It's not about "violence" vs. "non-violence" it's about effective action. Black Bloc seem to think they can beat capitalism by breaking its windows, and they can beat the cops by throwing stuff at them.
Capitalism can only be defeated by a mass working-class movement capable of taking over production. Such a movement can only be built by involving workers in their millions. And infantile play-radicalism like this just puts workers off. This is the -opposite- of a general strike.
And yes, I realize that not everyone is responsible for setting fires at the protest and most of them were protesting peacefully. This movement needs centralized leadership to prevent things like this from happening. You can't blame the police in this situation, making the distinction between which members of an angry mob are violent and which are not is not an easy one to make, especially at night.
Maybe next time you won't set fires and throw shit at them. You think the U.S. isn't free? Why don't you try this protest shit in China, Iran or Syria. See what exactly you're taking for granted. Any other first world government would and does respond the same way. You have a right to peaceful demonstration, but your rights end where the rights of others begin. That includes blocking public roads without a permit and setting fires.
Here in Brazil the people could be more united and less silent. Fight against capitalism and against the system of corrupt politicians! I do not participate, but I'm proud of the black bloc! Force always! Freedom! Any member send me a website to be on top of news about the movement?
ANY ASSHOLE ANARCHIST KNOWS THAT IF YOU STAND CLOSE TO A FIRE YOU CAN BREATH SAFELY! THE FIRE CREATES A SAFE ZONE, IF YOU HUDDLE CLOSE TO THE FIRE YOU CAN BREATH WHEN THEY USE TEARGAS!
All you fucking hippies think you'll be able to get things done peacefully. HISTORY on the other hand says OTHERWISE. You will need to get violent eventually...
@Jsmooth7444 , Fuck black bloc anarchists, ...you show up in my town we will run you fuckers out by force if necessary. You are the misfits of Occupy, the outcasts who couldn't participate in GA's, and think it's ok to smash shit because NOBODY except a bunch of ex-cons agree with your ideas. FUCK OFF and go start your own fucking movement! You try to tagalong on a peaceful movement because YOU DON"T HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR YOUR OWN MOVEMENT! ..again...FUCK OFF!
I dont want Cuban-Americans in miami and the american government to bring this freedom to my country( CUBA). Prefiero morir de pie que morir de rodillas
@zerocker45 You don't have Democracy in America, you are not a democracy. You are republicans. A british empire, a police state, a capitalist. Your freedom is limmited to your political influence, economical and educational influence. Freedom in America is for those who can afford to pay for it. Everyone else are sheeple.
dang this is some real shit people are fighting back against the cops now back then people were scared of the cops now they are get tired of been pushed around by police who has 2 side .
God! Watching these retarded riot cops...they should be kissing people's asses for NOT just setting them on fire. They all stand in a mass there like fucking British redcoats. It is just for bait, or do they think that's a good strategy?
@anarcrustie I read the Wu Ming review. I agree Berlusconi's Mousetrap isn't perfect. But frankly, I am amazed its the only independent media critical of the "diversity of tactics" then and now. In my view, it understates the reality of extremism of both the Media/Police and the compromised Black Bloc. I have a very close friend who was nearly killed in the Diaz and he got me on to this film. Even if we attribute say, 50% less culpability to the Black Bloc, then its still a damning inditement
@permaculturecoop you cannot attribute any culpability for police actions to the black bloc. the reason this isn't in the indymedia much is because it's victim-blaming, problematic, especially in the context of genoa, where a blocista was murdered by police. was it the carlo's fault that he was shot in the face, run over, then run over again? fuckoff
the cops regularly attack peaceful protests. occupy is getting evicted everywhere, the peaceful camps are going more quickly and quietly than OO.
IF you people truly want to make a statement, all of you and I mean all of you need to adorn yourselves in RED WHITE and BLUE. STARS and STRIPES from head to toe DRAPE YOURSELVES IN AMERICAN FLAGS BIG ONES TO COVER YOUR ENTIRE BODY. THEN YOU GO AND PROTEST. NEVER WAIVER FROM YOUR SPOT NEVER BACK DOWN AND WHEN THE WORLD SEES OUR COPS BEATING DOWN OUR FLAG WITH BATTONS AND AMERICAN FLAGS LAYING TRAMPLED AND BLOODIED IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA ON A DAILY BASIS. THEN YOU WILL SEE CHANGE.
This video also doesn't call into account the full facts of Police politics. They sent an open letter to the mayor declaring their confusion about how to deal with the strike from their union. That means they weren't too keen to act during the day. Also, odds are, they couldn't afford the political cost of a repeated attack. Fyi, the carbon from burning dumpsters helps negate the effects of tear gas. Also, there were way more of you in the day than at night, too many to Police effectively.
it has been reported the these anarchist are really gov agents or police themselves, this is tactic to villify a peaceful movement...and give police the right to come down with force.....down with the anarchist
@hacktik101 It's been reported with a noted lack of evidence. Note how the Police attacked you without any provocation in the first place. The bloc appeared after the Police attacked the encampment. On the following day, they attacked the property of the banks you are protesting. Also, the Police gave a dispersal order and you refused to leave, that was going to happen regardless of what the bloc did. They didn't show up in riot gear just for the fun of it.
@hacktik101 reported... by alex jones, who also believes that plastic causes homosexuality and the government controls your brain through the trails behind planes ("chemtrails/geoengineering")
guy is a total wingnut.
there was one proven incident of provocateurs wearing bandanas in montebello, but you can easily distinguish these folks from the real black bloc- they weren't even wearing all black, they just looked like goddamn jocks.
@anarcrustie I have been generous and attributing the self-destruction of OO by the Black Bloc to outsiders. But thanks for clearing it up. It was actually an inside job. This isn't anarchism. Its self-destruction. Read some history and stop watching MTV
but yeah, the black bloc in OO were clearly part of OO, but are you aware that OO was evicted by police two days before this? the police had an anti-occupy stance long before the black bloc showed up, attributing police violence to them is ridiculous. people got aggressive after the eviction, and in fact the protests were able to continue in part because of this: people illegally retook the plaza and tore down police fences.
Were there fires burning in the street before Black Bloc showed up?
Black Bloc is a group of police and hired criminals whose sole goal is to make OWS look very bad on camera. The person who shot the vid above films the police line while the truly dangerous police are making fires behind her. Then a girl uses water to try to help with gas.
If OWS committees were legit they would be getting this info out to people. As it stands a bunch of uninformed kids are being used.
@eatjones hella misinformatioin. blackbloc is a time honored anarchist tactic with a global history. also, a black bloc is when a large group of people wears all black, there was actually no black bloc at this event. there was one earlier in the day, at the anti-capitalist feeder march. this event just has scattered kids with masks, not a distinct/organized group. and yeah, they set their barricades on fire when the police attacked them. that's self defense, i don't see why it's so terrible.
@anarcrustie , bullllllllshit. Black bloc anarchists say this kind of thing and pretend to be victims taking "defensive action", until they take to the streets and start smashing people's car windows and threatening Occupiers and media.
CAPITALISM creates ELITE CRIMINALS. BANKERS. DRUG LORDS. INEQUALITY. INSECURITY. GREED. RUTHLESS COMMUNISM. NWO. NAZI. TERRORISM. LAZY PEOPLE. REBEL POLITICIAN. ANARCHY. worst is WAR etc.. etc..
CAPITALISM was designed only for CORRUPT OPPORTUNISTIC MANIPULATIVE LAZY POLITICIAN. BANKERS. LAWYERS. DRUG LORDS. JUDGES. CRIMINALS. DICTATORS. RULERS. KING. SULTANATE. EMPEROR etc. etc..
HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(
so what lesson can we take away from this?
crackawise 3 weeks ago
It's not about "violence" vs. "non-violence" it's about effective action. Black Bloc seem to think they can beat capitalism by breaking its windows, and they can beat the cops by throwing stuff at them.
Capitalism can only be defeated by a mass working-class movement capable of taking over production. Such a movement can only be built by involving workers in their millions. And infantile play-radicalism like this just puts workers off. This is the -opposite- of a general strike.
dwc1964 4 weeks ago
Ohhhhh yeah peacefully protesting /watch?v=zz22OvY6FTY
DoHReallYY 4 weeks ago
Those Octards get everything they deserve.
agent4051 1 month ago
And yes, I realize that not everyone is responsible for setting fires at the protest and most of them were protesting peacefully. This movement needs centralized leadership to prevent things like this from happening. You can't blame the police in this situation, making the distinction between which members of an angry mob are violent and which are not is not an easy one to make, especially at night.
therealCamoron 1 month ago
Maybe next time you won't set fires and throw shit at them. You think the U.S. isn't free? Why don't you try this protest shit in China, Iran or Syria. See what exactly you're taking for granted. Any other first world government would and does respond the same way. You have a right to peaceful demonstration, but your rights end where the rights of others begin. That includes blocking public roads without a permit and setting fires.
therealCamoron 1 month ago
It's the damn anarchists right. Because OPD wouldn't touch you guys if the anarchists weren't there. Wake the hell up.
Shyguy419 1 month ago
Here in Brazil the people could be more united and less silent. Fight against capitalism and against the system of corrupt politicians! I do not participate, but I'm proud of the black bloc! Force always! Freedom! Any member send me a website to be on top of news about the movement?
DiegoeLsanchEs 1 month ago
It's good being that 1%
SoulDalto 2 months ago
ANY ASSHOLE ANARCHIST KNOWS THAT IF YOU STAND CLOSE TO A FIRE YOU CAN BREATH SAFELY! THE FIRE CREATES A SAFE ZONE, IF YOU HUDDLE CLOSE TO THE FIRE YOU CAN BREATH WHEN THEY USE TEARGAS!
wacportland 2 months ago
2:49 that guy was such a BADASS! fighting the cops with idk what it was but hell yes man!!
StickyBlunts420 2 months ago
All you fucking hippies think you'll be able to get things done peacefully. HISTORY on the other hand says OTHERWISE. You will need to get violent eventually...
Jsmooth7444 2 months ago
@Jsmooth7444 , Fuck black bloc anarchists, ...you show up in my town we will run you fuckers out by force if necessary. You are the misfits of Occupy, the outcasts who couldn't participate in GA's, and think it's ok to smash shit because NOBODY except a bunch of ex-cons agree with your ideas. FUCK OFF and go start your own fucking movement! You try to tagalong on a peaceful movement because YOU DON"T HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR YOUR OWN MOVEMENT! ..again...FUCK OFF!
xuserx2000 3 weeks ago
@sniper275 don't come cryin to us when the cops turn on you .
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I dont want Cuban-Americans in miami and the american government to bring this freedom to my country( CUBA). Prefiero morir de pie que morir de rodillas
rodolfitocarlos420 2 months ago
I dont want Cuban-Americans in miami and the american to bring this freedom to my country( CUBA). Prefiero morir de pie que morir de rodillas
rodolfitocarlos420 2 months ago
WHERE IS DEMOCRACY???!!! IS FORGOTTEN????!!!
zerocker45 2 months ago
@zerocker45 you do America is Republic right?
lilblake90 2 months ago
@zerocker45 You don't have Democracy in America, you are not a democracy. You are republicans. A british empire, a police state, a capitalist. Your freedom is limmited to your political influence, economical and educational influence. Freedom in America is for those who can afford to pay for it. Everyone else are sheeple.
CognitiveNetwork 2 months ago
@CognitiveNetwork Is sad but you are right... Although Im not american I live in America and I know you are right.
zerocker45 2 months ago
We will fight with love and peace and we will win.
everywherecity 3 months ago
LONG LIVE STUPID COPS!!! The moment they smarten up we're fucked lol, long live black bloc tactics against stupid cops
VorpalBob 3 months ago
dang this is some real shit people are fighting back against the cops now back then people were scared of the cops now they are get tired of been pushed around by police who has 2 side .
paullay15 3 months ago
@paullay15 wait wait wait. did you read the fucking description or are you trying to spin this damn video? No wait READ THE FUCKING TITLe
lilblake90 2 months ago
Molotov cocktail that group, you would burn so many of them it would be awesome!!
DaUsualSuspect1 3 months ago
@DaUsualSuspect1 dude... see a doctor... realy!
emergcon 2 months ago
God! Watching these retarded riot cops...they should be kissing people's asses for NOT just setting them on fire. They all stand in a mass there like fucking British redcoats. It is just for bait, or do they think that's a good strategy?
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omg i hope the cops beat the shit out of all of you
sniper275 3 months ago
I saw a lot of fires at the tea party.... grow the fuck up assholes...
arslosar 3 months ago
@arslosar
Cops started the fires, not anarchists. You are ignorant.
"Police Provocateurs: Black Bloc Cops EXPOSED at the G20 "
They do it in Oakland just like they do it everywhere else in the world.
eatjones 3 months ago
These cops look more like something that Cobra Commander would send out to kill those who don't submit to his rule.
openbreakwhat 3 months ago 7
@openbreakwhat i love joe rogen podcast too
darkbear1strb 3 months ago
That shut could not happen in nyc. NYPD would Fuck them up. Oakland cops are pussys
louemt 3 months ago
Police 1 Protesters 0
GarshardJeVard 3 months ago
liberals are strange people. Get a haircut and get a real job.
GarshardJeVard 3 months ago
@GarshardJeVard This isn't about liberals and conservatives it's about mass corruption between corporations and the government.
jim15ratm 3 months ago
Black Bloc tools of fascist state
see movie from Indymedia Ireland
Berlusconi's Moustreap
permaculturecoop 3 months ago
@permaculturecoop check out the reveiw/rebuttal Wu Ming wrote on this film. sums it up pretty good
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie I read the Wu Ming review. I agree Berlusconi's Mousetrap isn't perfect. But frankly, I am amazed its the only independent media critical of the "diversity of tactics" then and now. In my view, it understates the reality of extremism of both the Media/Police and the compromised Black Bloc. I have a very close friend who was nearly killed in the Diaz and he got me on to this film. Even if we attribute say, 50% less culpability to the Black Bloc, then its still a damning inditement
permaculturecoop 3 months ago
@permaculturecoop you cannot attribute any culpability for police actions to the black bloc. the reason this isn't in the indymedia much is because it's victim-blaming, problematic, especially in the context of genoa, where a blocista was murdered by police. was it the carlo's fault that he was shot in the face, run over, then run over again? fuckoff
the cops regularly attack peaceful protests. occupy is getting evicted everywhere, the peaceful camps are going more quickly and quietly than OO.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
Now u see how democratic is USA :-)
Zofisvk 3 months ago
GJ Police.. the Rioters... lit a fire which makes the Police advance on them for the Fire Department can put the fire out.
Dogmeat1950 3 months ago
You people don't deserve anything good. You are the gentrifiers who wanted poor blacks killed out of cities and you shall suffer worse.
It took blacks years to make a city look bad, it took you people a few weeks.
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IF you people truly want to make a statement, all of you and I mean all of you need to adorn yourselves in RED WHITE and BLUE. STARS and STRIPES from head to toe DRAPE YOURSELVES IN AMERICAN FLAGS BIG ONES TO COVER YOUR ENTIRE BODY. THEN YOU GO AND PROTEST. NEVER WAIVER FROM YOUR SPOT NEVER BACK DOWN AND WHEN THE WORLD SEES OUR COPS BEATING DOWN OUR FLAG WITH BATTONS AND AMERICAN FLAGS LAYING TRAMPLED AND BLOODIED IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA ON A DAILY BASIS. THEN YOU WILL SEE CHANGE.
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italianfighter216 3 months ago
This video also doesn't call into account the full facts of Police politics. They sent an open letter to the mayor declaring their confusion about how to deal with the strike from their union. That means they weren't too keen to act during the day. Also, odds are, they couldn't afford the political cost of a repeated attack. Fyi, the carbon from burning dumpsters helps negate the effects of tear gas. Also, there were way more of you in the day than at night, too many to Police effectively.
AnIssueofClass 3 months ago
it has been reported the these anarchist are really gov agents or police themselves, this is tactic to villify a peaceful movement...and give police the right to come down with force.....down with the anarchist
hacktik101 3 months ago
@hacktik101 It's been reported with a noted lack of evidence. Note how the Police attacked you without any provocation in the first place. The bloc appeared after the Police attacked the encampment. On the following day, they attacked the property of the banks you are protesting. Also, the Police gave a dispersal order and you refused to leave, that was going to happen regardless of what the bloc did. They didn't show up in riot gear just for the fun of it.
AnIssueofClass 3 months ago
@hacktik101 reported... by alex jones, who also believes that plastic causes homosexuality and the government controls your brain through the trails behind planes ("chemtrails/geoengineering")
guy is a total wingnut.
there was one proven incident of provocateurs wearing bandanas in montebello, but you can easily distinguish these folks from the real black bloc- they weren't even wearing all black, they just looked like goddamn jocks.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie I have been generous and attributing the self-destruction of OO by the Black Bloc to outsiders. But thanks for clearing it up. It was actually an inside job. This isn't anarchism. Its self-destruction. Read some history and stop watching MTV
permaculturecoop 3 months ago
@permaculturecoop don't be so dismissive, i'm a history student yo.
but yeah, the black bloc in OO were clearly part of OO, but are you aware that OO was evicted by police two days before this? the police had an anti-occupy stance long before the black bloc showed up, attributing police violence to them is ridiculous. people got aggressive after the eviction, and in fact the protests were able to continue in part because of this: people illegally retook the plaza and tore down police fences.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie
Were there fires burning in the street before Black Bloc showed up?
Black Bloc is a group of police and hired criminals whose sole goal is to make OWS look very bad on camera. The person who shot the vid above films the police line while the truly dangerous police are making fires behind her. Then a girl uses water to try to help with gas.
If OWS committees were legit they would be getting this info out to people. As it stands a bunch of uninformed kids are being used.
eatjones 3 months ago
@eatjones hella misinformatioin. blackbloc is a time honored anarchist tactic with a global history. also, a black bloc is when a large group of people wears all black, there was actually no black bloc at this event. there was one earlier in the day, at the anti-capitalist feeder march. this event just has scattered kids with masks, not a distinct/organized group. and yeah, they set their barricades on fire when the police attacked them. that's self defense, i don't see why it's so terrible.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie , bullllllllshit. Black bloc anarchists say this kind of thing and pretend to be victims taking "defensive action", until they take to the streets and start smashing people's car windows and threatening Occupiers and media.
xuserx2000 3 weeks ago
good vid, keep it up
radroatch 3 months ago
Just clueless punk losers who may soon pay the ultimate price.
submariner50 3 months ago
ppl wake up its real shit going on
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CAPITALISM was designed only for CORRUPT OPPORTUNISTIC MANIPULATIVE LAZY POLITICIAN. BANKERS. LAWYERS. DRUG LORDS. JUDGES. CRIMINALS. DICTATORS. RULERS. KING. SULTANATE. EMPEROR etc. etc..
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