5.7x28mm from FN FiveSeven versus 9mm (2nd test) Five-seven

[alenworn]

must be the velocity of the 5.7 round, velocity trumps cartridge weight

[pluckyou90]

cant you shoot the SS190?

[MafiaGENGTEAM1970]

Five-seven was in service with military and police forces in over 40 countries throughout the world.

[twolechesconquick]

worst song ever



[nathan00campbell]

go your for good music

[305tzar]

That's the right way to treat propaganda.

[gunman848]

this was a good test, i still want a fn five seven, the 5.7x28mm round was designed to penetrate body armor, but for rapid expantion that i want ide use 28 gr. lead free ammo,.

[ThePerichas1]

por que mierda no salen los comentarios que pongo

[Jeenyus1983]

Keep shooting guys-the time is coming-

[ctmcdonough]

A friend of mine gave me my 5.7, it is an Awesome gun. Hopefully the price of ammunition will come down as it's an expensive range gun. I'm soon to get my CHL and will probably use this weapon as my carry gun.

[Recon911PDW]

Again...5.7x28mm FTW! No questions asked! Too bad you can't get your hands on the SS190 (Armour Piercing) Standard Ball, 31 gr. FMJ, 2,133 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy. (I looked that up)

[mikeb1444]

I hope the 5.7 round catches on, because where I live, it's a pain in the butt to get ammo. No 5.56, no 10mm. Just 30-06, .308, and .223. along with 9mm & .45 acp (but no colt .45)

[Kenshinhiri]

And every drug dealer in mexico has a Five-seveN. How does the police expect to win against that monster?

[yz250ftony]

rifles. element of surprise. body armor only helps if bullets hit and dont penetrate. whos to say the guy doesnt miss while running away. didnt know you could get guns in mexico that easily

[patton223]

i would like to see the .357 sig against the 5.7x28mm !!

[silverpawsss]

too bad this gun isn't more well-known on the market. I haven't shot in years and something like this would definitely make me get into it again. This is the "smartest" bullet coming out of one of the sexiest gun. can you say FiveseveN? :o

[f0xmuld3r]

These kind of tests are only valid when performed on a pig.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Are you volunteering?

[Spherian7]

Why settle for less than the best? Five Seven... I love you, man!!!

[Spunky42]

Aww, that's cute. Looks like people are arguing about the second best pistol round on here :P

Five-SeveN FTW *_*

[sbd45acp]

Captain- 40 S&W passed 9mm as the most issued police service round in the U.S. some time ago. 5.7 was originally designed by FN to meet a NATO PDW requirement to defeat WARSAW PACT nations ceramic plate body armor at 100m.

It used a steel core or aluminum core to defeat armor, After armor terminal effects were considered secondary. Having shot 2 feral dogs w/ FN ammo I can tell you it penetrates plenty.

[captainvirgilHilts]

"40 S&W passed 9mm as the most issued police service round in the U.S. some time ago."

Care to cite?

[sbd45acp]

American Handgunner, March-April, 2006The state police of Connecticut, Delaware, Texas, Rhode North Carolina troopers all wear the Beretta Cougar 8357 in .357 SIG. That's over 16 percent of state-police agencies. It's far more than the number still mandating the 9mm cartridge. It's slightly more state police departments than standardize on the .45, putting the .357 SIG second behind the ubiquitous .40 S&W cartridge from which it was adapted.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Ummm, this shows nothing as it only cites/compares a couple state agencies against each other. Also many state agencies are smaller than that of some averaged size cities.

[sbd45acp]

Guns Magazine, July, 2008 There are more reasons than low bid why this 16-shot .40 leads in US police handgun sales. More police departments seem to have adopted the Glock 22 than any other make and model. For years, the FBI has given new agents their choice of a 16-shot G22 or the slightly smaller 14-shot Glock 23.

[captainvirgilHilts]

A particular caliber "leading in sales" does not equate to it actually being the most issued (as you stated) as many agencies are not replacing all of their particular weapons. Many agencies are still using 5,10, 15+ year old weapons, my local PD still issues the old smooth-front grip G19 to it's 500+ officers.

[sbd45acp]

Shooting Industry Magazine, July, 2000 This effective compromise is what made the .40 so appealing to police firearms training units and why it's the most popular police caliber today. This same "split the difference" feature can sell a .40 to a customer who 20 years ago might have said, "I'll think about the 9mm versus the .45 and come back later." The government-mandated 10 1 round capacity still gives your customers as many shots as a 4-inch service six-shooter and a five-shot backup .38 comb

[captainvirgilHilts]

Again "the most popular" does not equate to being "the most issued".

Also I would be interested in the basis for their respective opinions, just because something is published in a gun-rag does not make it a fact.

[sbd45acp]

Umm I wouldn't characterize Shooting Industry Magazine as "gun-rag." It certainly carries more weight than "my local PD still issues the old smooth-front grip G19 to it's 500+ officers." as proof that 9mm is the most issued.What State Patrol/ State Police Agency is smaller than an "average" city? Whatever that is. Police transition away from 9mm to 40/357Sig is ongoing since mid 90s.What major agency still issues 9?You asked for citations I delivered. Back up your position w/ documentation.

[captainvirgilHilts]

"I wouldn't characterize Shooting Industry Magazine as gun-rag"

-Good for you

"It certainly carries more weight than my local PD still issues..."

-I never stated such a thing

"What State Patrol/ State Police Agency is smaller than an average city"

-A great many such as CPD vs ISP, MPD vs WSP (do your homework)

"Police transition away"

-Still does not mean majority

You didn't deliver squat, just a couple opinions of sales/trends, but no hard numbers.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Oh BTW, the US gov just ordered close to half a million Beretta 92's :-)

[sbd45acp]

Oh BTW, it was 450,000 & MULTI YEAR OPTION CONTRACTS and the U.S Department of Defense is still not a large U.S. Police Dept. I did my homework and there is still no such thing as an "average city" Still no major city PD or SD procuring new 9mm. And you still offer no counter citations or facts.You argue semantics and still offer no evidence for your position.Boring

[captainvirgilHilts]

Who cares if they were multi-year bung-holes, no bearing on the point. Actually I stated LE and service weapons, DoD performs both missions (try and keep up).

Oh okay, I guess we don't have average cities anymore, everyone go home our little buddy says we do not have average cities.

Cite your proof/basis that no cities are buying 9mm's.

You have cited nothing of fact, merely some unfounded opinions.

You might find this boring... but yet you keep coming back for more. LOL

:-P

[sbd45acp]

You have never stated LE AND SERVICE weapons, DoD is still not a large U.S. Police Dept (try to keep up with what you regurgitated) as for the 450 k purchase-One 20,500 M92A order has been placed-not filled. THAT IS the POINT.I never stated NO CITIES are buying 9mm. I cited published references that at LEAST support my opinion- YOU have offered nothing NOTHING but semantics, juvinile LOL's smiley faces and not one single fact to support your opinion and we know what opinions are like-goodbye

[captainvirgilHilts]

LOL

-You really love to change your 'points' as you go don't you.

-I stated so just a few posts below this

-Never raised the issue of ordered vs filled (it's irrelevant)

-You cited some opinions that did not specifically address your claim.

-You made the claim not me, I simply asked you to cite the basis for your claim, and your cite proved nothing

-You are simply talking out your bung-hole

You stated "40 S&W passed 9mm as the most issued police service round in the U.S. some time ago"

; - P

[captainvirgilHilts]

Oh and Buh Bye... don't let the door hit ya in the rear

XOXOXOXOXOXO

[jboogie713]

how is the control on this pistol? any problems with jamming or anything like that? im considering buying either this or a tp9 as my next purchase

[chriscalln]

great its cheaper what happens when shtf situation whats more available 9 or 5.7

[captainvirgilHilts]

What's most available is what one has on hand, a SHTF situation is not the time to go shopping.

[lake1025]

Why do you want a handgun round to penetrate that many phone books. If its penetrating phone books that much what is it doing in a self defense situation? Prob blowing through target and hitting unintended targets.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Apparently you didn't watch the video, it penetrated only about 1" further than the expanded 9mm.

5.7x28mm is designed specifically to not over-penetrate.

[lake1025]

I did watch and one of the biggest complaints by law enforcement that caused a switch from 9mm to .40S&W was the excessive penetration of the round. Even one inch in phone books is gonna be way more than you want compared to a round already deemed "over penetrating"

[captainvirgilHilts]

There has been no "switch" as 9mm is still the most used LE service caliber.

Excessive penetration is largely a factor of bullet design not caliber (all else being equal). 9mm FMJ bullets along with 40,45,357 all over-penetrate where HP bullets are less prone to do so. That is actually the origin of the HP as a "safety bullet" and is how they were marketed. A 9mm FMJ will zip right through a human torso while a HP is far less likely.

5.7mm was designed to yaw (ala 5.56) and limit penetration.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Where is my buddy....

see look right here from the above text -->"LE service caliber"

Buh Bye : - )

[MrSamjones1993]

@captainvirgilHilts

45 over penetrates? are you dumb?

[fstwrtr]

great comparison vid,

I have always believed that well placed shots are more important then choice of caliber.

an average person can easily afford to become a very good shot with a 9mm.

Where as the five seven is not as available, or affordable.

[captainvirgilHilts]

SS195/197 typically costs 25-50 cents per round

9mm SD loads typically costs 30-75 cents per round

9mm has been largely sold out or severely limited out at most distributors while 5.7 has been and is in stock with FN cranking up production.

[fstwrtr]

Not in my neck of the woods, 5.7 is rare.. 9mm can be found at wal-mart ( when they can keep them in stock @ .19 cents a round)

[captainvirgilHilts]

WWB and Blazer Brass are not comparable to premium self-defense loads, it's simply cheap plinking ammunition. GoldDot, Hydrashok, Partition, GoldenSaber, etc are all comparable to FN's loads which are all mil-spec/premium loads.

[fstwrtr]

yeah, but you are "plinking" in your video..no?

[captainvirgilHilts]

WTF?

It's a comparison between two duty/self-defense loads ie apples to apples, personally I carry what I practice with and practice with what I carry.

You stated that practicing with the Fiveseven is not 'afordable' yet by your own admission ($9.50 per box of 50) practicing with FN duty ammunition only costs $3.00 more. If a person can't afford an extra 60 bucks per thousand rounds of practice they shouldn't have bought a $1,000+ pistol.

[fstwrtr]

that would be 19 cents a round for 100, not 50 rnds.

5.7-Hornaday Vmax 500 rnds@ $205.00

9mm Ball 500 rnds @$ 95.00

If a person buys a five seven then ammo should be non issue, But breaking down the cost and trying to sell it as a financial comparison/ and availability to 9mm doesnt work.. until Wal-mart carries 5.7 in a "Value Pack" enjoy your gun dude, but dont even try to make a cost comparison, or an availability comparison.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Hey genius; 19 cents for 50, 100, or 1000 does not matter as it's still 19 cents a round, dude.

You are the one who brought up the cost/availability issue and tried to make a comparison, dude.

I don't have to go to Walmart I can have SS195-197 delivered to my door for 25 cents/rd, dude.

19 cent 9mm is not duty/SD premium ammunition while FN 195-197 is, so your comparison is apples to oranges, dude.

Apples to apples would be Hydrashok, Gold Dot, 9BP, or heck even Winchester NATO, dude.

[citabria1969eaa]

LMAO... outstanding reply to an idiot.

"19 cents a round for 100, not 50 rnds"

LMAO... I guess simple math is a wee bit over his head but it sure is funny.

[Matanjun1970]

5.7x28mm SS190 AP armor piercing (AP)? Or 5.7x28mm M855 civilian-legal cartridge?

[chulski2]

As far as I know, the AP rounds were never sold to civilians. AS FAR AS I KNOW.

There is an AP round made for it though. Some of the early rounds were called light armor piercing-it had something to do with the core. Those are not made anymore.

[captainvirgilHilts]

FN does not designate any 5.7x28mm load as M855, that designation is for a 5.56mm load.

[ethosflux]

ERr phonebooks when you dont have a huge budget aren't a bad analog. They do demostrate effectively how expansion works, though they are quite dense. Still a wet phonebook versus a human body that's 70 percent water. You know what, I think it's an acceptable analog in an informal test. I liked this video alot, thanks for making it and I was very curious about the stopping power of the 5.7 round.

[nito8777]

i enjoy your vids so far your one of the very very few comparing the 5.7 to other rounds. i would like to make a request if you have any of the ammo from Elite ammunition i'd really like to see how some of that stacks of against the other stuff. thanks keep up the vids they are cool.

[captainvirgilHilts]

Where was it stated that wet phone books are anything specifically relating to human tissue?

This was a comparison of high velocity projectiles in like media, the results of which actually mirror that of tests done in gel to a similar percentage.

This is due to the fact that water volume by weight is less than that of gel (meaning that wet pulp is a bit more dense than gel) and so the rounds penetrate slightly less.

[captainvirgilHilts]

I should also mention that water volume by weight in pulp nearly equals that of human muscle tissue.

Also specifically how is this IN-valid as a comparison of two hi-vel projectiles? -wink-

[docwondernuts]

wet phonebooks are not a valid test media to represent tissue, but the video was groovy, if you are interested in valid testing methodology look up the IWBA protocols

[randygriffin091391]

he wasn't making this this video to demonstrate how great phonebooks are as a ballistic media...the point of the test was to compare the rounds...and if the rounds are both shot into a phone book and one shows a tendency to expand or penetrate batter than another within the same material, it is a valid test