i mean, go to any town city or country and if you see a uniformed behavior of any kind that is not choice. You go to canada and pick any random person and mathematically speaking, they will like Hockey. Go to africa or some where on ivory coast and i garauntee you will most likely find that any person you stop is muslim. yes, that is generalization but a generalization based on a present and clear reality of how you dont have choice in things like that.
...Mind you again, that in all these examples, the prime common denominator is the culture itself. So if people really have free will to choose, they would act opposite of what the culture dictates to them to behave for the better(because african american culture has become inimical yet if we collectively had free will, we would not still be practicing the negative aspects of the culture). just as much as one can say that islamic culture has a 3-4% divorce rate, where is...part 2
In other words, free will(in a non religious perspective) loosely is willfully performing an act free from outside influences or cohersion. when you have a need, want, tast, mentality, preference, ect., you free will is influenced because its going to dictate how you make a discision to the extent that it can be predicted. hense your will is not free nor is it a choice when taken into perspective on what influences your choice or what coherses you to do so.
...the specifications of what your looking for just as much as if i gave you a "choice" in the three best cars, you would still pick the same car out of those options. 2.) the reason why its a straw man argument is because the principle itself will remain the same and is factual even if you(and i do mean YOU) decide to provide options to replace choices #2 and #3, said person confronted with the "choice" will still pick the BEST car to fit his needs or wants.....part 3
@JGvisions 1) External influences does not negate free will because you have a choice to be influenced by them or want thsoe influences my be. In other words someone can choose to ignore external influences or choose influences that fit your beliefs. 2) Its not a straw man because with your scenario there was only one choice. But with more choices there is more need for free will.
1.) actually, i would be able to agree with you except that you forget enmasse about kids being raised in a particular religion coming out with the same religious beleifs of the parent. Or culturally speaking why african americans still deal with and inherently make inimical choices in regards to breaking free from a bad culture. Or why palestinians are still at war with Isrealis over land they could easily share(mind you al jezzer actively promotes conflict between the two cultures)...part 1
...and there are also sitautions where the "choice" isnt so clear to make. you have to analayze the options afforded to you and pick the best "choice that fits your needs. ergo, you are going to pick the best car out of the best options depending upon you being a logical person, the information provided about the car or situation, and your need or want. in fact you said it the best in your earlier response because out it will be the same thing if i just gave you the car that best fits...part 2
so though when you hear or read about some far out theory or idea and it looks like its has almost nothing to do with the subject matter except for a slight relevence, this is do to the fact that the theory or idea your hearing is built upon more complex and sophistacated accepted concepts. hense why i have to do a video on this subject to explain how all these different subject fit together.
actually look up cosmological. yes it has its roots in astronomy but the term is used to define a concept in psychology/sociology called a grand unified theory of behavior( all fields of science has something like it) where those in those fields are trying to unite and find a grand unifed thoery uniting and combining all the theories and schools of thought in regards to that particular field of study.
@JGvisions I have looked up cosmology and I'm afraid you mistaken. "Cosmology is the study of the structure of the universe from the standpoint of physics. The term is often used synonymously with cosmogony in casual conversations." Scientists and mathmatician have used fields like astronomy to study people but as many of them would say people are much more complicated than numbers.
...still dictated by the fuction of buying the car for a need or want. would you buy a car that you didnt need?...or want? if you will is predicated on something, then you will is therefore influence and NOT free.
...want them to do so does not refute that they do have some influence whether it be great or minute, it is an influence. You would not have turned out well adjusted if they did not directly influence your developement and growth. ask yourself, why did you turn out different than your parents or most of your freinds as you say? were you objectively aware of your development into a unique person? keep in mind that if there is a reason then you did not choose to be different.
..way when dealing with. But on a grander scale when you look at home life, sociol life(friends), academic life, sociol/economic factors, and events and situation that occur where a particular behavior will be repeated based upon the out come of the event, what true choice do you actually have in anything? the teachers and other people you say should not do those things stated do so indirectly and influences you anyway. You have to understand that though they should not and you do not...part 4
Oh i can agree with you on that. i know some people that also defy the odds on that as well. i am myself my own outlier to my theory. But in regards to experiences, do you beleive that if you have constantly reaccuring experiences and your response to it triggers a negative outcome constantly, will continue to react the same way? You have to take a step back and look at the picture as a whole. A person can look at an individual incident and say oh, you can choose to act a certain...part 3
...possible chance of getting the results you want. 6) in regards to the person not having enough money for the best choice of whatever, does not refute that fact that your decision is based on outside factors. In fact that defeats itself because if you dont have the money necessary to buy the best option, what is left to you is what you will pick if it is a necessity. therefore the factor of not having money dictated your "Choice".
...set by the parameters for buying the car. I can be rich dude who is a car collector and have a set of parameters to buy the car(its a new model, it fits a collection, its a certain color, its a collectors item., ect.) 5.) that is the Snafu priniciple. yes the environment and random chaos can and does play a part in possibly giving you a different result from what is expect when one is making a "choice". but even in such circumstances proper planning and execution give you the best...part 2
1) its a scenerio with parameters designed to prove a point. 2) i did not surpress better option because it would take me forever to list the infinite number of options that could be better(this is a strawman arguement), 3) the fact that the NEED exist proves that if that need over rides the importance of going to work(in the example) then it is still the over-riding influence dictating the "choice" of the best car.4) and you would still buy the best car or the one tailored to your taste..part1
@JGvisions 1) Its a scenario guilty of a false choice. 2) Not supressing evidence is not straw man argument nice try thou 3) But wants also exist as well and has override need. 4) You missed the point people would by their best car due to their free will.
@neosoontoretro 1) define false choice(i actually like that concept and will incorporate it into my theory) 2.) but bringing it up as a fallacy in the theory is a strawman argument. for instance(just to clarify) you have the option of the 3 best cars in the world that come close to fitting your needs. You can design the options of which you think can compete with the optimum choice i gave before. in the End your "choice" will be the one that best fits your needs. Therefore you are still...part1
@JGvisions 1) You're still not getting it. The options you gave were sound options. Option #1 was the only choice one could make while option #2 and #3 would only result in undesirable outcomes. In other words only one option was given and there really isn't a choice. By giving only one option you neglected possible better option for the person to choose. Again that is not a strawman that is pointing out a flaw in your argument.
@neosoontoretro im a bit confused, you said i gave sounds options but then turn around to say but since the other 2 options would result to an undesirable outcome, there really isnt a choice in which because your going to pick the best one. 1) first, that is the point of example (in an extreme sense). there are sitautions where you need to fulfill a need or want and when presented with said "Options", there is a distinct and clear selection to make in the given example. when presented...part 1
Oh, you are 100 and ten percent correct in stating the definition of cosmology and the such. that is the definition but you failed to understand the concept of the word is cosmo- meaning the universe. its a term used loosely by psychologist who are attempting it, to create a grand unified or universal theory of human behavior. its sort of like a psychologist 's version of the philosophers stone of human behavior.
...subject to the principle of "false choice" because your "choice" was heavily influenced exclusively by outside factors.
3) Oh good point, though i would wager that if the urge to fulfill the wants over the needs wasn't strong enough in an irrational person, would they still pick the "irrational choice"? I would think that the fact that the urge to fulfill the want is still indicactive of the principle because it STILL influenced your choice,lol. 4.) Nope, because your will was...part 2
...in, what they learned from their social teachers, ect., that dictated how they act. by that definition most people are free from judgement in my book. in fact, im going to do a vido series explain the entirty of my theory or cosmological concept because it encompasses alot of other well know and unknown concepts. it to big to fully explain on here. well any way, i hope you enjoyed my 2 cents.
This spills into understanding individuals on psychological and sociological level. i've made this into staple part of my personality because ive had situations where i was dealing with difficult people who had issues or problems and in the past i tended to be like everyone else and treat them like shit because i felt or was taught that people have a choice in how they act. when i took a step back, realized that is wasn't there fault but the expereinces they had, situations they were...part 4
@JGvisions You're subverting personal responsiblity as I said before its more about how someone responds to their experiece as opposed to having the experience.
pretty much yes. if nothing is influencing your decision on the chose, then your will is truly free. i would say(jokingly but in real sense philosophical true) that the best form of free will is a coin toss.
here is an experiment for you. go out and keep your eyes peeled for a black man in a suit and tie. walk up to him and ask (under the pretext of doing a scientific study,lol) did you have two parents in the home when you were growing up? what neighborhood did you grow up in. what culture do you identify with (afrocentric, carribean, african american) you will find the corrolation are the causations for why this person is successful.
@neosoontoretro Dude, nowhere in my statement did I say all African American men are not shy, I'm saying I don't believe THAT African American dude, is shy or ever has been. You kinda jumped to conclusions there...
@mkk316 I didn't say that you meant all African American men. You just seem to jump the gun to judge someone based on apperance. A lot of people seem to make assumptions about people based on apperance alone. If you're not one of those people that is great, but for a moment you sounded like one.
@neosoontoretro Fair enough, but I'm not the only to express disbelief that that guy would be shy, not sure why you jumped on my comment, or said it was a little racist, was it because I identified him as black? Cuz i assure it had nothing to do with that.
@mkk316 No, I assure that wasn't it. For a moment I thought you were basing your perspective on apperances as his a six foot black guy couldn't be shy.
@neosoontoretro LOL, would like to say that first, that was not a racist remark. second, Most you people have no idea what racism is,lol. every time someone hears some remark that has a racial bend to it, You say its racist. I think what the lady in the vid was saying culturally, BM dont come off as Shy. its just something thats not in our culture. yes there are shy BM in the world but generally speaking, bm arent shy.
@JGvisions You're making a hasty generalization which is in fact pretty racist. And if you actullay could read I took back the remark that the comment was racist.
@neosoontoretro Actually, thats not racist. thats a generalization based on facts, first and second hand experience, and hypothesized assumptions from a sociological and pyschological perspective. i've studied psychology and have an interest in sociology and its well known culturally speaking, you do learn certain behaviors from your culture and peers in the same culture. Machismo mentality from spanish men is a cultural thing which is learned. part 1.
@JGvisions Uh... not to be rude but if you actully studied psychology, sociology, or logic you would not that you can't make generalizations based on half-truths.
You can actually make generalizations based on half-truths. half-truths regardless of whether or not they are.....half(lol) are still truth or more importantly facts. Someones personal experiences can be individualistics, yes i agree but we are just evolved animals who tend to react the same way or in similar manner to similar positive and negative stimuli. Your past experiences dictate how you act and react to situations in the present. Your culture through which your experiences...part1
@JGvisions I'm afraid that you're guilty of faulty generalization. The reason you can't generalize based on half truths is because that would be consider Cherry pickiing. Which is "suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position."
...are filtured and colored by, which dictate your actions. like the example i gave before about spanish culture and machismo, in a give situation you can pick any spanish dude on the street and statistically, you more likely then not have an individual who does not suffer from said problem of shyness. machismo is part of the culture and therefore you can generalized about said possible behavior in the give situation. part 2.
@JGvisions You're reasoning that you more likely to not find an shy individual withn the spanish communiy of the package deal fallacy. The fallacy that things or people must always be generalized based on culture and/or tradition.
@neosoontoretro i would wager that is the point of generalization. you need to generalized in some instances whether on a individualistic level or on a more cosmological level when refering to large groups of people. You can determine behavior on a massive scale by analyzing the components of a culture and what the meta of those components are. Said skill and concept is ued by companies when doing business with others from diverse and different cultures. fundamentally, the concept..part1
that is exactly what im saying and that is the point. that is the purpose of a culture. cultures are prepackaged instructions on how to survive. the purpose is to imprint a set established tested behaviors and traditions which foster success in a given life endevor. Men who are shy, who dont have all or most of the characteristics of a well adjusted individual in society or does not explify what culture they come from did not assimilate said tenents of his/her culture and...part1
...and therefore will have those social problems of which we speak. inherently, black/spanish/italian/french men culturally are known to be well adjusted in regards to dealing with women but it also serves as an indicator when you are confronted by an outlier that something is amiss. I mean, how many times have we stood by looking at a person and figured that they are ok just because but dont look at the factors they are affect by. Like seeing a kid in school look like so so in appearance..part2
...but then when u look at in comparrison to his 2 or 3 brothers and sisters, they look way better with better clothing and the such, something is amiss. the behavior of the child begins to deviate from the usual but again, most people will ignore these little warning signs. This is sociology on a smaller scale of which branches out. because the individuals in groups think alike and when one does not think alike in said fashion and deviates, there must be a fundamental reason...part 3
...why said person deviates from the norm and becomes the outlier(beyond the fallacish idea of Choice or individuality). Usually you become the outlier by random incident or twist of fate. something is different about you which you did not CHOOSE which sets you apart from the group whether it be by your understanding you being different or by actions of the group to you being ananomoly. Deviate behavior has a pattern because it itself deviates from a cultural social pattern...part 3
@JGvisions So you're saying out all the billions of people in this world no one chooses to be different for genuine reasons? That is due to random incident or twist of fate? That is extremely oversimplifed.
Simply put, a man is shy because he did not assimilate or have imprinted onto him the entirety of his Culture. His home life, which is the strongest reflection of and indoctrinator of his culture, did not foster the assimilation completly or at all which leads to social interactive problems. The concept of individuality is a faulty concept. because you are a copy of your parents ideas and upbring, the subculture of your freinds, the indoctrination by your school teachers, ect...part 4
@JGvisions You couldn't be any more wrong. Speaking for myself I am very different from my parents, I disagreed with most of my teachers, and hardly had anything in common with my friends. Again you're not getting it. The packaged deal thinking is indeed a falllacy. Also, you're assuming that culture imprintion is more likely to decrease shyness. But that is only assuming that the culture is exotroverted and aggesive. And assuming that parent themselve embrace that culture.
@neosoontoretro Oh, i could be wrong, i will admit that because what im talking about is working theory. But the thing is you personally and how you developed maybe an outlier in and of itself. Plus, you can say you are different than your parents but where did you get your sense of morality,integrity, honesty, ect., from? did you raise yourself? as you grew up, did you discover for yourself what morality,justice,ect., with no guidence at all? you did assimilate part of who and what...part 1
...from your parents. Where did you get your academic ideology? Did you educate yourself outside the confines of modern education system? i have a pretty good idea how you can and may answer these quesitions but ill leave it up to you. In general sociology/psychology does postulate that out of all the permutations that can come about in regards to a personality and "Individuality", they all happen do to outside forces instead of through choice.
...damn, so much for keeping track of these responses. in regards to the comment above, i beleive it has something to do with free will and choice. Now fundamentally, my interpretation of the commonly accepted idea is that its a flawed concept. Actual Free Will is the ability to make a choice that is not influenced by any outside force or circumstances. by the fact that There is a REASON why you choose, negates the validity of freedom you have to choose anything. For example...part 1
@JGvisions So you're definition of free will is making your own choices just for the sake of making your own choices? That is basically what you're saying by complaining that any reason negates validity of free will.
...let us say you are in need of a car for work. u have 30gs to spend and you need a car that can get you to work in 30 minutes( and each minutes is a mile). Now i give you 3 "choices" in a car. 1 car gets 120 miles for the gallion and can get you to work on time. the 2nd car looks hot but gets ony 20 miles a gallon. the 3rd car looks ok gets 15 to the gallon. Now i can just as easily give you only once "choice" which is the best car or give you three with the illusion of choice...part 2
...A logical person would not pick any of the other cars in the given choice accept for the best one. his decision is influenced and dictated by his need. therefore his Choice is not free from any influences and thus not bound by free will. the only reason why people (and this is in regards to AA of which i am) make "bad" choice is because they do not have the proper information to make the best descision on anything, or lack the ability to see the future effects of said decisions beyond..part 3
@JGvisions This is a false scenario because one you assume that person is able to afford the best choice.Two you supressed other options that can be an argubaly better choice. Third, you forget that people have different needs for different circumstances. Fourth, a lot people buy new cars because they want one as opposed to needing one. Fifth, just because a decision leads to a bad outcome does not mean it was the wrong one.
...beyond the present moment in time. this is why it appears as if an individual might have choice and free will. in regards to individuals, You in particular, did not choose to be who you are no more than your friends chose their parents or that your teacher chose to be a teacher in the sense that you were heavily influence by some force, person, event, ect., that shaped who you are. Environment, culture, influences, and experiences dictate who you are.
@JGvisions There are many people who would prove you wrong. It's not about the experiences as opposed to how you respond to those experiences which takes free will. As for the environmental and cultural influences yes it does play a part in what makes an individual. However, is it the be all and end all no. Again I'm very different from my parents, teacher only job is to give facts not mold morality or personal choices of a student, and it's not the event by how you choose to respond to it.
...i would say that you can further increase your chances of determining the behavior of a person by observing certain things about that person. How they walk, the clothing they wear, how they wear it, how they speak, ect. all these things can be used to determine what to expect from a person. Ive had many situations in my life as well as second hand experiences where how i dressed and how i spoke and carried myself got me the job because i did not come off as if i was ghetto...part 3
@JGvisions Okay? Judging a individual based on the mannerism. speech, clothing, etc. Is not the same thing as judging an entire group of people which is what you're talking about. To say that it is the same thing is a false comparison.
...or that my interest was in politics, economic,ect., instead of music and sports (and i was told alot of this in my face from some of my employers). that those little external observable characteristics are indicative of what type of person you are dealing with and of what to expect. Because a person who goes to harvard is less likely to wear baggy jeans or talk with slang just as much as its unlikely that a person from the hood will be into politics or current events., ect. Part 4
i've lived my life by this fundamental principle and its gotten me pretty far in life. (which at first was just an illusionary tactic but has since become part of my real character). yes i know this is some counter establishment BS that doesnt go well with those who want the world to be a pretty place and dont beleive in such things but humans arent that evolved to the point where our outer appearance, how we speak, what we say, ect., are NOT seperate from who we are.
@neosoontoretro also, generalizations are based upon observed behavior, statisical data, and detailed anaylysis of said data(if your coming from a academic perspective) tend to be true when taken in context of said situations. For instance(and this also helps to refute your statement about not judging a person by their appearance) you observe 2 guys (BM) Looking at a women, One wearing flashy jewerly and attractive clothing and the other is just an average joe, which one do you believe...part2
@JGvisions "also, generalizations are based upon observed behavior, statisical data, and detailed anaylysis of said data(if your coming from a academic perspective) tend to be true when taken in context of said situation."
I'm afraid to say that this defys logic. You're scenario that is merely based on two people is indeed a hasty generalization. You're taking specific situation and applying it to the whole which is a fallacy.
@neosoontoretro will be more inclined to approached the young lady? i mean, we do to some extent take into account certain factors like how we look, do we have money, do we have "game", ect. statistically its more probable that the guy with the flashy stuff will approach the young lady. i mean thats the reason why he has the flashy stuff in the first place,lol. shy men are pretty much aware of these things and take them into account to some extent when they decide to not approach...
@JGvisions "i mean thats the reason why he has the flashy stuff in the first place,lol. shy men are pretty much aware of these things and take them into account to some extent when they decide to not approach..."
But you're generalization based on race as opposed to common behavioral traits of certain individuals.
@neosoontoretro You can actually generalize on race,lol. i've used generalization all my life an for some reason i tend not to be wrong in them. that is of course a possible fallacy because anyone can say they had such and such experiences and analyzed this and that. But behavioral traits have many different components to them. one his is individualistic and the other is cultural. culture itself tends to imprint itself onto the individualistic components hereby controlling the behavior.
@neosoontoretro also(i love saying also-kinda like saying one more thing like grandpa from jacky chan adventures) you did not actually take back the remark. you clarified why you said the other posters remark appeared to make it seem as if they were "racist"(i guess because generalizing and "jumping the gun to judge based on appearances" automatically makes you racist,lol) but we do that all the time in regards to judging people by appearance.
Well thank you, I think this is by far the biggest load of shit I ever watched on YouTube. What an achievement given the level of garbage posted on this site.
1) Any HALF WAY decent looking woman can get ANY MAN they want if they display intrest.
2) Women paying to learn what is essentialy a female version of pick up is stupid nice how they play on their vanity (why let that shy guy get away just bc he is dazzled by your looks?)
I'm one of those shy guys an I'll tell why most shy guys are shy. They were born that way! I cant tell you how times Ive lost someone i really liked because i was too shy to ask them out. So here's my advice. Don't sit back any let them go make attempts any don't worry about getting burnt. Just keep trying and you'll get it sooner or later.
@SexyVelour maybe that's true, but sometimes they dont want shy girls... but once they decided they actually want to get to know a shy girl a little closer she has got herself and exciting boyfriend
I absolutely agree mate. Goes for women too. Most of the shyness comes from being jaded when they were younger, like in high school. That's when they were either made fun of or they got rejected a lot. I know plenty of guys who used to be more outgoing with women but are now more shy because they got tired of putting up with the crap of women today. Too many teases out there. The women talk about what they want but they don't know what they want until they find it.
Shy guys don't get dates because they don't approach, lol, and it's socially frowned upon for women to approach. Shy guys can overcome that by being friends first (but making romantic gestures so she doesn't put him in the friend's category) and then casually suggesting going out... Just my thoughts!
You must not be like most women then. It also depends on how the guy goes about approaching. Also, two shy people trying to start a conversation doesn't always work.
Unfortunately, too many shy guys insist on seeing the negative. :\ Don't let the bad experiences of life get you so down on yourself. If you constantly have a rain cloud hovering over your head and look like you're on the verge of slitting your wrists, that *will* send women running. If you're shy and smile, girls/women will think that's cute. :)
@thebahana This is very true. This is why men can often be jackasses or douches and still get hot women. This world is full of so many weak and spirit broken men having an asshole is often a much better alternative for women
@Arenzoj I'd never get involved with a douchey guy, lol (I'd prefer to be single)...but you're right. Sadly, the choices are usually broken, dejected men, or jerks. Sometimes it seems like there are hardly any guys who are just nice and normal...but I feel that's what most women really want. Instead, the choices seem to be for the most part between being a guy's psychologist or his psychological-punching-bag. I know it's not easy for guys who are shy because of the social expectations, though.
i mean, go to any town city or country and if you see a uniformed behavior of any kind that is not choice. You go to canada and pick any random person and mathematically speaking, they will like Hockey. Go to africa or some where on ivory coast and i garauntee you will most likely find that any person you stop is muslim. yes, that is generalization but a generalization based on a present and clear reality of how you dont have choice in things like that.
JGvisions 7 months ago
...Mind you again, that in all these examples, the prime common denominator is the culture itself. So if people really have free will to choose, they would act opposite of what the culture dictates to them to behave for the better(because african american culture has become inimical yet if we collectively had free will, we would not still be practicing the negative aspects of the culture). just as much as one can say that islamic culture has a 3-4% divorce rate, where is...part 2
JGvisions 7 months ago
In other words, free will(in a non religious perspective) loosely is willfully performing an act free from outside influences or cohersion. when you have a need, want, tast, mentality, preference, ect., you free will is influenced because its going to dictate how you make a discision to the extent that it can be predicted. hense your will is not free nor is it a choice when taken into perspective on what influences your choice or what coherses you to do so.
JGvisions 7 months ago
...the specifications of what your looking for just as much as if i gave you a "choice" in the three best cars, you would still pick the same car out of those options. 2.) the reason why its a straw man argument is because the principle itself will remain the same and is factual even if you(and i do mean YOU) decide to provide options to replace choices #2 and #3, said person confronted with the "choice" will still pick the BEST car to fit his needs or wants.....part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions 1) External influences does not negate free will because you have a choice to be influenced by them or want thsoe influences my be. In other words someone can choose to ignore external influences or choose influences that fit your beliefs. 2) Its not a straw man because with your scenario there was only one choice. But with more choices there is more need for free will.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
1.) actually, i would be able to agree with you except that you forget enmasse about kids being raised in a particular religion coming out with the same religious beleifs of the parent. Or culturally speaking why african americans still deal with and inherently make inimical choices in regards to breaking free from a bad culture. Or why palestinians are still at war with Isrealis over land they could easily share(mind you al jezzer actively promotes conflict between the two cultures)...part 1
JGvisions 7 months ago
...and there are also sitautions where the "choice" isnt so clear to make. you have to analayze the options afforded to you and pick the best "choice that fits your needs. ergo, you are going to pick the best car out of the best options depending upon you being a logical person, the information provided about the car or situation, and your need or want. in fact you said it the best in your earlier response because out it will be the same thing if i just gave you the car that best fits...part 2
JGvisions 7 months ago
so though when you hear or read about some far out theory or idea and it looks like its has almost nothing to do with the subject matter except for a slight relevence, this is do to the fact that the theory or idea your hearing is built upon more complex and sophistacated accepted concepts. hense why i have to do a video on this subject to explain how all these different subject fit together.
JGvisions 7 months ago
actually look up cosmological. yes it has its roots in astronomy but the term is used to define a concept in psychology/sociology called a grand unified theory of behavior( all fields of science has something like it) where those in those fields are trying to unite and find a grand unifed thoery uniting and combining all the theories and schools of thought in regards to that particular field of study.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions I have looked up cosmology and I'm afraid you mistaken. "Cosmology is the study of the structure of the universe from the standpoint of physics. The term is often used synonymously with cosmogony in casual conversations." Scientists and mathmatician have used fields like astronomy to study people but as many of them would say people are much more complicated than numbers.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...still dictated by the fuction of buying the car for a need or want. would you buy a car that you didnt need?...or want? if you will is predicated on something, then you will is therefore influence and NOT free.
JGvisions 7 months ago
...want them to do so does not refute that they do have some influence whether it be great or minute, it is an influence. You would not have turned out well adjusted if they did not directly influence your developement and growth. ask yourself, why did you turn out different than your parents or most of your freinds as you say? were you objectively aware of your development into a unique person? keep in mind that if there is a reason then you did not choose to be different.
JGvisions 7 months ago
..way when dealing with. But on a grander scale when you look at home life, sociol life(friends), academic life, sociol/economic factors, and events and situation that occur where a particular behavior will be repeated based upon the out come of the event, what true choice do you actually have in anything? the teachers and other people you say should not do those things stated do so indirectly and influences you anyway. You have to understand that though they should not and you do not...part 4
JGvisions 7 months ago
Oh i can agree with you on that. i know some people that also defy the odds on that as well. i am myself my own outlier to my theory. But in regards to experiences, do you beleive that if you have constantly reaccuring experiences and your response to it triggers a negative outcome constantly, will continue to react the same way? You have to take a step back and look at the picture as a whole. A person can look at an individual incident and say oh, you can choose to act a certain...part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
...possible chance of getting the results you want. 6) in regards to the person not having enough money for the best choice of whatever, does not refute that fact that your decision is based on outside factors. In fact that defeats itself because if you dont have the money necessary to buy the best option, what is left to you is what you will pick if it is a necessity. therefore the factor of not having money dictated your "Choice".
JGvisions 7 months ago
...set by the parameters for buying the car. I can be rich dude who is a car collector and have a set of parameters to buy the car(its a new model, it fits a collection, its a certain color, its a collectors item., ect.) 5.) that is the Snafu priniciple. yes the environment and random chaos can and does play a part in possibly giving you a different result from what is expect when one is making a "choice". but even in such circumstances proper planning and execution give you the best...part 2
JGvisions 7 months ago
1) its a scenerio with parameters designed to prove a point. 2) i did not surpress better option because it would take me forever to list the infinite number of options that could be better(this is a strawman arguement), 3) the fact that the NEED exist proves that if that need over rides the importance of going to work(in the example) then it is still the over-riding influence dictating the "choice" of the best car.4) and you would still buy the best car or the one tailored to your taste..part1
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions 1) Its a scenario guilty of a false choice. 2) Not supressing evidence is not straw man argument nice try thou 3) But wants also exist as well and has override need. 4) You missed the point people would by their best car due to their free will.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro 1) define false choice(i actually like that concept and will incorporate it into my theory) 2.) but bringing it up as a fallacy in the theory is a strawman argument. for instance(just to clarify) you have the option of the 3 best cars in the world that come close to fitting your needs. You can design the options of which you think can compete with the optimum choice i gave before. in the End your "choice" will be the one that best fits your needs. Therefore you are still...part1
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions 1) You're still not getting it. The options you gave were sound options. Option #1 was the only choice one could make while option #2 and #3 would only result in undesirable outcomes. In other words only one option was given and there really isn't a choice. By giving only one option you neglected possible better option for the person to choose. Again that is not a strawman that is pointing out a flaw in your argument.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro im a bit confused, you said i gave sounds options but then turn around to say but since the other 2 options would result to an undesirable outcome, there really isnt a choice in which because your going to pick the best one. 1) first, that is the point of example (in an extreme sense). there are sitautions where you need to fulfill a need or want and when presented with said "Options", there is a distinct and clear selection to make in the given example. when presented...part 1
JGvisions 7 months ago
Oh, you are 100 and ten percent correct in stating the definition of cosmology and the such. that is the definition but you failed to understand the concept of the word is cosmo- meaning the universe. its a term used loosely by psychologist who are attempting it, to create a grand unified or universal theory of human behavior. its sort of like a psychologist 's version of the philosophers stone of human behavior.
JGvisions 7 months ago
...subject to the principle of "false choice" because your "choice" was heavily influenced exclusively by outside factors.
3) Oh good point, though i would wager that if the urge to fulfill the wants over the needs wasn't strong enough in an irrational person, would they still pick the "irrational choice"? I would think that the fact that the urge to fulfill the want is still indicactive of the principle because it STILL influenced your choice,lol. 4.) Nope, because your will was...part 2
JGvisions 7 months ago
...in, what they learned from their social teachers, ect., that dictated how they act. by that definition most people are free from judgement in my book. in fact, im going to do a vido series explain the entirty of my theory or cosmological concept because it encompasses alot of other well know and unknown concepts. it to big to fully explain on here. well any way, i hope you enjoyed my 2 cents.
JGvisions 7 months ago
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neosoontoretro 7 months ago
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@JGvisions Uh and what? Cosmology as to with the study of the universe what does that have to do with free will or the lack thereof?
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
This spills into understanding individuals on psychological and sociological level. i've made this into staple part of my personality because ive had situations where i was dealing with difficult people who had issues or problems and in the past i tended to be like everyone else and treat them like shit because i felt or was taught that people have a choice in how they act. when i took a step back, realized that is wasn't there fault but the expereinces they had, situations they were...part 4
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions You're subverting personal responsiblity as I said before its more about how someone responds to their experiece as opposed to having the experience.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
pretty much yes. if nothing is influencing your decision on the chose, then your will is truly free. i would say(jokingly but in real sense philosophical true) that the best form of free will is a coin toss.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions Uh there is a difference between chance and free will.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro oh, what is the difference then,lol?
JGvisions 7 months ago
here is an experiment for you. go out and keep your eyes peeled for a black man in a suit and tie. walk up to him and ask (under the pretext of doing a scientific study,lol) did you have two parents in the home when you were growing up? what neighborhood did you grow up in. what culture do you identify with (afrocentric, carribean, african american) you will find the corrolation are the causations for why this person is successful.
JGvisions 7 months ago
lol
strukt87 9 months ago
I'm supposed to believe the black guy at the end of this video is a "shy guy"? pfffffffft.
mkk316 10 months ago
@mkk316 That is a little racist. You know there men who are African American that are shy.
neosoontoretro 8 months ago
@neosoontoretro Dude, nowhere in my statement did I say all African American men are not shy, I'm saying I don't believe THAT African American dude, is shy or ever has been. You kinda jumped to conclusions there...
mkk316 8 months ago
@mkk316 I didn't say that you meant all African American men. You just seem to jump the gun to judge someone based on apperance. A lot of people seem to make assumptions about people based on apperance alone. If you're not one of those people that is great, but for a moment you sounded like one.
neosoontoretro 8 months ago
@neosoontoretro Fair enough, but I'm not the only to express disbelief that that guy would be shy, not sure why you jumped on my comment, or said it was a little racist, was it because I identified him as black? Cuz i assure it had nothing to do with that.
mkk316 8 months ago
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neosoontoretro 8 months ago
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@mkk316 No, I assure that wasn't it. For a moment I thought you were basing your perspective on apperances as his a six foot black guy couldn't be shy.
But I'm wlling to admit I was wrong.
neosoontoretro 8 months ago
@neosoontoretro LOL, would like to say that first, that was not a racist remark. second, Most you people have no idea what racism is,lol. every time someone hears some remark that has a racial bend to it, You say its racist. I think what the lady in the vid was saying culturally, BM dont come off as Shy. its just something thats not in our culture. yes there are shy BM in the world but generally speaking, bm arent shy.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions You're making a hasty generalization which is in fact pretty racist. And if you actullay could read I took back the remark that the comment was racist.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro Actually, thats not racist. thats a generalization based on facts, first and second hand experience, and hypothesized assumptions from a sociological and pyschological perspective. i've studied psychology and have an interest in sociology and its well known culturally speaking, you do learn certain behaviors from your culture and peers in the same culture. Machismo mentality from spanish men is a cultural thing which is learned. part 1.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions Uh... not to be rude but if you actully studied psychology, sociology, or logic you would not that you can't make generalizations based on half-truths.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
You can actually make generalizations based on half-truths. half-truths regardless of whether or not they are.....half(lol) are still truth or more importantly facts. Someones personal experiences can be individualistics, yes i agree but we are just evolved animals who tend to react the same way or in similar manner to similar positive and negative stimuli. Your past experiences dictate how you act and react to situations in the present. Your culture through which your experiences...part1
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions I'm afraid that you're guilty of faulty generalization. The reason you can't generalize based on half truths is because that would be consider Cherry pickiing. Which is "suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position."
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...are filtured and colored by, which dictate your actions. like the example i gave before about spanish culture and machismo, in a give situation you can pick any spanish dude on the street and statistically, you more likely then not have an individual who does not suffer from said problem of shyness. machismo is part of the culture and therefore you can generalized about said possible behavior in the give situation. part 2.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions You're reasoning that you more likely to not find an shy individual withn the spanish communiy of the package deal fallacy. The fallacy that things or people must always be generalized based on culture and/or tradition.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro i would wager that is the point of generalization. you need to generalized in some instances whether on a individualistic level or on a more cosmological level when refering to large groups of people. You can determine behavior on a massive scale by analyzing the components of a culture and what the meta of those components are. Said skill and concept is ued by companies when doing business with others from diverse and different cultures. fundamentally, the concept..part1
JGvisions 7 months ago
that is exactly what im saying and that is the point. that is the purpose of a culture. cultures are prepackaged instructions on how to survive. the purpose is to imprint a set established tested behaviors and traditions which foster success in a given life endevor. Men who are shy, who dont have all or most of the characteristics of a well adjusted individual in society or does not explify what culture they come from did not assimilate said tenents of his/her culture and...part1
JGvisions 7 months ago
...and therefore will have those social problems of which we speak. inherently, black/spanish/italian/french men culturally are known to be well adjusted in regards to dealing with women but it also serves as an indicator when you are confronted by an outlier that something is amiss. I mean, how many times have we stood by looking at a person and figured that they are ok just because but dont look at the factors they are affect by. Like seeing a kid in school look like so so in appearance..part2
JGvisions 7 months ago
...but then when u look at in comparrison to his 2 or 3 brothers and sisters, they look way better with better clothing and the such, something is amiss. the behavior of the child begins to deviate from the usual but again, most people will ignore these little warning signs. This is sociology on a smaller scale of which branches out. because the individuals in groups think alike and when one does not think alike in said fashion and deviates, there must be a fundamental reason...part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
...why said person deviates from the norm and becomes the outlier(beyond the fallacish idea of Choice or individuality). Usually you become the outlier by random incident or twist of fate. something is different about you which you did not CHOOSE which sets you apart from the group whether it be by your understanding you being different or by actions of the group to you being ananomoly. Deviate behavior has a pattern because it itself deviates from a cultural social pattern...part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions So you're saying out all the billions of people in this world no one chooses to be different for genuine reasons? That is due to random incident or twist of fate? That is extremely oversimplifed.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
Simply put, a man is shy because he did not assimilate or have imprinted onto him the entirety of his Culture. His home life, which is the strongest reflection of and indoctrinator of his culture, did not foster the assimilation completly or at all which leads to social interactive problems. The concept of individuality is a faulty concept. because you are a copy of your parents ideas and upbring, the subculture of your freinds, the indoctrination by your school teachers, ect...part 4
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions You couldn't be any more wrong. Speaking for myself I am very different from my parents, I disagreed with most of my teachers, and hardly had anything in common with my friends. Again you're not getting it. The packaged deal thinking is indeed a falllacy. Also, you're assuming that culture imprintion is more likely to decrease shyness. But that is only assuming that the culture is exotroverted and aggesive. And assuming that parent themselve embrace that culture.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro Oh, i could be wrong, i will admit that because what im talking about is working theory. But the thing is you personally and how you developed maybe an outlier in and of itself. Plus, you can say you are different than your parents but where did you get your sense of morality,integrity, honesty, ect., from? did you raise yourself? as you grew up, did you discover for yourself what morality,justice,ect., with no guidence at all? you did assimilate part of who and what...part 1
JGvisions 7 months ago
...from your parents. Where did you get your academic ideology? Did you educate yourself outside the confines of modern education system? i have a pretty good idea how you can and may answer these quesitions but ill leave it up to you. In general sociology/psychology does postulate that out of all the permutations that can come about in regards to a personality and "Individuality", they all happen do to outside forces instead of through choice.
JGvisions 7 months ago
...damn, so much for keeping track of these responses. in regards to the comment above, i beleive it has something to do with free will and choice. Now fundamentally, my interpretation of the commonly accepted idea is that its a flawed concept. Actual Free Will is the ability to make a choice that is not influenced by any outside force or circumstances. by the fact that There is a REASON why you choose, negates the validity of freedom you have to choose anything. For example...part 1
JGvisions 7 months ago
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neosoontoretro 7 months ago
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@JGvisions So you're definition of free will is making your own choices just for the sake of making your own choices? That is basically what you're saying by complaining that any reason negates validity of free will.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...let us say you are in need of a car for work. u have 30gs to spend and you need a car that can get you to work in 30 minutes( and each minutes is a mile). Now i give you 3 "choices" in a car. 1 car gets 120 miles for the gallion and can get you to work on time. the 2nd car looks hot but gets ony 20 miles a gallon. the 3rd car looks ok gets 15 to the gallon. Now i can just as easily give you only once "choice" which is the best car or give you three with the illusion of choice...part 2
JGvisions 7 months ago
...A logical person would not pick any of the other cars in the given choice accept for the best one. his decision is influenced and dictated by his need. therefore his Choice is not free from any influences and thus not bound by free will. the only reason why people (and this is in regards to AA of which i am) make "bad" choice is because they do not have the proper information to make the best descision on anything, or lack the ability to see the future effects of said decisions beyond..part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions This is a false scenario because one you assume that person is able to afford the best choice.Two you supressed other options that can be an argubaly better choice. Third, you forget that people have different needs for different circumstances. Fourth, a lot people buy new cars because they want one as opposed to needing one. Fifth, just because a decision leads to a bad outcome does not mean it was the wrong one.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...beyond the present moment in time. this is why it appears as if an individual might have choice and free will. in regards to individuals, You in particular, did not choose to be who you are no more than your friends chose their parents or that your teacher chose to be a teacher in the sense that you were heavily influence by some force, person, event, ect., that shaped who you are. Environment, culture, influences, and experiences dictate who you are.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions There are many people who would prove you wrong. It's not about the experiences as opposed to how you respond to those experiences which takes free will. As for the environmental and cultural influences yes it does play a part in what makes an individual. However, is it the be all and end all no. Again I'm very different from my parents, teacher only job is to give facts not mold morality or personal choices of a student, and it's not the event by how you choose to respond to it.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...i would say that you can further increase your chances of determining the behavior of a person by observing certain things about that person. How they walk, the clothing they wear, how they wear it, how they speak, ect. all these things can be used to determine what to expect from a person. Ive had many situations in my life as well as second hand experiences where how i dressed and how i spoke and carried myself got me the job because i did not come off as if i was ghetto...part 3
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions Okay? Judging a individual based on the mannerism. speech, clothing, etc. Is not the same thing as judging an entire group of people which is what you're talking about. To say that it is the same thing is a false comparison.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
...or that my interest was in politics, economic,ect., instead of music and sports (and i was told alot of this in my face from some of my employers). that those little external observable characteristics are indicative of what type of person you are dealing with and of what to expect. Because a person who goes to harvard is less likely to wear baggy jeans or talk with slang just as much as its unlikely that a person from the hood will be into politics or current events., ect. Part 4
JGvisions 7 months ago
i've lived my life by this fundamental principle and its gotten me pretty far in life. (which at first was just an illusionary tactic but has since become part of my real character). yes i know this is some counter establishment BS that doesnt go well with those who want the world to be a pretty place and dont beleive in such things but humans arent that evolved to the point where our outer appearance, how we speak, what we say, ect., are NOT seperate from who we are.
JGvisions 7 months ago
actually, check out my channel, talks alot about this indepth.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro also, generalizations are based upon observed behavior, statisical data, and detailed anaylysis of said data(if your coming from a academic perspective) tend to be true when taken in context of said situations. For instance(and this also helps to refute your statement about not judging a person by their appearance) you observe 2 guys (BM) Looking at a women, One wearing flashy jewerly and attractive clothing and the other is just an average joe, which one do you believe...part2
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions "also, generalizations are based upon observed behavior, statisical data, and detailed anaylysis of said data(if your coming from a academic perspective) tend to be true when taken in context of said situation."
I'm afraid to say that this defys logic. You're scenario that is merely based on two people is indeed a hasty generalization. You're taking specific situation and applying it to the whole which is a fallacy.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro will be more inclined to approached the young lady? i mean, we do to some extent take into account certain factors like how we look, do we have money, do we have "game", ect. statistically its more probable that the guy with the flashy stuff will approach the young lady. i mean thats the reason why he has the flashy stuff in the first place,lol. shy men are pretty much aware of these things and take them into account to some extent when they decide to not approach...
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions "i mean thats the reason why he has the flashy stuff in the first place,lol. shy men are pretty much aware of these things and take them into account to some extent when they decide to not approach..."
But you're generalization based on race as opposed to common behavioral traits of certain individuals.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro You can actually generalize on race,lol. i've used generalization all my life an for some reason i tend not to be wrong in them. that is of course a possible fallacy because anyone can say they had such and such experiences and analyzed this and that. But behavioral traits have many different components to them. one his is individualistic and the other is cultural. culture itself tends to imprint itself onto the individualistic components hereby controlling the behavior.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions Again you're using the package deal fallacy and very seldom is someone right by making racial generalizations.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@neosoontoretro also(i love saying also-kinda like saying one more thing like grandpa from jacky chan adventures) you did not actually take back the remark. you clarified why you said the other posters remark appeared to make it seem as if they were "racist"(i guess because generalizing and "jumping the gun to judge based on appearances" automatically makes you racist,lol) but we do that all the time in regards to judging people by appearance.
JGvisions 7 months ago
@JGvisions "you did not actually take back the remark"
Really?
"But I'm wlling to admit I was wrong."
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
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neosoontoretro 7 months ago
@JGvisions Oh and whether or not someone is shy has nothing to do with culture.
neosoontoretro 7 months ago
???
jweb8000 11 months ago
that guy is NOT shy
nepalnt21 11 months ago
not all guys are "shy" come check me out!
MrShitstained 11 months ago
eww a nucca
vittoamp 11 months ago
every person having tons of emotional.so.who knows you brave on date but shy while others?
unknown0914123 1 year ago
my god ur hot.
EtyleN 1 year ago
I wanna be taken advantage by a nice girl!
ariehradioativo 1 year ago
''Intemidated by beautiful women? Dazzled by your gorgeous looks? Oh come on ladies don't kid yourselves.
kos66t 1 year ago
I like how both hearts are brown.. LOL. Also humanity fails.
Pro902 1 year ago
Well thank you, I think this is by far the biggest load of shit I ever watched on YouTube. What an achievement given the level of garbage posted on this site.
SirAlexFerguson2010 1 year ago
This is retarded for a lot of reasons
1) Any HALF WAY decent looking woman can get ANY MAN they want if they display intrest.
2) Women paying to learn what is essentialy a female version of pick up is stupid nice how they play on their vanity (why let that shy guy get away just bc he is dazzled by your looks?)
Arenzoj 1 year ago
@Arenzoj Any HALF WAY decent looking woman can get ANY MAN they want if they display interest? Where that idea come from?
kos66t 1 year ago
thanks for wasting 45 seconds of my life.
Huffinearts 1 year ago
haha this is weird
dogmashine 2 years ago
I'm one of those shy guys an I'll tell why most shy guys are shy. They were born that way! I cant tell you how times Ive lost someone i really liked because i was too shy to ask them out. So here's my advice. Don't sit back any let them go make attempts any don't worry about getting burnt. Just keep trying and you'll get it sooner or later.
stjimmy301 2 years ago 3
this video realy sucks
ultra4477 2 years ago 20
The shy guys are usually the ones who were taking advantage of, made fun of, and/or used by girls when they were younger.
jumpa305 2 years ago
If they go for the bad or popular girls, yes. They should go for girls similar to themselves - the pretty, shy girls. ;)
SexyVelour 2 years ago 2
@SexyVelour maybe that's true, but sometimes they dont want shy girls... but once they decided they actually want to get to know a shy girl a little closer she has got herself and exciting boyfriend
hardToSignUpHere 1 year ago
I absolutely agree mate. Goes for women too. Most of the shyness comes from being jaded when they were younger, like in high school. That's when they were either made fun of or they got rejected a lot. I know plenty of guys who used to be more outgoing with women but are now more shy because they got tired of putting up with the crap of women today. Too many teases out there. The women talk about what they want but they don't know what they want until they find it.
Grapes428 2 years ago 2
Most women don't want a shy guy. They do not appear confident.
thebahana 3 years ago 6
I like shy guys. :)
Shy guys don't get dates because they don't approach, lol, and it's socially frowned upon for women to approach. Shy guys can overcome that by being friends first (but making romantic gestures so she doesn't put him in the friend's category) and then casually suggesting going out... Just my thoughts!
SexyVelour 2 years ago 2
You must not be like most women then. It also depends on how the guy goes about approaching. Also, two shy people trying to start a conversation doesn't always work.
thebahana 2 years ago
Unfortunately, too many shy guys insist on seeing the negative. :\ Don't let the bad experiences of life get you so down on yourself. If you constantly have a rain cloud hovering over your head and look like you're on the verge of slitting your wrists, that *will* send women running. If you're shy and smile, girls/women will think that's cute. :)
SexyVelour 2 years ago
lol then holla @ me :)
nellyvino 1 year ago
@nellyvino I'm married now...sorry. Good luck, though.
SexyVelour 1 year ago
@thebahana This is very true. This is why men can often be jackasses or douches and still get hot women. This world is full of so many weak and spirit broken men having an asshole is often a much better alternative for women
Arenzoj 1 year ago
@Arenzoj I'd never get involved with a douchey guy, lol (I'd prefer to be single)...but you're right. Sadly, the choices are usually broken, dejected men, or jerks. Sometimes it seems like there are hardly any guys who are just nice and normal...but I feel that's what most women really want. Instead, the choices seem to be for the most part between being a guy's psychologist or his psychological-punching-bag. I know it's not easy for guys who are shy because of the social expectations, though.
SexyVelour 1 year ago
So basically what she's sayin is take advantage of a shy guy.
mattlay 3 years ago 27
Bizzare advice, seeing shyness seems to chase them away...
D3adGoon 3 years ago 5