Debunking Conservative Myths Re: Universal Healthcare

[juxtn]

I support universal healthcare, but cost sharing is a must in my opinion. I think people respect something more when they had to contribute towards it, they also are given a sense of ownership over the services they get so they hopefully will both treat it with respect -yet be empowered to demand a certain level of quality from it.

[Houshalter]

Central planning has never worked, and cannot ever work for simple economic reasons.

[buckshot211]

Actually you can get a bill from the fire department. Let me consult my notes here.... ah yes, your a fucking idiot

[niceguyinhell]

No, you don't Johnny Retard. You COULD go ahead a scan a copy of this alleged "bill" people get from the fire department? Can ya do that? No? Because you're a) an idiot b) a big idiot and c) just making shit up and hoping no one calls you on it. I am though. You're lying (or possibly just really, really dumb) Now go have homosexual sex with a male escort like a good little Republican freak.

[buckshot211]

Actually yeah If you do a controlled burn and it gets out of hand the fire department does charge to come and extinguish it. And I'm a democrat but I know what Universal health care will do and It will destroy our economy even further.

[AhYaOk]

did you pay it?

[parhound]

Maybe it's on another segment but..... who is gonna pay for this new system? I assume it's the same people that has funded all the other government ran systems! OUCH!!! If we redistribute the wealth there will be no one to pay and then we'll be doomed!

[DarcPrynce]

You may call conservative views on health care "scare tactics," but the facts speak louder than the leftist rhetoric in this regard. In the first place, the government is already involved in upwards of 47 percent of the health care system in America, and the more involved it gets, the more expensive every aspect of health care becomes. This always happens when a layer of government bureaucracy is added to an otherwise private system.

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[DarcPrynce]

Secondly, the countries which have adopted a Hillary/Obama/Kennedy style universal health care system which is run primarily by the state, such as Britain and Canada, have seen their quality of care plummet in recent years, and health care rationing is commonplace. The reasons for this state of affairs is relatively easy to grasp, and conservatives predicted such would be the case from the onset.

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[DarcPrynce]

Rationing has occurred because there are far too many people taking advantage of the "free" system for minor ailments that they would not seek a doctor's care for in a private system. Also, doctors are not paid enough in a socialized system as compared to a private system, so less and less people become doctors each year. More patients and less doctors equals rationed care.

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[DarcPrynce]

In these socialized systems, the elderly and people with chronic illnesses are routinely put on waiting lists that keep them in medical limbo for months if not years. In fact, so many people in Canada are denied necessary medical care each year that they are forced to come to the U.S. for treatment, which they are forced to pay for out of pocket despite the fact that they've already paid for health care via taxation in Canada.

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[DarcPrynce]

Beyond all this, there is a growing myth in the United States that some 48 million Americans have no access to health care. This is simply a lie. In the first place, upwards of 17 million of this number are young adults who have the resources to buy their own health insurance, but choose not to. Another 12 million are illegal aliens, and between 10 and 11 million are people who qualify for government medical assistance but have failed to apply for it.

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[DarcPrynce]

Millions more who have been added to the list of 48 million are people who are temporarily without insurance due to having lost their jobs, and most of these folks will regain their insurance within 4 months of having lost it. The remaining percentage of America citizens who do not have medical insurance for years at a time is quite small indeed.

[StoicSentry]

Fundamentally I do agree with you that the conservatives do not understand universal health care. On the other hand, I don't think the liberals get it either. The problem is that there is a false misconception here that the U.S. has a free market health care system. It doesn't. Over 50% of spending on health care in the U.S. is government money ALREADY, medicare, medicaid, public employee benefits, other programs in individual states. Then we have the FDA, lawsuits for malpractice etc etc etc

[supersporkspank]

Why shouldn't supporting universal health be considered pro-life? Is it only pro-life to dictate bedroom morality and limit access to abortion and contraception, all the while treating health insurance like automobile insurance and acting on the assumption that if health insurance were more difficult and costly to get, and if those fortunate enough to have health insurance had possibly less than they really needed, they'd be more likely not to get sick? What's immoral about preventive care?

[BeyondTheSpectrum08]

The only reason conservatives can get away with calling the idea of Universal Health Care "Socialism" is because there were no Americans enlightened enough to engrain the ideas of free health care into our heads during the founding of the nation. If they had, this wouldn't even be an issue because the idea would be just as much a part of the way we did things as our notion of free public (and compulsory) education.

beyond-the-political-spectrum.­blogspot(dot)com/

[kgwickings]

I think you are oversimplifying the conservative's view to make your point sympathetic. A government strong enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take everything away.. I can't remember who said it. I would rather have uncertainty (like I do now) than give the government more power.

[kgwickings]

what about the "numbers of uninsured"? that number of 40 odd million people includes illegals, those that choose not to have health insurance for instance (people who can afford it). that isn't a scare tactic?

[Zoobilord]

why should i pay for some fat-ass' diabetes medicine when i take supreme care of my body?

[TheLastMizzy]

What about the kid that's born with juvenile diabetes? Fuck him! Because you were born with a healthy body, that's all that really matters, right?

You really shouldn't be so cynical. Not everyone is a low-life free loader.

[Zoobilord]

That was obviously just an example. And you should read what I said, which had nothing to do with juvinile diabeties. The problem is that people will take advantage of the system, and it will cause it to fail. When there is a system that disincentivies success, then it breeds failure. It is human nature.

[TheLastMizzy]

SOME people take advantage of the system, yes. Most people don't. How does that make the system "fail"? And how does universal health care disincentive success? Have you ever set foot outside America? I live in Canada, and none of this rings true. At all. Our system isn't perfect. No one would claim that it is. But neither is yours.

[Zoobilord]

That and we can't afford it as a nation. It will destroy our economy.

[whittvet]

You are comparing an industry that gets sued for trillions of dollars a year against a service that has very little life risk in comparison. Illness is a consumer product just like food, liquid and shelter.

[whittvet]

and yes, Cemo is a consumer product. I do not make much money but I take care of my healthcare expense. The man who invents a drug is entitled to a profit. If there were no profit, guess what, there will be no drugs.

[kgwickings]

Atlas Shrugged

[whittvet]

Look at the ERs in the country. That is universal healthcare at its best. Its not a scare tactic but true. I invite you to go and sit on a Monday night in an ER anywhere in this country.

[dmed312]

Wow, Crob, while I disagree with you, I respect your logic. I am surprised that you don't have more views. Keep trying man; maybe play some music. Appeal to the typical youtuber's sense of entertainment and emotion. Good luck.

[crob80227]

Also, hospitals cannot refuse life saving emergency treatment to people based in income. So how can a hospital function in a free market when they are FORCED to give away millions in "free" service to people that will never be able to pay it back?

[crob80227]

Again and again we come back to the simple point that "illness" simply cannot be regulated by free market forces. There are NO market based solutions for illness. You cannot choose WHAT illness to get nor can you choose WHEN you will get it nor WHERE you will get it. So the illusion that the "consumer" (otherwise known as a patient) has the exact same choices an actual consumer has is ridiculous in the extreme.

[johannesgrimm]

"health care" is already controlled by gov't

[bastian114]

the controlled media wants to convince you that healthcare is already controlled by the gov't no buddy the insurance companies drug industries control that that is way people go bankrupct

[dmed312]

I can't believe no one has made any video responses to this man's claims. I've never made a youtube video, but I'm working on one in response to this video. Thanks Crob, you've inspired me.

[jughead5150]

I went to my doc for a routine physical last year. He checked off a list of 12 tests that he intended to perform. I told him that I have a high deductible insurance and to please take that into account when recommending tests. He promptly removed 10 of the tests from the list, saying that, at my age, this was all I really needed to have done.

This is my personal experience. YMMV

[jughead5150]

Since I have a high deductible, I am inclined to ask questions about the cost of procedures and meds that my doc recommends and seek a lower rate. This also gives us a $ incentive to eat well, exercise and to control the things that we can regards to our health.

[kgwickings]

i do too and I have refused several procedures due to cost to me. they weren't necessary, but I would have had them if they were free.

[jughead5150]

Health Savings Acct: I'm not sure you understand what this is. It goes like this: I have insurance with a $5k deductible, $14k max for the family. I pay $350/mo to the ins co and I put $275/mo in the bank to be used toward meds and deductible. I can save more or less -the money is mine.

[crob80227]

And yet NOT ONE critic of UHC has commented on the fact that "illness" is in no way, shape or form a "consumer good" nor can it be controlled by free market forces.

[utubehayter]

Is health care service selling "illness"? I thought they were trying to sell "treatment". And yes treatment is a service. And yes services are best provided when controlled by free market forces. All you are arguing is for other people to pay for your health care, through a extravagantly inefficient system. I don't blame you though, most Americans ARE ignorant of how things actually work (Are you from a public school?).

[jeffe2222]

The police/fire argument holds no water.

1. Police=LAW ENFORCEMENT(i.e. protection of your rights from others who would violate your rights)-- It works becuase there are laws that strictly define rights, and protecting individual rights is a legitimate government function.

[jeffe2222]

2. Fire=PUBLIC SAFETY(i.e. it is not safe to your neighbor's property or to the environment to simply just let your house burn to the ground unchecked)-- It works because this is a protection of private property rights. Protecting private property rights is also a legitimate function of government.

[jeffe2222]

I understand where the UHC people are coming from but unfortunately lifestyle decisions contribute FAR too much to the health of an individual and it is simply UNFAIR to take coercively from one who makes wise health decisions to give to one who does not. This is a philosophical issue. Besides, if you think your dollar doesn't go very far in the current private insurance system(which is deeply flawed, no doubt about it), just wait until that dollar travels through the government meat grinder.

[jeffe2222]

I would advocate a hybrid of HSAs and private, very high-deductible insurance with co-pays for preventative care. One nifty side-effect of this system is it would force Americans to maybe take a bit better care of themselves and make better health decisions. This solution isn't perfect either, but socializing it is INFINITELY less perfect.

[johannesgrimm]

What makes you think anybody's going to have control of your "lifestyle decisions" (read: their lives) if the Nazi-types get complete control of "health care" (as opposed to the partial but substantial control they currently have)? I got news for you if you think the nanny state laws are bad now... you'll have to wear a helmet just to walk a block to the store when they're through. Pizza? forget it!

[Wolfsheim23]

The documentary "Sick in America" discusses this topic perfectly. It shows systems better than Universal HealthCare which granted is an improvement over what we have. But Im a Vet, I deal with socialized healthcare. I had to wait over 6 months to get an MRI to show I had M.S. which could have been a brain tumor. That will be much worse with Every American going to hospitals for every little Migrain headache. Ron Paul represents the same principals in the documentary.

[shagywashere]

Hospitals are bankrupting because of illegal immigrants....what makes you think free healthcare will stop that?

Also, our economy is NOT in the shape for universal healthcare. Middle-class Americans can afford food and bills and that's it. Poor families have it worse off. so the answer is to tax them more for more social programs?? Well, in case you haven't heard the economy can't survive when over 50% of people's money is taken through taxes. It won't survive off of food and bills.

[RPftw2008]

Want to know what Universal health care is like? Go to Walter Reid Medical center.

Veterans care is universal health care. It sucks. Yeah you will get whatever medical treatment you need. You may have to wait 2 or 3 years for it but you will get it.

[dmed312]

When I have the need for a toilet, I don't have control as to when that need will arise, what exactly I will need it for, or where I will be when that need arises. We should socialize toilets too!

[dmed312]

I guess my point is that socialism in the past had similar very persuasive arguments that you have just presented, but for some reason the socialist system failed, and therefore, the capitalist system evolved. Capitalism and the society that our forefathers brought us is intended to be an improvement on this kind of system. Very nice video! It really gets one thinking!

[mrdowns]

Police and fire services aren't federal services. You pay for them with state and/or city taxes, and some states/cities have better/worse/more/less police and fire services than others. So under your argument, health care should be taken care of at the state and city level, if at all.

I agree. Health care should not be a federal system, because not all states and cities have the same needs and wants. This is a problem better handled at the local level, if at all.

[iTellYouNoLie]

perfect!!

RonPaul2008

[thorntongifts]

WRONG!!!Socialism is a failed system.And thats in any form.

Im voting for Ron Paul!

[bvonmoss]

So far you only talked about *getting* something out of the healthcare system. Are you studying to be a doctor or nurse? If not, what if everyone is trying to get something without giving? What are the names of countries implementing this idea successfully? Mongolia has universal healthcare, but people say if you need care there, go somewhere else. Why didn't it work? Even Canadians have to get on waiting lists. Sounds good to you. Run for president on the idea and enlighten everybody.

[MrObama]

Thanks for posting this.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama

U.S. Senator

[dmed312]

Haha, whatever!

[hozehd]

Insurance companies are the problem not the solution. We need to dump the whole health care insurance system. Compassionate cash only freemarket system would be much cheeper on all of us. Forcing all of us to get insurance is the most inhumane solution. Weather or not you consider healthcare a consumer product or not is a dead end.

[hozehd]

If your answer is forcing everyone to buy health coverage under penalty of law then you are the problem. This of course is what the medical industrial complex has laid infront of us as the golden brick road to afordable health care. In reality its really going to put government in you homes and lives in a way we have never seen before.

[ForOrAgainstUs]

So no, people don't have a right to health care, in the same way we don't have a right to police and fire. We are forced to pay for them.

If I'm forcing you to give me all your money, and I let you have some of what I buy with it, you are not exercising your right to that which I'm providing you with. Your rights have already been violated.

[ForOrAgainstUs]

You don't "just have access" to police and fire. You are forced to pay for them through taxation. You don't have a choice about whether or not to fund it, as opposed to consumer goods, which you do have a choice whether to fund (or buy).

UHC would not give you a choice whether or not to fund it because it would be paid for by tax money.