).
Oh, I had no idea what that was referring to. As I said before I did not listen to this vid. No wonder I was confused by the logic question.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Beth, Yes, "showing God's love is the mark of a true Christian." It is this very love that compels brother like Lane to dare to speak the truth even when it is unpopular. You would not be loving to knowingly permit someone to follow a course spiritually that led to damnation in hell, would you. If the truth is necessary for my salvation,better to offend me than withhold it in a confused attempt to spare my feelings.Also something cannot be both true and false at the same time in the same way.RLJ
Blogrich55 3 years ago
Blogrich55 said "You would not be loving to knowingly permit someone to follow a course spiritually that led to damnation in hell, would you."
First, when did I say anything against what LaneCh said? I just said I didn't like his tone. That meant his presentation. His choice of voice. I only listened to about 60 seconds of this video. Secondly, If Lane were speaking the truth he would know the definition of Hell and damnation before using those words. His is just popular theology not truth.
B0thergirl 3 years ago
Are you saying that Lane's "is popular theology" or Kielar's?
Studier101 3 years ago
studier101 said" Are you saying that Lane's "is popular theology" or Kielar's?"
I have no idea who Kielar is. Anyone who believes one goes to hell after death follows popular theology. Hell is for the physically living and spiritually dead. The Lake of Fire is not hell. Gehenna is hell. Gehenna is not used for the Lake of fire. This is not something that can be discussed in this limited space. Study the differences. The L.O.F is not everlasting. That was a misinterpretation of greek.
B0thergirl 3 years ago