yunho is a powerful singer and hes one of the best korean dancers iv ever seen in my life donghae is cute but my suju bias is lee hyuk jae so i think this has to go to U-KNOW YUNHO
i like yunho better, not saying donghae not good, but i prefer yunho, bcoz every time i watch him dancing i can stick on the screen and can't get my eyes off him, he's just so amazing!!!!
Many people would have said that Donghae is the better singer, which would break the ice. But now, we can't really say the same.. Yunho has gotten SO much better at singing, it's incredibl. I totally love DBSK but Donghae is my bias in SJ ..
Still, I'd choose Yunho. He's just an amazing person all round-up and, IMO, the best leader there ever was in kpop.
i love them both, but i just have to say Donghae :) ♥ *lol seriously biased*
but Yunho is mega awesome too! love him to death. <3 so even though this was kinda easy decision for me (because Donghae is Donghae :3) it doesn't mean that i wouldn't like Yunho ;) ...well actually i don't even like him - cause i LOVE him :D
for me donghae is better in dancing...i prefer in cute, innocent, cool and flawless dance...than charismatic yunho!!!!!but yunho is good in rapping...and about the looks??of course DONGHAE!!!! ANGELIC FACE!!!!!
have u heard how yunho sings?well if u heard him den i guess its yunho wins vs donghae..bcoz uknow is a better rapper,and of course better dancer (coz he won't win against his other competitors in SM if he's not d better dancer)...
hard to choose coz they are different..i love them both but can't really compare their skills..both are really nice guys too..it's like comparing food and water, which do you need most thing..haha! lame thing to post but im kind of hungry and thirsty at the same time..haha!
yunho is better rapper and dancer (duh) but donghae is definitely the better singer.
although i think that if yunho didnt get that horrible throat infection he will be better than donghae.
yunnie has been my first love...... forever and ever because he has to sacrifice so much for his group, and he is kind, warm hearted, loves children, my ideal man.
sorry, im way yunnie biased >< but donghae cute too ^^
first of all, i'm a cassie and an elf, just so you all know~~ but i'd say that in terms of dancing: yunho is better. in terms of singing, donghae is better. in terms of rapping, they're both tied. but i think yunho is overall better, only b/c of all of the things he's done as leader of TVXQ. he's had to sacrifice so much T_T ...i really love them both so much though... i don't really think they should be compared. if they saw this they would probably be confused ^^ they're such good friends =)
they have their own style in dancing,.but i must choose right??
I love DongHae style then Yunho (in dancing),.DongHae can dance so cute n'cool at the same time,.i think DongHae's dance more romantic,.YunHo more powerfull
In rapping,.Yunho better than DongHae,.but i realy love DongHae's voice <3
when dhae dances it looks like he's entering into diff.world..no doubt yunho was good in dancing but i like how fishy dance,,,so smooth..dhae really likes to dance with this kind of tune @6:00..while yunho likes to dance in a more upbeat tune..7:45-7:47..2 seconds to die for..i am a certified DONGHAE BIASED..but i also like yunnie bcoz he is the hubby of jae..
i know i already commneted but looking at this again you can't really compare who is "better" because they are reallly different artists. dif style of singing and dancing and overall performing.i do admit that yunho has a very stong presence that catchesyour attention though. but some people like unkow more other people like hae more. it's that simple. it would be like comparing eunhyuk and junsu. 2 completely different artists with different styles and different strong points
Donghae will never can be compared with Yunho in looking, height, body shape, dancing...Donghae is just a very very nice guy who can dance and sing. open your eyes, check this:
[HD] Tohoshinki - The Secret Code Live at Tokyo Dome
u will understand what the boyband with the largest fanclub means. what great artist means.
the truth: the 2 artists are not in same level, if u dont believe it why cant Donghae be able performe in front of 300.000 fans, why cant he performe in tokyo dome, u like him, but u cant say his skill is better, bec he cant even compare with yunho when we talk about dance. everytime I see him dance I want to jump up the stage and pull his arm and leg longer. He is very very very nice guy who can sing and dance, thats all.
yknow rapping is cool but i prefer donghae's voice in rapping especially bcz he is soo fast and accurate..i prefer his voice even on eunhyuk who is specialized in rapping!
Idk, I really loved YunHo's rapping skills, but Omo, people will think I'm a hater, but I couldn't help but compare it to TOP from Big Bang... and welll... =/
ANYWHOOOOOO!! YunHo still rocked, so he's got my vote. ^-^
I say Yunho is the better rapper but Donghae is the better singer. Its hard to choose for dancing. Yunho is more of a powerful dancer while Donghae's style is more relaxed and laid back. He also does cute dances more. I think they are equally talented but i do loveee Donghae. So think he's the best. LOL i'm bias. DONGHAE>333
Yunho is a hot star, sexy and pretty. His body, move and face just like a gorgeous artwork. Not noly this he also keep donoting, he is great artist with the warmest heart.
uh, for the dancing. I must say Yunho, he's even probably the best kpop dancer of all the industry and he's also a very good rapper! But I love DongHae too :)
Donghae Donghae Donghae. Oooh but Yunho is cute too, Gaaahhh nope i'm sticking with Donghae, ohhh but Yunho ahhhh, right ok Donghae it is. I'm sticking with Donghae lol.
Yunho of course!! no doubt..
He's The best!
MrYunho5 1 week ago
يووونهوووووووو طبعااااا x'D
GhoOoda 1 month ago
Donghae <3
TheVintageArchive 1 month ago
donghae forever and ever
fati3200120 1 month ago
@ 1:55 and @ 7:29 what clip is that from? oh and Donghae wins!!
lonelyprincess202 2 months ago
FISHY!!!!!!
100renusubba 2 months ago
Donghae is the best!!!
Dalbit22 3 months ago
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donghae donghae donghae <3
16Rejix 6 months ago
I LOVE U BOTH CAN I? THEY AMAZING BOYS FROM JEOLLA!!! <3
Too hard To Choose! =,= poor me!
TheUknowUhee 7 months ago
yunho is a powerful singer and hes one of the best korean dancers iv ever seen in my life donghae is cute but my suju bias is lee hyuk jae so i think this has to go to U-KNOW YUNHO
XItsxANGELbaby 8 months ago 2
Oh Yunho...!!!!!!! He's so wonderful ^^
MyTrangCass 8 months ago 5
i like yunho better, not saying donghae not good, but i prefer yunho, bcoz every time i watch him dancing i can stick on the screen and can't get my eyes off him, he's just so amazing!!!!
Yagisuki 8 months ago 4
Yunho is one of the few that can do everything!
Dance,Sing,Acting,Ice-skating...everything! And better than anyone!!!
Yunho oppa! We all love you!
twilightWoW16 9 months ago 10
@twilightWoW16 ya , he is superman !!!! lol!!!
Yagisuki 8 months ago
Yunho~ <3 he can do all kinds of dancing!!
ichibanbattosai 9 months ago 18
U-Know Yunho.
PajamaPenguins 9 months ago 15
i love this 2 boys equally much... theres no way i can pick one over the other!
uniqued 10 months ago
Many people would have said that Donghae is the better singer, which would break the ice. But now, we can't really say the same.. Yunho has gotten SO much better at singing, it's incredibl. I totally love DBSK but Donghae is my bias in SJ ..
Still, I'd choose Yunho. He's just an amazing person all round-up and, IMO, the best leader there ever was in kpop.
I still love my fishy Hae though <3
Habs4ever74 10 months ago 5
YUNHO YUNHO YUNHO YUNHO YUNHO
heokute1997hp 10 months ago 7
DONGHAE!!!!!!!!!
meiimeii01 10 months ago 3
thumbs up for YUNHO!
emeyarjheii 10 months ago 7
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I'm not Yunho biased or anything...but he's completely, perfectly and utterly flawless.
He's also handsome, cute, hot, sexy, adorable, charismatic, amazing, manly, sweet, gentle, dorky, gorgeous and fant-ily-astic!
Just thought I should point that out :)
PajamaPenguins 11 months ago
DONGAHE MY LOVE,of course!
jannesaJMidol 11 months ago
i love them both, but i just have to say Donghae :) ♥ *lol seriously biased*
but Yunho is mega awesome too! love him to death. <3 so even though this was kinda easy decision for me (because Donghae is Donghae :3) it doesn't mean that i wouldn't like Yunho ;) ...well actually i don't even like him - cause i LOVE him :D
YunHae ♥♥ xD
xXxChokocchixXx 1 year ago 2
for me donghae is better in dancing...i prefer in cute, innocent, cool and flawless dance...than charismatic yunho!!!!!but yunho is good in rapping...and about the looks??of course DONGHAE!!!! ANGELIC FACE!!!!!
wurosas 1 year ago 3
yunho is better but i love donghae,,, hahah..
champito11 1 year ago
oh my! I love both of them.. they 2 are my bias >.<
well I prefer DongHae because he's my first n main bias :)
but Yunho is hot, too ^^
love YunHae! haha
renata950109 1 year ago
have u heard how yunho sings?well if u heard him den i guess its yunho wins vs donghae..bcoz uknow is a better rapper,and of course better dancer (coz he won't win against his other competitors in SM if he's not d better dancer)...
thumperpet 1 year ago
hahaha gayanya ad yg kek sule wkwkwk
riadj21 1 year ago
Yunho <3
anonymous96smilez 1 year ago 6
donghae oppa...u are so hot and cooll!!!love <3....
1995unnie 1 year ago
yunho is the best dancer and rapper
lotuslastberry 1 year ago
DONGHAE is better than yunho ..
MrAgaton04 1 year ago 2
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DONGHAE is better than yunho ..
MrAgaton04 1 year ago
DONGHAE is better than yunho ..
MrAgaton04 1 year ago
YUNHO<3
MsHoneymoe 1 year ago
Yunho is better in looks & talent. :) He's my bias in DBSK <3333 Although Donghae is my 2nd bias in Suju(next to Kibum<3) so...yeah. :))
cristine180 1 year ago 5
Yunho is the considered the number one dancer in Korea. And he was chosen to in Asia to dance in Michael Jackson's tribute concert This Is it!
adsambas 1 year ago 6
@adsambas yes!!!!!
lotuslastberry 1 year ago
@adsambas what the hell happened to my English?? Hahaha
adsambas 11 months ago
perfection = yunho xDDD
GhoOoda 1 year ago
both of them rocks:))
hannadeguzman99 1 year ago
i choose yunho
yunho no.1 forever
dbskfightting 1 year ago 6
hard to choose coz they are different..i love them both but can't really compare their skills..both are really nice guys too..it's like comparing food and water, which do you need most thing..haha! lame thing to post but im kind of hungry and thirsty at the same time..haha!
h3arTb3aT89 1 year ago
donghae wins my heart <3
squeakysquiddles 1 year ago
everybody got their own opinion right??there is no winner both are really talented but I'm yunho bias..sorry donghae I like you too
lynna94 1 year ago
to be very very honest, i'll choose for DongHae
SJchayenneSM 1 year ago 2
DONGHAE is the best <3<3<3<3<3<3
i love donghae so much
MrArnopa 1 year ago
i love donghae more and more eventhough i love dbsk too..:)
eastseadloved 1 year ago
yunho is better rapper and dancer (duh) but donghae is definitely the better singer.
although i think that if yunho didnt get that horrible throat infection he will be better than donghae.
yunnie has been my first love...... forever and ever because he has to sacrifice so much for his group, and he is kind, warm hearted, loves children, my ideal man.
sorry, im way yunnie biased >< but donghae cute too ^^
theodora2005 1 year ago 2
what's the show at 6:50 ?
iAnnaxDD 1 year ago
oh dear mother of god why, oh why is yunho so hot?!?!??! *drama*
and his face @ 7:07 when it goes "dirty babe" *dies*
donghae is such a big tease o.o his moves are flawless.. wow...
nina13th 1 year ago 2
first of all, i'm a cassie and an elf, just so you all know~~ but i'd say that in terms of dancing: yunho is better. in terms of singing, donghae is better. in terms of rapping, they're both tied. but i think yunho is overall better, only b/c of all of the things he's done as leader of TVXQ. he's had to sacrifice so much T_T ...i really love them both so much though... i don't really think they should be compared. if they saw this they would probably be confused ^^ they're such good friends =)
cinnabangaru 1 year ago
i like yunhoo better :}
chichivo100 1 year ago
Both of them are multi talent entertainer
they have their own style in dancing,.but i must choose right??
I love DongHae style then Yunho (in dancing),.DongHae can dance so cute n'cool at the same time,.i think DongHae's dance more romantic,.YunHo more powerfull
In rapping,.Yunho better than DongHae,.but i realy love DongHae's voice <3
So,.i choose DongHae ^_^ <3 <3 <3
Donghae3ElfIndo 1 year ago
I LOVE Donghae ♥! <3
lollipoph0lic 1 year ago
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GraceLove222 1 year ago
wait... is dat donghae at 4:56?
I like them both
Yunho is taking over my mind by a little, ok, maybe a lot x_x
but all in all, LOVE you guys, both dbsk and suju!
safire861 1 year ago
DONGHAE + ELF = LOVE<3
donghaelurver 1 year ago 4
I choose Yunho. I like he style of dancing better. It grabs my attention, plus his dancing is powerful.
PurpleLigHTARRow 1 year ago
when dhae dances it looks like he's entering into diff.world..no doubt yunho was good in dancing but i like how fishy dance,,,so smooth..dhae really likes to dance with this kind of tune @6:00..while yunho likes to dance in a more upbeat tune..7:45-7:47..2 seconds to die for..i am a certified DONGHAE BIASED..but i also like yunnie bcoz he is the hubby of jae..
ahLynMC 1 year ago 5
donghae!!! <3
SoraNaeginoOswald 1 year ago
if it were before i guess i could say yunho is hotter while donghae is cuter .. but idk now . i mean donghae's gotten a LOT hotter lately ...
and in dance .. i guess i like donghae's style better . i guess it's more romantic? ..
but you can't deny that yunho is an amazing dancer!
HAHA! but if i were unfair i'd pick donghae as no.1 . 'cause i love him! 7:27 my fave
joanpator 1 year ago 3
GO DONGHAE~ but yunho isokay too "3
DonghaeFreak1015 1 year ago 2
I like Yunho better of the two :D
mccallrenee 1 year ago
Donghae!!! both CUTE, HOT, SEXY!!
what else can u ask for?
crossseal28 1 year ago 5
what song is Yunho rapping at 1:26-1:50??
manthatswhack 2 years ago
woww how did donghae jump so high at 07:33. and what kind of show was that?
roompie56 2 years ago 2
he was launched out off the platform xD
I think that was Super Show I
DaRLinG1357 2 years ago
theyre both really good
but i like donghae more <3
sheepiiness 2 years ago 7
as you can see they are both my favorite from DBSK and SUJU.....
on stage you can see passion and desire to be better.....its not that i have been with DBSK longer to choose yunho!!!!!
its his passion that he show in every little things he does....he show all those emotions, love, and desire!!!!!
this is why i have fallen in love with him at first sight...i saw him dancing, and i love dancing it has been a big change in my life!!!!!
donghae. i'm sorry, but yunho is the best in this competition
stacythao33 2 years ago 3
Yunho is seriously the best dancer in my eyes. Damn everytime Yunho dances I just get so hooked on him.
Tsiafababy 2 years ago 9
fOr mE,YunhO..
FiGhtIng YunHo..!!
ratuaUra 2 years ago
Yunhoooo.........
good dancer,cool,sexy,cute,hot,handsome..is everythink !
Yunho AND AGAIN YUNHO ! <3
EiriniXiah 2 years ago 8
YUNHOOOOOOO !!
YUNHO IS THE BEST !
EiriniXiah 2 years ago 6
i love both of them....both r my fav member in suju n dbsk
aeenz 2 years ago 3
i know i already commneted but looking at this again you can't really compare who is "better" because they are reallly different artists. dif style of singing and dancing and overall performing.i do admit that yunho has a very stong presence that catchesyour attention though. but some people like unkow more other people like hae more. it's that simple. it would be like comparing eunhyuk and junsu. 2 completely different artists with different styles and different strong points
lovejt555 2 years ago
Why do you compare?
One of them has his full schedule between Super Junior and Super Junior M
shows like EHB , IN .... etc
mini drama like .... FH , M6 .... etc
And is still going
If he have time only
Dear, do not be rushed to judgment and always look for the reasons before
RWZKSA 2 years ago 4
i loove uknow butttttttttt...... i looooove donghae more!!! but ther both incredible!!
lovejt555 2 years ago 6
yunho is btr even tho im suju's BIGBIG fan~ . (:
IMperfectMSx33 2 years ago 4
Yuhno is the dest dancer ATW!
wadagirl 2 years ago 5
for me, both of them the best!!!
nadiajunsu 2 years ago
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yunkeyanlee 2 years ago
Yunho is acknowledged the best dancer in SM, check this dance clip &u will understand what dancing means:
[Fancam] 東方神起 080815 SM Concert Rising Sun ユンホ
[fancam] 071216 東方神起 triangle sexy ユンホ
half naked DBSK TVXQ Yunho SM Town
search YH self compoesed song u will understand what artist means:
[HD] Tohoshinki - The Secret Code Live at Tokyo Dome - CHECKMATE
we bet whether in Donghae's life he can also dance in same level stage like YH.
ukownyunhofan 2 years ago 3
Yunho's popping:
061112 Xman ep 136-Yunho Dancing
Compilation of Yunho old xman dance
Donghae will never can be compared with Yunho in looking, height, body shape, dancing...Donghae is just a very very nice guy who can dance and sing. open your eyes, check this:
[HD] Tohoshinki - The Secret Code Live at Tokyo Dome
u will understand what the boyband with the largest fanclub means. what great artist means.
ukownyunhofan 2 years ago
i dont mean to bash u know on that..
i know that ur his fan too...
but we have different opinions in our life right?
i just like donghae more than u know
yunkeyanlee 2 years ago 3
the truth: the 2 artists are not in same level, if u dont believe it why cant Donghae be able performe in front of 300.000 fans, why cant he performe in tokyo dome, u like him, but u cant say his skill is better, bec he cant even compare with yunho when we talk about dance. everytime I see him dance I want to jump up the stage and pull his arm and leg longer. He is very very very nice guy who can sing and dance, thats all.
ukownyunhofan 2 years ago
the Dance Battle should haf ended this with no doubt. Uknow Yunho is the best dancer in SM entertainment. not to even mention DBSK or SUJU..
yuji84 2 years ago 5
definitely Donghae
chuliaah 2 years ago 3
donghaee is the one! kekeke :D
ganbatte100 2 years ago 4
donghae of course! fishy fishy!! kekeke <3
misschina94 2 years ago 4
hehe, well, Yunho's definately the better dancer while Donghae's the better singer,
Rapping, I like Yunho's better lol
So I vote Yunho =D
kirichibi729 2 years ago 3
yunho is the cooler and more mature kinda guy, and hes better in rapping!
donghae is the cuter and "im a kid" look.hes better in singing
but in dancing, HARD TO CHOOSE DUDE!
deasandalo08 2 years ago 7
definitely donghae(:
sujudbsk97 2 years ago 7
mmm i love Yknow though i crazy with donghae...
yknow rapping is cool but i prefer donghae's voice in rapping especially bcz he is soo fast and accurate..i prefer his voice even on eunhyuk who is specialized in rapping!
NenaKaiba 2 years ago 8
Donghae is cuter
Yunho is cooler
sweet2349 2 years ago 8
YunHo's butt can really move! ^-^
Idk, I really loved YunHo's rapping skills, but Omo, people will think I'm a hater, but I couldn't help but compare it to TOP from Big Bang... and welll... =/
ANYWHOOOOOO!! YunHo still rocked, so he's got my vote. ^-^
AsianInnocence 2 years ago 4
Donghae!!!
Donghae!!!
Donghae!!!
catje555 2 years ago 7
I say Yunho is the better rapper but Donghae is the better singer. Its hard to choose for dancing. Yunho is more of a powerful dancer while Donghae's style is more relaxed and laid back. He also does cute dances more. I think they are equally talented but i do loveee Donghae. So think he's the best. LOL i'm bias. DONGHAE>333
pandapple921 2 years ago 46
about dance ...I think Yunho is Best of Best ...His Style very hand some , Manly , and ......Great !!
hoang85h 2 years ago 2
that song is missing you - trey songz (:
m4rshm4ll0wz 2 years ago
wat was that song called at 1:53
SHINeefreak123 2 years ago
nope i think YUNHO!!! is da best!!!!
but donghae is okai
SHINeefreak123 2 years ago 8
DONGHAE
x3OrangeJuicex3 2 years ago 8
Donghae is a nice star with kind heart.
Yunho is a hot star, sexy and pretty. His body, move and face just like a gorgeous artwork. Not noly this he also keep donoting, he is great artist with the warmest heart.
ukownyunhofan 2 years ago 8
YUNHO!!!!!!!!!!
TaeyeonYunhoLove 2 years ago 6
uh, for the dancing. I must say Yunho, he's even probably the best kpop dancer of all the industry and he's also a very good rapper! But I love DongHae too :)
nyappyken 2 years ago 3
what show at 0.40??
kid9102 2 years ago
noo sorry... YUNHO IS THE BEST CHOISEEEEEEEE
diammar86 2 years ago
YUNHOOO IS THE BEsT!!!! but i like danghae too :S
diammar86 2 years ago
aw, man.. They're both extremely talented.. But I think I prefer Donghae :] ♥
Yunho's insanely adorable too, just half an inch behind Fishy <3
akaAnh 2 years ago 9
mmm i would say two inches bcz eunhyuk is behinde fishy by an inch :P
NenaKaiba 2 years ago 2
yunho foreverrrrrrrrrrr
Mahotisa 2 years ago
DONGHAE!
superjuniorlover675 2 years ago 6
Donghae Donghae Donghae. Oooh but Yunho is cute too, Gaaahhh nope i'm sticking with Donghae, ohhh but Yunho ahhhh, right ok Donghae it is. I'm sticking with Donghae lol.
YesungIsAmazing 2 years ago 5
donghae is our love....
NenaKaiba 2 years ago 31
it's too hard to say who's better,,especially if i'll be asked who's more handsome. :)
anaflur04 2 years ago 3
yunho ftw!!!
but Hae's growin' on me too^^
marjo12 2 years ago
Waaa.... I love them both but I prefer donghae.
hard to choice ....
beepegin 2 years ago 4
they're both awesome..but donghae..i don't think i could choose between junsu or donghae
pualeionalani808 2 years ago 4
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pualeionalani808 2 years ago
they both good!
and love them both!!
..but..i prefer Donghae over Yunho..hehe
phlowt 2 years ago 5
YEAH-YA! Donghae actually danced with the guy the choreographed the dance for Justin Timberlakes "My Love"!!
Donghae FTW! <3 .....:) Tehe
SujuChance 2 years ago 3
hey wat was the first song uknow was dancing too??
iROCKandWHUT 2 years ago
whoaaa where did u get all those clip frm? and which episode is that 8.37? can i have the link pleeease? kamsahamidaaa
jwaishere 2 years ago
I love them!!!
Lee Donghae<3
LuvToey 2 years ago 3
both of them are so cute.
but i choose yunho >333333
Holic19 2 years ago 2
DONGHAE <3!!!
I LOVE YUNHO TO!!
dodielove0623 2 years ago 2
I love them both!! *0*
vi3txp4nd4 2 years ago
both are really great at dancing/rapping :)
but donghae's face is more baby-ish hehe.. yunho. he's just hot. and sexy. and etc.
big7bang 2 years ago
mm dunno...i think fishy's face is more like prince style and yknow is more cool guy style
NenaKaiba 2 years ago 7
YUNHOOOO <3
SupaKaylynn 2 years ago 2
yunho es muy muy superior ademas es muy muy sexy
milimaniatica 2 years ago 5
uhm....I'm taking a guess with this....
Translation: Yuinho is more sexy???
Am I right with the translation?
MeowQU5PF 2 years ago
according to my opinion yunho is but attractive, better dancer and but charismatic, enchants to me
milimaniatica 2 years ago 6
ahhhh......... well...now I agree!
MeowQU5PF 2 years ago
could you tell me who are they at 5:45 ?
chamsubak 2 years ago
From the left:
The guy in the black and white stripped jacket/shirt--Donghae
The guy in the middle is their choreographer for Sorry Sorry
The guy in basketball shorts--Eunhyuk
And the guy who joins in at the middle is Nick Bass , their choreographer for Sorry Sorry as well as Justin timberlakes My Love
MeowQU5PF 2 years ago
i never really paid much attention to suju before but..
wow didn't know donghae was so good at dancing!!
and yunho is just as sexy as always ;D
ch3rry023yuki 2 years ago
thanx
holy smoking....yunho is hawtttt n even sexier half naked XDDDDD n of course..his dance is just as cool as him...hehehe
donghae is pretty good too...
ngoc87 2 years ago 4