This is dajia erlu (big frame, set 2, 大架二路), created or rather compiled by Chen Ziqiang. Lots of punches. He has dajia yilu (big frame, set 1 大架一路), too, which has no punches.
I think what is interesting is to note the difference in form between Chen Zhenglei and Chen Xiaowang. I personally come from the CZL lineage so I am more partial to his form. From what I have understood, at the high level that these masters have achieved, form does not matter. They all incorporate the internal principals of what tai chi is all about, combining the hardness and the softness. This should be evident from the form, but sometimes it is not so obvious.
Chen Ziqiang, along with Chen Bing are masters in Chen village who train daily since childhood and work diligently to pass on Chen Tai Ji Quan under GrandMaster Chen Xiao wang. Since Chen village is the guardian place of Chen Tai Ji, and 80% of it's people practice Tai Ji for generations, I would think that they know the artform better than someone on youtube who thinks they know the "coiling" energy of Chen Tai Ji just because they have watched a lot of videos.
Maybe you're not looking hard enough then. I see the coiling, but then I've been walking this form and know what to look for. I have no idea what it is that makes it look external to you, but don't forget that Taiji is not just about softness, but also displays, like in this example, hardness coming from softness.
I practice another soft internal martial art (Xing Yi) and have watched hundreds of Chen related video and had a chance to see a few practitioners of the style. To my eyes, most of this guy's movements are somewhat "square", compared with the "round" movements of other teachers from Chen village. It reminds me somewhat of the Shaolin origins this form has. He sure is soft, but looks half-internal, as in Yang Jwing-Ming's Bai He.
I'm not sure we can solve this without ending up in a long debate about what "internal" really means. However, according to my teachers, high-level Taijiquan is 50% Yin, 50% Yang, meaning both soft and hard. Iron wrapped in cotton. Also, it is said that to achieve mastership, the external has to become internal too, and the internal has to become external too.
I firmly believe that no principles of internal movement are violated in this performance. For the coiling, just look at the hands.
@Israeli88 Outside circles don't matter, what matters is the "internal" spiral which is not scene. The modern forms such as Xin Jia, or Lao Jia revised by Chen Zhaokui and Chen Zhaobi expresses those circles outside so that people can imitate the external movements and eventually tab into the internal aspect of it. That way the real meaning in Tai Chi would never be forgotten or fail to pass down even if there happens to be a bad teacher in a generation.
@Israeli88 I think it looks a little more linear because it's a bit more compacted than what's usually seen out of the village. It may be a result of CZQ's considerable competition and free-sparring experience. The same thing happened with the xinjia lineage (Chen Fake-->Chen Zhaokui-->Chen Yu) when CFK went to Beijing and came into contact with a lot of other martial artists. The compactness is good for fighting but harder for learning the insides of the art.
my god, i wish i would've started earlier. his ability is inspirational. i can't imagine ever being there. definitely gonna practice tonight now
Modernfieldrecording 9 months ago
Chen Ziqiang = Little Tsunami
sealsgivebirth 10 months ago
stomping the ground that hard is bad for your joints
godlameroso 11 months ago
Good strong punches. Looks more like xiaolin than taiji.
TheTjcrazyhorse 1 year ago
Great form, one I would love to learn,
chentaichiacademy 1 year ago
This is dajia erlu (big frame, set 2, 大架二路), created or rather compiled by Chen Ziqiang. Lots of punches. He has dajia yilu (big frame, set 1 大架一路), too, which has no punches.
solojester 1 year ago
I think what is interesting is to note the difference in form between Chen Zhenglei and Chen Xiaowang. I personally come from the CZL lineage so I am more partial to his form. From what I have understood, at the high level that these masters have achieved, form does not matter. They all incorporate the internal principals of what tai chi is all about, combining the hardness and the softness. This should be evident from the form, but sometimes it is not so obvious.
thirdtuck 2 years ago
Chen Ziqiang, along with Chen Bing are masters in Chen village who train daily since childhood and work diligently to pass on Chen Tai Ji Quan under GrandMaster Chen Xiao wang. Since Chen village is the guardian place of Chen Tai Ji, and 80% of it's people practice Tai Ji for generations, I would think that they know the artform better than someone on youtube who thinks they know the "coiling" energy of Chen Tai Ji just because they have watched a lot of videos.
waterIsis 2 years ago
Why does his particular form has such an external look to it at times? I can't see the coiling that's usually the hallmark of Chen Taiji.
Israeli88 2 years ago
Maybe you're not looking hard enough then. I see the coiling, but then I've been walking this form and know what to look for. I have no idea what it is that makes it look external to you, but don't forget that Taiji is not just about softness, but also displays, like in this example, hardness coming from softness.
tgirl2323 2 years ago
Look hard enough and you can see anything :-P
I practice another soft internal martial art (Xing Yi) and have watched hundreds of Chen related video and had a chance to see a few practitioners of the style. To my eyes, most of this guy's movements are somewhat "square", compared with the "round" movements of other teachers from Chen village. It reminds me somewhat of the Shaolin origins this form has. He sure is soft, but looks half-internal, as in Yang Jwing-Ming's Bai He.
Israeli88 2 years ago
I'm not sure we can solve this without ending up in a long debate about what "internal" really means. However, according to my teachers, high-level Taijiquan is 50% Yin, 50% Yang, meaning both soft and hard. Iron wrapped in cotton. Also, it is said that to achieve mastership, the external has to become internal too, and the internal has to become external too.
I firmly believe that no principles of internal movement are violated in this performance. For the coiling, just look at the hands.
tgirl2323 2 years ago
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jervis8784 2 years ago
@Israeli88 Outside circles don't matter, what matters is the "internal" spiral which is not scene. The modern forms such as Xin Jia, or Lao Jia revised by Chen Zhaokui and Chen Zhaobi expresses those circles outside so that people can imitate the external movements and eventually tab into the internal aspect of it. That way the real meaning in Tai Chi would never be forgotten or fail to pass down even if there happens to be a bad teacher in a generation.
whsskdhkf 1 year ago
@Israeli88 I think it looks a little more linear because it's a bit more compacted than what's usually seen out of the village. It may be a result of CZQ's considerable competition and free-sparring experience. The same thing happened with the xinjia lineage (Chen Fake-->Chen Zhaokui-->Chen Yu) when CFK went to Beijing and came into contact with a lot of other martial artists. The compactness is good for fighting but harder for learning the insides of the art.
monkeychuan 1 year ago
This is clearly Chenshi Taiji Cannon fist-maybe u have a preconceived idea about what taiji should look like.
taijisb 1 year ago
danke fürs einstellen, so kann man besser wiederholen!!!
VivanteWesternreiten 2 years ago
Very nice!
wumeier 2 years ago