12-14 Salvation Through Water Baptism ? - Church of Christ

[luztheloser]

Really? So Peter, Paul and everyone of the Apostles lied to the early converts to Jesus Christ? They all ordered baptism as a sign of belief under the Great Commission. Matthew baptized in Jesus' name. So did Mark and Luke. I can prove this by the scriptures. Now many people quote their churches, who are cursed by Paul in Gal 1:6-10. He by belief was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus in Acts 22:16. He said (and wrote 13 letters which all agree that baptism in Jesus name is required)  so.

[Russkiy1976]

 It is Satans fals doctreene from buptist sects

[luztheloser]

According to your ideas, you're baptized as a outward sign of a inward happening. Falsehood. Until Zwingli's doctrine change in the 1500's everyone acknowledge to include Luther, Calvin and other Protestants that belief and water baptism were necessary for salvation. This reflects the words of the apostles. Who are you to change the doctrine of the apostles? Also, many professors agree that baptism, repentace, grace, works and belief must come together unto salvation. Again, the word is right!

[luztheloser]

Lastly, tell how your church baptizes and why. By what means are we saved according to your church. What branch are you of the mother harlot or her daughters. Please be specific. Remember if you are not directly using the scriptures but something outside it or as Jesus called it, tradition - then say so. I will await your response.

[luztheloser]

Using this analogy, whenever Jesus forgave someone that person was already forgiven. How foolish! The Simple Minded Sinner's Prayer was created in 1900 by Moody, a false prophet. He, Billy sunday and Graham all propagate this lie. Salvation until the time of Zwingli, and Martian Luther agreed that baptism saved a believer, was always seen as the means or way unto new life or birth. So, your telling me Jesus walked 70 miles for a show? Man need to obey the word of Jesus in all things (Col 3:17).

[rbton304]

Praise God Praise God I'm free from my sins thanks to Dr Morey showing me this. I be going to the baptist church tonight. I might even get baptizes haha but it won't be in order to obtain salvation. Thank you for posting this!!!! I'm free from this cult once and for all!!! WOOOOO HOOO

[smoores57]

Excellent video. Praise God I am free from this legalism.

[BrezzEasyy]

o really, this guy twist the word of God....beware of false prophetes

1Jh4:1Beloved,do not believe every spirit, but(B) test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world

[liveforjesus2day]

As debates and argumensts go, there is no newness under the sun. We all desire to understand the truth. The bible is truth, the design is not of ourselves, God designed it, Repent which means making a decision to not sin anymore, because we make that decision, the blood must then be applied in the washing of the baptism, so faith in what christ did on the cross, repent decide to live for him then apply the blood with baptism. Wash away sins at baptism does come after repent. Obey the word

[Love6653]

When Will You Ever Learn Mr. Morey that Mathew-John describing Jesus B4 The Cross is 100 Percent Old Testament. Mathew 3:11 is Old Covenant Baptism. It was a Baptism Of REPENTANCE UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES. How could a Jew Under the Law Of Mose Be Baptized into JESUS DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION When JESUS had not Died yet????????? You are way to easy to debate Sir. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Romans 6:1-6 Quite going back under The Law Of Moses in Mathew-John to Prove your Ignorant Position Sir.

[luztheloser]

The bible commands all to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.Realizing that Christ had died on the cross and risen(so that the shed blood sacrifice which allowed God's grace-by definition is unmerited favor that is reflected in our life-to be applied as our faith and obedience to his commandment in Luke24:45-48,Mark16:16,@Rom.6:­1-6).Remember Jesus our example in all had the Holy Ghost descend on him after baptism(Matt3:12-17/Mark1:9).B­aptism does now save us-1Peter3:21 by obeying

[j4270108]

@luztheloserCOC PEOPLE ALWAYS STATE THIS VERSE FROM PETER, BUT NEVER IN IT'S ENTIRETY. YOUR BELIEF IS TO BE BAPTIZED TO PUT AWAY SIN. LET'S LOOK AT THE REST OF WHAT PETER SAYS:(NOT THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

COC SAYS THAT YOU DO IT TO PUT AWAY SIN WHICH IS THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, PETER SAYS THAT'S NOT WHY. HE SAYS THAT IT IS AN ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD,

[j4270108]

@lustheloser WHEN DO YOU GET THIS GOOD CONSCIENCE? WHEN CHRIST CLEANSES YOUR SIN? IF SO, THEN PETER SAYS HERE THAT THE GOOD CONSCIENCE COMES BEFORE BAPTISM. BAPTISM IS A PUBLIC CONFESSION OF CHRIST AS LORD IN YOUR LIFE.

[luztheloser]

@j4270108 If we believe out of a good conscience we will obey the word. Our flesh will war against the Holy Spirit until the day of our redemption. Many Greek scholars agree that forgiveness of sins and repentance (and not to sins already paid for as falsely claimed by tri-unity of gods or trinity believers have claimed) are both needed for salvation. Regardless of theogical views on the importance of baptism is/was/has always been in the name of Jesus in the bible. The sinners prayer is false!

[ydnar0591]

@luztheloser

1Peter 3:21 NOT WATER, but a "good conscience toward God." see John 16:7-13

Dr. Morey asked a good question! Were Cornelius & friends children of God BEFORE they was H20 baptized or of Satan? vs 46 says they were leaping and speaking in tongues, and praising God, children of the Devil just don't do that. THEN following SALVATION, they were baptized in WATER in verse 47.

Acts 10:43-47 is a hard nut to crack for water baptism salvationists.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "Acts 10:43-47 is a hard nut to crack for water baptism salvationists." No, it's not. Cornelius was saved just as the 3,000 on Pentecost were.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

NOT !!!

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "Cornelius was saved just as the 3,000 on Pentecost were." You: "NOT" Well, do you have DIFFERENT PLANS of salvation for DIFFERENT people. That's novel - if not convenient. I kinda wish it were ACCURATE.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

God could have made us all sinless and perfect {robots} and kept us that way IF HE would have wanted to. That's not what he had in mind. He wanted a people who LOVES HIM, because he first loved us. He knows that we are only dust PS 103:10-14.

Do you relly believe that God's purpose for us was to find out if we could keep the LAW? Some kind of GAME?.. the commandments or DIE? Or is it LOVE between him & us that God desires? What about King David and Peter & the rest who failed?

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591"Do you relly believe that God's purpose for us was to find out if we could keep the LAW?" Who said that we are saved by keeping "some law"? Or by "some law", do you once again mean "water baptism"? I think that's probably the case, just as "not of works" means "not of baptism" to you. Oh, well, God "COMMANDS" all men everywhere to REPENT? Think you might need to KEEP that particular law? Is that some kinda GAME? Keep the repentance commandment or DIE? I'll turn it on you quickly.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

God commands MANY things to men everywhere !!!

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 Well, you objected to baptism, for one reason, because God commands it. I assume you believe since one is OBEYING a command, it is a WORK, and therefore you might boast of it. I said God commands "all men everywhere to repent." (Lk 17: 30). OK, you teach that repentance is necessary - yet it is a COMMAND.  You DO it, and I suppose, as with baptism (as per your reasoning), you might "boast" of it. So you if seek to eliminate baptism on that basis, you'll eliminate repentance also.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

Repentance is a result of Faith. Faith is invisible. Repent in your heart and it will not just be words.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "Repentance is a result of Faith." So? Certainly it is! And it occurs AT SOME POINT after faith - maybe 5 minutes, 5 hours, 5 days, or 5 years. The two are NOT synonymous. Baptism is the result of faith, also. That's why Peter told the 3,000 believers on Pentecost to both "repent" and "be baptized" ... and repentance is unto the remission of sins in Acts 2: 38 - just as baptism is.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

You've already given me your interprtation of Acts 2:38...and I gave you mine...let's move on.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 I don't recall you giving a detailed explanation of (1) the order of events in Acts 2: 38 or (2) with which verb(s) "unto the remission" connects. It's easy to simply assert, with no proof, that "unto the remission" means "because of" - but "unto" does not MEAN "because of" (that I know of). Also, as far as I'm concerned, "unto the remission" connects equally with both "repent" and "be baptized."

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

Proof??? Who can PROVE ANYTHING??? We can't even PROVE the exsistance of GOD !!!

Atheists can't prove he doses'nt exist !

We can't PROVE the Bible!!!

We don't live by PROOF. We are supposed to LIVE BY FAITH, there's a BIG difference.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "We don't live by PROOF. We are supposed to LIVE BY FAITH, there's a BIG difference." Well, you SHOULD demand proof! God "made his case" in the New Testament. Faith is not some "leap in the dark" - some series of ASSUMPTIONS defying logic and rational thinking. And no matter, I still do not recall your interpretation of Acts 2: 38, except you said "Repent because your sins were already remitted", I think. If not, that's close.

[TheFisherman57]

@ydnar0591 - We can`t prove the existence of God? What comic book are you reading from Bahai`s urim and thummin.

[ydnar0591]

@TheFisherman57

Go ahead and PROVE IT then ! How are you gonna prove it ??? You can't use the Bible... that requires faith. Can't use the Greek and Hebrew text ..that's just MORE writing,

I have debated with several atheists on the internet, believe me you can't PROVE any of it. God did'nt make himself visible to us {you or I} and even if he did ..who would believe you if you told them that you SAW God??? But go ahead and prove it , and we'll see if I'm talking from a comic book.

[luztheloser]

@ydnar0591 Belief alone saves a person and never just getting wet. Baptism is by belief. Faith without works is dead. God who knows all things commanded water baptism in His name, and not in the father of lies, son of perdition and spirit of the air; which you no doubt use because of your unbelief in the words of Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul - along with every other apostle who baptized in Jesus' name. You cannot be Born Again unless you die first. John 3:5. According to you what saves us?

[ydnar0591]

@luztheloser

The thief on the cross provides a perfect picture of a man being Saced. He was saved by Grace through Faith. Just as it make clear in Eph 2:8-9.

[ydnar0591]

@luztheloser

By Grace am I saved through Faith and this not of myself, it is the GIFT of God, not of my works, so that I cannot brag. Just like Eph 2:8-9

and the sinner in LUKE 18:9-14

[Snowtiger76]

Excellant Vedio! Baptism is indeed after a person has repented and received the Holy Spirit. There is much not recorded as you have said. I personally see that the bible as an introduction to a free life in Christ. Thanyou for sharing!