This was one of the most hopefull videos I have seen for the furture of our children and our plannet... I hope its not a dream and that it becomes a reality... Technology is great at the hands of love and respect...
@futureboy00 Impossible to say. Depends on what government wants it, how they'll help, how industry would help, how financing would work (cuz it will cost)...etc. A lot of variables involved with that. Of course, once it's done, the dominoes will fall after it proves life can be amazing. :)
@TZMSocialEvolution but few tousand people can build it on a small scale, calculate a price and split it to few tousand tickets or something like that, or some people can pay a part and the other part they can work at building it
@futureboy00 Remember, it's supposed to be high tech and highly automated...and that's costly. A few million at the least...for a "neighborhood" kind of setup, and about $20 billion for a decent city of about 50k people.
@TZMSocialEvolution If we play our cards right, we would only have to do a one-time investment to get this all running. The city you build will act like one big company to the outside economy, since all resources are shared within it. Therefor if you can make a profit with this city, you can use that to expand its boundaries or build a new city. As long as you manage to make the first city profitable, all following cities will also be, because they will be less dependent on the outside economy.
my only concern with the ZM is the acquisition and processing of necessary raw resources without the usage of manpower. at some point all of these machines require manpower, whether it be the mining of raw materials, maintenance, troubleshooting glitches, or simply the operation and development of said technologies. so if manpower is required, how are we supposed to obtain it without offering people something that isn't already given to them freely and is also required by them?
my only concern with the ZM is the acquisition and processing of necessary raw resources without the usage of manpower. at some point all of these machines require manpower, whether it be the mining of raw materials, maintenance, troubleshooting glitches, or simply the operation and development of said technologies. so if manpower is required, how are we supposed to obtain it without offering people something that isn't already given to them freely and is also required by them.
@MiggaMike A common misconception is that the RBE is all about zero human labor. No. It's about drastically reduced human labor, up to 80% less in most cases. Additionally, when it comes to resource extraction, one must consider how much more automated it can be, but it isn't because of unions & labor laws that are more focused on creating jobs than actually automating dangerous tasks. As for who would do the work, people who are passionate about that kind of work.
@MiggaMike Continuing from last post: Why do people volunteer today for free? Why do people sink money into hobbies that give no financial return? There are many instances when people do things counter to financial incentive. It's actually more natural for us to do that, than succumb to some notion that we crave money like oxygen. The system currently programs that as a "truth", when it is not. And with free education for all, the human resource potential for everyone is limitless.
@TZMSocialEvolution once everything is set in place i'm sure that is a feasible option. but how can we make the switch? as it stands we don't have enough productive resources to "run the world" with just volunteer work. i'm also not convinced that anyone would volunteer their services as a coal miner, or really any industry job that is hard work and hazardous to their health. how can we replace those crucial jobs? thanks for replying
@MiggaMike Hazardous jobs are automated. It's high time we stop putting people in danger doing work that technology can do. The volunteers for that are the scientists and engineers that would develop such technologies. Side note, there is already an automated mining robot. :) You can Google it. The switch is a challenge, no doubt. Erosion is the best method, not so fast it causes suffering, but fast enough to make money pointless.
@MillionthUsername yeah, capitalism was a great tool and a necessary one for us to get to the point we are now... but if we want to transcend we must take the good things from the nowadays old and outdated system to build a new one... yeah, there is no RBE, believe I know, but there will be one soon.... just as gathering hunting societies before, those systems were the ones that created agriculture, and then agriculture was used to create a new system. the gifts are used, the system is forgotten
@ganyita How is it outdated when you require it to produce RBE? All you people seem to be saying is that RBE is the imagined pinnacle of capitalism where there is so much wealth produced at so little cost that labor isn't even necessary anymore. That would be the ultimate triumph of capitalism, not RBE, for you can't build RBE *with* RBE. It is meaningless as a "system." It's just a term to parasitically siphon off credit for progress from capitalists.
@MillionthUsername all were provided by human's creativity, not by capitalism, capitalism is just a system that gave us some sort of enough stability for the human mind to go this far, now we must use what we have learned to create a system that will give us even more stability, with less side effects (war, poverty and corruption) such as a RBE, to be able to go even further... nothing is forever, everything will eventually change and evolve, we have not achieve perfection yet, neither our MAX..
@ganyita It is human creativity which created capitalism precisely because it allows people to produce and trade freely. Money was invented to solve the problem of barter. But you people say that the free market is evil, and that money is evil. You want to "eliminate" them. But if you eliminate them now, you will have nothing.
War, poverty, and corruption are rooted in the state since it is institutionalized violence and a monopoly power. Capitalism is just property rights and voluntary trade.
@MillionthUsername Oh damn, one more thing: The Chinese invented gunpowder, Galileo revolutionized astronomy (despite threats of death from the ever stupid Church), Newton revolutionized math & other sciences, Da Vinci created countless inventions, Romans built advanced aqueducts & used the arch for construction of durable buildings...all before Capitalism ever existed. Innovation isn't dependent on economic systems, but human quality of life is. Big difference. Okay, now I'm done. Good day! :)
@MillionthUsername No RBE? There is in your home, unless you make your family pay for dinner, or you demand payment to do things around the house. Oh, wait, is that to logical for you? I'm sorry...what...you can't extrapolate 100,000+ years of egalitarian structure prior to the invention of money into the 21st century? As if money = oxygen. Eh, in reading your other comments, you're near hopelessly programmed. Enjoy the ride, the world is changing, whether you like it or not.
In commerce, everyone participates in their own way in economizing resources. They receive signals from the market regarding what goods and services people need and want at what price and quality. People spontaneously network to produce and share their unique skills with each other. This is called the division of labor and allows for civilization.
@MillionthUsername Actually, i don't call it evil, I call it obsolete and outdated. You no longer ride a horse for transport. Why? It's now obsolete and outdated for that task. You no longer carry a bucket to get water at the creek with the rest of the villagers. Why? That practice is now obsolete and outdated for the task. I could go on, but you'll toss more "free-market" rhetoric onto the fire, and I don't care. I have better things to do, but have a nice life nonetheless.
@MillionthUsername Galileo, Newton, Pascal, Faraday, Curie, Darwin, Tesla, Einstein, Bohr, Hawking and countless other scientists did not make ANY of their contributions to humanity for profit and material gain, every single thing that you take today for granted was made possible by non-selfish human creativity and was later incorporated in capitalism.
@NForcer211 That's ridiculous. Scientists have to be employed like everyone else. Everyone works for "material gain." It's called survival, a career, success. There is NOTHING wrong with working for a living, for crying out loud!
"Non-selfish human creativity"??? Ever hear of patents, copyrights, research grants, teaching positions, tenure, fame, honors, respect of your peers, your name in history?
How is this an argument against ECONOMICS? It's nuts.
@MillionthUsername You missed the entire point. I gave examples of people who did not use their inventions to make fortunes because money never was a stimulus and never will be for the real contributor to society, that's why your assumption that capitalism or the "free market' provided everything you have is demonstrably false . Today does who make the biggest fortunes are those with zero contributions to society.
@NForcer211 You said that all these people did not make *any* of their contributions for profit or material gain. That's simply not true as stated.
How can it be false to say that the free market has provided what we have? The market is a function of society. People provide goods and services to each other economically through market mechanisms like price. The market is just the interaction of individuals. It's not an enemy.
@MillionthUsername Well then using your logic that everyone who contributed to society made it for profit and considering the fact that society uses their inventions on a daily basis, you would expect that the richest part of the population has been or should be comprised of the most important scientists in history with the most important social contributions.
Let's do a reality check ah..........no. Their not among them. And have never been. That's why you're logic is complete and utter BS.
@NForcer211 You're not making any sense. You said this: "scientists did not make ANY of their contributions to humanity for profit and material gain." What does ANY mean? I replied saying that is ridiculous. Now you reply to me implying that since I said you were wrong that must mean that I take the opposite view, that people never do anything except for profit or gain! That would also be ridiculous, and I didn't say that.
You are trying to say we don't need trade. I disagree.
@MillionthUsername You said that the free market provided everything we have. I replied that human creativity did that. The free market is nothing more than the means of making profit out of every discovery that humanity made. That's why every new invention that doesn't make profit is not provided to the public by your free market, like free energy, electric cars, organic food etc. hindering our progress as a civilization because of the greed and corruption generated by the current system.
@NForcer211 The free market is the sum total of FREE PEOPLE FREELY TRADING WHAT THEY PRODUCE. Try having an advanced economy and general prosperity without property rights and freedom. I really cannot follow you at all. Trade is good but free trade is not? What is the other option? You want someone to control people? Who? How does the free market hinder energy or cars or organic food? What the hell are you talking about? Try saying something that makes sense. What are you arguing against?
@MillionthUsername Wow you're either completely dumb or have no understanding of economics at all(American, right?). In the free market you only invest money in things that make profit: free energy, electric cars, organic food and almost every other new discovery beneficial to humanity DO NOT make huge profits for the investor, therefore are disregarded. Where you got the idea that i want someone to control people beats me.
@NForcer211 If your product can't make a profit, then it SUCKS and people DON'T WANT IT! Profit is the signal that what you are producing is demanded by enough people to make it profitable to you to economize your time and resources in production such that you can be freely rewarded by the people who purchase your product. This is so BASIC that it is understood by everyone.
What kind of "economics" are you talking about? The kind that doesn't exist in the real world? What a joke!
@MillionthUsername OMG so energy that doesn't pollute sucks? Food that doesn't poison your body sucks? Every human being on this planet wants to live a healthy, improved life but they can't when technologies that do that are not available to them thanks to the shit that you call free market. Now this is so BASIC that it can be understood by anyone.
@NForcer211 You also are correct in almost everything that you have said.
Thing about this proposed set of technologies & plans for a Utopian set of cities is that it fails to take into account all sorts of human frailties & current shortcomings in technology that need to be bridged before this can come close to becoming a reality.
Any systems have shortcomings. These shortcomings cannot be swept away under the rug or eventual troubles will happen. There are dumb and smart people.
@NForcer211 The leadership of such a society will fail if they lack accurate information / knowledge. Obviously stupid / naive / misinformed people leading the system would quickly have it fail through poor choices. Computers could not run certain aspects of the economic system because of the garbage in, garbage out scenario. Resources of different kinds are plentiful in some places and scarce in others. It would be just bad luck to build such a city where almost all resources were scarce?
@MillionthUsername Normally, your arguments are absolutely right, but we do not live in an ideal world. If you read my comments, you would see why most things you say are right, but other things are slightly inaccurate. Many people are beginning to see that there are corrupting forces at play within the leadership of our society. When the corrupting forces at play do their thing, the news reporters ignore it or spin it as though nothing wrong happened--the profane are tricked again.
@MillionthUsername In an ideal world, logic and reason rule, but in a world where there is any corrupting influence over quite a number of things, logic and reason become slightly fuzzy in nature.
In many discussions you will probably encounter the term "the powers that be." These people are the ones that determine if a promoter of some new thing will be vilified, killed, threatened or bought out to suppress any new thing that competes with existing paradigms & revenue streams.
@MillionthUsername On the other hand, maybe I've been tricked by writings of scholars like Carroll Quigley?
I would preferred that all my schooling & news information was 100% true, but I've found that it has not been.
There are instances of fake news, of fake or distorted medical / science studies. Now I have to be on the lookout for financial interest conflicts direct or indirect from the sources. Various levels of government officials have been caught lying years afterward. Trust but verify.
@MillionthUsername Some problems in our current society / world stem from a lack of social responsibility, toxic waste pollution / dumping, greed, & criminality that goes unpunished because the perpetrators are elite rich tycoons, or carry out the misdeeds by hired corporate goon proxies.
Gas fraking is a case in point. I was invested in such crap, but now have pulled out of it because of the toxic consequences that kill people, animals, & plant life. Science fraud is used to argue its safety.
@MillionthUsername As for your free people freely trading, it never did occur to you that when a big corporation starts trading their cheap mass produced crap to a second or third world country that they immediately put out of business the local producers thus creating unemployment? And later those empoverished people will have to work like slaves for 2$/day in in the factories those big corporations will build in their country because they now have cheap labor force? (ex: sweatshops in Asia).
@NForcer211 So hiring people in third world countries is evil? And the person that hires them and pays them to make things is the CAUSE of them being in poverty? Why don't you try to THINK before spouting the communist propaganda. WHY are the people so poor to begin with? Why don't they have their own businesses making 10x as much already? Is it because people elsewhere are producing things for sale? Do you really thing that? Or perhaps maybe it is due to OPPRESSION and LACK of PROPERTY RIGHTS?
@MillionthUsername And i didn't say we don't need trade. Without trade of resources and technologies much of the human population would be wiped out. However this trade only occurs when there are enough money, thus poor countries which are the richest in natural resources struggle with poverty and starvation as their resources are being looted by monetary powerful nations.
@NForcer211 ZM people talk about "getting rid of" money and trade. If you understand that that would lead to starvation and untold misery, good for you. That's my point. Why you are talking to me about all this other stuff, I don't know. You seemed to be picking up the ZM argument against money, trade, liberty, etc. Now you are in favor of normal rational economic exchange? Great.
@MillionthUsername And who the hell told you that ZM is against liberty and trade? If you even to took the time learn what an RBE is about you'd have found out that one the most important aspects is declaring ALL of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of ALL humans. No more 20% of the population consuming 80% of the resources exploited each year and no more 1% of the population holding 40% of the total resources of this planet, which is exactly what your "free market" has lead to today.
@NForcer211 We do not have a free market. So why are you blaming something so basic as the right to produce and trade freely for things that governments do by force? Why do you people ALWAYS have to lie with everything you say? Is it because you are morally and intellectually bankrupt? Or are you just so stupid that words lose their meaning?
If you don't know that ZM is against property, money, free market, then you don't know what you're talking about at all.
@MillionthUsername Currently 1 billion people are starving or living in extreme poverty according to the UN. Those people live in the richest places on earth in natural resources but those resources are either exploited by the big corporations or sold to them for nothing so yes they don't have PROPERTY RIGHTS exactly because they are stolen from them by the people that are promoted by your free market.
@NForcer211 "they don't have PROPERTY RIGHTS exactly because they are stolen from them by the people that are promoted by your free market."
Another big fat LIE. Why do you continually demonize those who believe in freedom? Why is freedom to blame for an evil gov't money and credit system? I can only assume that you are a liar since you refuse to make the simplest of distinctions. You are just a political and economic hack out to slash and burn, not help anyone arrive at understanding.
@MillionthUsername Yes i know that ZM is against property, money and the capitalist "free trade", not the trade of resources or technology because all resources are shared among humans and any new technology that appears will become available to everyone. Money are just worthless sheets of paper so if you would discard them today no harm would come to anyone.
@NForcer211 Money is not "worthless sheets of paper." Gov't "money" is. Do you know how to make a distinction? When you speak of ZM, it's all meaningless double-talk. What does it mean to "trade resources" when they are "against property"? You are taking what they say at face value, just like people who are brainwashed by politicians. But politicians are liars, and so are communists who promise you things they can't deliver. They are lying when they say they will have no political structure.
@MillionthUsername As for property you will have access to every necessity of life: food, water, clothing, housing, transportation, education, healthcare etc. No one will take them away from you, it's your right to have them. The only difference is that when your not using some of them, like let's say you want to move to another place, they become available to others so as to prevent waste of resources by not using their utility.
@NForcer211 "you will have access to every necessity of life" Says who? Who will provide that? Politicians say the same things. And you don't understand what a right is. Rights are negative. They define the boundaries between people. Forcing someone else to provide for you is not a "right." We all have "access" to what we need as long as we have some measure of freedom. It is the denial of our rights which constitute oppression, not property rights or trade or money.
@MillionthUsername Resorting to dualism aka if your not a christian your a satanist, if your not a capitalist your a communist etc. is a sign of intellectual weakness. I do not support either the communist or the capitalist system as they both have huge flaws, neither of them being superior to the other. I support a system that is up to date with the present knowledge of humanity and who's main goal is offering the best possible living conditions for all humans, not just the select few.
@NForcer211 I call them communists not because I oppose them but because they believe in communism. They just don't use the term. They've added a futurist tone so now the "worker's paradise" includes not just ideal communes but servant robots to replace even the labor of the workers. An ideology involving control of all the world's resources is absolutely impossible without worldwide violence. And command economies just don't work. They lead to starvation and misery.
@MillionthUsername What does ANY mean? You're using them right now. Whether it is the electricity running through your house, or the radio waves which send information over the internet, or the laws of thermodynamics that make your car go all of these discoveries were made possible by human creativity. Imagine putting copyrights on electricity, nuclear fusion, radio transmitters, internal combustion engines , substances that kill germs etc. You'd be the richest person on Earth.
Watched a video series that contains some interesting info. If you search >"Open your eyes DVD 5" torrent< you will find what I'm talking about. In one of the videos in one small section it states that freedom of choice is all fine & good if the people making the choices are fully aware of where their choices will lead in future history, but that this is rarely the case, so we end up roped into a global economy where 0.01% get wealthy and the rest of we profane masses are taxed & over-worked.
@oldspammer Individual video is on Google videos. See >Dr. Michael Parenti - Terrorism, Globalization and Conspiracy<
He makes the point that all nations that are now wealthy were in poor condition in the late 1800s and early 1900s until some social justice laws were pushed through against the wishes of the tycoons who wanted to keep 14 hour days, 7 day work weeks, child labor, and so on. If you read up on the Ludlow Colorado massacre, the employees were slaves paid in company script not money.
Jordan produces some good and some bad information.
The good is the warnings about the rich elite who control the world. The bad is most of the stuff about what he admires from Madame Helena Blavatsky who was said to have channeled information from "elsewhere" to write Jordan Maxwell's favorite book. See >debunking Jordan Maxwell<
Zeitgeist movies promoted simplistic solutions extremely apt to fail & need rework.
The only troubles that I suspect is that most of the new energy schemes except a couple are all huge projects requiring lots of industrial processes and financing.
A centralized system outputs energy that is metered and the end customer must sometimes pay two companies: the generation company and the delivery company. Ontario, Canada they had fees added for debt reduction--they wasted money going into servicing-repair of some power plants built in earth quake zones, yet not designed for that.
@oldspammer Eh, this video isn't about financing, it's about capability. Once people realize the technical capability we have on this planet (for all biological and quality of life needs), financing becomes a pointless "old world" system that is no longer relevant.
@TZMSocialEvolution Dude, there is a conspiratorial theory of history. That theory appears evident in many examples including reality TV shows like Survivor. Groups of individuals form to gain advantage and increase the chances of key individuals winning in the end. Same is done in the real world by financiers. These financiers are already invested in old world technology as well as the financial system including bank ownership, science funding, medical care & research, oil, electricity, etc
@TZMSocialEvolution The new energy capabilities that you address I pointed out that some are not for home use and require the same old same old debt financing, metering, and inflationary priced billing schemes for consumers. The way to go is small scale, localized power generation that is not centrally controlled by J.P. Morgan types of people / companies who will threaten to turn the system off if the user does not continue to pay them.
@TZMSocialEvolution There are 1950s and 1960s Nobel prizes in physics that were given to people who illustrated that there are imbalances in sub-atomic particle physics. These imbalances exist on higher levels too that permit what is called energy from the vacuum. The vacuum is supposedly full of a random photon flux pattern, that if rectified and controlled can be harnessed to produce various sorts of energy without ongoing fuel costs.
@oldspammer The words used for this physics is actually "broken symmetry."
These and other ideas are promoted by Thomas Bearden who has examined many ideas and questions in physics, electrical engineering, free energy, anti-gravity, politics & medicine.
To suppress Bearden, many have leveled criticism of him and not necessarily the merits of his message.
Bearden talks about Oliver Heaviside's simplification of Maxwell's equations that model electricity, magnatism, and electromagnetism, etc.
@TZMSocialEvolution These systems run counter to the physics promoted in the latter part of Einstein's life because he promoted the idea that the vacuum of space contained nothingness--void of any smaller particles, however, many scientists before and after Einstein have said that the Michelson Morley experiment would not be able to prove or disprove that the vacuum was void of media / particles.
@TZMSocialEvolution If this theory of the vacuum of space containing some form of uncharacterized virtual particles is correct, then no system in physics is a closed system because these particular virtual particles are what was considered the vacuum / void. When a system is open to the environment at large, then energy from external sources can enter and then provide energy to that system.
@TZMSocialEvolution The conspiratorial nature of history enters the picture by politically sponsoring the ideas of Einstein over those of others who endorsed the vacuum energy theories.
Nazi Bell experiment was based on what they termed (rightly or wrongly) non-Jewish physics. 100 years ago or more the Rothschilds began promoting what some now call a Babylonian monetary system. Some accuse them of being Jewish while others claim Rothshilds only follow Talmudic teachings, leading to confusion.
@TZMSocialEvolution Fascism, communism, etc were supposedly sponsored as dialectic forces to cause wars that the financiers could sponsor to gain war profits. Warburg, Rothschild, Rockefeller, and others have been linked through their corporations as having sponsored the rise of Hitler (and other competing isms). Whatever the international bankers want, they get by changing the education system, indoctrination, TV ads, media ownership, pharmaceutical drugs, political sponsorship, etc.
@TZMSocialEvolution Physics behind vacuum energy has been shunned because localized, very powerful energy sources could be cheaply made, and owned by end-customers--unmetered by the world money powers.
If we suspect that our education and societal systems have been altered by tycoons in order not to teach us critical thinking, or information about physics that would cause disruption in their commerce, we gain critical insight by considering alternative theories for physics & power generation.
@walter0bz Supposedly some inventors are left alone if they keep quite, but other ones are either approached & threatened to stop talking about it, while other inventors are killed by mysterious means. Some guys move away & begin researching less offensive technologies like Steven Meyer did when he moved to Canada from his native Ohio once his brother Stanley died under mysterious circumstances. Now Steve is promoting his fuel economy assist technology that doesn't replace any established stuff.
@walter0bz We as humans so far have limited technological knowledge that prevents us from fully utilizing even the stuff that we understand now. As such this limited knowledge would automatically limit our ability to take large scale advantage of any of this.
@walter0bz I am in the process of watching some UFO conference videos on Google videos involving Billy Meier in 2006. The video is about 4 hours long. It has opened my eyes even further. Apparently this Billy guy is Swiss and has been in contact with pan dimensional alien beings for many decades. These aliens supposedly can travel through time. They showed Billy some hidden information and some future predictions. In 1987 they predicted the 2001 September 11 terror attacks on the WTC.
@walter0bz First I searched >imf conspiracy< then clicked on related videos involving NWO conspiracy, then clicked on one of the Project Camelot videos about George Green who talked about all sorts of this alien stuff in connection with synthetic human beings.
It is not my plan to encourage others to suspend their beliefs, etc, but I still want to consider all possibilities without discounting anything that is said. George Green mentions Hitler's double and Antarctica and South America 1945.
@walter0bz I just did a Google search of the following keywords:
contact 230 bush islam billy meier world trade centre
And it comes up with the cited predictions made two years later in 1989 where it states that terrorists will use commercial jets and fly them into the WTC, and that Bush and company will let it happen on purpose to trigger Iraq invasion.
@walter0bz What the heck is that? And how has that ever worked in the past to put plug and play, packaged, black box products on the shelves of Wal*Mart?
Some of this stuff is really exotic and only economies of scale of mass production will lower the price of the end units so that a normal person could buy any of them.
Any kind of attempt to hand reproduce technology is expensive, error prone, problematic quality control, etc, rendering this suggestion as infeasible.
>>"Some of this stuff is really exotic and only economies of scale of mass production"
- if its FREE ENERGY, you'd just make your prototype and personally use the energy.. you wouldn't NEED to sell it. You can always synthesize what you need and barter with outside world.
Can you offer any retorts here ?
"mass production.." seems like excuses from scam artists.
@walter0bz I prefer not to hand build my equipment due to my lack of craftsmanship, troubles locating components, lack of key know-how yet unpublished, lack of spare cash, risk that I won't be able to reproduce something without a lot of help.
Certain devices like Searl's need exotic magnetic materials fabricated to close tolerances. Some of these devices have been patented with intentionally vague descriptions of how to reproduce them--EV Gray motors, Stanley Meyer VIC and PLL.
@walter0bz Bushman explains Searl and Hutchison are OK due to data and credible witnesses.
The Free Energy the race for zero point scratches the surface and explains some of the problems involved in explaining the physics to the patent office.
If Einstein was mostly correct, but not all, then ether / zero point physics makes all systems open to the zero point / ether. This means that so called perpetual motion machines based on zero point receive outside energy and are thus not perpetual.
@walter0bz Historically, one could say that energy was related to money only because those who developed the technology and harnessed it were able to send military forces to battle over oil and nuclear stuff because they became rich and politically powerful so that they could control governments to do these things.
They changed the education system and news media not to teach / discuss subject matter that reflected negatively on their aims. See >Griffin OR Monteith Norman Dodd B. Carroll Reece<
@walter0bz I lack time, know-how, skills, money to build stuff making the risk that the end product would not work be very high. I fear that this is the same for others or that people who could do this are more interested in TV shows, or updating their facebook pages or watching sports or playing video games because they are asleep still.
While the stuff you say may be possible, that is ideally the case, but reality can become a huge obstacle to achieving the end goal.
>>"They changed the education system and news media "
- i reject the idea of 'supressed science' - too difficult. too many inqisitive minds performing experiment, things can be independantly discovered, and any "lies" in the classroom would fall apart where they dont fit together.
@walter0bz The speed of light is not a constant and varies with the medium this is how lens refraction works--this was simplified in textbooks in high school so that e=mc2 would be easier to teach. Conservation of momentum is not true as per the Boyd Bushman examples. There are all sorts of argued points in science today on places like Wikipedia. The rich tycoons who run mass media and write text books determine "truth" that is widely believed by the profane.
@walter0bz I already explained that it is human nature to do exactly as is done on reality TV shows--form groups who conspire against their competition. The viewer is in on the scheming, but the rest of the competitors are not. Secrets are the basis of conspiracies. Trustworthy people can keep secrets.
@walter0bz Suppression can be the lack of funding or the large propensity of arm chair experts who come forward to pooh-pooh facts & reports of independent witnesses based solely upon their difficulty believing. This is exactly what Boyd Bushman warns about. BTW, you probably did not Google video search stuff to do with my Norman Dodd reference did you? He states specifically that teaching of history was specifically targeted by elites.
@walter0bz Several times congressmen have put into the record that corruption of the news media is evident and that it was planned and deliberate.
Usually one or more people can become rich if they trick the profane into believing something that is untrue so as to place them into unknowing voluntary servitude--paying too much for too little, or paying an unfair share of taxes, or being paid too low a wage for the work being done. It is a common trick.
@walter0bz Google video search >ufo tech fusion rocket youtube<
The teenager from the 1970s was smarter than Einstein and consulted with Stephen Hawkings.
Please comment here on that series of videos about the fusion rocket.
Were you taught in school that in the 1970s the AREA 51 scientists were trying to reverse engineer an alien fusion rocket propulsion system by having a teenager have a look at it after he had build his own fusion rocket and landed his rocket on Groom Lake?
@walter0bz V. P. Kaznacheyev 1974 experiments on cellular "death transmission" through glass versus quartz.
Bearden theorizes that by phase conjugation the Russians were able to develop disease cures that reversed the effects of the cellular death of such diseases using transmission of disease photons through / into a plasma.
See >Bearden-AIDS-Biological-Warfare Scribd<
youtube.com/watch?v=Q6T54cpMt1E "A New Physics Kept Secret from the World"
@oldspammer - i dont deny that there are manipulative elites though. But they emerged precisely because we live in a finite world with competition for scarce resources.
@TZMSocialEvolution Consider the Searl Effect Generator. It uses 2 levels of rings with 3 levels of roller magnets rolling / rotating at high speed. The motion of the magnetic fields causes a flow in vacuum energy particles as a vortex centered at the center of the smallest ring. The effects are that the temperature drops to near absolute zero, and that gravity and light are effected by the vacuum particle vortex. Also the Hutchison Effect happens to affect the localized space time and matter.
@walter0bz You have the web, do a search for >john searl story torrent dvd<
You also need to video research fully something called the Nazi Bell that was a war decisive technology so secret that ALL the Nazi scientists working on it were killed to prevent the information being leaked.
Researcher Jim Marrs says that Nazis had a secret level on this higher than their atom and nuclear bomb development projects, and that the likelihood was high that Nazis already had nukes or a-bombs.
i've read some of this... the UFO bases in antarctica ? :)
It might be true they had some secret high tech, after all the abomb from no abomb is pretty magical sounding ("crush a certain mineral and it explodes!").
But I think if ZPE had been harnessed, those who control it wouldn't bother with
the rest of us! they'd wipe us out and repopulate with their own offspring.
@walter0bz The Nazi Bell supposedly uses some purple mercury compound possibly in a high velocity plasma vortex that produces antigravity effects, kills nearby living things exposed to the emitted field, and produces energy.
All these things are slightly similar to the Searl Effect Generator.
elsewhere on youtube I did see some interesting speculation about spinning superfluid to relativisitic velocities (iron filings in mercury, supercooled), I have to admit this is intruiging.
I remain completely skeptical about FREE energy though, since if you had this you would become "God", able to synthesize elements etc. you wouldn't waste your time with the rest of humanity.. you'd build inpenetrable fortresses made of diamond and live how you want inside.
@walter0bz Dude--become god? Let's get real. There is such thing as cold fusion, but the process takes a long time to build up the heavy water, and then only certain documented elements get created. Some elements that are created using particle colliders are unstable--having short half-life. The rate of formation of these alchemy reactions is such that only small quantities of changed material would be done--hardly a gold making scheme to get rich. And lots of wasted heat.
@TZMSocialEvolution There are possible negative and positive health effects in the fields generated. Also, the pickup coils on the outermost diameter for the outer rotating magnets develop inconveniently high voltages like 1 to 3 million volts AC. If anchored to the floor/concrete, the metal hooks and chains holding the apparatus undergo temporary matter transformation while within the vacuum particle flux vortex flow so that many such SEG devices have been lost due to anti-gravity into space.
He was the senior scientist at the top secret skunk works of Lockheed Martin. Though various interviews with him you can learn not to discount eyewitness testimonies to unusual physics phenomenon like many Rockefeller-funded university educated people tend to do who then post comments to the internet that these things are all fraud.
@TZMSocialEvolution Consider the movie "The Matrix." Potentially any one of these arm chair critics people ARE AGENTS for the system--a system pulled down over your eyes to hide the truth from you--that you are a slave Neo.
Whereas the Rothschilds' children are born into wealth and do not have to work, most of the profane people must work and pay taxes. Taxes more and more go to pay interest on debt financed monetary system invented by the Rothschild banking system of the World Bank, IMF, etc.
@TZMSocialEvolution Rothchilds and Rockefellers & other elite families control most of the world, have hidden their wealth, do not appear on any richest persons list, & pay virtually no taxes. 1970s during his confirmation hearings, nominated US Vice President candidate Nelson Rockefeller admitted that although he controlled / owned a large fraction of a billion dollars of corporations, and real estate that he paid no income tax because his wealth was hidden in 5000+ tax exempt foundations.
@oldspammer A lot of posts...not a lot of relevant information to the one goal of this video...to show people what tech exists. Then we show how we can implement it all in a better way using the RBE system developed by TVP. All this money power crap means nothing is we, the people of the world, opt out of "their system". They absolutely need us to feed them and give them power. The moment we stop, the moment they fail, which is also the moment humanity thrives.
@TZMSocialEvolution Sounds good, but what will motivate the guy on the street to cooperate in your system so that he contributes to the next targeted goal?
In the capitalist system, self-interest, self-betterment were the driving forces.
Communist system seemed missing these motivations and so had to be propped up by the puppet masters which I described.
In a mixed economy poor people on welfare were motivated to have children, while working poor not to have children--success of the lazy?
@oldspammer When the "guy on the street" has an amazing life, excellent medical care, free access to advanced education, etc...his contribution will be him pursuing his passions, be it art, science, whatever. They will do what they love to do, do it well and with passion, and the world will be better for it.
Also, there is no "next targeted goal", but only one fluid and ever present goal...better oneself, better the system, help humanity. You can't teach selfishness and expect selflessness.
@TZMSocialEvolution To have this happen, there has to be a step forward for some reason, a set of initial changes set into motion from some stimulus, a path marked out that is apparent or clear that cannot be mistaken that people will see is where they should go or pursue, etc.
This all just does not happen by magic.
The Rockefellers have think tank groups. They plan the future. Foundations sponsor legislation to be drafted. Law makers signed on the bottom line. Presto stuff happens.
@oldspammer Keep in mind we're a global group, and the USA is an irrelevant cog in the wheel thanks to its own self administered "stupidity" drip. lol. The USA will be the last to wake up, because "we" are the most blind due to our "prosperity". There are things going on around the world towards this new vision for humanity, and whether people like it or not, it's already in motion.
>>"In the capitalist system, self-interest, self-betterment were the driving forces.
Communist system seemed missing these motivations "
- capitalism is better at allocating resources. I think communists wanted money to just be 'work-tokens' which fails to calculate the relative worth of labour, machines & resources. ( I know their long term ideal was to eradicate money as per Venus Project, and just like the VP would it collapsed before they could realize that)
@walter0bz youtube.com/watch?v=ig4UQCCdyyM "How to find the truth"
youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwVCMfTXWE "how the mass media works"
youtube.com/watch?v=wXrei26q9qI "Suppressed Science - Inventing the Impossible"
By examining videos above, it should become clear that your schooling and mass media cannot be trusted to be inclusive/unbiased.
All the greatest inventors who tried to bring free-energy to mankind were discarded by media & science journals & industrialist tycoons of their time, or killed.
@walter0bz This would be fine if all things were equal. Trouble is there are artificial credit crunches made to happen on purpose, and similar boom and bust cycles planned by elites to make "order out of chaos."
Some critics claim that the elites want depopulation to very low levels and want to control those who remain. If you are too cleaver, you may not be controllable--and so they might prefer more service industry people than peers.
>>"..elites want depopulation ..and want to control those who remain"
- here's how I see it:-
Depopulation isn't negotiable - its inevitable because of Peak Oil. The whole human species has gone on the "boom-bust" curve. Oil WAS relatively speaking, "free energy" with EROI as high as 100 , when you compare it to other human activities.
Naturally there are people figuring out how to come out on top of the collapse.
@walter0bz I found a source for the story about them planning on getting rid of the man leaving the meeting room. It is in the George Green Project Camelot video that I watched a couple of hours ago at a point in the second half of hour 1.
If the Joe Cell is not a hoax and can be made to work reliably, then I do not see a problem.
@walter0bz Google >Thomas Robert Malthus 1766- 1834<
This guy, living that long ago, was promoting the ideas of culling the human race because there was overpopulation back then.
The George Green / Project Camelot video states that aliens designed the ecosystem of the planet to only sustain 500 Million people to be in balance with nature. George is supposedly a NWO conspiracy participant and got his information from NWO members and supposedly aliens.
@walter0bz These ideas of overpopulation have been propagated by groups of elite ever since Malthus. Because the Rockefeller sponsored General Education Board and Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Education, these elites have been influencing what is taught in schools since the late 1800s.
Earth may be able to support more people than we have now, but not if man kind continues to behave the way that it has done.
>>"Google >"Club of Rome" population eco-fascist<"
:)
i generally agree with the malthusian mindset, but of course we musn't allow anyone to rise to power over "pre-emptive" population reduction. it should be down to us to do 1CP for ourselves.
@walter0bz Too late... Separate lines for Google video keyword searches as follows.
James Collier votescam the stealing of America
HBO Bev Harris Hacking Democracy
"Invisible ballots"
freeman on the land standing in court world-bankruptcy Adrian Charters Dominic Vince
If you watch these related videos, you will see that we or our ancestors already let that cat out of the bag, and we have been under the total control of the world money powers for a very long time.
@walter0bz One critic remarked that elite genocidal guys even want to depopulate one another.
The example cited was that at the end of one of their meetings, one guy leaves, and the remaining guys are already plotting getting rid of the guy who just left the room.
Looked into the da vinci surgical system a little over a year ago when looking for a solution to a suspected Mitral Valve problem. Tipped off by surgical assistant for a local surgeon, she had the procedure done and said it made her feel like a new person. The estimated cost was somewhere between $100,000 to $150,000 in western North Carolina with no chest cracking and no valve replacement.
The overall prognosis for mankind right now looks pretty dismal; although, I can relate to the Awakening.
@TZMSocialEvolution "Masters of our own destiny"..... Paolo Soleri's The Omega Seed; or Dane Rudhyar's Fire Out Of The Stone, and The Planetarization of Consciousness.
@spiritech999 Although denounced as a fraud, money hungry guy, some of what Keven Trudeau has said is true.
He suffered an actual confirmed, inoperable Mitral Valve defect, and found alternative treatments.
By using P2P you can find the audio set of his initial book about Cures that They Don't Want You to Know About (or similar such name). I listened to a bunch of it years ago. Later, over numerous years, more and more of his claims were confirmed. (Not all of them mind you, but some.)
@oldspammer Trudeau got implanted with animal tissue to fix the problem somehow.
Seems certain animal's tissues can be used for "organ" donations.
In a mainstream TV news show from before I had ever heard of Trudeau, I even saw some people with diabetes treated with animal tissue implants. Lots of the nay sayers are idiots about medical science and try to dissuade patients from investigating medical procedures that are routinely, successfully performed outside the medical mafia's jurisdiction.
@bajjmo19 Basically the Technocracy system. My issue with it is that energy is the scarce variable. If energy is abundant for all ppl (and it can be), then any currency based on energy has no real value, because the basis itself is abundant.
Any currency, no matter the basis, assumes scarcity of something for trade. In the RBE, everything is abundant, recycled, reused and available for all without the need for trade or barter, thus why no currency is needed. Can't trade that which is abundant.
@bajjmo19 Note that this wasn't possible 30 years ago. We really couldn't create abundance for everything until recently, which is why every idea by anyone in the past doesn't match up with current capability. It's all about current capability, not ideas from 50 years ago.
@herpiethelovebug Well, I couldn't think of everything when I made this. lol. I even forgot to mention Contour Crafting, and I know all about that system for building homes and buildings. Still, ASIMO is cool, as is MIT's Nexi robot (the one who speaks with facial expression).
@TZMSocialEvolution We don't need these technologies for cancer, what we need is legalization of THC. THC, directly injected into a tumor will halt it's growth and make it destroy itself, look it up! :)
@gibbsies And Hemp is good for clothing, making plastics, ropes, and who knows what other textiles. I never focus on the smoking crap, because it does really kill brain cells and isn't exactly "healthy" in large doses, but neither is alcohol. We all know why Pot is illegal, because it's so easy to grow and really can't be taxed or regulated by the govt. in Corp form or as an institution. So if they can't profit from it, they make it illegal and profit off the crime aspect.
@TZMSocialEvolution Exactly, but what I'm saying is that if it were used as a medicine for cancer, we wouldn't need artificial limbs and whatnot. You don't have to smoke it, you can make an oil with it and rub it on skin cancer and it will destroy it in a short period of time.
Oh, and the only "brain damage" study I have seen was one where they stuffed the lungs of monkeys so much that they couldn't breathe. It was lack of oxygen that killed their brain cells, not the THC.
@gibbsies What you say is correct. Google rhesus monkeys smoke marijuana study heath asphyxiation carbon monoxide
Within the last 5 months I heard media propaganda about something: Google marijuana schizophrenia myth
I have come to realize that if the Rockefeller corporate pharmaceutical industry does not control it, research grant money is provided to produce large numbers of highly questionable studies that posit links to all kinds of negative things about a competing treatment or cure.
2011:
New train tech, ride time: 10 hours-->3 hours. x3
New med tech, patient recovery time: 7 weeks-->6 days. x7
New fab tech, manufacturing 3D print: cost -1-20$ for ANYTHING imaginable. x100+
superdiza 4 months ago
Name of the music composition at the end of the movie?!! please?P!
SLqB11 5 months ago
Same here man, I am willing to devote my life to TheVenusProject.. so many people don't believe in this completely new and better way of living.
007Chazo 8 months ago 2
This was one of the most hopefull videos I have seen for the furture of our children and our plannet... I hope its not a dream and that it becomes a reality... Technology is great at the hands of love and respect...
MrRioIam 9 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution when will we build at least 1 city? I am ready to start building and offer my time and resources :P
futureboy00 10 months ago
@futureboy00 Impossible to say. Depends on what government wants it, how they'll help, how industry would help, how financing would work (cuz it will cost)...etc. A lot of variables involved with that. Of course, once it's done, the dominoes will fall after it proves life can be amazing. :)
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution but few tousand people can build it on a small scale, calculate a price and split it to few tousand tickets or something like that, or some people can pay a part and the other part they can work at building it
futureboy00 10 months ago
@futureboy00 Remember, it's supposed to be high tech and highly automated...and that's costly. A few million at the least...for a "neighborhood" kind of setup, and about $20 billion for a decent city of about 50k people.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution If we play our cards right, we would only have to do a one-time investment to get this all running. The city you build will act like one big company to the outside economy, since all resources are shared within it. Therefor if you can make a profit with this city, you can use that to expand its boundaries or build a new city. As long as you manage to make the first city profitable, all following cities will also be, because they will be less dependent on the outside economy.
lKnowBest 8 months ago 2
@lKnowBest Use the system against itself....precisely. Has to be done right the first time though.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution
"Depends on what government wants it"
Both Turkey and some country in the UAE have both offered Jacque a chance for him to build one. Atleast, Jacque says they offered this to him...
FuriousImp 9 months ago
@FuriousImp yeah but not sure about Turkey, but UAE wanted it for the wrong reasons.
EasternMerchant 3 months ago
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my only concern with the ZM is the acquisition and processing of necessary raw resources without the usage of manpower. at some point all of these machines require manpower, whether it be the mining of raw materials, maintenance, troubleshooting glitches, or simply the operation and development of said technologies. so if manpower is required, how are we supposed to obtain it without offering people something that isn't already given to them freely and is also required by them?
MiggaMike 10 months ago
my only concern with the ZM is the acquisition and processing of necessary raw resources without the usage of manpower. at some point all of these machines require manpower, whether it be the mining of raw materials, maintenance, troubleshooting glitches, or simply the operation and development of said technologies. so if manpower is required, how are we supposed to obtain it without offering people something that isn't already given to them freely and is also required by them.
MiggaMike 10 months ago
@MiggaMike A common misconception is that the RBE is all about zero human labor. No. It's about drastically reduced human labor, up to 80% less in most cases. Additionally, when it comes to resource extraction, one must consider how much more automated it can be, but it isn't because of unions & labor laws that are more focused on creating jobs than actually automating dangerous tasks. As for who would do the work, people who are passionate about that kind of work.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@MiggaMike Continuing from last post: Why do people volunteer today for free? Why do people sink money into hobbies that give no financial return? There are many instances when people do things counter to financial incentive. It's actually more natural for us to do that, than succumb to some notion that we crave money like oxygen. The system currently programs that as a "truth", when it is not. And with free education for all, the human resource potential for everyone is limitless.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution once everything is set in place i'm sure that is a feasible option. but how can we make the switch? as it stands we don't have enough productive resources to "run the world" with just volunteer work. i'm also not convinced that anyone would volunteer their services as a coal miner, or really any industry job that is hard work and hazardous to their health. how can we replace those crucial jobs? thanks for replying
MiggaMike 10 months ago
@MiggaMike Hazardous jobs are automated. It's high time we stop putting people in danger doing work that technology can do. The volunteers for that are the scientists and engineers that would develop such technologies. Side note, there is already an automated mining robot. :) You can Google it. The switch is a challenge, no doubt. Erosion is the best method, not so fast it causes suffering, but fast enough to make money pointless.
TZMSocialEvolution 9 months ago
All provided by capitalism, not RBE. There is no RBE.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername yeah, capitalism was a great tool and a necessary one for us to get to the point we are now... but if we want to transcend we must take the good things from the nowadays old and outdated system to build a new one... yeah, there is no RBE, believe I know, but there will be one soon.... just as gathering hunting societies before, those systems were the ones that created agriculture, and then agriculture was used to create a new system. the gifts are used, the system is forgotten
ganyita 10 months ago
@ganyita How is it outdated when you require it to produce RBE? All you people seem to be saying is that RBE is the imagined pinnacle of capitalism where there is so much wealth produced at so little cost that labor isn't even necessary anymore. That would be the ultimate triumph of capitalism, not RBE, for you can't build RBE *with* RBE. It is meaningless as a "system." It's just a term to parasitically siphon off credit for progress from capitalists.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername all were provided by human's creativity, not by capitalism, capitalism is just a system that gave us some sort of enough stability for the human mind to go this far, now we must use what we have learned to create a system that will give us even more stability, with less side effects (war, poverty and corruption) such as a RBE, to be able to go even further... nothing is forever, everything will eventually change and evolve, we have not achieve perfection yet, neither our MAX..
ganyita 10 months ago
@ganyita It is human creativity which created capitalism precisely because it allows people to produce and trade freely. Money was invented to solve the problem of barter. But you people say that the free market is evil, and that money is evil. You want to "eliminate" them. But if you eliminate them now, you will have nothing.
War, poverty, and corruption are rooted in the state since it is institutionalized violence and a monopoly power. Capitalism is just property rights and voluntary trade.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Oh damn, one more thing: The Chinese invented gunpowder, Galileo revolutionized astronomy (despite threats of death from the ever stupid Church), Newton revolutionized math & other sciences, Da Vinci created countless inventions, Romans built advanced aqueducts & used the arch for construction of durable buildings...all before Capitalism ever existed. Innovation isn't dependent on economic systems, but human quality of life is. Big difference. Okay, now I'm done. Good day! :)
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername No RBE? There is in your home, unless you make your family pay for dinner, or you demand payment to do things around the house. Oh, wait, is that to logical for you? I'm sorry...what...you can't extrapolate 100,000+ years of egalitarian structure prior to the invention of money into the 21st century? As if money = oxygen. Eh, in reading your other comments, you're near hopelessly programmed. Enjoy the ride, the world is changing, whether you like it or not.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Family dinner is not a commercial transaction.
In commerce, everyone participates in their own way in economizing resources. They receive signals from the market regarding what goods and services people need and want at what price and quality. People spontaneously network to produce and share their unique skills with each other. This is called the division of labor and allows for civilization.
ZM calls this "evil." THAT is programming.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Actually, i don't call it evil, I call it obsolete and outdated. You no longer ride a horse for transport. Why? It's now obsolete and outdated for that task. You no longer carry a bucket to get water at the creek with the rest of the villagers. Why? That practice is now obsolete and outdated for the task. I could go on, but you'll toss more "free-market" rhetoric onto the fire, and I don't care. I have better things to do, but have a nice life nonetheless.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Galileo, Newton, Pascal, Faraday, Curie, Darwin, Tesla, Einstein, Bohr, Hawking and countless other scientists did not make ANY of their contributions to humanity for profit and material gain, every single thing that you take today for granted was made possible by non-selfish human creativity and was later incorporated in capitalism.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 That's ridiculous. Scientists have to be employed like everyone else. Everyone works for "material gain." It's called survival, a career, success. There is NOTHING wrong with working for a living, for crying out loud!
"Non-selfish human creativity"??? Ever hear of patents, copyrights, research grants, teaching positions, tenure, fame, honors, respect of your peers, your name in history?
How is this an argument against ECONOMICS? It's nuts.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername You missed the entire point. I gave examples of people who did not use their inventions to make fortunes because money never was a stimulus and never will be for the real contributor to society, that's why your assumption that capitalism or the "free market' provided everything you have is demonstrably false . Today does who make the biggest fortunes are those with zero contributions to society.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 You said that all these people did not make *any* of their contributions for profit or material gain. That's simply not true as stated.
How can it be false to say that the free market has provided what we have? The market is a function of society. People provide goods and services to each other economically through market mechanisms like price. The market is just the interaction of individuals. It's not an enemy.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Well then using your logic that everyone who contributed to society made it for profit and considering the fact that society uses their inventions on a daily basis, you would expect that the richest part of the population has been or should be comprised of the most important scientists in history with the most important social contributions.
Let's do a reality check ah..........no. Their not among them. And have never been. That's why you're logic is complete and utter BS.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 You're not making any sense. You said this: "scientists did not make ANY of their contributions to humanity for profit and material gain." What does ANY mean? I replied saying that is ridiculous. Now you reply to me implying that since I said you were wrong that must mean that I take the opposite view, that people never do anything except for profit or gain! That would also be ridiculous, and I didn't say that.
You are trying to say we don't need trade. I disagree.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername You said that the free market provided everything we have. I replied that human creativity did that. The free market is nothing more than the means of making profit out of every discovery that humanity made. That's why every new invention that doesn't make profit is not provided to the public by your free market, like free energy, electric cars, organic food etc. hindering our progress as a civilization because of the greed and corruption generated by the current system.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 The free market is the sum total of FREE PEOPLE FREELY TRADING WHAT THEY PRODUCE. Try having an advanced economy and general prosperity without property rights and freedom. I really cannot follow you at all. Trade is good but free trade is not? What is the other option? You want someone to control people? Who? How does the free market hinder energy or cars or organic food? What the hell are you talking about? Try saying something that makes sense. What are you arguing against?
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Wow you're either completely dumb or have no understanding of economics at all(American, right?). In the free market you only invest money in things that make profit: free energy, electric cars, organic food and almost every other new discovery beneficial to humanity DO NOT make huge profits for the investor, therefore are disregarded. Where you got the idea that i want someone to control people beats me.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 If your product can't make a profit, then it SUCKS and people DON'T WANT IT! Profit is the signal that what you are producing is demanded by enough people to make it profitable to you to economize your time and resources in production such that you can be freely rewarded by the people who purchase your product. This is so BASIC that it is understood by everyone.
What kind of "economics" are you talking about? The kind that doesn't exist in the real world? What a joke!
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername OMG so energy that doesn't pollute sucks? Food that doesn't poison your body sucks? Every human being on this planet wants to live a healthy, improved life but they can't when technologies that do that are not available to them thanks to the shit that you call free market. Now this is so BASIC that it can be understood by anyone.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 You also are correct in almost everything that you have said.
Thing about this proposed set of technologies & plans for a Utopian set of cities is that it fails to take into account all sorts of human frailties & current shortcomings in technology that need to be bridged before this can come close to becoming a reality.
Any systems have shortcomings. These shortcomings cannot be swept away under the rug or eventual troubles will happen. There are dumb and smart people.
oldspammer 9 months ago
@NForcer211 The leadership of such a society will fail if they lack accurate information / knowledge. Obviously stupid / naive / misinformed people leading the system would quickly have it fail through poor choices. Computers could not run certain aspects of the economic system because of the garbage in, garbage out scenario. Resources of different kinds are plentiful in some places and scarce in others. It would be just bad luck to build such a city where almost all resources were scarce?
oldspammer 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername Normally, your arguments are absolutely right, but we do not live in an ideal world. If you read my comments, you would see why most things you say are right, but other things are slightly inaccurate. Many people are beginning to see that there are corrupting forces at play within the leadership of our society. When the corrupting forces at play do their thing, the news reporters ignore it or spin it as though nothing wrong happened--the profane are tricked again.
oldspammer 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername In an ideal world, logic and reason rule, but in a world where there is any corrupting influence over quite a number of things, logic and reason become slightly fuzzy in nature.
In many discussions you will probably encounter the term "the powers that be." These people are the ones that determine if a promoter of some new thing will be vilified, killed, threatened or bought out to suppress any new thing that competes with existing paradigms & revenue streams.
oldspammer 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername On the other hand, maybe I've been tricked by writings of scholars like Carroll Quigley?
I would preferred that all my schooling & news information was 100% true, but I've found that it has not been.
There are instances of fake news, of fake or distorted medical / science studies. Now I have to be on the lookout for financial interest conflicts direct or indirect from the sources. Various levels of government officials have been caught lying years afterward. Trust but verify.
oldspammer 9 months ago
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oldspammer 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername Some problems in our current society / world stem from a lack of social responsibility, toxic waste pollution / dumping, greed, & criminality that goes unpunished because the perpetrators are elite rich tycoons, or carry out the misdeeds by hired corporate goon proxies.
Gas fraking is a case in point. I was invested in such crap, but now have pulled out of it because of the toxic consequences that kill people, animals, & plant life. Science fraud is used to argue its safety.
oldspammer 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername As for your free people freely trading, it never did occur to you that when a big corporation starts trading their cheap mass produced crap to a second or third world country that they immediately put out of business the local producers thus creating unemployment? And later those empoverished people will have to work like slaves for 2$/day in in the factories those big corporations will build in their country because they now have cheap labor force? (ex: sweatshops in Asia).
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 So hiring people in third world countries is evil? And the person that hires them and pays them to make things is the CAUSE of them being in poverty? Why don't you try to THINK before spouting the communist propaganda. WHY are the people so poor to begin with? Why don't they have their own businesses making 10x as much already? Is it because people elsewhere are producing things for sale? Do you really thing that? Or perhaps maybe it is due to OPPRESSION and LACK of PROPERTY RIGHTS?
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername And i didn't say we don't need trade. Without trade of resources and technologies much of the human population would be wiped out. However this trade only occurs when there are enough money, thus poor countries which are the richest in natural resources struggle with poverty and starvation as their resources are being looted by monetary powerful nations.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 ZM people talk about "getting rid of" money and trade. If you understand that that would lead to starvation and untold misery, good for you. That's my point. Why you are talking to me about all this other stuff, I don't know. You seemed to be picking up the ZM argument against money, trade, liberty, etc. Now you are in favor of normal rational economic exchange? Great.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername And who the hell told you that ZM is against liberty and trade? If you even to took the time learn what an RBE is about you'd have found out that one the most important aspects is declaring ALL of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of ALL humans. No more 20% of the population consuming 80% of the resources exploited each year and no more 1% of the population holding 40% of the total resources of this planet, which is exactly what your "free market" has lead to today.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 We do not have a free market. So why are you blaming something so basic as the right to produce and trade freely for things that governments do by force? Why do you people ALWAYS have to lie with everything you say? Is it because you are morally and intellectually bankrupt? Or are you just so stupid that words lose their meaning?
If you don't know that ZM is against property, money, free market, then you don't know what you're talking about at all.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Currently 1 billion people are starving or living in extreme poverty according to the UN. Those people live in the richest places on earth in natural resources but those resources are either exploited by the big corporations or sold to them for nothing so yes they don't have PROPERTY RIGHTS exactly because they are stolen from them by the people that are promoted by your free market.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 "they don't have PROPERTY RIGHTS exactly because they are stolen from them by the people that are promoted by your free market."
Another big fat LIE. Why do you continually demonize those who believe in freedom? Why is freedom to blame for an evil gov't money and credit system? I can only assume that you are a liar since you refuse to make the simplest of distinctions. You are just a political and economic hack out to slash and burn, not help anyone arrive at understanding.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Yes i know that ZM is against property, money and the capitalist "free trade", not the trade of resources or technology because all resources are shared among humans and any new technology that appears will become available to everyone. Money are just worthless sheets of paper so if you would discard them today no harm would come to anyone.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 Money is not "worthless sheets of paper." Gov't "money" is. Do you know how to make a distinction? When you speak of ZM, it's all meaningless double-talk. What does it mean to "trade resources" when they are "against property"? You are taking what they say at face value, just like people who are brainwashed by politicians. But politicians are liars, and so are communists who promise you things they can't deliver. They are lying when they say they will have no political structure.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername As for property you will have access to every necessity of life: food, water, clothing, housing, transportation, education, healthcare etc. No one will take them away from you, it's your right to have them. The only difference is that when your not using some of them, like let's say you want to move to another place, they become available to others so as to prevent waste of resources by not using their utility.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 "you will have access to every necessity of life" Says who? Who will provide that? Politicians say the same things. And you don't understand what a right is. Rights are negative. They define the boundaries between people. Forcing someone else to provide for you is not a "right." We all have "access" to what we need as long as we have some measure of freedom. It is the denial of our rights which constitute oppression, not property rights or trade or money.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername Resorting to dualism aka if your not a christian your a satanist, if your not a capitalist your a communist etc. is a sign of intellectual weakness. I do not support either the communist or the capitalist system as they both have huge flaws, neither of them being superior to the other. I support a system that is up to date with the present knowledge of humanity and who's main goal is offering the best possible living conditions for all humans, not just the select few.
NForcer211 10 months ago
@NForcer211 I call them communists not because I oppose them but because they believe in communism. They just don't use the term. They've added a futurist tone so now the "worker's paradise" includes not just ideal communes but servant robots to replace even the labor of the workers. An ideology involving control of all the world's resources is absolutely impossible without worldwide violence. And command economies just don't work. They lead to starvation and misery.
MillionthUsername 10 months ago
@MillionthUsername What does ANY mean? You're using them right now. Whether it is the electricity running through your house, or the radio waves which send information over the internet, or the laws of thermodynamics that make your car go all of these discoveries were made possible by human creativity. Imagine putting copyrights on electricity, nuclear fusion, radio transmitters, internal combustion engines , substances that kill germs etc. You'd be the richest person on Earth.
NForcer211 10 months ago
dope ass hell
aivscp03 11 months ago
Very interesting technonogy, thanks for sharing.
gr8light 1 year ago
Watched a video series that contains some interesting info. If you search >"Open your eyes DVD 5" torrent< you will find what I'm talking about. In one of the videos in one small section it states that freedom of choice is all fine & good if the people making the choices are fully aware of where their choices will lead in future history, but that this is rarely the case, so we end up roped into a global economy where 0.01% get wealthy and the rest of we profane masses are taxed & over-worked.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer Individual video is on Google videos. See >Dr. Michael Parenti - Terrorism, Globalization and Conspiracy<
He makes the point that all nations that are now wealthy were in poor condition in the late 1800s and early 1900s until some social justice laws were pushed through against the wishes of the tycoons who wanted to keep 14 hour days, 7 day work weeks, child labor, and so on. If you read up on the Ludlow Colorado massacre, the employees were slaves paid in company script not money.
oldspammer 1 year ago
"zeitgeist" I watched both videos.
A lot of the ideas come from Jordan Maxwell.
Jordan produces some good and some bad information.
The good is the warnings about the rich elite who control the world. The bad is most of the stuff about what he admires from Madame Helena Blavatsky who was said to have channeled information from "elsewhere" to write Jordan Maxwell's favorite book. See >debunking Jordan Maxwell<
Zeitgeist movies promoted simplistic solutions extremely apt to fail & need rework.
oldspammer 1 year ago
The only troubles that I suspect is that most of the new energy schemes except a couple are all huge projects requiring lots of industrial processes and financing.
A centralized system outputs energy that is metered and the end customer must sometimes pay two companies: the generation company and the delivery company. Ontario, Canada they had fees added for debt reduction--they wasted money going into servicing-repair of some power plants built in earth quake zones, yet not designed for that.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer Eh, this video isn't about financing, it's about capability. Once people realize the technical capability we have on this planet (for all biological and quality of life needs), financing becomes a pointless "old world" system that is no longer relevant.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Dude, there is a conspiratorial theory of history. That theory appears evident in many examples including reality TV shows like Survivor. Groups of individuals form to gain advantage and increase the chances of key individuals winning in the end. Same is done in the real world by financiers. These financiers are already invested in old world technology as well as the financial system including bank ownership, science funding, medical care & research, oil, electricity, etc
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution The new energy capabilities that you address I pointed out that some are not for home use and require the same old same old debt financing, metering, and inflationary priced billing schemes for consumers. The way to go is small scale, localized power generation that is not centrally controlled by J.P. Morgan types of people / companies who will threaten to turn the system off if the user does not continue to pay them.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution There are 1950s and 1960s Nobel prizes in physics that were given to people who illustrated that there are imbalances in sub-atomic particle physics. These imbalances exist on higher levels too that permit what is called energy from the vacuum. The vacuum is supposedly full of a random photon flux pattern, that if rectified and controlled can be harnessed to produce various sorts of energy without ongoing fuel costs.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer The words used for this physics is actually "broken symmetry."
These and other ideas are promoted by Thomas Bearden who has examined many ideas and questions in physics, electrical engineering, free energy, anti-gravity, politics & medicine.
To suppress Bearden, many have leveled criticism of him and not necessarily the merits of his message.
Bearden talks about Oliver Heaviside's simplification of Maxwell's equations that model electricity, magnatism, and electromagnetism, etc.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution These systems run counter to the physics promoted in the latter part of Einstein's life because he promoted the idea that the vacuum of space contained nothingness--void of any smaller particles, however, many scientists before and after Einstein have said that the Michelson Morley experiment would not be able to prove or disprove that the vacuum was void of media / particles.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution If this theory of the vacuum of space containing some form of uncharacterized virtual particles is correct, then no system in physics is a closed system because these particular virtual particles are what was considered the vacuum / void. When a system is open to the environment at large, then energy from external sources can enter and then provide energy to that system.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution The conspiratorial nature of history enters the picture by politically sponsoring the ideas of Einstein over those of others who endorsed the vacuum energy theories.
Nazi Bell experiment was based on what they termed (rightly or wrongly) non-Jewish physics. 100 years ago or more the Rothschilds began promoting what some now call a Babylonian monetary system. Some accuse them of being Jewish while others claim Rothshilds only follow Talmudic teachings, leading to confusion.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Fascism, communism, etc were supposedly sponsored as dialectic forces to cause wars that the financiers could sponsor to gain war profits. Warburg, Rothschild, Rockefeller, and others have been linked through their corporations as having sponsored the rise of Hitler (and other competing isms). Whatever the international bankers want, they get by changing the education system, indoctrination, TV ads, media ownership, pharmaceutical drugs, political sponsorship, etc.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Physics behind vacuum energy has been shunned because localized, very powerful energy sources could be cheaply made, and owned by end-customers--unmetered by the world money powers.
If we suspect that our education and societal systems have been altered by tycoons in order not to teach us critical thinking, or information about physics that would cause disruption in their commerce, we gain critical insight by considering alternative theories for physics & power generation.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"Physics behind vacuum energy has been shunned because ... money"
- this is BS
Energy and money are closely related.
If free energy was possible, the elite wouldn't need to bother controlling us.
anyone who could make "free energy" wouldn't need to sell it. they'd just make their own stuff, share it with people they want to etc.
He who invented a "free energy machine" could breed their own loyal workforce instead of relying on hired slaves, etc.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Video search >Free energy the race for zero point<
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
Can you predict what would happen if someone actually HAD a free energy machine.
I'd like to hear your ideas, Its a fun thought experiment.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Supposedly some inventors are left alone if they keep quite, but other ones are either approached & threatened to stop talking about it, while other inventors are killed by mysterious means. Some guys move away & begin researching less offensive technologies like Steven Meyer did when he moved to Canada from his native Ohio once his brother Stanley died under mysterious circumstances. Now Steve is promoting his fuel economy assist technology that doesn't replace any established stuff.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
FREE energy means UNLIMITED energy.
agree or disagree ?
when something is LIMITED but sought after, it is rationed.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz We as humans so far have limited technological knowledge that prevents us from fully utilizing even the stuff that we understand now. As such this limited knowledge would automatically limit our ability to take large scale advantage of any of this.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"We as humans so far have limited technological knowledge "
- as I encounter it,
we have plenty of Knowledge, "imagination", ingenuity,
but its always *Resource Limits* that prevent us from fullfilling our ambitions
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I am in the process of watching some UFO conference videos on Google videos involving Billy Meier in 2006. The video is about 4 hours long. It has opened my eyes even further. Apparently this Billy guy is Swiss and has been in contact with pan dimensional alien beings for many decades. These aliens supposedly can travel through time. They showed Billy some hidden information and some future predictions. In 1987 they predicted the 2001 September 11 terror attacks on the WTC.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
can't take any paranormal stuff seriously ... but I do like the nazi-ufo-antarctica story.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz First I searched >imf conspiracy< then clicked on related videos involving NWO conspiracy, then clicked on one of the Project Camelot videos about George Green who talked about all sorts of this alien stuff in connection with synthetic human beings.
It is not my plan to encourage others to suspend their beliefs, etc, but I still want to consider all possibilities without discounting anything that is said. George Green mentions Hitler's double and Antarctica and South America 1945.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz I just did a Google search of the following keywords:
contact 230 bush islam billy meier world trade centre
And it comes up with the cited predictions made two years later in 1989 where it states that terrorists will use commercial jets and fly them into the WTC, and that Bush and company will let it happen on purpose to trigger Iraq invasion.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Look at all of the guys from years ago from this video. All had seemingly good ideas and tried to do something.
No patent means No manufacturer.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"No patent means No manufacturer."
so crowd source it..
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz What the heck is that? And how has that ever worked in the past to put plug and play, packaged, black box products on the shelves of Wal*Mart?
Some of this stuff is really exotic and only economies of scale of mass production will lower the price of the end units so that a normal person could buy any of them.
Any kind of attempt to hand reproduce technology is expensive, error prone, problematic quality control, etc, rendering this suggestion as infeasible.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"Some of this stuff is really exotic and only economies of scale of mass production"
- if its FREE ENERGY, you'd just make your prototype and personally use the energy.. you wouldn't NEED to sell it. You can always synthesize what you need and barter with outside world.
Can you offer any retorts here ?
"mass production.." seems like excuses from scam artists.
"Free Energy" would overcome any production limit
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I prefer not to hand build my equipment due to my lack of craftsmanship, troubles locating components, lack of key know-how yet unpublished, lack of spare cash, risk that I won't be able to reproduce something without a lot of help.
Certain devices like Searl's need exotic magnetic materials fabricated to close tolerances. Some of these devices have been patented with intentionally vague descriptions of how to reproduce them--EV Gray motors, Stanley Meyer VIC and PLL.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Physics departments controlled by the elite must give patent office the green light for "your perpetual motion machine" -- won't happen.
Google video search >Boyd Bushman Lockheed<
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Bushman explains Searl and Hutchison are OK due to data and credible witnesses.
The Free Energy the race for zero point scratches the surface and explains some of the problems involved in explaining the physics to the patent office.
If Einstein was mostly correct, but not all, then ether / zero point physics makes all systems open to the zero point / ether. This means that so called perpetual motion machines based on zero point receive outside energy and are thus not perpetual.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Historically, one could say that energy was related to money only because those who developed the technology and harnessed it were able to send military forces to battle over oil and nuclear stuff because they became rich and politically powerful so that they could control governments to do these things.
They changed the education system and news media not to teach / discuss subject matter that reflected negatively on their aims. See >Griffin OR Monteith Norman Dodd B. Carroll Reece<
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
if you had your own energy, you would be free of the externally controlled systems.. you could bypass them.
thats why I maintain "energy=money".
you could synthesize oil or other precious raw materials and barter them. or make your own food indoors.. go and live somewhere otherwise inhospitable
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I lack time, know-how, skills, money to build stuff making the risk that the end product would not work be very high. I fear that this is the same for others or that people who could do this are more interested in TV shows, or updating their facebook pages or watching sports or playing video games because they are asleep still.
While the stuff you say may be possible, that is ideally the case, but reality can become a huge obstacle to achieving the end goal.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"They changed the education system and news media "
- i reject the idea of 'supressed science' - too difficult. too many inqisitive minds performing experiment, things can be independantly discovered, and any "lies" in the classroom would fall apart where they dont fit together.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz The speed of light is not a constant and varies with the medium this is how lens refraction works--this was simplified in textbooks in high school so that e=mc2 would be easier to teach. Conservation of momentum is not true as per the Boyd Bushman examples. There are all sorts of argued points in science today on places like Wikipedia. The rich tycoons who run mass media and write text books determine "truth" that is widely believed by the profane.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz I already explained that it is human nature to do exactly as is done on reality TV shows--form groups who conspire against their competition. The viewer is in on the scheming, but the rest of the competitors are not. Secrets are the basis of conspiracies. Trustworthy people can keep secrets.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Suppression can be the lack of funding or the large propensity of arm chair experts who come forward to pooh-pooh facts & reports of independent witnesses based solely upon their difficulty believing. This is exactly what Boyd Bushman warns about. BTW, you probably did not Google video search stuff to do with my Norman Dodd reference did you? He states specifically that teaching of history was specifically targeted by elites.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Several times congressmen have put into the record that corruption of the news media is evident and that it was planned and deliberate.
Usually one or more people can become rich if they trick the profane into believing something that is untrue so as to place them into unknowing voluntary servitude--paying too much for too little, or paying an unfair share of taxes, or being paid too low a wage for the work being done. It is a common trick.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Google video search >ufo tech fusion rocket youtube<
The teenager from the 1970s was smarter than Einstein and consulted with Stephen Hawkings.
Please comment here on that series of videos about the fusion rocket.
Were you taught in school that in the 1970s the AREA 51 scientists were trying to reverse engineer an alien fusion rocket propulsion system by having a teenager have a look at it after he had build his own fusion rocket and landed his rocket on Groom Lake?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz V. P. Kaznacheyev 1974 experiments on cellular "death transmission" through glass versus quartz.
Bearden theorizes that by phase conjugation the Russians were able to develop disease cures that reversed the effects of the cellular death of such diseases using transmission of disease photons through / into a plasma.
See >Bearden-AIDS-Biological-Warfare Scribd<
youtube.com/watch?v=Q6T54cpMt1E "A New Physics Kept Secret from the World"
Crowd source it?--Not probable=Why?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer - i dont deny that there are manipulative elites though. But they emerged precisely because we live in a finite world with competition for scarce resources.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Consider the Searl Effect Generator. It uses 2 levels of rings with 3 levels of roller magnets rolling / rotating at high speed. The motion of the magnetic fields causes a flow in vacuum energy particles as a vortex centered at the center of the smallest ring. The effects are that the temperature drops to near absolute zero, and that gravity and light are effected by the vacuum particle vortex. Also the Hutchison Effect happens to affect the localized space time and matter.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"Consider the Searl Effect Generator."
... how much energy in, how much energy out ?
if its over unity, can you connect the output to the input and become God ?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz You have the web, do a search for >john searl story torrent dvd<
You also need to video research fully something called the Nazi Bell that was a war decisive technology so secret that ALL the Nazi scientists working on it were killed to prevent the information being leaked.
Researcher Jim Marrs says that Nazis had a secret level on this higher than their atom and nuclear bomb development projects, and that the likelihood was high that Nazis already had nukes or a-bombs.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"the Nazi Bell "
i've read some of this... the UFO bases in antarctica ? :)
It might be true they had some secret high tech, after all the abomb from no abomb is pretty magical sounding ("crush a certain mineral and it explodes!").
But I think if ZPE had been harnessed, those who control it wouldn't bother with
the rest of us! they'd wipe us out and repopulate with their own offspring.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz The Nazi Bell supposedly uses some purple mercury compound possibly in a high velocity plasma vortex that produces antigravity effects, kills nearby living things exposed to the emitted field, and produces energy.
All these things are slightly similar to the Searl Effect Generator.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
elsewhere on youtube I did see some interesting speculation about spinning superfluid to relativisitic velocities (iron filings in mercury, supercooled), I have to admit this is intruiging.
I remain completely skeptical about FREE energy though, since if you had this you would become "God", able to synthesize elements etc. you wouldn't waste your time with the rest of humanity.. you'd build inpenetrable fortresses made of diamond and live how you want inside.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Dude--become god? Let's get real. There is such thing as cold fusion, but the process takes a long time to build up the heavy water, and then only certain documented elements get created. Some elements that are created using particle colliders are unstable--having short half-life. The rate of formation of these alchemy reactions is such that only small quantities of changed material would be done--hardly a gold making scheme to get rich. And lots of wasted heat.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution There are possible negative and positive health effects in the fields generated. Also, the pickup coils on the outermost diameter for the outer rotating magnets develop inconveniently high voltages like 1 to 3 million volts AC. If anchored to the floor/concrete, the metal hooks and chains holding the apparatus undergo temporary matter transformation while within the vacuum particle flux vortex flow so that many such SEG devices have been lost due to anti-gravity into space.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Google Boyd Bushman
He was the senior scientist at the top secret skunk works of Lockheed Martin. Though various interviews with him you can learn not to discount eyewitness testimonies to unusual physics phenomenon like many Rockefeller-funded university educated people tend to do who then post comments to the internet that these things are all fraud.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Consider the movie "The Matrix." Potentially any one of these arm chair critics people ARE AGENTS for the system--a system pulled down over your eyes to hide the truth from you--that you are a slave Neo.
Whereas the Rothschilds' children are born into wealth and do not have to work, most of the profane people must work and pay taxes. Taxes more and more go to pay interest on debt financed monetary system invented by the Rothschild banking system of the World Bank, IMF, etc.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Rothchilds and Rockefellers & other elite families control most of the world, have hidden their wealth, do not appear on any richest persons list, & pay virtually no taxes. 1970s during his confirmation hearings, nominated US Vice President candidate Nelson Rockefeller admitted that although he controlled / owned a large fraction of a billion dollars of corporations, and real estate that he paid no income tax because his wealth was hidden in 5000+ tax exempt foundations.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer A lot of posts...not a lot of relevant information to the one goal of this video...to show people what tech exists. Then we show how we can implement it all in a better way using the RBE system developed by TVP. All this money power crap means nothing is we, the people of the world, opt out of "their system". They absolutely need us to feed them and give them power. The moment we stop, the moment they fail, which is also the moment humanity thrives.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Sounds good, but what will motivate the guy on the street to cooperate in your system so that he contributes to the next targeted goal?
In the capitalist system, self-interest, self-betterment were the driving forces.
Communist system seemed missing these motivations and so had to be propped up by the puppet masters which I described.
In a mixed economy poor people on welfare were motivated to have children, while working poor not to have children--success of the lazy?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer When the "guy on the street" has an amazing life, excellent medical care, free access to advanced education, etc...his contribution will be him pursuing his passions, be it art, science, whatever. They will do what they love to do, do it well and with passion, and the world will be better for it.
Also, there is no "next targeted goal", but only one fluid and ever present goal...better oneself, better the system, help humanity. You can't teach selfishness and expect selflessness.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution To have this happen, there has to be a step forward for some reason, a set of initial changes set into motion from some stimulus, a path marked out that is apparent or clear that cannot be mistaken that people will see is where they should go or pursue, etc.
This all just does not happen by magic.
The Rockefellers have think tank groups. They plan the future. Foundations sponsor legislation to be drafted. Law makers signed on the bottom line. Presto stuff happens.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer Keep in mind we're a global group, and the USA is an irrelevant cog in the wheel thanks to its own self administered "stupidity" drip. lol. The USA will be the last to wake up, because "we" are the most blind due to our "prosperity". There are things going on around the world towards this new vision for humanity, and whether people like it or not, it's already in motion.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution -
the "global group" will collapse after peak oil, we're all going down.
future is starvation and war.
Its a lack of energy not an artefact of any social system.. nothing unusual about this fate, its scientifically observable throughout the biosphere.
population boom then bust.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"In the capitalist system, self-interest, self-betterment were the driving forces.
Communist system seemed missing these motivations "
- capitalism is better at allocating resources. I think communists wanted money to just be 'work-tokens' which fails to calculate the relative worth of labour, machines & resources. ( I know their long term ideal was to eradicate money as per Venus Project, and just like the VP would it collapsed before they could realize that)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz youtube.com/watch?v=ig4UQCCdyyM "How to find the truth"
youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwVCMfTXWE "how the mass media works"
youtube.com/watch?v=wXrei26q9qI "Suppressed Science - Inventing the Impossible"
By examining videos above, it should become clear that your schooling and mass media cannot be trusted to be inclusive/unbiased.
All the greatest inventors who tried to bring free-energy to mankind were discarded by media & science journals & industrialist tycoons of their time, or killed.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
"In a mixed economy poor people on welfare were motivated to have children, "
compromise solution:-
baby licence requires employment.
on welfare you are fed but banned from breeding.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz This would be fine if all things were equal. Trouble is there are artificial credit crunches made to happen on purpose, and similar boom and bust cycles planned by elites to make "order out of chaos."
Some critics claim that the elites want depopulation to very low levels and want to control those who remain. If you are too cleaver, you may not be controllable--and so they might prefer more service industry people than peers.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"..elites want depopulation ..and want to control those who remain"
- here's how I see it:-
Depopulation isn't negotiable - its inevitable because of Peak Oil. The whole human species has gone on the "boom-bust" curve. Oil WAS relatively speaking, "free energy" with EROI as high as 100 , when you compare it to other human activities.
Naturally there are people figuring out how to come out on top of the collapse.
I agree "they" want to eliminate Middle
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I found a source for the story about them planning on getting rid of the man leaving the meeting room. It is in the George Green Project Camelot video that I watched a couple of hours ago at a point in the second half of hour 1.
If the Joe Cell is not a hoax and can be made to work reliably, then I do not see a problem.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Google >Thomas Robert Malthus 1766- 1834<
This guy, living that long ago, was promoting the ideas of culling the human race because there was overpopulation back then.
The George Green / Project Camelot video states that aliens designed the ecosystem of the planet to only sustain 500 Million people to be in balance with nature. George is supposedly a NWO conspiracy participant and got his information from NWO members and supposedly aliens.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer - r.e. malthus, he will be proved spectacularly right.
fossil fuels defered his predictions. we've had exponential growth allowed while we can burn through the fuels.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Joe Cell technology is not hydrolysis nor hydrogen, but torsion fields known as Orgone Energy.
Check out Google videos docid=-6871958947684246583 byron new energy video of joe cell
8981526300164472184 1993-5 Joe Cell 2 hour video
933746304118058946 joe cell 3 stages by Alex Schiffer
-4299197541761034052# Joe Cell Horses Mouth and Joe FastForward
-296245531354816597# Joes Cell Tractor 3
7785149275674305332# Joe Cell - Running an Engine
-2878952337946217454 Suzuki
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz These ideas of overpopulation have been propagated by groups of elite ever since Malthus. Because the Rockefeller sponsored General Education Board and Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Education, these elites have been influencing what is taught in schools since the late 1800s.
Earth may be able to support more people than we have now, but not if man kind continues to behave the way that it has done.
Google >"Club of Rome" population eco-fascist<
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
>>"Google >"Club of Rome" population eco-fascist<"
:)
i generally agree with the malthusian mindset, but of course we musn't allow anyone to rise to power over "pre-emptive" population reduction. it should be down to us to do 1CP for ourselves.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Too late... Separate lines for Google video keyword searches as follows.
James Collier votescam the stealing of America
HBO Bev Harris Hacking Democracy
"Invisible ballots"
freeman on the land standing in court world-bankruptcy Adrian Charters Dominic Vince
If you watch these related videos, you will see that we or our ancestors already let that cat out of the bag, and we have been under the total control of the world money powers for a very long time.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz One critic remarked that elite genocidal guys even want to depopulate one another.
The example cited was that at the end of one of their meetings, one guy leaves, and the remaining guys are already plotting getting rid of the guy who just left the room.
oldspammer 1 year ago
GOOD JOB!!!
bang187 1 year ago
I thoroughly enjoyed the video series. Thanks for your contributions to humanity Douglas.
gasto5 1 year ago
Excellent video! Please make an Addendum!
sbtornado 1 year ago
mind blowing
TheHappydead 1 year ago
Looked into the da vinci surgical system a little over a year ago when looking for a solution to a suspected Mitral Valve problem. Tipped off by surgical assistant for a local surgeon, she had the procedure done and said it made her feel like a new person. The estimated cost was somewhere between $100,000 to $150,000 in western North Carolina with no chest cracking and no valve replacement.
The overall prognosis for mankind right now looks pretty dismal; although, I can relate to the Awakening.
spiritech999 1 year ago
@spiritech999 Agreed, but we do have the ability change the prognosis. Time to dump fatalistic thinking and become the masters of our own destiny. :)
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution "Masters of our own destiny"..... Paolo Soleri's The Omega Seed; or Dane Rudhyar's Fire Out Of The Stone, and The Planetarization of Consciousness.
spiritech999 1 year ago
@spiritech999 Yep, Masters of the Universe...
spiritech999 1 year ago
@spiritech999 Although denounced as a fraud, money hungry guy, some of what Keven Trudeau has said is true.
He suffered an actual confirmed, inoperable Mitral Valve defect, and found alternative treatments.
By using P2P you can find the audio set of his initial book about Cures that They Don't Want You to Know About (or similar such name). I listened to a bunch of it years ago. Later, over numerous years, more and more of his claims were confirmed. (Not all of them mind you, but some.)
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer Trudeau got implanted with animal tissue to fix the problem somehow.
Seems certain animal's tissues can be used for "organ" donations.
In a mainstream TV news show from before I had ever heard of Trudeau, I even saw some people with diabetes treated with animal tissue implants. Lots of the nay sayers are idiots about medical science and try to dissuade patients from investigating medical procedures that are routinely, successfully performed outside the medical mafia's jurisdiction.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer The words that Trudeau used were Mitral Valve Prolapse (or words sounding similar).
oldspammer 1 year ago
This is great! I will share this.
pianomist 1 year ago
No one can say that the Venus project isn't possible, except those that are unaware.
rickdelagarza 1 year ago
anyone looked at "cosmic accounting" site, interesting concept, is this the answer?
Energy-economics-accounting (in the wholistic form that Cosmic Accounting is) was first put forward by Buckminster Fuller (1905 - 1983).
bajjmo19 1 year ago
@bajjmo19 Basically the Technocracy system. My issue with it is that energy is the scarce variable. If energy is abundant for all ppl (and it can be), then any currency based on energy has no real value, because the basis itself is abundant.
Any currency, no matter the basis, assumes scarcity of something for trade. In the RBE, everything is abundant, recycled, reused and available for all without the need for trade or barter, thus why no currency is needed. Can't trade that which is abundant.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@bajjmo19 Note that this wasn't possible 30 years ago. We really couldn't create abundance for everything until recently, which is why every idea by anyone in the past doesn't match up with current capability. It's all about current capability, not ideas from 50 years ago.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 2
No ASIMO? I thought I would see him in this vid. Heres a link.
watch?v=P9ByGQGiVMg - ASIMOs new artificial intelligence. (ASIMO is learning!)
herpiethelovebug 1 year ago
@herpiethelovebug Well, I couldn't think of everything when I made this. lol. I even forgot to mention Contour Crafting, and I know all about that system for building homes and buildings. Still, ASIMO is cool, as is MIT's Nexi robot (the one who speaks with facial expression).
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution We don't need these technologies for cancer, what we need is legalization of THC. THC, directly injected into a tumor will halt it's growth and make it destroy itself, look it up! :)
Hemp is one of the best medicines on the planet.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies And Hemp is good for clothing, making plastics, ropes, and who knows what other textiles. I never focus on the smoking crap, because it does really kill brain cells and isn't exactly "healthy" in large doses, but neither is alcohol. We all know why Pot is illegal, because it's so easy to grow and really can't be taxed or regulated by the govt. in Corp form or as an institution. So if they can't profit from it, they make it illegal and profit off the crime aspect.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Exactly, but what I'm saying is that if it were used as a medicine for cancer, we wouldn't need artificial limbs and whatnot. You don't have to smoke it, you can make an oil with it and rub it on skin cancer and it will destroy it in a short period of time.
Oh, and the only "brain damage" study I have seen was one where they stuffed the lungs of monkeys so much that they couldn't breathe. It was lack of oxygen that killed their brain cells, not the THC.
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies What you say is correct. Google rhesus monkeys smoke marijuana study heath asphyxiation carbon monoxide
Within the last 5 months I heard media propaganda about something: Google marijuana schizophrenia myth
I have come to realize that if the Rockefeller corporate pharmaceutical industry does not control it, research grant money is provided to produce large numbers of highly questionable studies that posit links to all kinds of negative things about a competing treatment or cure.
oldspammer 1 year ago