At Turkish border, Armenian villagers eager for trade

[The06leopar06]

FUCK armenıa and france I LOVE YOU TURKEY

[deeptuber109]

Very good. I appreciate that. Stay in your country and do something for Armenia. and take that 110.000 illegal Armenian back to your country. . as they keep begging for bread and jobs.

"Begging" .. you're right. certainly you know this word and familiar with it. We Turks do not live that way.

[deeptuber109]

Use the other borders with Georgia and Iran. Turkey is closed ..for good.

Why don't you go to Iran to work illegally instead of coming to Turkey and spoiling our labor market?

Aren't you ashamed of insulting Turks with genocide lie while opening your hands in the streets, bagging money and jobs from Turks as well?

[ArmoWings]

@deeptuber109 Only some Armenians in Armenia living at the border support the border opening. Most Armenians don't support opening the border and neither do I. The genocide claim is not a lie, it has been proved and accepted by well-known historians and more than 40 countries recognize the killing of 1915 as genocide. "bagging money and jobs from Turks as well?"...wtf is "bagging"? Don't you mean "begging"?

[ArmoWings]

You need something to do. But commenting back on something that was posted 8 months ago isn't it....

[ivandivandakor]

if they are eager to leave the azerbaycan soil then they can eager for trade with Türkiye.

[TurkmenBazooka61]

armenia = shit ; turkey = kings

[User169960]

GO TO THE UNDERWORLD TURKISH!!!!!!!!

[SovieTiko310]

wtf is wrong with you people. THE BORDER WILL REMAIN CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!

[ardaeksi]

i dont wanna see poor armenians begging on Turkish streets..dont open the borders !!! that would ruin the appereance

[IWILLBETHEDREAMOFALL]

Thank you for posting ARF.

[Hayaserforeveer]

open borders OPEN IT NOW LET ARMENIA BREATH ONCE AGAIN DON'T ALLOW GOR GOR SPYURKS TO DESTROY HAYASTAN DON'T ALLOW THOSE TRAITORS IN AMERIKA/CANADA/EUROPE TO PISS ON HAYASTAN SERJ DID GOOD, HE SIGNED PROTOCOLS SOON BORDERS WILL OPEN AND TRADING SHALL BEGIN ONCE AGAIN AND ARMENIA SHALL BREATH ONCE MORE I DONT GIVE SHIT ABOUT GENOCIDE MY HOMELAND COMES 1ST NOT GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE

[celall58g]

the border isnt going to open..

why should we have peace with armenia.. we dont need u ,, just get the fuck out of our way

[ArmoWings]

no one wants to open borders w/u fuckers, looks like turkey wants it more than armenians do...turks aren't even protesting

[gearmaster101]

hahahahahahahaha ''the border isnt going to open'' wel can you explain it because its open now, see that you just talk bulshit same thing with the rest of the things you tell, like the genocide hahahah

[celall58g]

no it isnt open... you watch news??

they signed the normalising of the relations.. but 1 day after that,, our president said on television,, the border will not open until armenia leave karabagh

the genocide didnt happen,

if armenia sure that it happend

why did they refused to send scientists and researchers ??

[daderone]

why was the border closed to begin with or kept closed?

[samin62]

a history of 100 years lol.

[daderone]

can you be more specific? thats obviously pretty vague

[samin62]

sure, it all started back in WW1, Ottoman empire was in war with Russian Empire and Armenia was siding with russians. Supposedly Armenians invaded turkey's villages and massacred muslim and turkey responded back with its army. A lot of lives were lost and some say the number are over-exaggerated. It became known as the armenian genocide.

That is the point of dispute. Also 1 and a half decades ago, Turkey supported Azzerbaijan who was in war with armenia. so Border were closed for 15 years.

[ArmoWings]

Armenians DID NOT kill any turks or muslims, we did NOT have any weapons and on top of that we were lower class in the Ottoman empire, get the facts right buddy.

[samin62]

hence i said, "supposedly" and "some people" say the number are over-exaggerated. chill. i am still looking into this and keeping an unbiased view.

[celall58g]

u was no lower class,, u was the highest class from the other christians... even the sultans closest man was an armenian.. lot of armenians had high positions..

u had a lot of weapons from russia my friend

dont forget the tashnaks

u killed 2 milion turks..,, lot of armenians have agreed with that,, u have hit us in the back

[ArmoWings]

LMAO, yea like several Armenians had good positions in the Ottoman gov't, but I would say 95% were lower class if not more and Russians have not supplied any weapons to armenia...and the dashnaks which you spelled wrong were a very small gorup of Armenian rebels who were brave anought to take up revenge for the butchering of their own families and their people...there is no possible way that Dashnaks killed 2 million Turks,you need a fucked up army to do that job (Ottomans), go back to the books

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings if you want us to accept the 1915 events,you should accept what you did either.In total 500.000 muslims(turks&kurds) were murdered by armenian gangs.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates @mreuphrates 500,000 ottomans killed by Armenians?? No way...Armenians were poor and weren't armed (they were a minority with little rights). I don't know where you're getting your facts from but they're incorrect. If you got your facts from brainwashing sites such as the historyoftruth or other nationalistic turkish sources then I recommend you do research on other sites. The Turkish govt also runs a campaign that is aimed at distorting the truth...so I don't really blame you.

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings I'm from ığdır (Իգդիր) which was a part of Erivan Governorate of Russian Empire.After 1915 events and russian army was retreated,armenian gangs aimed the turks.They buried,burned and impaled the people.

These were things i read from sources and listened to the witnesses

There is also the story of my family;

My grandma's grandparents were turkish residents of yerevan and they were murdered.After they died,my orphan grand grandma passed the river araxes alone and came to turkey.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates Yea that still doesn't mean 500,000 Turks were killed...that number that you said in your previous comment is very exaggerated. You know that the Turkish Gov't killed Turks right?...their own people along with Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, and Assyrians. I think your're misunderstood about who killed who. That incident that took place involving your family was probably a revenge killing for the Armenian genocide. Which sources and which witnesses?

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings

-the number comes from state archives and told by yusuf halacoglu.Also there is a memory of kazim karabekir pasha /watch?v=G2FFYTf-3ho

-It was ottoman government(especially talat pasha),not turkish(turkish government was established in 20th april 1920).

-Kurds were not innocent.They also killed diyarbakir armenians and non-muslim kurds( search hamidiye cavalry in google)

-We were not even ottoman,we were just ethnic turks.Armenian gangs aimed us because we were just turks.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates

1.) When I say Turkish gov't I mean the Ottoman Turkish gov't...

2.) The Ottoman Turks burned most of the evidence of the atrocities after the genocide took place.

3.) I did some research on Yusuf Halacoglu...Wikipedia says that "He is one of the well-known scientists, who made up false stories regarding the Armenian genocide by the help of the Turkish government" ...why would you use his figures on the Amrneian Genocide? lol...at least do some research before you post.

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings agreed on first and second sentences but i have to disagree on the third one.

No matter what he believes in,halacoglu is one of the most knowledgable historians in turkey.He had to quit his chair in turkish history association just because he told the truth.

He said that the most of the alevi kurdish people in dersim area are of armenian origin who converted into islam to survive the 1915 events.

Many people protested him then.But now,hidden armenians are free to expose their id.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates

1.) More like a deceptive historian...he knows his facts but he distorts the truth in favor of the Turkish side. His figures for the Genocide are considerably lower than any other historian's estimates. Historians from all over the world have acknowledged the Armenian Genocide took place.

2.) C'mon...I even know Turks who ADMITTED to the Armenian Genocide that took 1.5 million Armenian lives. Taner Akcam is a famous example.

3.) Bones can still be found to this day. (i.e. Syria)

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings 1-)my point was that halacoglu opened a door by telling the truth about hidden armenians.

Also,there are non-turkish historians who defends the turkish claim like justin mccarthy.

2-) Numbers starts from 300.000 to 1.5 million.Naturally,armenians take the highest number to make an advantage in politics.There are a lot of turks defending armenian claim,it is not new.

I wonder if there is any armenian defending the turkish claim?

3-)You can find the bones of turks in hakmehmet too.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates 1.)

1.) Problem is that he's deceptive which I tried to tell you in my previous posts. So therefore, whatever he says regarding the Armenian genocide is NOT truthful. He also is bribed by the Turkish gov't to say whatever the Turks want to hear.

2.) Same applies with McCarthy. McCarthy estimated the total number of Armenians living in Ottoman Turkey and he came up with about half of what all the other historians were saying...he was criticized.

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings yeah armenian defenders are honest but turk defenders are bribed...is that what you realy think?

beyazgazete(.) com/ video /2010 /03 /09/ sevan-nisanyan-in-bozuldugu-an­(.) html

this link contains a conversation between halacoglu and nisanyan.I can translate it for you but the character limit is stopping me.I believe a bolsohay can translate it for you or I can send the translation via special message.

Also state archives are clear about the numbers,trust me.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates 3.) Numbers start from 1.0 million-1.5 million killed excluding the Adana and Hamidian massacres...300,000 that you're getting from is the number of Armenian deaths during the Hamidian massacre.

4.) There aren't Armenians defending Turkish claims because unlike Armenian claims, the Turkish claims are fabricated lies...what more can I tell ya. No one's going to prove to the world that 500,000 Turks died when there are no facts to support your points.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates The whole definition of "genocide", created by Rafael Lempkin, was made to describe the killings of Armenians in the Ottoman empire...Hitler killed the Jews and was quoted saying, "Who after all remembers the killings of the Armenians?" You can't disprove these points. You have been trying to disprove my points without any credible facts. You have to do some research on this topic from NON-Turkish sites and form your own opinion on what happened.

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates Someone earlier in the comments said 2 million turks were killed by Armenians....now you're saying it's 500,000...what are the facts? Looks like the Turkish position doesn't have any. All are fabricated lies passed down from generation to generation to hide the lies from the public. Turks are embarrassed of their past and don't want to admit anything in fear of losing their lands that was in 1915 considered Armenian.

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings some of you say 1.5 , some of you say 2 millions... how about that?

[ArmoWings]

@mreuphrates Well it's because you aren't very knowledgable on this subject. 1.5 million Armenians have died during the genocide. When they say 2 million...they mean 2 million were affected (because about 500,000 Armenians survived). Nearly 50% of the Armenian population was reportedly eliminated by the mostly the Ottoman Turks (Kurds were also involved).

[mreuphrates]

@ArmoWings really? then who killed my grandma's father,birds or cows?(my grandma and his family immigrated from yerevan to ığdır)

[TurkmenBazooka61]

@ArmoWings lies hahaha you killed many people , you killed kurds and turks trabzon,sivas,kars

[ArmoWings]

@TurkmenBazooka61 check the history books...history books outside of turkey...that is since turks literally rewrote their own history so that they could wipe out any traces of genocide.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Get over it .. no gonocide END of discussion there are many historians who agree with me .. stop talking about Taner ackam the not historian, sociolog Turk hating Kurd. Or the "Genocide Scholars" who do not exist but is a group funded by the Armenian government and diaspora. Keep dreaming Turkey will NEVER bow down to false accusations. Dashnaks killed over a million Kurds, Turks and Other muslims in Anatolia especially in the east near Van. Armenians got deported for being traitors

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Thanks for replying to my comment with a bunch of BS lies..I didn't mention Taner Ackam and there are geniune historians who have accepted the events of 1915 as genocide. The historians that refuse or just don't "see it" are ones funded by the rich turkish govt. The geniune scholars/historians that have accepted the events of 1915 as genocide aren't funded by anyone, do you actually think the Armenian govt has money and even really cares? The Armenian govt KNOWS there was a genocide

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r "Dashnaks killed over a million Kurds, Turks and Other muslims in Anatolia especially in the east near Van"...pulling this out of your ass? Dashnaks didn't have the monetary power or people to carry this out...at least we now know someone has been reading the wrongs books hahahaha

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Dashnaks had a lot of manpower and the support of the Russian army. The Russians used them so their invasion would be easy. The Dashnak got weapons, funding, clothing, etc from the Russians. The Dashnaks where better equiped then most Turkish soldiers. The fact is that our soldiers at the frontlines did not have food, water or even clothing they had old weapons and a ammo shortage. There is a picture of a Turkish officer who wears clothing made out of a tent.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r can you provide me with some sources?...preferably ones not from the historyoftruth (dot) com....

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings I don't even know that site. Which of my arguments do you want prove for? I can give proof/factual evidence for nearly everything .. can you? From now on I'll try to put a source with all my arguments, I advice you to do the same. Dashnak was well armed by the Russians and massacred many villages with those arms. We still find massgraves filled with Turkish children and woman there are about 600 massgraves you can visit in Turkey whom are all Turkish and Kurdish Ottomans.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings The worst part is the fact that those massgraves are filled with children and woman and elders .. there are almost no young men who could have defended the since all young men where fighting at the fronts. (at the end of 1910 all boys over 45 kilo had to join the army.. so you can imagine. (source: Ottoman archives) The massgrave that was found recently even countained a baby with his skull smashed in by a blunt axe. Where are the Armenian massgraves? 1.5 million vanished?

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings " All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"

Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun."

[izaak1211]

@3choBlast3r Dont waste your time its like talking to a brick wall i wish the genocide was true god knows they deserved it

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings That dashnaks killed and tried to ethnically cleanse Anatolia is a widely known fact .. Even most Armenians know that. The fact is that the Dashnaks where kiling, pillaging, raping, massacring since 1840/60 it's a god damn miracle the Ottomans did not deport the Armenians earlier. And I never said you mentioned Taner Akcam I destroyed the arguments before you even could start about it because I'm tired of Armenians with their non sense arguments.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r "That dashnaks killed and tried to ethnically cleanse Anatolia is a widely known fact ..Even most Armenians know that." ...I've never heard of such a thing..maybe because it has it ever happened in history? "The fact is that the Dashnaks where kiling, pillaging, raping, massacring since 1840/60"...give me some sources cause this is again false. And yes you did mention Akcam several replies ago, "stop talking about Taner ackam the not historian, sociolog Turk hating Kurd"....

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings The Armenian government may be poor. But it's diaspora in France and the USA is spending most of their money on groups like the "International Genocide Scholars" which they also set up them selves and many more propaganda sites. IF Armenia and Armenians are 100% sure that there was a genocide .. why not go to international court like normal countries do ... why try to prove your false history with propaganda and lobby groups ..? The Armenian government knows it will lose.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r You have some of your facts wrong...the "International Genocide Scholars" was not founded or set up by Armenians and  Armenians don't "spend most of their money" on it because they have already proved that the killing of Armenians of 1915 is genocide. Armenians lost everything so it is sad that most Armenians can't go to courts and sue Turkey..but guess what...the Armenians that DO have evidence and papers of their properties ARE going to American courts to sue the Turkish Govt

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings lol .. I meant the governement .. people don't go to international court for stuff like that, governments are supposed to. And good luck .. how much authority does the American legal system have in Turkey? Let me tell you .."0.0". No it is not proven... if you can prove it we will say sorry.. and proving something does not happen trough lobbygroups etc. it happens with many historians and scholars debating etc sharing and looking at the evidence and facts.

[3choBlast3r]

@3choBlast3r "I have it from absolute first-hand information that the

Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Muslim) villages

that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages

with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the

village and often burn the village."

Admiral Mark Bristol, Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32: Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings "I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth."

A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r watch this video from RT and look how pathetic the Turkish arguments are.....may I remind you that the one debating for the Armenian side is not Armenian...he's an ACTUAL well-known historian.

youtube (dot) com/watch?v=5xfrb_sCzDs

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings

1.

"When we arrived at Zeve, the village couldn't be passed through because of its stench. It was as if the bones in our noses would fall off... There were bodies everywhere. We saw a weird scene on the threshold of one house: they had filled the house with Muslims and burned it, and so many people had been burnt that the fat that had oozed from under the threshold had turned back into the trench in front of the door.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings

2.

That is, it was as if the river of fat had risen and later receded. The fat was still fresh. The entire village had been destroyed and was in this situation. I saw this with my own eyes, and I'll never forget it. We heard that they did the same thing to the Muslims on Carpanak Island. The Armenians told me about the latter; I did not see it for myself.”

Haci Osman Gemicioglu, an Armenian-Turk (having converted to Islam) who eyewitnessed the 1915 Zeve massacre

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings "Only 1,500 Turks remain in Van"

The Gochnag, an Armenian newspaper published in the United States, May 24,1915 ...

Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of

1914-15-16

Kapriel Serope Papazian, Boston Baker Press, 1934, pg. 38

[3choBlast3r]

We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work.

Ohanus Appressian,Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings And I can go on for hours like this, but my friends are waiting. I'm not saying where angels. I'm saying you weren't Angels either. Look at history from both sides .. As you can see most of my sources etc are not Turkish and have no benefit of talking good or for the Turks. If Armenia TRULY believed in the Genocide it would go to court ... if Armenia TRULY believed in the Genocide they would have accepted a Erdogans proposal to let a coalition of historians research 1915.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Thank you for your lengthy reply, one problem though, the quotes you provided were all fabricated..according to many sites including this one:

hyeforum (dot) com / index (dot) php?showtopic=9618

They discussed this "novel" 5 yrs ago that these quotes are not accurate. I'm not sure where you even obtained this "book" or which site you went...maybe were you copying and pasting from the website tallarmeniantale?

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Are you seriously trying to prove these quotes wrong with a link to an Armenian forum? I've got the quotes from various sites including tallarmeniantale. I gave you many quotes and you're saying they must be false .. Are you telling me "Men Are like that" (memoirs of an Armenian officer) dies not exist? I can send you an E-bay link. These quotes are all acurate .. and real. I advise you to watch "Sari Gelin" (documentary) that you probably dismiss as false before you watch it.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r no sir...the book is made up i checked several sites to confirm this sorry. The website you went "tallarmeniantale" is already an indicator of why you're confused and misinformed...I advise you to go to some trusted websites

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings You're doing it again, you're like a broken cassette player repeating the same things. Armenians innocent? Don't make me laugh. Takin up arms against the government, collaborating with the enemy, massacering people because of their religion and race. Yeah, seems pretty innocent. You just can't accept the fact that Armenians had responsibilty in the events of 1915. That twisted mentallity does not work. Armenia stays poor and landlocked and Turkey never will accept those lies.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r You make me laugh, I think it's time for you to stop reading information from the tallarmeniantale...go play with your friends hun

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Nationalism is good .. but there is also a bad nationalism .. the kind you have, where you think your self, your culture and religion to be superior compared with other races. What makes you so certain that Armenians couldn't possibly have had responsibility in 1915 .. that's you're hypocrite mind set... "Turks must have done it, we would neeever do such thing"

Instead of asking me to stop reading, I advice you to START with reading...

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r I didn't tell you to stop reading, I told you to stop reading the tallarmeniantale site...again misunderstood. I don't think my comments are Nationalistic...I'm not boasting about Armenia. I don't think you even know what the definition of a nationalistic means. Armenians were poor and outnumbered by Turks..how could they go and murder a bunch of wealthy Turks huh? Not logical...

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Exacly you asked me to stop reading. Unlike you I read from multiple sources including ones who propagate the Armenian side of the story. You confirm a site totally fake while you've NEVER read it or checked it out .. it must be fake because its in the favour of the Turks. You just keeeep proving my point over and over again .. TallArmenianTale is a perfectly good site you're the one who can't see further than what your parents and family learned you

[3choBlast3r]

@3choBlast3r confirm a site ..

should be condem a site

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r I have checked them out HAHAHAHA multiple times. That's why I was questioning you about where you were pulling the quotes from, either it was the "historyoftruth" or the "tallarmeniantale" websites...the two main sources for brainwashing Turks like you. How bout you read my websites? How about you watch the video that I provided a link to? Are you too lazy too? How about you take your time to read some articles that aren't biased?...

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings "poor armenians, wealthy turks"? The Turks had no men to protect him since all the men where fighting. Near 1910 all boys over 45 kilo had to go to the frontlines to fight. The soldiers had ammo shortage, old weapons, shortage on food and water. The population was starving from hunger.., who are you kidding? SomeTurkish officers and soldiers had no uniforms so they made it from the materials of their tents. Most soldiers had no shoes. And these are all documented facts with foto's etc

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Yes, there were some Turkish soldiers ill equipped, I understand that...I was talking about the rich and powerful Turkish Ottoman government at that time had the power to order the troops to do carry out a genocide against Armenians and Greeks.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r I don't think it's healthy for you to be reading that site honestly. You're 20 according to your profile and you're literally fucked in the head.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings I did not watch the video because it is a pain in the ass to copy those links and put the dots there etc. I just wanted to reply as soon as possible .. it's funny that you call it all propaganda. Without properly researching or thinking... You'r nationalism and sense of being totally inocent is bluring your vision and mind. You're just like the people in the video .. you don't research if its true. You search for reasons to call it false.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Pain in the ass eh? I went and searched your so called "novel" and it wasn't a pain in the ass and it took 5 times longer than copying and pasting...research? I've done a shit load of it and please child..I'm living proof of the genocide.

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings the people in the forums I ment

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r You didn't have to go on for hours replying to my comments with your so called "proofs" that you're getting from Turkish propaganda websites...go play with your friends I really couldn't care less. Of course you can go on for hours...anyone can go one for hours making up a bunch of crap to make the Armenians look like "terrorists"...you even ignored the video I tried to show you in my reply...I guess you had no comment about it b/c of how bad Turkey looked in that debate?

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Don't you mean "we're" ?....Armenians were innocent and Turks were NOT. The sources you provide are Turkish sources....and the "Armenian" who's telling all this bs is a made up person just made up for the sole purpose of creating this "scene" where the Armenians were the aggressors. Hmmm...Armenia joining the "coalition of historians research 1915"?..I think the historians in that committee must've been fed some money by the Turkish gov't don't ya think? It has been already proven..

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings See you're doing it again.. haha you're like a sheep. Or a broken casette player you repeat the samething over and over again. You believe it because the rest believes it. Armenians innocent don't make me laugh. Taking up Arms against the government and innocen people because of their religion and ethnicity? Yeah that seems pretty innocent.The book is real and written in 1928 you just can't accept the truth. And most of the quotes weren't from that book but Russian and French archives

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings The proposal was that historians from various different backgrounds, countries, races and religions would research and come to a conslusion them selves. That Armenia would open their archives like we already did for years (and Armenia is still refusing to do)

You talked without thinking or researching again .. big fail you're quote " it has been already proven" hahah ... the historians weren't picked yet .. it would have been a independant coalition

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Armenians have opened their archives in multiple places around the world your comment is an epic fail...

Example: panorama (dot) am/en/society/2010/04/09/arkhi­v/

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Armenians have archives in mutlipleplaces in the world hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ? What's you IQ sonny? The Archives are in Armenia it self.. I meant the dashnak archives. The Armenian archives are still closed no Turkish, American, German, French etc historian can read and or research them. That's a big fact ... wow your epic fail, failed ..

Turkish Ottoman archives of those era are all open and you can go there tomorrow to research and read them if you want to.

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r HAHAAHA "sonny"? LOL...srry wise old man you haven't read your history books...my knowledge on this topic exceeds yours, don't kid yourself. It's sad that you go to website such as tallarmeniantale and copy/paste a bunch of lies for me to read...I'm not interested in any bs. Armenians have multiple archives some in the US, others in other places. The archives are CLOSED to TURKS if you read my previous link..

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Most of the Ottoman Turkish archives were burnt because the Turks wanted to hide their filthy work...so the Turkish archives aren't a major source of information for the genocide...again read some books

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r of course historians weren't picked...the historians that would be picked would have Turkish dollars up their asses dummy

[3choBlast3r]

@ArmoWings Yeah whatever makes you feel better hahah .. it's funny how you force your self to believe things would happen with your hypocrite mindset even before it ever has happened. Do you really think Turkey can bribe a independant coalition of well known famous historians that research such a touchy event? .. that would end their carreer and Turkeys credibility .. but you just keep confirming my point. Keep lying to your self

[ArmoWings]

@3choBlast3r Yes, Turkey has a well-known history of its bribing:

Example: mygorillavideo (dot) com/wikileaks-fbi-agentturkey-­bribes-congress-to-deny-armeni­an-genocide/

Turks do not want to recognize the genocide because they don't want to be labeled as another Sudan...

[ist1990]

@ArmoWings

na i think you must get a book

big LİAR

[ArmoWings]

@ist1990 nice comeback?....bahahaha

[ist1990]

@ArmoWings bahahaha

you tooo

[daderone]

thanks guys. two conflicting sides to some degree but i appreciate the efforts.

[ArmoWings]

b/c there was a genocide in which 1.5 million Armenians were killed (that was in 1915)...but the main cause is b/c Azerbaijan was assigned Nagorno Karabakh after the fall of the Soviet Union, which has a very large population of Armenians living in their, and it is historically Armenian land with a lot of architecture, churches, etc dating back many centuries ago...but, Azerbaijan declared war during the early 1990's and we got our lands back, that sums it up.

hope that helps :)

[ArmoWings]

1.5 million Armenians killed by Turkey, forgot to mention