EU Referendum

[cranyonrye]

Bring down the EU Iron curtain - fight for the Magna Carta and the 1689 Bill of rights and show yourselves worthy of liberty and independence - rise up!

[UKMonarchist]

we don't want a referendum we demand a referendum NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dudtz]

The EU is in no way communist.

[mkpdavies]

Yes it is. Look at its leaders backgrounds. Look at the way "parliament" works.

It is so close to the USSR, you have to look twice to see any difference.

Google Vladimir_Bukovsky

[Dudtz]

It doesn't work the same,look up the1936 Constitution of The USSR,it is knd of structured like the USA Constitution.

[mkpdavies]

Are you serious? The president is unelected. The commission is unelected.

It's much closer to the USSR.

[Dudtz]

Then how did Nikita Kruschev get elected out of power?

The RFSR Congress elected Yeltsin out of power,and Yeltsin attacked them with troops.

[mkpdavies]

Not the people electing them out of power though, was it. Just their own party.

And he was a reformer.

[Dudtz]

The CPSU was a part of the government,not a separate body.

Reformer?

NO!

Criminal,YES!

[lanceawatt]

@mkpdavies losing democratic agenda? Perhaps. Communist? lol, the EU have a capitalist agenda, they are capitalists. not communists - very big difference my friend.

If you want to be taken seriously by serious people, you need to portray truth in its entirety, not just by truthful in specific aspects.

[DoverFerry]

Give me 5 reasons why you make that assertion?

[Dudtz]

Doesn't support a society not class based.

Hasen't made significant advances,if any to end worker exploitation.

Workers are not in controll of the productuon

Workerss do not controll the government.

EU is a Welfare State.

Lack of apparent goals to reduce buereucracy.

Hasn't moved twords wtihering away the state.

[DoverFerry]

Then I agree with all your reasons.

So you mean then the EU is emulating a Communist institution otherwise they would try to address your points

[Dudtz]

The Eu,just seems to be upholdoing Corporate Socailism,and giving more money and power to elites.

[Greg260146]

Interesting proof the EU is bereft of meaningfull concepts of democracy is the supposedly democratically elected representatives are strong armed by unelected enforcers acting for the central soviet - the style of democracy is redollent of the USSR wherein almost the only means of representing the interests of the peoples rather than the self enrichment of the apparatchiks is by outright protest which in turn will no doubt be brutally silenced with force by EUroPol & the Rapid Repression Force

[Spenner56]

European Charter (recognised as binding by the LISBON TREATY),Article 2,Passage 2,Paragraph c :

LETHAL FORCE may be used to quell "demonstrations/civil disorder". The definitions of both are the perogative of the 25 (un-elected) Council of Europe's members.

SAVE DEMOCRACY,vote for an EU sceptical party at next years European parliament election.

Save DEMOCRACY...sign the petition for a Europe-wide referendum on the LISBON TREATY at : X09"dot"de

[Greg260146]

I SUGGEST since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country:

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

[realtimecop]

be good if there wsnt a voise over on the video at 2.22

[Darusdei]

funny... first time i heard of EU i thought about nazi germany... first they tried to unite europe by force now they are doing it by trickery... this is bad

[chufuss]

We will miss you..It was fun while it lasted.France and Germany could not do it with conquest,but they did it with the vote...America:(

[lovinglife123]

No referendum! Welcome to the EUSSR!!

[samdung91]

very true m8

[plasmalux]

So our referendum is rejected? The 2005 promises fall by the wayside? If the Lisbon treaty cannot break its way through the electorate ballot then what other noxious concoctions will the EU leftists force through? By God's grace I cry democracy or else...!

[Binfieldius]

You completely ruined that by editing it at the end...

[europarl]

There's a war going on in the European Parliament. The fighting spirit survives - remove those brave MEPs and we'll end up with the Supreme Soviet 2.0

Look at the state of this battle:

watch?v=qkHK_EFfTCM

[andymurray2007]

"Does anyone here know how the Soviet Union worked?"

Click on my name and you'll see a great video from a former Soviet dissident making a straight comparison between the Soviet Union and the European Union.

[europarl]

Great vid!

The EU is not what it seems. It is a totalitarian entity that has quickly grown and consolidated into a pseudo-state. If the EU constitution is established the word "pseudo" falls and we enter the new era.

Does anyone here know how the Soviet Union worked?

[mkpdavies]

Yes, just like the EU does.

Google/youtube Vladimir Bukovsky. He explains how.

[mcai9mh3]

Yeah, you just enslave other peoples.

[numbskullandy]

I attended the rally in London on 27th Oct 07. Sadly it was a poor turnout. I think it will be a case of people whinging after the door has been bolted. We must fight this. We must. Unless you yearn to exist in a communist superstate you must FIGHT THIS.

[mcai9mh3]

why do you all hate the 'elite'? Because they are more intelligent and sucessful than you?

[timmy1146]

god i want a civil war and bring in nationalists

[soames69]

We can't have a referendum because we won't give the answer that will keep these self-serving ruling elite in their cushy overpaid and (for some tax-free) jobs. Nice work if you can get it. Lets get out of the EU NOW!

I will never stand for an EU anthem AND NEVER NEVER salute that worthless grotesue blue flag.

[skulls23]

dam nazi eu i will stand out side of the polling station and tell people to vote ukip from morning till night

[GrandMasterKai]

fuck the EU

[102trafalgar]

I've signed the petition. I got the gobbdy gook Downing Street reply that basically says we are getting Europe like it or not. I think we only have civil war left! I think The Mafia are more honest than The EU!

[jokakutihuti]

How about pulling your heads out of your asses and applying some objective thinking on your ideologies? Traitors for doing what they think is best for their country even at the expense of their own political career? I only wish we had statesmen like that in Finland.

[LauraVonHallenwyl]

It's allways the same old story - socialism, communism, national socialism...

[swissheaven]

WARNING: European Socialists (NAZI to EUZI) Propaganda on YouTubby !!!!

[mcai9mh3]

oh - argument won. What a good point. I concede. The EU is evil after all. While were at it lets get rid of the UK and go back to England Scotland Wales as separate countries, because political unions are BAAAD.

[cato8383]

Norway will never ever ever ever join the EU =)

[NationUnderEducation]

go to Bushworld if you like it better and the other war mongers.

If you cannot come up with a bigger budget how about downgrading your military! The EU was foremost about stability, solidarity and mutual economics in light of Europe's past century.

Yep a capitalistic government is key, look at how the USA/Israel turned out. Just Peachy.

[trapspeed97]

Are you an idiot or what? The US has the world's largest GDP and leads the world in almost all levels of industry. Israel is the most technologically advanced nation in the middle east. The EU destroys the individual culture of Europe by throwing it into a melting pot.

[rabelai2006]

Now now trapspeed my friend. Let´s not get out of control.

:)

[trapspeed97]

hahaha. welcome to the anti EU arena. lol!

[rabelai2006]

Yes there are two sides of each coin. :)

Anyway, I love coming to these British anti EU arenas. They usually want to swap EU for EEA, not having clue what they will get from it. UKIP, the political party that promotes leaving EU is completely distorting the truth of how UK life would be after leaving EU.

A good portion of the English actually think they can become a super power again, and feel that EU is halting them in doing so. Lol.

[Britain1st]

Not so. We do not desire to be a super power again, just free to choose our own way, and not have laws and rules imposed by foreigners who were not elected by us. The world is a different place from 50 years ago, the EU wants to be a super power, we don't. We have been there, and worn the T-shirt!

[rcoones102]

Defections from other parties to UKIP are occuring now. People are waking up and moving where their hearts are... to save your Democracy from the EU! Yes this is the challenge of our times...resisting The Post Democratic Era! Not allowing Freedoms of the common people to wither away! Not allowing the undercover Cabals to dictate their agenda on US!

[bobbyandfred]

our leaders are traitors - we MUST leave the EU a.s.a.p.!

[mkpdavies]

While Gunter Verheugen, the EU enterprise commissioner, complains that compliance with Single Market regulation costs €600 billion a year, Tim has found out that the commission boasts [PDF] only that the Single Market benefits the economies of the EU to the tune of €164.5 billion a year.

Losing €600 billion to get €164.5 billion back in order that the politicians can enjoy and exercise their power is not something which passes a cost-benefit analysis.

[mcai9mh3]

by ensuring we are part of the largest common market in the world, by ensuring we can compete against other global giants.

[mkpdavies]

How?

[mcai9mh3]

Thank god our leaders have some sense. These 'traitors' are preserving British prosperity.

[UKIPHavant]

'Traitors', surely giving political power away to the EU is being a traitor to future generations whom will not have a democratic and free society. A common market is fine, political union is not.

"The EU will win when good men do nothing".

[mcai9mh3]

Face it, the nation state is in decline.

Back in ancient times, people mourned the decline of the city state. Globalisation is natural evolution of society, and the EU is an early manifistation of that.

World government is inevitable. Accept it.

[UKIPHavant]

Dictatorship from unelected people not accountable to the people of the UK is not aceptable, surely you see the moral injustice of such a thing. 60 years ago we might as wll let Hitler win, because Europe is turning into the very thing Hitler wanted.

[mcai9mh3]

Dictatorship like the house or lords? or the queen?

Nation states can choose to elect their ministers if the want. just most choose to appoint them. The lack of democracy is at UK level, not EU. But hell - thats your choice as a member state.

[mcai9mh3]

Yes because the EU ethnically cleanses Jews, Poles and gypsies, and is run from Germany. roll eyes

[mcai9mh3]

Were the scots and English tratitors when they signed the act of union?