Lies, LIES, ALL LIES!!!! Splicing the DNA of poisonous frogs with corn plants is not genetic engineering for efficiency! And while we're at it, the chemtrails being sprayed on all of us are not natural stratus/cirrus clouds! Wake up people! The genetic engineering of the world's food sources and the geo-engineering of the world's weather is BULLSH*T! These are all crimes against humanity and we're not gonna look the other way any more!
@OptimalElement If 100 people came to a doctor with certain symptoms and they all ate the same GM food it`s easy to consider that GM food as a potential cause. To say millions have eaten GM foods without adverse effects is simply not justified when there is no labeling in place to determine who has even eaten GM foods and like cigarettes there can be long term adverse effects that wouldn`t be reported immediately after GM food consumption.
@OptimalElement Millions of people can smoke for 10 years and not report adverse effects either. GM foods are not labeled in the U.S.(where most GM foods are consumed) so if I go to a doctor with an illness that could never determine whether or not that illness is caused or contributed to by GM food. If a doctor asks if I smoke I can answer that, if they ask do I eat saturated fat etc. I can answer that, but without a label I can`t answer if I eat GM foods or not.
@captwasabi So, all you found was 1 study from London Hygiene which still found organic had higher phosphorus. The other study you gave didn`t even look at nutrition, it looked at pesticide and nitrate levels. Then you claim there are no peer reviewed studies suggesting organic is more nutritious, even though I gave you a dozen peer reviewed review studies that anyone can read themselves. I can`t fix your level of stupidity and your delusions until you stop lying to yourself.
@captwasabi Only one study came from the Alternative Medicine Review, most came from reputable journals and all are peer reviewed. I can cherry pick too, London Hygeine nutrition study still found phosphorus was higher for organic and their health study found organic benefited eczema and there were no benefits for anything for conventional. I gave 3 studies published after the London Hygeine studies and 1 was done by the French government`s Food Safety Agency.
@captwasabi LMAO! You have serious issues reading don`t you? Your argument was that organic uses more pesticides etc. and you used a quote that said organic has less pesticides but even though it has less its not known whether that would have a health impact because conventional pesticide levels are generally at a safe level. Wow, I just can`t fix your kind of stupid! That same study also suggested organic had higher levels of nutrients and animals had more health benefits eating organic.
@captwasabi Thats a dozen peer reviewed review studies to back my claim. There are more, but I am confident that you can`t even find half of that to back your claim that organic food is not more nutritious. If you can not find an equal or greater amount of peer reviewed review studies to back your claim, I trust you will admit the evidence is in favor of organic food being more nutritious than conventional food. If you fail to admit this, well, I just can`t fix that kind of stupid.
@myndy86 "One 2010 study commissioned by the British Food Standards Agency found that “there is currently no evidence to support the selection of organic over conventionally produced foods on the basis of nutritional superiority,” and other studies have come to similar conclusions." I don't know what you think you're reading but there is not one single peer-reviewed article showing that organic food is more nutritional. Continue lying to yourself if you wish.
@myndy86 "Although there is little evidence that organic and conventional foods differ in respect to the concentrations of the various micronutrients (vitamins, minerals and trace elements), there seems to be a slight trend towards higher ascorbic acid content in organically grown leafy vegetables and potatoes." Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought? A review of the evidence.
@myndy86 "Organic fruits and vegetables can be expected to contain fewer agrochemical residues than conventionally grown alternatives; yet, the significance of this difference is questionable, inasmuch as actual levels of contamination in both types of food are generally well below acceptable limits." Organic food: buying more safety or just peace of mind? A critical review of the literature.
@myndy86 "Although in vitro studies of organic fruits and vegetables consistently demonstrate that organic foods have greater antioxidant activity, are more potent suppressors of the mutagenic action of toxic compounds, and inhibit the proliferation of certain cancer cell lines, in vivo studies of antioxidant activity in humans have failed to demonstrate additional benefit." That's from one of the studies you linked to.
@myndy86 "On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods." Nutritional quality of organic foods: a systematic review. Everything I have posted is from pubmed.
@myndy86 And by the way, not all journals and/or articles on pubmed are, in fact, peer-reviewed. Also, most of the articles you listed were from the "alternative medicine" category which is questionable to begin with as that's mostly homeopathic bullshit. By way of example, the last article I cited came from the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" by far a more reputable source than the "Alternative Medicine Review" articles you've been citing. Again, it's your stupidity I cannot fix.
@captwasabi there is nothing BULLShit about homeopathic foods and herbs. OUr ancestors used them for years, our medicines are made from dirivetives of these natural foods. There are many foods with medicinal value, as long as they haven't been screwed around with. Homeopathic solutions DO work. And myself, I trust a home grown remedy way more than I trust any concoction dreamed and mixed up in a lab by EXTREMELY FALLIBLE HUMAN BEINGS. Try reading some entire articles and not just headlines.
@MOM1NATOR I mean do you really think BIG PHARM and the doctors that they partner with are gonna tell you that asparagus will cure you, when they can sell you some shit that cost 100 a bottle? Get real.
@captwasabi "Organic crops contain fewer nitrates, nitrites and pesticide residues but, as a rule, more dry matter, vitamin C, phenolic compounds, essential amino acids and total sugars than conventional crops. Organic crops also contain statistically more mineral compounds and usually have better sensory and long-term storage qualities." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3000/abstract
@captwasabi "organic vegetables and fruits most likely contain more of these compounds than conventional ones, allowing for the possibility that organic plant foods may in fact benefit human health more than corresponding conventional ones." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.903/abstract
@captwasabi "1/organic plant products contain more dry matter and minerals (Fe, Mg); and contain more anti-oxidant micronutrients such as phenols and salicylic acid, 2/organic animal products contain more polyunsaturated fatty acids""4/94-100% of organic food does not contain any pesticide residues,5/organic vegetables contain far less nitrates,about 50% less" agronomy-journal"dot"org/index.php?option=com_article&access-=doi&doi=10.10051/agro/2009019&Itemid=129
@captwasabi "Organic crops contained significantly more vitamin C, iron, magnesium and phosphorus and significantly less nitrates than conventional crops. There were nonsignificant trends showing less protein but of a better quality and a higher content of nutritionally significant minerals with lower amounts of some heavy metals in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11327522
@captwasabi "higher nitrate and lower vitamin C contents of conventionally-produced vegetables" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002790 "slight trend towards higher ascorbic acid content in organically grown leafy vegetables and potatoes.""lower protein concentrations but of higher quality in some organic vegetables and cereal crops""animal feeding experiments indicate that animal health and reproductive performance are slightly improved when they are organically fed" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12907407
@captwasabi "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses.""The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028 "Ecological food is tastier and contains more essential amino-acids, vitamin C, and micro-nutriments than usual food" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16610189
@captwasabi "A review of existing literature reveals that organic foods compared to conventionally produced foods seem to have a higher content of antioxidants in plant products and a higher content of fat-soluble vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids in animal products. Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159
@captwasabi "For individual nutrients, existing studies show that organic fertilization practices produce crops with higher levels of ascorbic acid, lower levels of nitrate, and improved protein quality compared with conventionally grown crops.""Animal studies showed better growth and reproduction in animals fed organically grown feed compared with those fed conventionally grown feed." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9439021
@captwasabi "Organic crops contain a significantly higher amount of certain antioxidants (vitamin C, polyphenols and flavonoids) and minerals, as well as have higher dry matter content than conventional ones.""there is a lower level of pesticide residues, nitrate and some heavy metal contaminations in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17297755
@captwasabi "reviews of multiple studies show that organic varieties do provide significantly greater levels of vitamin C, iron, magnesium, and phosphorus than non-organic varieties of the same foods. While being higher in these nutrients, they are also significantly lower in nitrates and pesticide residues.""organic foods typically provide greater levels of important antioxidant pytochemicals (anthocyanins, flavonoids, and carotenoids)." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20359265
@captwasabi The 52% of organic farmers don`t use pesticides statistic came from a reference in one the studies I gave you. Organic farmers use mostly biological pest control such as crop cover, crop rotation, predatory insects etc. instead of pesticides. The huge majority of peer reviewed review studies suggest organic food IS more nutritious/healthier than conventional food. I challenge you to find as many peer reviewed review studies to back up your claim as I can to back up mine.
im guessing this video has so many dislikes because it talked about facts and basic science instead of hippy propaganda, some people simply dont want to actually learn something.
@kaltrushify Genetic modification is not the same as cross or selective breeding. No matter how much you try to breed a dog and a cat together you will never be able to with cross or selective breeding, but you can insert dog dna into a cat with genetic modification.
@kaltrushify Most studies suggest organic can feed the world now and in the future! Read some yourself. srfood.org/images/stories/pdf/press_releases/20110308_agroecology-report-pr_en.pdf
MOst of the commentators have got no fucking clue about biology or how things really work. There is no "natural" food in the supermarcet. All of it is genetically modified through breeding...maybe we could just all go back to eating mini small potatoes, maize ect. Can you really find big , delicious fruits and vegetables that are not breeded. Because everything that is breeded is certainly not natural. The food we eat today doesnt look the way nature intened it to be.
I heard of someone is Seattle that was extremely exited the buy this wonderful seeds from MS he, is very rich of course.
Sure those tomatoes look great and taste like fish yummy. If you are supporting MS please dig a little and study the consequences of transforming genetically anything. The natural way for the pollen to move around have been affected in many parts of the world that a fact and this is courtesy of MS Son of B.
Type "Millions Against Monsanto Campaign 2011" in the youtube search, to find out more about rallies throughout the U.S. on 3/26/11 to get genetically engineered/modified organisms labeled.
If you've helped thousands of people enjoy better health without drugs, then you've certainly understood the importance of purity of blood and diet.
Dr. Wong trained me that kidney disease is the worst death in the hospital. So when I read scientists' conclusions that GMO are suggested to "induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity", I get concerned
GMOs also contain a recently discovered micro fungus ( visible under electron microscope) deemed detrimental to plants and animals.
@ capt wasabi "In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted... the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs...cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others [4]. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity. "
That penultimate word means your liver / kidneys which keep your blood pure
Biology professor Bela Darvas of Hungary‘s Debrecen University discovered that Monsanto’s Mon 810 corn is lethal to two Hungarian protected species and one insect classified as rare. Now Monsanto refuses to give Darvas any more Mon 810 to use in his studies.
They also refused his request for Mon 863, another GM variety.
So, not only has MON 810 been shown to cause serious damage to animals, but it may also wipe out protected plant and insect species.
I have a running challenge to all GMO advocates. I would love to run a little spin off of the "super-size me" documentary. but, instead call it "genetically modify me." and, we could take two groups, set one on an organic, natural, whole food diet and set the other into a GMO buffet. I would love to see some humans brave enough to do that. and i would love to see proof of all of the benefits reaped by consuming naturally. so, any of you advocates down? wouldn't be too hard to find funding!
It's regular food. We just happen to have more knowledge of how to produce better food now. Humankind has been producing ever better qualities of food for thousands of years. We simply found a way to do it faster.
Did you know so-called "organic" food is much more dangerous than genetically modified food? It's true. Get a biology degree so you can understand the science!
@KidsandKarma Actually no. Regular food is enhanced by what is known as conventional breeding.
GMO is gene transplants from one species to another. e.g. fish to tomato.We have no idea of the outcome. GMO crop feeding caused stomach bleeding in rats, reproductive failure in chickens and pigs, premature deaths in cows and other animals..these are farmers' reports. Watch "Hidden dangers GMO foods"
I don't want to be a guinea pig. GMO may cause cancer or sterility. Read "Seed of Destruction"
@KidsandKarma If organic food is more dangerous, then why do most studies suggest organically fed animals live longer, have less degenerative disease, better reproductive ability etc. than conventionally fed animals? "Animal studies showed better growth and reproduction in animals fed organically grown feed compared with those fed conventionally grown feed." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9439021
@KidsandKarma "Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159 "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses.""The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028
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I think the Precautionary Principle should be employed. There might be benefits but how can we know all the negative effects that could emerge? We've experienced this repeatedly in science... the idea that if we've tested for a brief time, we're safe altering what evolution took millions of years to get right. So now we have thalidomide and DES defects, problems with pollinators and GM crops, pesticides in animal tissue (ours) and water tables. Let's rewrite science ethics to regard life.
@ohanawanna All food is genetically modified. Evolution did not take millions of years to get it right. Humans took a few thousand years to genetically modify wild organisms through selective breeding. We chose those genes we wanted by breeding to enrich for the desirable and deplete the undesirable genes. It's the slower version of GM. Nowadays, we simply insert the gene via recombination rather than breed the genes we want into the gene pool.
Its important to distinguish traditional selective breeding from genetic engineering.The biotech industry has often stated the two as being similar,to reassure people of the "safety" of GMOs,but it is false.
@OptimalElement "D. magna fed GM-maize showed a significantly reduced fitness performance: The mortality was higher, a lower proportion of females reached sexual maturation, and the overall egg production was lower compared to D. magna fed UM isogenic maize.""The combination of a reduced fitness performance combined with earlier onset of reproduction of D. magna fed Bt-maize indicates a toxic effect rather than a lower nutritional value of the GM-maize." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347840'
@OptimalElement "We observed that after the consumption of MON863""Chemistry measurements reveal signs of hepatorenal toxicity""Triglycerides increased by 24-40% in females (either at week 14, dose 11% or at week 5, dose 33%, respectively); urine phosphorus and sodium excretions diminished in males by 31-35% (week 14, dose 33%)""with the present data it cannot be concluded that GM corn MON863 is a safe product." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/17356802?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn
@OptimalElement "Animal toxicity studies with certain GM foods have shown that they may toxically affect several organs and systems.""The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18989835
@OptimalElement "Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters)." enveurope"dot"com/content/23/1 /10
@OptimalElement "GM-fed mice of all ages considered, the number of perichromatin granules is higher and the nuclear pore density lower.""we found enlargements in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum in GM-fed mice Sertoli cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718213 "our data suggest that GM soybean intake can influence hepatocyte nuclear features in young and adult mice" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12441651
@OptimalElement "Several proteins belonging to hepatocyte metabolism, stress response, calcium signalling and mitochondria were differentially expressed in GM-fed mice, indicating a more marked expression of senescence markers in comparison to controls. Moreover, hepatocytes of GM-fed mice showed mitochondrial and nuclear modifications indicative of reduced metabolic rate. This study demonstrates that GM soybean intake can influence some liver features" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18648843
@OptimalElement "This indicates that GM soy protein intake affected pancreas function, evidenced by the early acute PAP mRNA increased levels and pancreas cellular changes followed by recuperation of acinar cells after 30 days." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.1319/abstract
"The GM-fed D. magna had lower survival (lx) than the UM-fed D. magna throughout the experiment" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811247/
The key is to be able to modify plants correctly. Introducing new genes can make plant better or worse. GMO can bring good benefits but it must be carefully regulated and undergo certain trials.
Take pharmaceuticals for example, and how society benefits. But then I can bring same argument saying pharmaceuticals are dangerous and harmful and can be very toxic, and YES they can be. For this reason clinical trials are conducted. Surely similar system can be developed for GMOs?
@OptimalElement The clinical trials would have to be more thorough for GMOs than they are for pharmaceuticals because GMOs are living organisms and can change through recombination etc. It's possible for the level of regulation to ensure GMO health safety to exist, but at this point it doesn't. The precautionary principle should be used for GMOs until each GMO is found to be overwhelmingly safe and even then constant follow-up health safety testing should be conducted due to recombination etc.
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 1) the majority of gm foods have bacterias, viruses and gold in them... the very things that were used to permeate the cellular wall. those things are not nutritious, or even healthy, to consume. 2) they do not use less land. and monoagriculture is one of the most depletive, unnatural processes for the soil. 3) these pesticides that you say are so safe have caused many negative health responses.
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz the lovely thing about posting things is that they don't disappear after 8 months just because your interest in a topic does. sorry you're not interested in the topic any longer. its an important one. best of luck with your GMO consumption. :)
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz "Cows mainly fed with hay generate less than 1 % of the E. coli found in the faeces of grain-fed animals.""It can be concluded that organic farming potentially reduces the risk of E. coli infection." fao.org/docrep/meeting/X4983e.htm#c2 "E. coli prevalence in certified organic produce was 4.3%, a level not statistically different from that in conventional samples. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15151224
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz GM USES MORE LAND THAN ORGANIC!! Gm requires both refuges and buffer zones and organic does not. "Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods"" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz Some GM crops have decreased levels of nutrients. "An overall reduction in phytoestrogen levels of 12-14% was observed in the genetically altered soybean strains" liebertonline"dot"com/doi/abs/10.1089/jmf.1998.1.241
Most peer reviewed review studies suggest organic has more nutrients than conventional. Since GM foods can have less nutrients than conventional and organic food generally has more nutrients than conventional, organic is generally more nutritious than GM.
@captwasabi There have been plenty of independent studies that found that lab rats developed liver and kidney cancer from eating gmo food. Are you one of those fools who trusts the government?
@whyyesyes "Plenty of studies" or just one? If you are talking about the work conducted by Dr. Arpad Pusztai that was a decade ago and the potatoes never made it into the reach of the public. All this does is confirm that the system works to protect us and that you are a fool.
@zigyzigy13 And I pity anyone who dismisses anything that can save a life without actually bothering to review facts. Morons who instead allow irrational fear and bullshit arguments to weight on their decisions instead of facts do not deserve even a seconds worth of attention. You're a moron. Of the highest order. As are all of your ilk who would refuse others life sustaining food because of your own ignorance. Begone ignorant child.
@captwasabi And I pity anyone who dismisses anything that can save a life>Bwaaaaaaaa hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!! You mean to DESTROY LIFE??? Ge hahahaaaaa!!!!! without actually bothering to review facts> Ga hahahaaa!!!!! The facts that were manipulated by the government and the corporations!!!
@captwasabi Ga hahaha!!!! But you also don't have the proof that the GMO is healthy do you!!!!! You are a very very sad person who can't face the trut. I pitty you!!! Bwa ha!!!
@mississhippy On what basis do you make that claim? Just considering all the misinformation and outright lies out there promoted by groups that oppose GMO foods it's highly unlikely that many people are even able to make informed decisions. The Sierra Club openly lied to the leaders of Zaire about the non-existent dangers of GMO corn. This resulted in a nation with some of the high amounts of starving people refusing tonnes of food that would other wise save them. Is that a good thing?
@mississhippy You're right. There is no lack of food, just a lack of arable land. As for your claim of liver damage caused by GM aubergines that is, as expected, incorrect. These claims were floated by Greenpeace and the Sierra Club despite an utter and complete lack of scientific data. And GM foods were designed to help feed starving people. Maybe you should do some research conducted by actual scientists and not propoganda driven organizations such as Greenpeace and Sierra Club.
"We shouldn't be a part of a system that will destroy traditional seeds and crops and allow multinational corporations to infringe on the agriculture sector".
@captwasabi You lot are already shagged with all the hydrogenated, mono diglycderides, glucose syrup you eat - all which are legal, all which are bad for the heart, liver, cause diabetes etc. Why not add a bit of GM to the pot?
@mississhippy Ok, so you've gone from trying to find something wrong with GM foods specifically to now attempting to say our entire food structure is somehow wrong. Way to abandon your case. Buhbye!
@mississhippy What the fuck are you talking about? You've gone from making scientifically ambiguious statements to out right lies that are easily to disproven and now you're just babbling.
So now you're defending the other horrors your people put into hundreds of foods in your supermarkets (and mine), infact its hard to avoid them unless you cook like a '50's housewife.
Just shows we can't believe what you spout. Tut tut.
Plus, you have an anger problem - maybe something in your diet.
@mississhippy Who exactly are "my people"? just for comparison, in the 1950's the average lifespan was 68.1 years. The current life expectancy is no 78.1 years. That's quite an improvement so again, what the fuck are you talking about? Lastly, I have no anger here. I'm just confused as fuck because you are apparently unable to formulate a rational, fact-based thought.
@captwasabi This generation is not going to live as long. And we're not just talking about mortality, but morbidity as well. How much is the pharmaceutical business worth? Do you swear at people face to face? Or just in writing?
@mississhippy You still haven't answered who "my people" are and you have no fucking clue how long this generation is going to live. Modern science and technology has to potential to extend the human life span exponentially. Who cares how much the pharma business is worth? They're the one's helping to keep us alive. And I curse at anyone who promotes ideas as increadibly fucking stupid as yours.
1 in 3 americans getting cancer, diabetes & heart disease higher than ever before, yes we sure need the pharma industry, that's my point.
Why the problem with me saying 'your people' . I only meant the food industry & fda in the US, what did you THINK I meant????? Are you part of an organisation or something.
@mississhippy Soceity needs Pharmaceuticals for the reason our foods due to genetic modification causes cancers, and other illnesses because Monsanto is manipulating nature and inserting genes that do not naturally belong into our foods. If we stoped GM Foods like European countries we would have less ilness. Until them we need to support Organice Farmers and Organic stores.
@mississhippy Soceity needs Pharmaceuticals for the reason our foods due to genetic modification causes cancers, and other illnesses because Monsanto is manipulating nature and inserting genes that do not naturally belong into our foods. If we stoped GM Foods like European countries we would have less ilness. Until the we need to support Organice Farmers and Organic stores.
@elbanydaer The only problem with your argument is that the places that need GM foods the most are the places most likely to not let it in. Greenpeace waged a major propoganda war in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo) against the planned donation of tonnes of GM corn. Zaire has an epidemic where over 50% of their population is starving. The deaths of millions are on the hands of idiots who argue against GM foods from a point of ignorance.
No argument. Simply asking questions. Thank you for your answer.
I am not so sure that all people who disagree with GMO are idiots. We should not be too quick to judge. The majority of Europeans refuse it. Take a look at what farmers have experienced after feeding their animals GMO crops. It may surprise you. We have to be very careful not to simply agree and repeat what very powerful concerns with millions for PR promulgate as truth or facts.
@elbanydaer Agreed but in all honesty, a good 95% of what I come across here on YT regarding GMO foods is pure, unadulterated asshattery so I often lump a lot of the talking heads into the the "idiots" column.
Well, you could always rethink that. There is no harm in looking at what those people are concerned about. They may have legitimate concerns. Besides, there is no harm in erring on the side of nature. But that is just my Weltanschauung and is not meant to persuade anyone.
@elbanydaer Erring on the side of nature? Nature is bullshit my friend and will kill you dead in a heartbeat if given a chance. Antiseptics and antibiotics are used to beat nature back. Nature does not cooperate nor is it democratic. The list of wild plants that would kill you dead are legion but through centuries of selective breeding we have built up a wide vairety of useable foodstuffs. Besides, most people are just here to piss and moan from a point of utter ignorance.
@captwasabi these GM foods haven't been tested enough... and DEFINITELY haven't proven to be healthy to the planet or consumers. there is no benefit of sending out GM foods that are going to destroy populations, biodiversity, the soil and waterways of starving countries. That includes ours. If you want to save countries, educate them. Not on monoagricultural practices, and how to apply toxic herbicides, insecticides and pesticides. On how to farm, build, and heal.
@sonjaspinarski First you say that the foods have not been tested enough then you say that the GM foolds are going to destroy populations. No only are you utterly clueless you are also utterly biased. Also, if you are so concerned with the use of herbicides, insecticides and pesticides then I'm sure you are equally opposed to organic farming as this type of farming uses far more of these materials over conventional farming. Read some, gain some knowledge then come back.
@captwasabi gain some knowledge?!? coming from someone promoting GMOs, i don't think I'm the one that needs to gain some knowledge. Many independent studies have been done that prove there are many harmful effects in using GMOs in the diet. THESE GM foods that are currently being dispersed will, without any containment, destroy populations. Populations of people, insects, plants and animals. Without further testing of these GM concepts in our food, we're being used as the guinea pigs.
@sonjaspinarski Name one peer-reviewed study? Again with the wild claim that GMO's will destroy populations which is pure and utter bullshit. And as for organic farming numerous studies have shown that organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water and land to produce the same crop yield and requires the use of far more "organic" pesticides which are far less efficient. You are a fucking idiot if you think nature provides. Agriculture and husbandry provides you moron.
@captwasabi wild claim that GMOs will destroy populations?!? they are. currently. do YOUR research. check out extinctions of species related to GMOs and round-up ready seeds. and, the majority of these studies supporting biotech firms and industrial agriculture have been done by the FDA and USDA. fortunately, for those studies, the FDA/USDA and those biotech firms share many of the same employees. independent studies show very negative results. institute for responsible technology.
@captwasabi oh. and, thousands of years of living off of the land without the last few decades of the "green revolution" has done plenty for the entire population of the world. i don't know if you're aware of how long humans and other species have graced this earth, but its been going on for quite some time. and nature has provided. in fact, there are organic systems that are still standing tall and are accomplishing plenty. i'm an idiot if i think nature provides? sad statement, pal.
@captwasabi and the whole "utter bullshit", "fucking idiot", and "moron" thing are pretty ridiculous. credibility comes with maturity. you should relax a bit.
@sonjaspinarski Wrong. Credibility comes with presenting facts. You hint to bullshit conspiracies and other nonsensical bullshit to prove your stories. And what you are refering to as supporting humanity for thousands of years is NOT nature. That's agriculture and husbandry you idiotic buffoon. Organic farming is wholly insufficient to feeds the worlds population. End of fucking story.
John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002." December 17, 2002
"Mortality in Sheep Flocks after Grazing on Bt Cotton Fields—Warangal District, Andhra Pradesh" Report of the Preliminary Assessment, April 2006
@mavayu We're you trying to help my argument? You do realize that the 13 Week study you cited shows there to be no difference between an GM diet and a conventional diet, right? "The response of rats fed either 11 or 33% w/w corn event MON863 in the diet was comparable to rats fed [conventional] diets..."
@captwasabi "organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water and land to produce the same crop yield" Come on, you can't be serious. ""Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods"" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
@captwasabi "organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water" Require more water, you're joking? Farming Systems Trial at Rodale Institute. In 1999 during one of the worst droughts on record, yields of organic soybeans were 30 bushels/acre compared to only 16 bushels/acre from conventionally grown soybeans. "studies point to environmental advantages for organic farming practices with respect to""e) conserving water" nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/Bu yOrganicFoodsD.shtml
@captwasabi ... and organic farming does not use NEARLY as toxic of methods. There are farms out there that are using traditional methods of herbicides, insecticides, and pesticides. The best part about nature is that nature provides these things. there are certain plants that certain insects don't like, certain soil that repels certain animals, and in the same way that some things in nature repel, others attract. Its the natural process, and why biodiversity is so detrimental.
@captwasabi "Organically grown foods consistently had about one-third as many residues as conventionally grown foods""Conventionally grown and IPM/NDR samples were also far more likely to contain multiple pesticide residues than were organically grown samples. Comparison of specific residues on specific crops found that residue concentrations in organic samples were consistently lower than in the other two categories, across all three data sets." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12028642
@captwasabi 52% of organic farmers do not use any pesticides whatsoever and those that do generally use significantly less than most conventional farmers. "organic produce carries significantly fewer pesticide residues than conventional produce." nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/BuyOrganicFoodsC.shtml
@myndy86 I have no idea where you get this insane 52% from but it's pure bullshit. All farming requires the use of pesticides, either synthetic or natural. Any farm that does not use pesticides will soon be out of business. But hey, if you want to pay more for food that is nutritionally indistinguishable from conventionally grown farm crops well, I just can't fix that kind of stupid.
We shouldnt go far with GMO's although they are the future and will save lives but can also harm.I'm not too confident with eating them but im not a hippie
@hhamor you're perfectly fine to eat them. You've been eating modified foods all your life. Wild tomatoes are poisonous but domesticated ones, which have been specifically breed over countless generations are perfectly safe. don't let the hysteria get to you.
Your stomach acids will dissolve the modified DNA sequence into it's four bases, Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine, and Thymine. Just because they are in a different order does not mean they are bad for you.
It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
GM foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (scientists who are working to promote the corporate agenda) which implies prematureness and its associated dangers including haste for commercial exploitation of genetic engineering.
>>It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
>>GM foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (scientists who
>>are working to promote the corporate agenda)
It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
organic foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (Trader Joes, for example, an organic food chain that runs a non-union shop and pulls in revenues of 4.5 billion annually.)
@scourfish Also, organic foods are no more or less nutritious than conventionally grown foods and organic growing required more land and water to be used in order to produce the same amount of food. More over, while ogranic growning eschews the use of the more efficient petroleum based pesticides it does still use pesticides. In fact, organic growing requires the use of more tonnes of pesticides than conventional framing. Lastly, organic grown foods are more expensive. Organic sucks.
@johnlyris I fail to see where you get this claim from. Science for profit has driven almost all of the major and minor scientific advances that have made you life better. You think Jonas Salk worked purely for the betterment of mankind? Commercialism is the force that makes your life better day by day whether those advances be in science, technology or a thousand other areas. Competition breeds improvement.
The food to be considered separately from the people is a big misconception. The genetic information of food crops is the information needed by each of our body cells. Body cells are not rigid. They consume themselves and be replaced. Because stem cells. A stem cell can form any cell type. Brain cells, heart cells, blood cells and so on. GM food will mess up this information order. And you transfer all rights to the company. For example, Monsanto.
@Lightfromsirius What the fuck are you talking about? This is some of the most incredibly misinformed bullshit I have ever read. What peer-reviewed study shows that GMO foods will interfere with stem cells?
lies...the scientific discourse is not trustworthy...it serves private interests. It is easy to turn science into a fairy tale....yet people die from patented corruption of nature.
lies... the organic discourse is not trustworthy...it serves private interests: The organic farmers, a $20 billion/year industry that is looking out for it's bottom line and not your health, no different that any other corporation.
@permacultureli No. the development of economics and economoic systems is one of the most important vehicles for the overall betterment of humanity as a whole. Seriously, where the hell do you get this stupidity? By having a uniified system of money we are able to ensure that prices remain relativly uniform acorss great expanses. would you prefer instead a barter system?
@permacultureli Science is not trustworthy? Are you fucking mental? Science cured polio. OVER FUCKING NIGHT! If you're too young to know what that hell was like go ask your grandparents. I'm sure they would love to regale you with stories of wards filled to the rafters with hundreds of people dying from that disease. The list of maladies that have vanished because of science is legion and you would just do away with it. Where does ignroance of your caliber spring from?
@captwasabi Oh...i believe in science, it is supremely useful, key to progress...yet I totally agree...actually..about science...but I feel the kind of science that cures should not become the same kind of out of control scheme as the food industry that provides it with patients....or the kind of government that is bough out by both industries. You do have a tendency to call people stupid, though...not a very intelligent attitude. I do the same..by the way.
@mississhippy Absolutley. I'm not a rat. 1st, rats are used simply because they are mammals and they reproduce incredibly fast. It's not like they are tested because their digestive (liver) and excretory (kidney) systems are identical in both rats and humans. It's simply because they are mammals and there is an abundant supply of them. Also, in these studies the rats are often feed extremely high doses. Until they show the same effects in humans I'm fine eating GMO foods.
They use rats because things effect their liver in the same way as ours.
Also, babies of clones are not the same as natural animals. Its not OK to me to have been lied to! It has been all over the newspapers in the UK that these animals were sneaked into our food chain.
Americans seem content to watch TV and let Monsanto and the Government tell them what they have to eat.
Monsanto and our elected representatives - those who are supposed to honor and protect us - obviously don't want us to know that we are eating GMO's. We are Monsanto's guinea pigs.
Take back the control over what you eat. Take action NOW, TODAY. If it is not labeled GMO-Free or if it is not organic, don't pay your hard earned money for it.
@TeaselGold Another fucking moron. In the US no GM food can be introduced into the food supply without stringent review from the FDA, USDA and EPA. All of these studies and reviews can easily be obtained via a FOIA request so to even suggest that there is some great conspiracy is lunacy in the extreme. and organic costs more idiot.
Don't be so naiive. We have been eating CLONED cows in the UK, because it has been purposely slipped through without our knowledge. You think we should trust the labelling?????
Monsanto fights against mandatory labeling in the USA because they know that a lot more consumers will not buy that food. And that is what repeated consumer polls show.
It is incredible what we let Monsanto do to our food supply - unbelievable that we have been that stupid, that asleep! Because of cross-pollination, corn and soybeans in this country are probably wrecked forever, but we can still save most other crops.
@3Toad3 Many customers don't want that food despite all the studies and care that goes into creating the GE foods. I'm guessing the lies and distortions told by crackpots who don't have a clue as to how GE foods can save lives is working.
@3Toad3 do your part, spread organic heirloom food seed far and wide, its called "johnny appleseed economics" or "gorrila gardens", spread more organic food than GMO and you will water down the effects and if everyone becomes self suffcient at their homes it will stop GMO right in its tracks, if there is enough people it will save our food system, thats how you win! wake up everyone, do your part if u are angry, get seed and make a organic revolution your way.
So how do we know if food is genetically modified or not if they aren't required to label them? And what do we do to save our food supply and stop them from GM'ing more foods?
"A study published in the International Journal of Biological Sciences demonstrates the toxicity of three genetically modified corn varieties from the American seed company Monsanto, the Committee for Independent Research and Information on Genetic Engineering (Criigen, based in Caen), which participated in that study, announced Friday, December 11."
Let's not forget about the poison GMO potatos. How about the GMO tryptophan that sickened and killed so many people. Then the whores at FDA blamed it on the real tryptophan and banned it. I tire of arrogant $cientists that only care about $, pride and screwing things up. $cience told us DDT was safe. How about Vioxx, oops. Or diethylstilbesterol, oops. How many people have to suffer and die because arrogant $cientists that want to contaminate everything good that God gave us?
@ckfarm you're a fucking idiot. God gave us leprosy. Wanna go hang out with a leper or would you rather have the cure? Would you like to live in an iron lung for the rest of your live ofr would you rather have the cure for polio? You're a raving lunatic who takes the rare occasion and makes it the norm. There are hundreds of thousands of scientists who do the right thing day in and day out yet you are willing to rate them all as guilty. You're an incredible bigot.
@captwasabi "the rare occasion" LOL!!! Keep raving FOOL! Boo Hoo. The screams of lunacy from the status quo crowd are going to become deafening as we replace $cience with real, healthy alternatives. You sound like someone who has a lot at stake as the "merchants of the Earth" are eliminated. $, pride, ??? HA-HA! Poor baby! You choose contamination, greed, lust, sickness, and death. I choose health, vitality, clean farming, etc. You sound like Monsanto's bitch. Pull your head out and wake up!
@ckfarm Keep raving fuckstick. You're just one of those moronic idiots who knows nothing and yet continues to rail against science despite that fact that it improves your life. You do realize that most cultivated vegetables are the result of the scientific process of selective crossbreeding over hundreds of years right assmuncher? Morons like you amuse me so.
@ckfarm And as for Vioxx, I highly suggest you actually bother getting educated on that case. Initial studies did find 4 fold increase risk in heart attack. That took the .01% chance to .04%. The horror! I would also like to point out that Merck VOLUNTARILY pulled the medication when further studies showed higher risk than .04%. You are an utterly clueless dolt! It's bullshit to say tha Vioxx "doubled the risk" if the risk goes to .02% from .01%. Aspirin has higher risk than that! Get a clue!
All the people who are against GM food have forgotten that traditional crops still require pesticides, which is more damaging to the environment than GM crop which don't require pesticides, not to mention the debate on whether pesticides are harmful, so even traditional crop has its drawbacks
Go eat GM pretending youre a little sargeant in a famine because normal food is all gone and youre living in a bunker, ive no problem with that. Youve no fucking idea how harmfull and unnatural GM is, right they use pesticides in traditionaly methods, they should, youre right. But GM's already have pesticides growing in them, and for some reason cancer and allergy rates skyrocketed when GM was introduced in markets. Plus the bee populations went miserably low. I havent seen a bee since 2003.
Lies, LIES, ALL LIES!!!! Splicing the DNA of poisonous frogs with corn plants is not genetic engineering for efficiency! And while we're at it, the chemtrails being sprayed on all of us are not natural stratus/cirrus clouds! Wake up people! The genetic engineering of the world's food sources and the geo-engineering of the world's weather is BULLSH*T! These are all crimes against humanity and we're not gonna look the other way any more!
internalizepeace 1 week ago
if its the best why are you afraid to lable it?
millionairemommy1 3 months ago 5
check out my vid on how Monsanto was born
vazmojno 4 months ago 2
@OptimalElement If 100 people came to a doctor with certain symptoms and they all ate the same GM food it`s easy to consider that GM food as a potential cause. To say millions have eaten GM foods without adverse effects is simply not justified when there is no labeling in place to determine who has even eaten GM foods and like cigarettes there can be long term adverse effects that wouldn`t be reported immediately after GM food consumption.
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement Millions of people can smoke for 10 years and not report adverse effects either. GM foods are not labeled in the U.S.(where most GM foods are consumed) so if I go to a doctor with an illness that could never determine whether or not that illness is caused or contributed to by GM food. If a doctor asks if I smoke I can answer that, if they ask do I eat saturated fat etc. I can answer that, but without a label I can`t answer if I eat GM foods or not.
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi So, all you found was 1 study from London Hygiene which still found organic had higher phosphorus. The other study you gave didn`t even look at nutrition, it looked at pesticide and nitrate levels. Then you claim there are no peer reviewed studies suggesting organic is more nutritious, even though I gave you a dozen peer reviewed review studies that anyone can read themselves. I can`t fix your level of stupidity and your delusions until you stop lying to yourself.
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi Only one study came from the Alternative Medicine Review, most came from reputable journals and all are peer reviewed. I can cherry pick too, London Hygeine nutrition study still found phosphorus was higher for organic and their health study found organic benefited eczema and there were no benefits for anything for conventional. I gave 3 studies published after the London Hygeine studies and 1 was done by the French government`s Food Safety Agency.
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi LMAO! You have serious issues reading don`t you? Your argument was that organic uses more pesticides etc. and you used a quote that said organic has less pesticides but even though it has less its not known whether that would have a health impact because conventional pesticide levels are generally at a safe level. Wow, I just can`t fix your kind of stupid! That same study also suggested organic had higher levels of nutrients and animals had more health benefits eating organic.
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi Thats a dozen peer reviewed review studies to back my claim. There are more, but I am confident that you can`t even find half of that to back your claim that organic food is not more nutritious. If you can not find an equal or greater amount of peer reviewed review studies to back your claim, I trust you will admit the evidence is in favor of organic food being more nutritious than conventional food. If you fail to admit this, well, I just can`t fix that kind of stupid.
myndy86 6 months ago
@myndy86 "One 2010 study commissioned by the British Food Standards Agency found that “there is currently no evidence to support the selection of organic over conventionally produced foods on the basis of nutritional superiority,” and other studies have come to similar conclusions." I don't know what you think you're reading but there is not one single peer-reviewed article showing that organic food is more nutritional. Continue lying to yourself if you wish.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 "Although there is little evidence that organic and conventional foods differ in respect to the concentrations of the various micronutrients (vitamins, minerals and trace elements), there seems to be a slight trend towards higher ascorbic acid content in organically grown leafy vegetables and potatoes." Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought? A review of the evidence.
As I said, I just can't fix your kind of stupid.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 "Organic fruits and vegetables can be expected to contain fewer agrochemical residues than conventionally grown alternatives; yet, the significance of this difference is questionable, inasmuch as actual levels of contamination in both types of food are generally well below acceptable limits." Organic food: buying more safety or just peace of mind? A critical review of the literature.
Again, I can't fix your kind of stupid.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 "Although in vitro studies of organic fruits and vegetables consistently demonstrate that organic foods have greater antioxidant activity, are more potent suppressors of the mutagenic action of toxic compounds, and inhibit the proliferation of certain cancer cell lines, in vivo studies of antioxidant activity in humans have failed to demonstrate additional benefit." That's from one of the studies you linked to.
As I said, I can't fix your kind of stupid.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 "On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods." Nutritional quality of organic foods: a systematic review. Everything I have posted is from pubmed.
As I said, I can't fix your kind of stupid.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 And by the way, not all journals and/or articles on pubmed are, in fact, peer-reviewed. Also, most of the articles you listed were from the "alternative medicine" category which is questionable to begin with as that's mostly homeopathic bullshit. By way of example, the last article I cited came from the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" by far a more reputable source than the "Alternative Medicine Review" articles you've been citing. Again, it's your stupidity I cannot fix.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@captwasabi there is nothing BULLShit about homeopathic foods and herbs. OUr ancestors used them for years, our medicines are made from dirivetives of these natural foods. There are many foods with medicinal value, as long as they haven't been screwed around with. Homeopathic solutions DO work. And myself, I trust a home grown remedy way more than I trust any concoction dreamed and mixed up in a lab by EXTREMELY FALLIBLE HUMAN BEINGS. Try reading some entire articles and not just headlines.
MOM1NATOR 2 days ago
@MOM1NATOR I mean do you really think BIG PHARM and the doctors that they partner with are gonna tell you that asparagus will cure you, when they can sell you some shit that cost 100 a bottle? Get real.
MOM1NATOR 2 days ago
@captwasabi "Organic crops contain fewer nitrates, nitrites and pesticide residues but, as a rule, more dry matter, vitamin C, phenolic compounds, essential amino acids and total sugars than conventional crops. Organic crops also contain statistically more mineral compounds and usually have better sensory and long-term storage qualities." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3000/abstract
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "organic vegetables and fruits most likely contain more of these compounds than conventional ones, allowing for the possibility that organic plant foods may in fact benefit human health more than corresponding conventional ones." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.903/abstract
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "1/organic plant products contain more dry matter and minerals (Fe, Mg); and contain more anti-oxidant micronutrients such as phenols and salicylic acid, 2/organic animal products contain more polyunsaturated fatty acids""4/94-100% of organic food does not contain any pesticide residues,5/organic vegetables contain far less nitrates,about 50% less" agronomy-journal"dot"org/index.php?option=com_article&access-=doi&doi=10.10051/agro/2009019&Itemid=129
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "Organic crops contained significantly more vitamin C, iron, magnesium and phosphorus and significantly less nitrates than conventional crops. There were nonsignificant trends showing less protein but of a better quality and a higher content of nutritionally significant minerals with lower amounts of some heavy metals in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11327522
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "higher nitrate and lower vitamin C contents of conventionally-produced vegetables" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002790 "slight trend towards higher ascorbic acid content in organically grown leafy vegetables and potatoes.""lower protein concentrations but of higher quality in some organic vegetables and cereal crops""animal feeding experiments indicate that animal health and reproductive performance are slightly improved when they are organically fed" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12907407
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses.""The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028 "Ecological food is tastier and contains more essential amino-acids, vitamin C, and micro-nutriments than usual food" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16610189
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "A review of existing literature reveals that organic foods compared to conventionally produced foods seem to have a higher content of antioxidants in plant products and a higher content of fat-soluble vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids in animal products. Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "For individual nutrients, existing studies show that organic fertilization practices produce crops with higher levels of ascorbic acid, lower levels of nitrate, and improved protein quality compared with conventionally grown crops.""Animal studies showed better growth and reproduction in animals fed organically grown feed compared with those fed conventionally grown feed." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9439021
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "Organic crops contain a significantly higher amount of certain antioxidants (vitamin C, polyphenols and flavonoids) and minerals, as well as have higher dry matter content than conventional ones.""there is a lower level of pesticide residues, nitrate and some heavy metal contaminations in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17297755
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "reviews of multiple studies show that organic varieties do provide significantly greater levels of vitamin C, iron, magnesium, and phosphorus than non-organic varieties of the same foods. While being higher in these nutrients, they are also significantly lower in nitrates and pesticide residues.""organic foods typically provide greater levels of important antioxidant pytochemicals (anthocyanins, flavonoids, and carotenoids)." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20359265
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi The 52% of organic farmers don`t use pesticides statistic came from a reference in one the studies I gave you. Organic farmers use mostly biological pest control such as crop cover, crop rotation, predatory insects etc. instead of pesticides. The huge majority of peer reviewed review studies suggest organic food IS more nutritious/healthier than conventional food. I challenge you to find as many peer reviewed review studies to back up your claim as I can to back up mine.
myndy86 6 months ago
im guessing this video has so many dislikes because it talked about facts and basic science instead of hippy propaganda, some people simply dont want to actually learn something.
MutantNinjaFly 7 months ago
@kaltrushify Genetic modification is not the same as cross or selective breeding. No matter how much you try to breed a dog and a cat together you will never be able to with cross or selective breeding, but you can insert dog dna into a cat with genetic modification.
myndy86 8 months ago
@kaltrushify Most studies suggest organic can feed the world now and in the future! Read some yourself. srfood.org/images/stories/pdf/press_releases/20110308_agroecology-report-pr_en.pdf
unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
ifad.org/evaluation/public_html/eksyst/doc/thematic/organic/execsum.htm
myndy86 8 months ago
MOst of the commentators have got no fucking clue about biology or how things really work. There is no "natural" food in the supermarcet. All of it is genetically modified through breeding...maybe we could just all go back to eating mini small potatoes, maize ect. Can you really find big , delicious fruits and vegetables that are not breeded. Because everything that is breeded is certainly not natural. The food we eat today doesnt look the way nature intened it to be.
kaltrushify 9 months ago
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I heard of someone is Seattle that was extremely exited the buy this wonderful seeds from MS he, is very rich of course.
Sure those tomatoes look great and taste like fish yummy. If you are supporting MS please dig a little and study the consequences of transforming genetically anything. The natural way for the pollen to move around have been affected in many parts of the world that a fact and this is courtesy of MS Son of B.
shugar5263 9 months ago
Type "Millions Against Monsanto Campaign 2011" in the youtube search, to find out more about rallies throughout the U.S. on 3/26/11 to get genetically engineered/modified organisms labeled.
myndy86 10 months ago
@ capt wasabi
If you've helped thousands of people enjoy better health without drugs, then you've certainly understood the importance of purity of blood and diet.
Dr. Wong trained me that kidney disease is the worst death in the hospital. So when I read scientists' conclusions that GMO are suggested to "induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity", I get concerned
GMOs also contain a recently discovered micro fungus ( visible under electron microscope) deemed detrimental to plants and animals.
mavayu 10 months ago
@ capt wasabi "In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted... the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs...cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others [4]. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity. "
That penultimate word means your liver / kidneys which keep your blood pure
We <3 blood
mavayu 10 months ago
Biology professor Bela Darvas of Hungary‘s Debrecen University discovered that Monsanto’s Mon 810 corn is lethal to two Hungarian protected species and one insect classified as rare. Now Monsanto refuses to give Darvas any more Mon 810 to use in his studies.
They also refused his request for Mon 863, another GM variety.
So, not only has MON 810 been shown to cause serious damage to animals, but it may also wipe out protected plant and insect species.
mavayu 10 months ago
There will be protests regarding genetic engineering/modification throughout the U.S. on 3/26/11
Go to "Rally for the Right to Know" on facebook, for more information.
Go to the "organicconsumers" website to sign petitions.
myndy86 10 months ago
I have a running challenge to all GMO advocates. I would love to run a little spin off of the "super-size me" documentary. but, instead call it "genetically modify me." and, we could take two groups, set one on an organic, natural, whole food diet and set the other into a GMO buffet. I would love to see some humans brave enough to do that. and i would love to see proof of all of the benefits reaped by consuming naturally. so, any of you advocates down? wouldn't be too hard to find funding!
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
everyone interested in taking action towards the labeling of genetically modified foods, rally. educate. protest. and buy food labeled non-gmo.
There is a rally this Saturday, March 26th across the nation.
We're fighting against a multi-national corporation. We can use all of the help we can get!!
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
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There will be protests regarding genetic engineering/modification throughout the u.s. on 3/26/11.
Please see the "Rally for the Right to Know" facebook page, for more info.
Petitions can be signed at the "organicconsumers" website.
myndy86 10 months ago
It's regular food. We just happen to have more knowledge of how to produce better food now. Humankind has been producing ever better qualities of food for thousands of years. We simply found a way to do it faster.
Did you know so-called "organic" food is much more dangerous than genetically modified food? It's true. Get a biology degree so you can understand the science!
KidsandKarma 1 year ago
@KidsandKarma Actually no. Regular food is enhanced by what is known as conventional breeding.
GMO is gene transplants from one species to another. e.g. fish to tomato.We have no idea of the outcome. GMO crop feeding caused stomach bleeding in rats, reproductive failure in chickens and pigs, premature deaths in cows and other animals..these are farmers' reports. Watch "Hidden dangers GMO foods"
I don't want to be a guinea pig. GMO may cause cancer or sterility. Read "Seed of Destruction"
elbanydaer 11 months ago
@KidsandKarma If organic food is more dangerous, then why do most studies suggest organically fed animals live longer, have less degenerative disease, better reproductive ability etc. than conventionally fed animals? "Animal studies showed better growth and reproduction in animals fed organically grown feed compared with those fed conventionally grown feed." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9439021
myndy86 6 months ago
@KidsandKarma "Animal studies (among them, on rabbits and chickens) show higher fertility and less morbidity in animals fed organically." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15195159 "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses.""The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20355028
myndy86 6 months ago
Yeah and it's not just food that it's being done to it's us too. Wake up people and start taking control of your life.
tropical481 1 year ago
we do this with marijuana. how convenient
larry89 1 year ago
My God, it's like everything we touch we destroy.
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103ipc 1 year ago
I think the Precautionary Principle should be employed. There might be benefits but how can we know all the negative effects that could emerge? We've experienced this repeatedly in science... the idea that if we've tested for a brief time, we're safe altering what evolution took millions of years to get right. So now we have thalidomide and DES defects, problems with pollinators and GM crops, pesticides in animal tissue (ours) and water tables. Let's rewrite science ethics to regard life.
ohanawanna 1 year ago
@ohanawanna All food is genetically modified. Evolution did not take millions of years to get it right. Humans took a few thousand years to genetically modify wild organisms through selective breeding. We chose those genes we wanted by breeding to enrich for the desirable and deplete the undesirable genes. It's the slower version of GM. Nowadays, we simply insert the gene via recombination rather than breed the genes we want into the gene pool.
EpigeneticEngineer 1 year ago
@EpigeneticEngineer Selective breeding is nothing to do with Genetically Modifying. Injecting genes can have unexpected consequences.
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ohanawanna 1 year ago
Its important to distinguish traditional selective breeding from genetic engineering.The biotech industry has often stated the two as being similar,to reassure people of the "safety" of GMOs,but it is false.
IwontConform 1 year ago 5
@IwontConform And youre not going to tell anyone WHY that is?
grendelee 7 months ago
@IwontConform
And why would you considered genetically modified plants to be dangerous?
OptimalElement 7 months ago
@OptimalElement "D. magna fed GM-maize showed a significantly reduced fitness performance: The mortality was higher, a lower proportion of females reached sexual maturation, and the overall egg production was lower compared to D. magna fed UM isogenic maize.""The combination of a reduced fitness performance combined with earlier onset of reproduction of D. magna fed Bt-maize indicates a toxic effect rather than a lower nutritional value of the GM-maize." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347840'
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "We observed that after the consumption of MON863""Chemistry measurements reveal signs of hepatorenal toxicity""Triglycerides increased by 24-40% in females (either at week 14, dose 11% or at week 5, dose 33%, respectively); urine phosphorus and sodium excretions diminished in males by 31-35% (week 14, dose 33%)""with the present data it cannot be concluded that GM corn MON863 is a safe product." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/17356802?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "Animal toxicity studies with certain GM foods have shown that they may toxically affect several organs and systems.""The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18989835
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters)." enveurope"dot"com/content/23/1 /10
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "GM-fed mice of all ages considered, the number of perichromatin granules is higher and the nuclear pore density lower.""we found enlargements in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum in GM-fed mice Sertoli cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15718213 "our data suggest that GM soybean intake can influence hepatocyte nuclear features in young and adult mice" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12441651
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "Several proteins belonging to hepatocyte metabolism, stress response, calcium signalling and mitochondria were differentially expressed in GM-fed mice, indicating a more marked expression of senescence markers in comparison to controls. Moreover, hepatocytes of GM-fed mice showed mitochondrial and nuclear modifications indicative of reduced metabolic rate. This study demonstrates that GM soybean intake can influence some liver features" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18648843
myndy86 6 months ago
@OptimalElement "This indicates that GM soy protein intake affected pancreas function, evidenced by the early acute PAP mRNA increased levels and pancreas cellular changes followed by recuperation of acinar cells after 30 days." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.1319/abstract
"The GM-fed D. magna had lower survival (lx) than the UM-fed D. magna throughout the experiment" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811247/
myndy86 6 months ago
@myndy86
The key is to be able to modify plants correctly. Introducing new genes can make plant better or worse. GMO can bring good benefits but it must be carefully regulated and undergo certain trials.
Take pharmaceuticals for example, and how society benefits. But then I can bring same argument saying pharmaceuticals are dangerous and harmful and can be very toxic, and YES they can be. For this reason clinical trials are conducted. Surely similar system can be developed for GMOs?
OptimalElement 6 months ago
@OptimalElement The clinical trials would have to be more thorough for GMOs than they are for pharmaceuticals because GMOs are living organisms and can change through recombination etc. It's possible for the level of regulation to ensure GMO health safety to exist, but at this point it doesn't. The precautionary principle should be used for GMOs until each GMO is found to be overwhelmingly safe and even then constant follow-up health safety testing should be conducted due to recombination etc.
myndy86 6 months ago
@myndy86
Then time and money should be spent working towards that. But despite that, millions of people consume GMOs today without any ill health reports.
OptimalElement 6 months ago
fuck gmo y r u fucking with what nature has given us
visualkeirockstar 1 year ago
Boycott all inorganic food!!!
whyyesyes 1 year ago 5
@whyyesyes No, gmo is just as nutritious as organics, use less land, use safer pesticides (shocking no?), and are less likely to carry E. Coli.
zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 1 year ago
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 1) the majority of gm foods have bacterias, viruses and gold in them... the very things that were used to permeate the cellular wall. those things are not nutritious, or even healthy, to consume. 2) they do not use less land. and monoagriculture is one of the most depletive, unnatural processes for the soil. 3) these pesticides that you say are so safe have caused many negative health responses.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@sonjaspinarski Way to respond to an 8 month old post. I personally don't care, I'm perfectly healthy and I eat GMO. Good day.
zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 10 months ago
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz the lovely thing about posting things is that they don't disappear after 8 months just because your interest in a topic does. sorry you're not interested in the topic any longer. its an important one. best of luck with your GMO consumption. :)
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz "Cows mainly fed with hay generate less than 1 % of the E. coli found in the faeces of grain-fed animals.""It can be concluded that organic farming potentially reduces the risk of E. coli infection." fao.org/docrep/meeting/X4983e.htm#c2 "E. coli prevalence in certified organic produce was 4.3%, a level not statistically different from that in conventional samples. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15151224
myndy86 6 months ago
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz GM USES MORE LAND THAN ORGANIC!! Gm requires both refuges and buffer zones and organic does not. "Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods"" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
myndy86 6 months ago
@zzzIdividedbyzerozzz Some GM crops have decreased levels of nutrients. "An overall reduction in phytoestrogen levels of 12-14% was observed in the genetically altered soybean strains" liebertonline"dot"com/doi/abs/10.1089/jmf.1998.1.241
Most peer reviewed review studies suggest organic has more nutrients than conventional. Since GM foods can have less nutrients than conventional and organic food generally has more nutrients than conventional, organic is generally more nutritious than GM.
myndy86 6 months ago
@myndy86 Yeah, I don't give a shit, good try though.
zzzIdividedbyzerozzz 6 months ago
@whyyesyes Why? You're not one of those fools who thinks organic food is actually better, are you?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi There have been plenty of independent studies that found that lab rats developed liver and kidney cancer from eating gmo food. Are you one of those fools who trusts the government?
whyyesyes 1 year ago
@whyyesyes "Plenty of studies" or just one? If you are talking about the work conducted by Dr. Arpad Pusztai that was a decade ago and the potatoes never made it into the reach of the public. All this does is confirm that the system works to protect us and that you are a fool.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Bwa haha!!!!!!! I guess the GMO food you ate have alreay damaged your critical thinking. I pitty you!!!!
zigyzigy13 1 year ago
@zigyzigy13 And I pity anyone who dismisses anything that can save a life without actually bothering to review facts. Morons who instead allow irrational fear and bullshit arguments to weight on their decisions instead of facts do not deserve even a seconds worth of attention. You're a moron. Of the highest order. As are all of your ilk who would refuse others life sustaining food because of your own ignorance. Begone ignorant child.
captwasabi 1 year ago
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@captwasabi And I pity anyone who dismisses anything that can save a life>Bwaaaaaaaa hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!! You mean to DESTROY LIFE??? Ge hahahaaaaa!!!!! without actually bothering to review facts> Ga hahahaaa!!!!! The facts that were manipulated by the government and the corporations!!!
zigyzigy13 1 year ago
@zigyzigy13 Unless you have any proof of that claim shut the fuck up.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Ga hahaha!!!! But you also don't have the proof that the GMO is healthy do you!!!!! You are a very very sad person who can't face the trut. I pitty you!!! Bwa ha!!!
zigyzigy13 1 year ago
@captwasabi
It boils down to this - PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT!
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy On what basis do you make that claim? Just considering all the misinformation and outright lies out there promoted by groups that oppose GMO foods it's highly unlikely that many people are even able to make informed decisions. The Sierra Club openly lied to the leaders of Zaire about the non-existent dangers of GMO corn. This resulted in a nation with some of the high amounts of starving people refusing tonnes of food that would other wise save them. Is that a good thing?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
Its funny how you think GM is to save the starving, when GM is most widely used in the FATTEST country on the planet - USA.
India tested GM aubergines & they lead to liver damage. They don't want it.
All I ask is for them to label it honestly.
If they wanted to save the starving, they could do it now. There is no lack of food in the world.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy You're right. There is no lack of food, just a lack of arable land. As for your claim of liver damage caused by GM aubergines that is, as expected, incorrect. These claims were floated by Greenpeace and the Sierra Club despite an utter and complete lack of scientific data. And GM foods were designed to help feed starving people. Maybe you should do some research conducted by actual scientists and not propoganda driven organizations such as Greenpeace and Sierra Club.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
"We shouldn't be a part of a system that will destroy traditional seeds and crops and allow multinational corporations to infringe on the agriculture sector".
I agree.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Are you implying that quote was something I said? I most certainly did not say that.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi You lot are already shagged with all the hydrogenated, mono diglycderides, glucose syrup you eat - all which are legal, all which are bad for the heart, liver, cause diabetes etc. Why not add a bit of GM to the pot?
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Ok, so you've gone from trying to find something wrong with GM foods specifically to now attempting to say our entire food structure is somehow wrong. Way to abandon your case. Buhbye!
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
Your entire food structure is somehow wrong.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy What the fuck are you talking about? You've gone from making scientifically ambiguious statements to out right lies that are easily to disproven and now you're just babbling.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
So now you're defending the other horrors your people put into hundreds of foods in your supermarkets (and mine), infact its hard to avoid them unless you cook like a '50's housewife.
Just shows we can't believe what you spout. Tut tut.
Plus, you have an anger problem - maybe something in your diet.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Who exactly are "my people"? just for comparison, in the 1950's the average lifespan was 68.1 years. The current life expectancy is no 78.1 years. That's quite an improvement so again, what the fuck are you talking about? Lastly, I have no anger here. I'm just confused as fuck because you are apparently unable to formulate a rational, fact-based thought.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi This generation is not going to live as long. And we're not just talking about mortality, but morbidity as well. How much is the pharmaceutical business worth? Do you swear at people face to face? Or just in writing?
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy You still haven't answered who "my people" are and you have no fucking clue how long this generation is going to live. Modern science and technology has to potential to extend the human life span exponentially. Who cares how much the pharma business is worth? They're the one's helping to keep us alive. And I curse at anyone who promotes ideas as increadibly fucking stupid as yours.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
1 in 3 americans getting cancer, diabetes & heart disease higher than ever before, yes we sure need the pharma industry, that's my point.
Why the problem with me saying 'your people' . I only meant the food industry & fda in the US, what did you THINK I meant????? Are you part of an organisation or something.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Soceity needs Pharmaceuticals for the reason our foods due to genetic modification causes cancers, and other illnesses because Monsanto is manipulating nature and inserting genes that do not naturally belong into our foods. If we stoped GM Foods like European countries we would have less ilness. Until them we need to support Organice Farmers and Organic stores.
tzaich 1 year ago
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@mississhippy Soceity needs Pharmaceuticals for the reason our foods due to genetic modification causes cancers, and other illnesses because Monsanto is manipulating nature and inserting genes that do not naturally belong into our foods. If we stoped GM Foods like European countries we would have less ilness. Until the we need to support Organice Farmers and Organic stores.
tzaich 1 year ago
@captwasabi
And the people in charge of the food allow it. And they do all they can not to label it. That is my point.
mississhippy 1 year ago
@captwasabi
We now have GMO corn, soy, canola, tomatoes, zucchini, papaya, cotton seed and more. Are people no longer starving?
There is no lack of food only a lack of love for all humanity.
elbanydaer 11 months ago
@elbanydaer The only problem with your argument is that the places that need GM foods the most are the places most likely to not let it in. Greenpeace waged a major propoganda war in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo) against the planned donation of tonnes of GM corn. Zaire has an epidemic where over 50% of their population is starving. The deaths of millions are on the hands of idiots who argue against GM foods from a point of ignorance.
captwasabi 11 months ago
@captwasabi
No argument. Simply asking questions. Thank you for your answer.
I am not so sure that all people who disagree with GMO are idiots. We should not be too quick to judge. The majority of Europeans refuse it. Take a look at what farmers have experienced after feeding their animals GMO crops. It may surprise you. We have to be very careful not to simply agree and repeat what very powerful concerns with millions for PR promulgate as truth or facts.
elbanydaer 11 months ago
@elbanydaer Agreed but in all honesty, a good 95% of what I come across here on YT regarding GMO foods is pure, unadulterated asshattery so I often lump a lot of the talking heads into the the "idiots" column.
captwasabi 11 months ago
@captwasabi
Well, you could always rethink that. There is no harm in looking at what those people are concerned about. They may have legitimate concerns. Besides, there is no harm in erring on the side of nature. But that is just my Weltanschauung and is not meant to persuade anyone.
elbanydaer 11 months ago
@elbanydaer Erring on the side of nature? Nature is bullshit my friend and will kill you dead in a heartbeat if given a chance. Antiseptics and antibiotics are used to beat nature back. Nature does not cooperate nor is it democratic. The list of wild plants that would kill you dead are legion but through centuries of selective breeding we have built up a wide vairety of useable foodstuffs. Besides, most people are just here to piss and moan from a point of utter ignorance.
captwasabi 11 months ago
@captwasabi
I understand your position.
elbanydaer 11 months ago
@captwasabi these GM foods haven't been tested enough... and DEFINITELY haven't proven to be healthy to the planet or consumers. there is no benefit of sending out GM foods that are going to destroy populations, biodiversity, the soil and waterways of starving countries. That includes ours. If you want to save countries, educate them. Not on monoagricultural practices, and how to apply toxic herbicides, insecticides and pesticides. On how to farm, build, and heal.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@sonjaspinarski First you say that the foods have not been tested enough then you say that the GM foolds are going to destroy populations. No only are you utterly clueless you are also utterly biased. Also, if you are so concerned with the use of herbicides, insecticides and pesticides then I'm sure you are equally opposed to organic farming as this type of farming uses far more of these materials over conventional farming. Read some, gain some knowledge then come back.
captwasabi 10 months ago
@captwasabi gain some knowledge?!? coming from someone promoting GMOs, i don't think I'm the one that needs to gain some knowledge. Many independent studies have been done that prove there are many harmful effects in using GMOs in the diet. THESE GM foods that are currently being dispersed will, without any containment, destroy populations. Populations of people, insects, plants and animals. Without further testing of these GM concepts in our food, we're being used as the guinea pigs.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@sonjaspinarski Name one peer-reviewed study? Again with the wild claim that GMO's will destroy populations which is pure and utter bullshit. And as for organic farming numerous studies have shown that organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water and land to produce the same crop yield and requires the use of far more "organic" pesticides which are far less efficient. You are a fucking idiot if you think nature provides. Agriculture and husbandry provides you moron.
captwasabi 10 months ago
@captwasabi wild claim that GMOs will destroy populations?!? they are. currently. do YOUR research. check out extinctions of species related to GMOs and round-up ready seeds. and, the majority of these studies supporting biotech firms and industrial agriculture have been done by the FDA and USDA. fortunately, for those studies, the FDA/USDA and those biotech firms share many of the same employees. independent studies show very negative results. institute for responsible technology.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@captwasabi oh. and, thousands of years of living off of the land without the last few decades of the "green revolution" has done plenty for the entire population of the world. i don't know if you're aware of how long humans and other species have graced this earth, but its been going on for quite some time. and nature has provided. in fact, there are organic systems that are still standing tall and are accomplishing plenty. i'm an idiot if i think nature provides? sad statement, pal.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@captwasabi and the whole "utter bullshit", "fucking idiot", and "moron" thing are pretty ridiculous. credibility comes with maturity. you should relax a bit.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@sonjaspinarski Wrong. Credibility comes with presenting facts. You hint to bullshit conspiracies and other nonsensical bullshit to prove your stories. And what you are refering to as supporting humanity for thousands of years is NOT nature. That's agriculture and husbandry you idiotic buffoon. Organic farming is wholly insufficient to feeds the worlds population. End of fucking story.
captwasabi 10 months ago
@captwasabi
John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002." December 17, 2002
"Mortality in Sheep Flocks after Grazing on Bt Cotton Fields—Warangal District, Andhra Pradesh" Report of the Preliminary Assessment, April 2006
mavayu 10 months ago
@mavayu We're you trying to help my argument? You do realize that the 13 Week study you cited shows there to be no difference between an GM diet and a conventional diet, right? "The response of rats fed either 11 or 33% w/w corn event MON863 in the diet was comparable to rats fed [conventional] diets..."
Thanks!
captwasabi 10 months ago
@captwasabi "organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water and land to produce the same crop yield" Come on, you can't be serious. ""Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods"" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi "organic foods have zero additional nutritional value, require more water" Require more water, you're joking? Farming Systems Trial at Rodale Institute. In 1999 during one of the worst droughts on record, yields of organic soybeans were 30 bushels/acre compared to only 16 bushels/acre from conventionally grown soybeans. "studies point to environmental advantages for organic farming practices with respect to""e) conserving water" nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/Bu yOrganicFoodsD.shtml
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi ... and organic farming does not use NEARLY as toxic of methods. There are farms out there that are using traditional methods of herbicides, insecticides, and pesticides. The best part about nature is that nature provides these things. there are certain plants that certain insects don't like, certain soil that repels certain animals, and in the same way that some things in nature repel, others attract. Its the natural process, and why biodiversity is so detrimental.
sonjaspinarski 10 months ago
@captwasabi "Organically grown foods consistently had about one-third as many residues as conventionally grown foods""Conventionally grown and IPM/NDR samples were also far more likely to contain multiple pesticide residues than were organically grown samples. Comparison of specific residues on specific crops found that residue concentrations in organic samples were consistently lower than in the other two categories, across all three data sets." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12028642
myndy86 6 months ago
@captwasabi 52% of organic farmers do not use any pesticides whatsoever and those that do generally use significantly less than most conventional farmers. "organic produce carries significantly fewer pesticide residues than conventional produce." nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/faq/BuyOrganicFoodsC.shtml
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captwasabi 6 months ago
@myndy86 I have no idea where you get this insane 52% from but it's pure bullshit. All farming requires the use of pesticides, either synthetic or natural. Any farm that does not use pesticides will soon be out of business. But hey, if you want to pay more for food that is nutritionally indistinguishable from conventionally grown farm crops well, I just can't fix that kind of stupid.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@whyyesyes
Easy for a Europenan or american to say. Organic food cant feed the entire popluation on earth the way it is now, let alone in the future. Get real!!
kaltrushify 9 months ago
@whyyesyes herpoo derpoo
TheChosenTroll 8 months ago
@whyyesyes have fun hunting and foraging in the forest
TheChosenTroll 8 months ago
We shouldnt go far with GMO's although they are the future and will save lives but can also harm.I'm not too confident with eating them but im not a hippie
hhamor 1 year ago
@hhamor you're perfectly fine to eat them. You've been eating modified foods all your life. Wild tomatoes are poisonous but domesticated ones, which have been specifically breed over countless generations are perfectly safe. don't let the hysteria get to you.
captwasabi 1 year ago
Your stomach acids will dissolve the modified DNA sequence into it's four bases, Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine, and Thymine. Just because they are in a different order does not mean they are bad for you.
FrontalTraction 1 year ago
It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
GM foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (scientists who are working to promote the corporate agenda) which implies prematureness and its associated dangers including haste for commercial exploitation of genetic engineering.
johnlyris 1 year ago
@johnlyris
>>It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
>>GM foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (scientists who
>>are working to promote the corporate agenda)
It is all seems remarkable and there is the temptation of acceptance towards
organic foods, until you realize that this a commercial enterprise (Trader Joes, for example, an organic food chain that runs a non-union shop and pulls in revenues of 4.5 billion annually.)
scourfish 1 year ago
@scourfish Also, organic foods are no more or less nutritious than conventionally grown foods and organic growing required more land and water to be used in order to produce the same amount of food. More over, while ogranic growning eschews the use of the more efficient petroleum based pesticides it does still use pesticides. In fact, organic growing requires the use of more tonnes of pesticides than conventional framing. Lastly, organic grown foods are more expensive. Organic sucks.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@johnlyris I fail to see where you get this claim from. Science for profit has driven almost all of the major and minor scientific advances that have made you life better. You think Jonas Salk worked purely for the betterment of mankind? Commercialism is the force that makes your life better day by day whether those advances be in science, technology or a thousand other areas. Competition breeds improvement.
captwasabi 1 year ago
So are the Potato genes altered to grow bigger than its primitive cousins? And is potato a GM food? sorry for my small knowledge on this...
burnmage1994 1 year ago
The food to be considered separately from the people is a big misconception. The genetic information of food crops is the information needed by each of our body cells. Body cells are not rigid. They consume themselves and be replaced. Because stem cells. A stem cell can form any cell type. Brain cells, heart cells, blood cells and so on. GM food will mess up this information order. And you transfer all rights to the company. For example, Monsanto.
Lightfromsirius 1 year ago
@Lightfromsirius What the fuck are you talking about? This is some of the most incredibly misinformed bullshit I have ever read. What peer-reviewed study shows that GMO foods will interfere with stem cells?
captwasabi 1 year ago
lies...the scientific discourse is not trustworthy...it serves private interests. It is easy to turn science into a fairy tale....yet people die from patented corruption of nature.
permacultureli 1 year ago
>>lies...the scientific discourse is not
>>trustworthy...it serves private interests.
lies... the organic discourse is not trustworthy...it serves private interests: The organic farmers, a $20 billion/year industry that is looking out for it's bottom line and not your health, no different that any other corporation.
scourfish 1 year ago
@scourfish ..nature and life are not about money.
Economics have been gravely misunderstood in human
culture. That is our downfall.
permacultureli 1 year ago
@permacultureli No. the development of economics and economoic systems is one of the most important vehicles for the overall betterment of humanity as a whole. Seriously, where the hell do you get this stupidity? By having a uniified system of money we are able to ensure that prices remain relativly uniform acorss great expanses. would you prefer instead a barter system?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@permacultureli Science is not trustworthy? Are you fucking mental? Science cured polio. OVER FUCKING NIGHT! If you're too young to know what that hell was like go ask your grandparents. I'm sure they would love to regale you with stories of wards filled to the rafters with hundreds of people dying from that disease. The list of maladies that have vanished because of science is legion and you would just do away with it. Where does ignroance of your caliber spring from?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Oh...i believe in science, it is supremely useful, key to progress...yet I totally agree...actually..about science...but I feel the kind of science that cures should not become the same kind of out of control scheme as the food industry that provides it with patients....or the kind of government that is bough out by both industries. You do have a tendency to call people stupid, though...not a very intelligent attitude. I do the same..by the way.
permacultureli 1 year ago
@captwasabi Tests have shown rats eating GM food develop kidnay and liver disease. Is that OK with you?
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Absolutley. I'm not a rat. 1st, rats are used simply because they are mammals and they reproduce incredibly fast. It's not like they are tested because their digestive (liver) and excretory (kidney) systems are identical in both rats and humans. It's simply because they are mammals and there is an abundant supply of them. Also, in these studies the rats are often feed extremely high doses. Until they show the same effects in humans I'm fine eating GMO foods.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
They use rats because things effect their liver in the same way as ours.
Also, babies of clones are not the same as natural animals. Its not OK to me to have been lied to! It has been all over the newspapers in the UK that these animals were sneaked into our food chain.
You keep eating the GMO.
mississhippy 1 year ago
Americans seem content to watch TV and let Monsanto and the Government tell them what they have to eat.
Monsanto and our elected representatives - those who are supposed to honor and protect us - obviously don't want us to know that we are eating GMO's. We are Monsanto's guinea pigs.
Take back the control over what you eat. Take action NOW, TODAY. If it is not labeled GMO-Free or if it is not organic, don't pay your hard earned money for it.
TeaselGold 1 year ago
@TeaselGold Another fucking moron. In the US no GM food can be introduced into the food supply without stringent review from the FDA, USDA and EPA. All of these studies and reviews can easily be obtained via a FOIA request so to even suggest that there is some great conspiracy is lunacy in the extreme. and organic costs more idiot.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi
Don't be so naiive. We have been eating CLONED cows in the UK, because it has been purposely slipped through without our knowledge. You think we should trust the labelling?????
mississhippy 1 year ago
@mississhippy Again, you are wrong. There were two bulls found to have been born from a cow cloned in the US. So the meat wasn't cloned you idiot.
captwasabi 1 year ago
Monsanto fights against mandatory labeling in the USA because they know that a lot more consumers will not buy that food. And that is what repeated consumer polls show.
It is incredible what we let Monsanto do to our food supply - unbelievable that we have been that stupid, that asleep! Because of cross-pollination, corn and soybeans in this country are probably wrecked forever, but we can still save most other crops.
3Toad3 1 year ago 20
@3Toad3 Many customers don't want that food despite all the studies and care that goes into creating the GE foods. I'm guessing the lies and distortions told by crackpots who don't have a clue as to how GE foods can save lives is working.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@3Toad3
it also makes side effects virtually untraceable and unprovable... so Monsanto continues to be irresponsible.
“Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech
food...Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its
safety is the FDA’s job”
--Phil Angell, director of corporate communications, Monsanto
TheMarkAGordonEpic 1 year ago
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@3Toad3 do your part, spread organic heirloom food seed far and wide, its called "johnny appleseed economics" or "gorrila gardens", spread more organic food than GMO and you will water down the effects and if everyone becomes self suffcient at their homes it will stop GMO right in its tracks, if there is enough people it will save our food system, thats how you win! wake up everyone, do your part if u are angry, get seed and make a organic revolution your way.
boxa888 1 year ago
@3Toad3
So how do we know if food is genetically modified or not if they aren't required to label them? And what do we do to save our food supply and stop them from GM'ing more foods?
ryguy2598 11 months ago
@XtremeGoose
you can google this:
"A study published in the International Journal of Biological Sciences demonstrates the toxicity of three genetically modified corn varieties from the American seed company Monsanto, the Committee for Independent Research and Information on Genetic Engineering (Criigen, based in Caen), which participated in that study, announced Friday, December 11."
Prahlad39 1 year ago
Let's not forget about the poison GMO potatos. How about the GMO tryptophan that sickened and killed so many people. Then the whores at FDA blamed it on the real tryptophan and banned it. I tire of arrogant $cientists that only care about $, pride and screwing things up. $cience told us DDT was safe. How about Vioxx, oops. Or diethylstilbesterol, oops. How many people have to suffer and die because arrogant $cientists that want to contaminate everything good that God gave us?
ckfarm 1 year ago
@ckfarm you're a fucking idiot. God gave us leprosy. Wanna go hang out with a leper or would you rather have the cure? Would you like to live in an iron lung for the rest of your live ofr would you rather have the cure for polio? You're a raving lunatic who takes the rare occasion and makes it the norm. There are hundreds of thousands of scientists who do the right thing day in and day out yet you are willing to rate them all as guilty. You're an incredible bigot.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi "the rare occasion" LOL!!! Keep raving FOOL! Boo Hoo. The screams of lunacy from the status quo crowd are going to become deafening as we replace $cience with real, healthy alternatives. You sound like someone who has a lot at stake as the "merchants of the Earth" are eliminated. $, pride, ??? HA-HA! Poor baby! You choose contamination, greed, lust, sickness, and death. I choose health, vitality, clean farming, etc. You sound like Monsanto's bitch. Pull your head out and wake up!
ckfarm 1 year ago
@ckfarm Keep raving fuckstick. You're just one of those moronic idiots who knows nothing and yet continues to rail against science despite that fact that it improves your life. You do realize that most cultivated vegetables are the result of the scientific process of selective crossbreeding over hundreds of years right assmuncher? Morons like you amuse me so.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@ckfarm And as for Vioxx, I highly suggest you actually bother getting educated on that case. Initial studies did find 4 fold increase risk in heart attack. That took the .01% chance to .04%. The horror! I would also like to point out that Merck VOLUNTARILY pulled the medication when further studies showed higher risk than .04%. You are an utterly clueless dolt! It's bullshit to say tha Vioxx "doubled the risk" if the risk goes to .02% from .01%. Aspirin has higher risk than that! Get a clue!
captwasabi 1 year ago
All the people who are against GM food have forgotten that traditional crops still require pesticides, which is more damaging to the environment than GM crop which don't require pesticides, not to mention the debate on whether pesticides are harmful, so even traditional crop has its drawbacks
socceroo117 2 years ago 3
Go eat GM pretending youre a little sargeant in a famine because normal food is all gone and youre living in a bunker, ive no problem with that. Youve no fucking idea how harmfull and unnatural GM is, right they use pesticides in traditionaly methods, they should, youre right. But GM's already have pesticides growing in them, and for some reason cancer and allergy rates skyrocketed when GM was introduced in markets. Plus the bee populations went miserably low. I havent seen a bee since 2003.
Legolasas26 2 years ago