AMD Shows First OpenCL-Based Game Physics: Havok Cloth™

[webDes33]

3 years later it's not used...

[RainbowRoan]

nVidia always say this about their new release : 'it's the fastest graphics card in the world and always will be.' They even said that with the 9600gt.

[halfhappy117]

WOW soooo many ATI fanboys trollin, and all u people sayin nvidia cant oc, well my gtx 460 is stock 700mhz and im gettin 910 mhz stable, at max temp of 58 deg with air cooling, so quit hatin!!

[terorvlad]

I really Really support ATI for not beeing Greedy like the "green team". Examples of greediness :

-3D glasses Nvidia only

-Physx only on Nvidia

-Huge ass prices

-Optimizing games for themself (not thinking that most ppl have ATI cuz maybe they don't want to sell their house to buy a fermi)

-"We've got the fastest single-gpu and we always will" Duhh, but we got the fastest video card.

[talibala]

@terorvlad Actually ATI rejected the Nvidia's offer for physX.

Most people have got an Nvidia card too. GTX 580 is the fastest card on the planet in the time this was written.

I own a 4870HD, for your info... Fanboy.

[terorvlad]

@talibala You forgot about 5970. And after a pool made on 3dgameman forums , around 60 % ppl have ati, 37% nvidia. And how do you call Nvidia not allowing physx with a nvidia and ati card in the same pc ? I am supporting ATI because as I said : If someone wants to play a game at max settings, by choosing ati he doesn't need to sell his house to get the money. Nvidia is just like Mac: 5% more performance, 140% higher price. We'll see how things are after Ati and intel working on Havok engine.

[talibala]

@terorvlad I trust more Steam surveys, which say 59.11% own an Nvidia card, 32.98% owns an AMD/ATI card, Intel 6,22% and Other 1,69%. Right now the single PCI lane card is AMD radeon 6990 but it is dual GPU card and beats the GTX 590 easily. However GTX 580 is still the fastest one GPU card and the fastest dual card setup.

[terorvlad]

@talibala that's because not everyone has steam... You don't need it to browse the internet, work in 3dmax etc.. and since most pleople don't game, they buy the cheaper card or the fastest, which at the moment is ATI. But liking a company or not is a personal matter. I personaly prefer ATI for the cheap prices and good performace because here in Romania prices are 25% higher than U.S. or anywhere else. I am thinking to which to Nvidia when a decently priced product will come out...

[Saint924]

I've built many computers within the past 12 years. Using both competitors. And honestly Nvidia has some good performance no doubt about that... but you spend so much on there cards and they overheat like mad even with fantastic cooling and die out earlyer then ATI. And intel... no doubt that there chips are the lead.. but you spend so much money on them!... AMD is half price to close enough performance and you can overclock cause they stay so damn cool. If you have the cash ok but if not AMD.

[trecool9992]

I don't know what everybody's cracking on NVidia for. My oldest PC runs on an Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz, Windows XP x86 and an Nvidia 6800. Second oldest is an old AMD Athlon x2 4200 2.2GHz running Windows 7 x64 with an NVidia 6200 Turbocache. And my newest is an AMD Phenom x4 2.2GHz with Windows 7 x64 and an NVidia GTX 260.

They all work brilliantly for me.

[GubKnocker]

@trecool9992 I think its just based on preference on each company. Each side has fanboys. I have an Nvidia card right now, and am upgrading and so I am going to try out a Radeon.

[cellphonelightsaber]

CRAZY ASS TEXTILE PHYSICS....

[Q3o5]

INZANE!!

[linadragon]

For those arguing in any context really get over it, This will be on both Nvidia and ATI hardware so it wont make any real difference. ATI just got the first demo with havok out but OpenCL itself is open standards.

[lakatosandre]

just you need one ati radeon 5970 card>>

[ryta1203]

Sadly, I live in a world where money matters. The term "best" is relative and to me it means the most bang for my buck, which is AMD/ATI hands down (especially now since the 5870 is out and the Phenom IIs OC like mad).

[RyanPridgeon]

Right on. I just bought my first PC in 3 years - 4890 with a Phenom 2. My god I got good bang for my buck.

[illmagnified]

thats crazy!

[zeealpal]

2 4890's in XFIRE (which actually works unlike SLI) cheaper and faster than GTX295 ATI FTW!!!

[humanitysonlyhope]

They've been talking about this Havok phisics engine forever don't they realize the longer nVidia's Physx is the only mass used phisics engine out there the harder it will be for them to find people that want to develope for them. I guess I should learn to expect this kind of stupidity from AMD-ATI, they really are the poor man's grapics cards. All ati fanboyz have to say is ATI delivers more value for money but they need to realize that all us entusiasts care about it the performance.

[theswordpro]

What you need to realize is that the enthusiast market is the minority in both card sales and profits and clearly ATI are not interested in bleeding money for the high end like Nvidia has this gen.

Given ATI have accumulated 53% of the discrete card market share during 2009 I don't see any problem getting devs on board for physics in the near future.

[humanitysonlyhope]

Ok, it is true that AMD+ATI delivers more power for the price but that isn't what I am concerned with. I am saying that Intel+nVidia is makes faster more powerful stuff period.

[illmagnified]

hey Humanitysonlyhope- I currently have an Intel Core 2 Quad 3.6GHZ, and Dual EVGA 8800GT SuperClocked 700/1800/2200 and before that I had an AMD Athlon FX-53 with an ATI X850XT P.E.- My point is, just 2 gens ago- AMD was King of the hill for like a 10 year period with its Athlon Series. Everything Intel threw at the Athlon's AMD would just release a faster chip. The FX series destroyed Intel EE's- Realize your close minded approach to things kind of makes you look ignorant in my opinion.

[booty2k6]

Intel+nVidia make the best for now, but AMD/ATi will make better eventually as has alwasy been the case in the industry

[cloud8521]

ati has the best now, and Nvidia never made physx, they bought it out from the real creators

[jufeds]

Its the way of these Hardware guys and software Devs to steal cheat lie buy and aquire and to list false misleading specs, all of the companys are guilty of it but lately Nvidia in the last few years has the worst Track record over everything Mobo Manfacturers pulling the chipsets 99% of laptop manfacturers suing them over dodgey Video chips and HSF cracking plus the lying to their investors about the actual heat problems lying about the specs of the 8000 series gen 1 to investors

[cloud8521]

not to mention the same could be said for their video cards, Nvida cards had cracks in almost all their cards causing their life to be shortened so much they became useless unless you put then in an oven for 8 minutes to let the cracks melt together

[IIJazzyII]

Die.

[theswordpro]

Nvidias Physx is only used a little more than a dozen games, it really never took off. At a time when devs are struggling with three platforms for most AAA titles its a big ask to code for proprietary implementations.

[Brutuzthegtamaster]

Are you stupid? Havok is used in nearly EVERY game, PhysX is barely used at all, this is an upgrade to Havok...

And I'm not an ATI fanboy, I'm on my ASUS G50VT-X5 with a GeForce 9800M GS overclocked inside, that's hardly an ATI Graphics Card?

[Konfleik]

I'm sorry but you have poor arguments, seriously.

[HWGuyEG]

lol hick

[HWGuyEG]

AMD's quarterly info.

Look at income and expenditures.

AMD = in trouble

ATi = not in trouble, but a costly acquisition that isn't pumping enough cash to put the whole corp in green.

If AMD went broke it'd be a classic subsidiary schism... the host sinks and gets liquidated, the good assets(ATi) would become independent... or bought out by someone else.

[Napalmdest54]

ATi and Nvidia take turns at being the best. Nvidia was amazing with their 8xxx series, but a fail with their 9xxx series. Their 2xx series is OK.

Also to note, ATi mobility versions of the desktop parts actually perform the same, to the desktop 3850 and the mobile 3850 have the same performance. While the Nvidia mobile series are a FAIL, they even had to pay millions for their failed mobile GPUs.

[HWGuyEG]

ATi has been doing well lately, they've been raking in more cash than their burning on operating.

The reason why AMD is loosing big money from ATi is because they're still paying the bills from buying ATi. They're paying off a huge debt and they're burning off their cash reserve.

If AMD ran out of money they'd sink and be bought out, but ATi would likely jsut break off and become independent again... their HQ in Markham will need to be repainted from green back to red...

[HWGuyEG]

herp derp; acquisition costs

ATi as a separate entity is doing very well... console sales actually are doing a big part since they're in the 360(GPU/NB/SB) and Wii(GPU).

[Napalmdest54]

Yes, but Directx 11 will be available once Windows 7 is released. Also Directx11 will work on vista too. So the wait is not long. ATi will probably be the first with Directx 11 cards.

[HWGuyEG]

ATi is doing so well they're keeping AMD afloat.

[MasterDOOM2010]

AMD - ATI Radeon Best Choice and Rullz

[BinaryReader]

you suck for thinking this is Havok

[yourma2000]

this is quite impressive, it's better than watching water splash around in PhysX, the engine must be really complex in order to calculate the creasing and folding of the cloth

[Napalmdest54]

We must not forget that DirectX 11 will also support compute shaders.

DirectX 11 and OpenCL will end PhysX for sure.

[Dark4Vendetta]

Huh? AMD is picking up on OpenCL technology also? I thought Apple was the only ones using this, I first heard about OpenCL when Snow Leopard was anounced at a WWDC event.

[koldfish]

OpenCL is multiplatform like OpenGL is not limited to Apple despite their PR efforts.

[bluebox2325]

Despite what PR efforts? They developed it, they proposed the standard to the Khronos Group along with AMD, Intel, and nVidia, and they should get the kudos for it that they deserve. OpenCL may finally be what unseats DirectX from game developer's toolkit. Otimized GL will outperform DirectX today; imagine what GL+CL will offer (besides multiple platform targets, which DX does not offer).

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[bluebox2325]

From Apple's OpenCL white paper:

While initially developing OpenCL,it became clear to Apple that the technology offered an opportunity for the industry to work together to define a standard for parallel programming. With the support of AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA, Apple proposed OpenCL to the Khronos Group consortium as the basis for a new standard.

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[bluebox2325]

... Demonstrating the strength of the proposal, OpenCL was expanded to include digital signal processors (DSPs) and other specialized processor architectures. It was ratified as an open, royalty-free standard in December 2008.

khronos . org / opencl

[IMattNovakI]

You guys needa learn stuff its not meant to look different, OpenCL is much better based than some crap Cuda or Physx, OpenCL is a very wide used base. Much better than having some specific api that only works on nvidia, wtg AMD!

[HongKongKanto]

amd when the hell you rip finnaly off?

[skeewhiff]

What does this mean for someone working in 3DS max? The havok previews are painfully slow. And I have a 1gb professional ATI video card and dual quad cores.

[masterpiraka]

I thought that was a CPU thing as well as graphics... :/

[helldrell666]

DAAMIT FTW.

[dunlrock]

NSHITIA FTW.

Fuck you nGREEDia nvidiot!!

[LiquidFriction]

Sweet, long wait to see ATI doing this. Maybe buying an ATI will be worth the while after all hehe

[czdesigns]

wow! Good Job ATI/AMD!!!

(please dont raise your prices :D)

[DeadFredVideo]

I think we can all sit happy in the knowledge that AMD won't do an NVIDIA :D

Doing an NVIDIA:

Re-releasing the same old cards under a new name just to market the "benefits" of the oh so wonderfully proprietary CUDA/PhysX, raising prices, being all round evil, not admitting to the widespread faults with 8600m graphics cards in various Apple/DELL/HP laptops and having the cheek to suggest the customers but a new laptop, the list goes on :P

[pk4490]

Don't get me wrong, I love AMD/ATI BUT...That's kind of what they did with the HD 4890 though the price does differ them from Nvidia

[dunlrock]

NVIDIA = nSHITia!!!! Fucking nGREEDia nvIDIOTs!!!

[WeEatBrainz]

too bad this cloth physics looks exactly like nvidias Physx in mirrors edge

[aussiebear22]

How else is physics supposed to look like?

[WeEatBrainz]

they arent but i mean this is not revolutionary any more...

nvidia did it first and just because people made the mistake of getting amd doesnt mean its better...

more games use Physx

meaning more games u dont get the cloth physics for...

[zombie112]

nvidia didn't actually do it first, nvidia just bought out ageia and used physx. they technically didn't do it themselves. now im not saying amd did either, but still. just making that a point. and not too many games use physx, but more are staritng to

[WeEatBrainz]

Mhm

[masterpiraka]

....because it's red? lol.

[masterpiraka]

Wow....trying to start a fight over.....Computer hardware?

What the fuck?

[NorthwindKazeTora]

ATI/AMD FTW!!!

[TheAssailant6661]

Now just release some drivers to allow us to use Stream processing in Pinnacle Studio and you're all set. Oh yeah, a card that plays Crysis at max w/ AA max would be nice too

[MasterDOOM2010]

Nice Video Great Job Bravooo

AMD - ATI Radeon Best Choice

[dacooter]

good ati get moving

[kietla92]

first comment nice vid