Here's something to think about: you all keep saying "But the bible is so old, and we are smarter now". this is in contradiction to uninformatarianism: The past is the key to the future. i hope u all realize how inconsistent that is with your entire worldview
Here's something to think about: you all keep saying "But the bible is so old, and we are smarter now". this is in contradiction to uninformatarianism: The past is the key to the future. i hope u all realize how inconsistent that is with your entire worldview
All the assertions in this video are logically correct! However, as a creationist, I feel it is important to say;
(a) As soon as someone says they know how we came to be (creationism,evolutionism, or any other theory), we know that it ceases to become observable science and becomes a belief.
(b) Please don't judge all creationists by the way Christianity is portrayed in the media. Whether it's the Westborough Baptist Church, or the pop-culture stuff, it does make us look like ignorant idiots.
@GothikBeerTV Not so much for Evolutionism as it's based on evidence (fossils, homosapiens,carbon dating) and years of studies. Christianity is a belief as people know that the stories in the Bible might not be true but they have faith in it. In this case, for science, evolution have been taught in schools, are you saying that's a belief...Also, there're other things that's not observable, such as formation of a cave, people have not seen it as it takes millions of years, means it's a belief?
@miyavizim this is called: religion. basically you're saying: "BECAUSE WE ARE EVOLUTIONISTS AND YOU ARE CREATIONISTS, AND BECAUSE WE TEACH IT, ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS IT IS DUMB!"
@GothikBeerTV the belief makes you look like an idiot not the media typical for you to blame someone else listen believing an invisible man in the sky is granting wishes defys the laws of probability and judges you day after day makes you look like an ignorant idiot not the media you dont need to look no farther and evolutionism doesent become a belief a fact is fact a theory stands as fuck till disprooven there was a creationist scientist who tryed to proove the adam and eve
@GothikBeerTV This should become one of the Top Ten Arguments "judge us not by our fundamentalist groups" NO. SCREW YOU. You religious people are the most intolerant lot alive and I'm sick and tired of being branded intolerant as an atheist. You think I'm wrong, you think I'll go to hell, you think I'm ignorant, but when I say the same thing about you, it's religious persecution. Screw you. Your religions are the cause of wars and killings. Atheist and proud of it.
@geyza0711 I Do!, ted even makes his face known to southerners and anally probes them! They have seen him but do not heed his warnings. May ted be with you my friend.
@geyza0711 well then I apologize. Sarcasm is hard to detect in writing, especially when there are so many stupid people out there. I say sorry good sir.
I'd like to believe that God created the universe and that the only way we see his work is through the science we've been practicing for eons. A being of subtlety and ironic communication. By the way, showed the vid. to my mom, totally pissed! Thanks Thinking Atheist!
I'm writing a holy book to my new religion. I'm hoping to spread ignorance just like those ancient Semites started doing 3000 years ago. Maybe in 3000 years it'll have a large following.
well in my pet theory, the big bang is a smaller bang than we let on. We can only see so much of the universe, and when there is space, even as much space as our 'outer' space, the big bang theory does work, but the hold in the god gap, is that it was our big bang, and other systems ,farther away had theirs.
an alternative theory in the same stance, is that we live as microbes ourselves, and the universe is small, and vast at once. we live on an atom of an organism, much larger than ourselves
Every video from this channel has arguments in the comments tat go something like this, Guy 1 Where's the evidence? why should I respect and be subject to your rules when I don't see any proof? Guy 2 It's written right here!!!! Guy 1 You're a dumbass Guy 2 You will burn for eternity spawn of SATAN!!!!!!!
Pascal's Wager: Oh come on, you could have done better than simply saying it's the coward's way out. What about the bit where if you choose the WRONG god to believe in, you're still screwed? 50/50 chance you're right if you choose not to believe, but what are the odds that you just happened to pick the *correct* god to believe in if you choose to "play it safe"? So technically, Pascal's Wager actually implies that rejecting a higher power is the safer bet.
No, the "you can't take the Bible literally," means it was written by men about their God. Or at least, their perception of God. God wouldn't have had jack shit to do with writing the Bible. And it never says IN the Bible that God wrote it, or even cared if we did. So I'm not sure where that idea came from, beyond a need to self validate.
@SonofSethoitae you have no idea moron. John says in gods word "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD!" anyone want to actually read a bible all the way through and say sonmething against it that makes sense?
A) name calling makese you look like a 7 year old.
B) that doesn't change the fact that you were deliberately mischaracterizing a scientific theory for the purposes of discrediting it ad hominem.
C) I said nothing against the Bible, I said you were mistaken in your characterization of the Big Bang.
D) How about the creation account in Genesis not being internally consistant, and the original Hebrew actually begins "In A begining", or Bereshit, which does not mean ex nihilo.
@shredder767 basically what you just said is "I just don't like you, so i'll attack your intelligence, run away and scream 'YOU SUCK'. Then, this proves that you are so much smarter than us! (SARCASM) (FACETIOUS) (INSINCERE).
Also on Pascals Wager- There are some arguments I've seen that you could voluntarily develop a true belief in something. Assume that this is correct, at least for the moment.
Which God? If Yahweh is the right one, and you develop a true belief in Zeus, you're fucked, and vice versa. In my opinion, this is where Pascal's Wager really breaks down.
I love how atheists sit and disprove creationists and never actually post any "scientific proven evidence" about how a cell came about. Or how the eye actually came about. I dont believe in religion but I think there is no way to know whether or not a god exists.
@quiksilver87 Not all atheists are scientists so it is not their job to provide evidence for all the many things theists have an issue with though many still do; however, the overwhelming majority of scientists are atheists and they have proven how cells and eyes came about and plenty more. Also, this is the information age and thanks to it you clearly have the power of the internet. The information is out there and all it takes is a simple google search, so use it.
@quiksilver87 morality. if subjective morality is true, it contradicts itself. it's not possible. thus, we must have an entity to provide the moral codes.
@seventh77 natural selection is a truly remarkable thing that does happen (Based on 1012 to the tenthousandth power of genetic codes), but it is not living and thus is not an entity
@godswordistruth34 You believe in subjective morality... I ask you about the old testament. You say "it was different back then." That's subjective morality. I ask why having many wives used to be morally clean. Now it's looked down upon? There is no objective morality. If there were, you would be denying all of history. Go pray to your "god", now, but instead of being selfish and praying for yourself, why don't you pray to end world hunger? Hm?
@IOutDoSyndicate I don't. Where exactly does it say (explicitly): it is ok to have many wives? it doesn't. And the whole god must've changed thing is dumb too. If i were to guide a primitive culture, i would impose strict rules to keep good order. that's what god did.
@godswordistruth34 How atheism doesn't make sense? Atheism the belief that there is no god. Nothing more nothing less. How does that not make sense? This shows you don't actually know what being an atheist means.. Let me guess... We're a bunch of devil worshipers who only deny a sadistic pedophile (loving and forgive god? Think not.) to sin. Is that what you think? Get the fuck outa here.. If you can't prove your side, then I don't want to hear it. "faith" is not evidence, young one.
@IOutDoSyndicate Actually, you got the definition of atheism quite wrong. It's not the belief that there's no god. It's the lack of belief in a god. So, if you don't really believe that there is or isn't a god, you're technically an atheist. It's also why atheists don't need any evidence to support their belief, because there isn't a belief. It's a lack of a belief.
@IOutDoSyndicate I really don't like the TERM atheist because it means a person believes there is NO God when in reality its impossible to prove something doesn't exist. So for debates, all "atheists" are agnostics. We just think its highly unlikely for their to be a God because there is no evidence. However for practicality we are atheists because it is foolish to believe in something that is highly unlikely and doesn't make sense
@UberREDKitteh But what IS moral, is commiting lets say, mass murder of children, then 5 years later seeking forgiveness from God and getting into heaven. Meanwhile innocent homosexuals just living their lives will go to Hell. Totally moral!
Is it not more prudent to call scientific athetists, agnostic? I mean, I dont believe in God at all, but if I was shown irrefutable evidence of his existence, I would believe, needless to say I still wouldnt follow the prick.
Loved this. Here's one for the next video in the series. You have to 'think like a child' in order for God to be able to give you a personal revelation that would prove his existence to you.
and lastly, if you aren't a christian, you wouldn't know anything about God or about Christianity, until you've experienced it from a willing standpoint, which no atheist has
Just because you don't believe in a deity it doesn't mean you have no morals, but doing the right thing just because you're afraid of what your god'll do to you if you don't, now that's disgusting...
@UberREDKitteh that's what i'm saying. There is a moral code everyone has mental access to, even atheists. So how can it be that immaterial things are in a material brain? In an atheists brain? all i have heard are insults no irrefutable answer that says god doesnt exist
@godswordistruth34 Morals and the internet are very similar. There is no one author making all the webpages and updating them. Morals are a collection of ideas that we all know through culture and we add and remove ideas over time. If morals came from god through the bible. I'll stop there because they didn't.
basically, the red cross agency workers can be moral at work, and then go home, get drunk, have sex group, and still be moral? you needa dictionary. You atheists just hate having to be good and responsible for your actions. I would know. i used to be an athi=eist.
@pedrocassies if you believe in absolute morality, same as me, then you believe in a higher power or entity that creates this morality. subjective morality doesn't actually exist. it breaks a law of logic: non-contradiction law. You have basically just sated A and B are opposites, but they are both correct. Thus, deep inside, uve convinced yourself god doesn't exist, but i just tricked you into admitting it.
@seventh77 yes. you believe only in the matter substance called the brain, where i believe in dualism. you believe it's all just electrical and chemical impulses. correct so far?
@seventh77 and it is a law of logic: non-contradiction law. as previously stated, u said A and B can both be correct even if they say the other one isn't true. it breaks logical laws to say all truth is relative. What if my truth says yours is a lie? how can it still be truth? It cancels out truth. thus, we can be right, or you can. square one. try somethingi haven't heard yet
@godswordistruth34 Duh. Morality is made up; it's subjective. One person's morals are true to that person, but not to another. Killing is not wrong. There is no ultimate Truth that states it is. Killing appeals to human emotions; killing is *mean*. So why don't humans just kill each other if there isn't any higher moral power that stops them? Because of the biology of the human brain, which has been shaped over millions of years. Quite apparent in the psychology of morality.
@pedrocassies and christianity is a life style, not religion. Christ isn't a book of "DO NOT"'s. He says "DO THIS". there's a difference. religion isn't freedom. but lifestyle in Christ is!
@seventh77 actually, you are correct. what you are referring to is the jew (not christian) religion known as judaism which involves slaughter for repentence.If you have a bunch of rituals and DO NOT DO THIS, then you are a religion. It switched from don't do this to "Now, simply do as i ask and be forgiven". trust me, it's a lot more freedom than having to kill for salvation. all ya gotta do now is say youre sorry to god and he will acknowlege
actually, the bible is proven. it was written about four thousand or so yrs ago and yet things it had described in it's oldest books have come to pass- what do you call that- a lucky guess? i have a list of things that've happened.
@godswordistruth34 yo dumb ass, over here! ofc things in the bible has happened, people who lived back then wrote what happened while they were alive-.-
@ante9224 no, they didn't. Israeli's were pushed off their land and weren't able to retake it. That was experienced int their time. However, they retook it recently, also mentioned in revelations, but it didn't happen during the authors time. And it was also said in revelations that there was going to be a struggle for the Israeli land (it only happened recently with the Palestinian issue).
@godswordistruth34 If I write in a book "the UN headquarters will get bombed in 2020" and some wacko reads that and goes on to bomb the UN in 2020, does it mean I saw the future? No, it means something happened because someone read what I wrote. The same could apply to what's in the bible and is happening right now.
I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate people who think the Moon is made of cheese. It's like a dog that's humping your leg. Funny at first but the more you try to shake it off, the harder it humps. When the dog finishes, it runs off and licks it's own ass and you got Jizz all over your leg. Moral is, don't wrestle a pig cuz you'll get covered in shit and the pig is still a pig. Don't waste your time.
@suri1118 Lol what are you talking about, reason and logic doesnt just say this makes 'logical sense' so its true, people go out to prove and test this logical sense rather then just saying it is so.
in other words, Darwin didnt just say i have written what i think happened during evolution and this is so. no year and years later people are still finding more and more proof of it.
There is no such thing as a thinking atheist which is obvious! Atheists dont believe in anything so they also dont believe in thinking as well. They just do and say whatever without thinking just like animals do. But then again they do call themselves themselves apes instead of human spirit beings.
If it wasn't, then you obviously don't know the meaning of the word "atheism".
And yes, we and present-day apes share a common ancestor (notice that I didn't say "we're apes" like you keep assuming that's what "we" say). Whether you like it or not, that's fact. Sorry, you're just as much as a monkey as the rest of us :)
religion only wants the best for the ppl, and wishes to ais ppl throughout life.
NOW, there are stuff like church and probably any institutionalized religion (church, church, and more church --> at least for the "west") that i dont find correct eighter. if u think about it for a moment, who is behind the church? God?... nope, its the Papst. that one person fucks stuff doesnt mean thats all wrong. the fail with the church is that they dont make the "believe" more accurate for nowadays needs.
I think that, in order that a social structure exists within society, there has been the need of having a moral, which would made the interaction between ppl possible.
this moral would be given by a god, and therefor(e?) I find Religion itself ok. as long as u have in mind that (almost) all "big" (widespread and known) religions are like veeeeeeeery old, u will realise that theres actually no such think as a "bad religion".
Seeing that we don't really have any unsubstantiated theories (or at least try to get them substantiated :P ) the line could have been "We can make up ours"
But I'm about 2 years late on that little suggestion :)
Religion is bullshit. Religion used to be government. Now politics is government until something else comes along. Good morals can be crafted without religion. All you need is a logical brain which for some reason religion is very uncomfortable with. And when it comes to god, the best thing to do is shrug your shoulders and say i don't fucking know. No proof of existence or non existence. So live life, worship nothing, and find out when you croak
@TheThinkingAtheist Sadly you're very skilled at making straw men. The argument for Christianity has never at any time rested on a God of the gaps argument or circular reasoning or many of the other things you mention in this video or others. The reason that many former atheist historians, lawyers and scientists of the highest caliber (Simon Greenleaf of Harvard, Anthony Flew, Lee Strobel, Dr. Walter Veith&countless others) became Christians was because of the powerful evidence that supports it.
@TruthIsLife7 Ok. What evidence? When you see a straw man argument about your beliefs, it's a perfect opportunity to represent yourself and your side so... do it.
Perhaps the reason for them becoming like that was not the "overwhelming and clearly objective and logical" evidence but because simply some things that they at some point in their lives started to believe,that doesn't make the "proof" any more true,it just means that some people are open to it ( simple minded people in my view ) .
@TheThinkingAtheist Well if their is a god, and you "pretended" to believe, you stand to lose even MORE than those who didn't believe outright. Since "though shall not be decietful," and living your life pretending to believe in something you do not is all kinds of dishonest, instead of the "pretty nice place, but without God" layer of Hell as described in Dante's inferno, you risk going down to one of the layers where your actually tortured for all eternity.
I have something to say, I was stuck on the crazy part of youtube for over three hours. From aliens having lived on earth for years in the appearance of packing peanuts, to George Bush and Osama Bin Ladin and Barack Obama being the horsemen of the rapture. It was damaging.
@jch5251 I love it when you ignorant christians get mad. It's so cute! You're a vast majority of the population, and if someone tries to incorporate opposing views into government, you run around like a chicken with their head cut off. It's the "help help I'm being repressed" effect. And we're not "persecuting" you. When was the last time you saw a christian burned at the stake or stoned on the white house lawn? That's what I thought. Go back to your sister, she needs some more banging. Hey, th
@Flakbait888 Ignoring your childish remarks, I don't think you understand the control of atheists have and how Christians are not the majority, at least true followers of Jesus. If it was the case that Christians were in office, how are so many things that Christians disprove of: homosexual marriage and abortion still legal in the US. If the Christians were the majority, how are other religions coming into office too?
@jch5251 First off, not all Christians believe the same. A true follower of Jesus Christ would sit and hold the hand of a gay man dying of AIDS. A true follower of Jesus would have compassion for women who have abortions. The rest just want to tell others what to do. It doesn't matter what they believe. It is unconstitutional to legislate based on it. They do use their influence however=just look around. This world would be a better place if fundamentalists disappeared.
@stevinie7free Yes and no, to be a Christian, you need to believe that Jesus died and rose again for our sins, salvation is reached through faith and not works.Secondly, I do agree with you that a true follower would accept the people who do those things, but that doesn't mean they are ok with it and would make it legal.That's like saying, I don't like murder, but I don't want to make a law against it.Murder is a sin just like homosexuality, abortion, and such, and leads to death.
@stevinie7free (Cont) The part about legislating on beliefs is unconstitutional, that is completely false. It is hard to avoid beliefs when you mess with the way people live. I would say some belief is behind every legislation passed in the government. The only time you complain about the legislation is when it is counter to your own beliefs. Murder is illegal because people believe it is wrong, same with armed robbery, rape, and such. There needs to be some moral standard: belief
@jch5251 You are just wrong. You need to study the constitution and also understand there is a separation of church and state within the United States. People are getting really sick of fundamentalists telling us what to do. More people in the course of history have died in the name of God than for any other reason. Talk to God about murder bc I don't make those decision, do I? Why do you believers not place your blame on God where it clearly belongs?
@stevinie7free If you would have studied the constitution, you would have realize that the constitution says nothing about that bogus law, the separation of church and state. This is what it really says, "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" That doesn't seem to say anything about the separation, other than you can't have a religious test to obtain office. If something is wrong, it is wrong.
@jch5251 I have a strong belief in NOT jumping in the fray of others. But, I have to tell you bro, what you just wrote is indeed stating that there will be a separation of church and state. You don't have to prove any form of religion or faith to hold a political chair. That is a separation. It's saying that your faith will never be questioned. I think you may be mislead cause of the wording. And I am not being bias on this either.
@cursivebluedragon Yes the separation is there in the sense that there can not be one religion for the whole country. But this doesn't come into affect when enacting laws. If the people and power are moral, and believe that abortion is murder, and homosexuality is wrong, laws would be their against them not because of "religious beliefs" just moral beliefs. (Continued)
@cursivebluedragon Abortion is proven to be murder, and my point on homosexuality, marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman in religious ceremony, so I don't care if they are partners, I still think that they are wrong in their choice, but just don't call it marriage. And churches shouldn't be helping them in their sin by marrying them. Helping them is one thing, helping them sin is another. Thanks for being civilized with your response :)
@jch5251 Marriage is and never was a religious ceremony. Not for some time at least. Big Brother has his hands in that as well. Google by states what you have to do for marriage in America. There ain't no religion there. It is NOT wrong to be a homosexual. People say you should have free will but under the guidelines of their beliefs. That isn't the true definition of free will. Who said it's wrong to marry men to begin with?
@cursivebluedragon When you say "the people" find it wrong, just how many of us actually care? The only thing that bites me about the whole thing is they get to cover their partners with insurance. I can't do that with my lady of six years. Now that is discrimination. Sleep with you ever you want. But don't ask for laws that just protect you in such a way everyone else who have to live accordingly suffers for it.
@cursivebluedragon Marriage is a religious ceremony, whether you believe it is or not, you are making vows to each other and to God to become one with this person you are marrying. It might not surprise you that God, that has a Heavenly relationship with His three persons, would also want us to get married. If evolution truly happened, wouldn't we go with desires, and for a guy that would be to sleep with every woman possible? Isn't that how evolution works, on our desires?
@cursivebluedragon What makes homosexuality wrong? The same God, who created all things, that says rape is wrong, murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, and so forth. If there is no god, how do we get our moral standard on these other issues. Atheists say you don't need to be created for morals, but, they have yet to give a good reason why that statement would be true, they just bat around that argument, and never defend it.
@jch5251 Being an atheist I don't turn to God for morals. It's in my essence not to want to rape, murder or steal. I have no desire to want harm upon any being. I don't see eye-to-eye with people on religion, but at the same time I realize that there are so much more we DO have in common with one another. I don't go by what God said cause we are suppose to turn to the Bible for his commands. Yet, the Bible is filled with contradictions.
@cursivebluedragon I can have a discussion with three different people of three different religious beliefs. I will get three different answers. When I bring up that statement about the Bible saying God says it's alright to beat a slave near death, people jump and say "oh that's the Old Testament". Well, when I say it is scientifically impossible to live in the belly of a sea creature for any amount of time they say "oh you can't take the Bible literally".
@cursivebluedragon You can't keep moving the goal post to make a score. Again, I have no problems with what anyone believes in. That's their business and right. Just don't walk around yelling at people who have a different view that they are going to Hell and that they have no morals.
@halo4able I am sorry for your misconception of Him. No where in the bible does He advocate those things, please check your facts. Does He allow them to happen, yes, but he doesn't "advocate" them. God in the past had and still will place judgement on the evil people of this world. Only by His grace are we saved, through faith. So the answer to your statement, is that you are wrong and need to check your facts before posting. Thanks!
@jch5251 It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
@jch5251 When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
A) You are inventing numbers out of thin air that don't exist in the Bible and
B) You don't know how to do simple comparisons. In the 22 states where atheism was the state view, ~100-200 million people were killed because they wouldn't become atheists or follow the atheist' leaders ideology in some way.
God's actions actually saved lives long term because the people he enacted justice upon were involved in torture, constant murder, etc.
@jch5251 GOD =/= moral standard. I am so sick of talking to imbeciles that I have to leave Youtube. Please stop messaging me as I do not debate with crazy. I like to have free discussions and you just told me that you feel entitled to tell me what to believe. That is grounds for ending the conversation.
@stevinie7free Well if you would have paid attention to the first remark that I responded to, it was the contradiction in this statement, "You're a vast majority of the population, and if someone tries to incorporate opposing views into government". Also I see the twisting of words, I never " told me(you) that you feel entitled to tell me what to believe". My point was, if something is morally wrong, and I question your morals, than there should be a law against it, even if belief
@jch5251 First off, not all Christians believe the same. A true follower of Jesus Christ would sit and hold the hand of a gay man dying of AIDS. A true follower of Jesus would have compassion for women who have abortions. The rest just want to tell others what to do. It doesn't matter what they believe. It is unconstitutional to legislate based on it. They do use their influence however=just look around. This world would be a better place if fundamentalists disappeared. I rest my case.
@stevinie7free You have no case, and you must believe in anarchy because, there should be no law against murder because serial killers believe that it is ok. There is no law against rape, because rapists believe it is ok, and so on. This is your arguement, and your "case". I hope you just don't want to stick with that because it makes you, and all others that share your belief, look very silly with no morals.
That "Ted" explanation was offensive for me. I would like to inform you, atheist, that the big bang was caused by His Noodliness: the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Ver. 29. Life. A law nearly similar occurs, Exodus xxii. 16, (Haydock) only there Moses speaks of seduction. (Menochius) --- If the father or the woman refused their consent to the marriage, the person had only to pay 50 sicles; which the woman received, if her father was not alive. But if they consented, the person who had been condemned by the judge, was bound to marry the woman, how deformed soever. (Selden, Uxor. i. 16.) (Calmet)
@oscarmarin1995 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Deuteronomy 22:28 says that a rape victim must marry her rapist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@mabemail12 We're talking about the deuteronomic law here. These are not moral laws but are prescriptions that were added because of the transgressions of the Israelites. There is a difference between these rules and the moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments. These expired with the coming of the New Covenant.
@oscarmarin1995 You can't justify the atrocious behavior of the god in the old testament by claiming that he changed his mind later, and still claim that he is perfect.
@MrBabyMaddox No He didn't, He supplied you with free will, and then you made the choice yourself. That doesn't mean He can't work through your life and bring him back to Him, He loves you, and sent His Son for you, so that you can spend eternal life with Him.
It makes me kind of sick that just in america, which, when you look at it's founding, is a country of enlightment and rationalism, crazy christian fundamentalists have such an influence in society that creationism bullshit is taught in schools and people just take it for real and are ignorant to any substantial argument?
How is it possible to regress this far. I hope that those people will one day bethink that their country wasn't build by divine forces but by rational human beings.
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Why can't an atheist solve exponential equations? Because he does not belive in higher powers.
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Here's something to think about: you all keep saying "But the bible is so old, and we are smarter now". this is in contradiction to uninformatarianism: The past is the key to the future. i hope u all realize how inconsistent that is with your entire worldview
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
Here's something to think about: you all keep saying "But the bible is so old, and we are smarter now". this is in contradiction to uninformatarianism: The past is the key to the future. i hope u all realize how inconsistent that is with your entire worldview
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
All the assertions in this video are logically correct! However, as a creationist, I feel it is important to say;
(a) As soon as someone says they know how we came to be (creationism,evolutionism, or any other theory), we know that it ceases to become observable science and becomes a belief.
(b) Please don't judge all creationists by the way Christianity is portrayed in the media. Whether it's the Westborough Baptist Church, or the pop-culture stuff, it does make us look like ignorant idiots.
GothikBeerTV 1 day ago
@GothikBeerTV Not so much for Evolutionism as it's based on evidence (fossils, homosapiens,carbon dating) and years of studies. Christianity is a belief as people know that the stories in the Bible might not be true but they have faith in it. In this case, for science, evolution have been taught in schools, are you saying that's a belief...Also, there're other things that's not observable, such as formation of a cave, people have not seen it as it takes millions of years, means it's a belief?
miyavizim 1 day ago
@miyavizim this is called: religion. basically you're saying: "BECAUSE WE ARE EVOLUTIONISTS AND YOU ARE CREATIONISTS, AND BECAUSE WE TEACH IT, ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS IT IS DUMB!"
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@GothikBeerTV the belief makes you look like an idiot not the media typical for you to blame someone else listen believing an invisible man in the sky is granting wishes defys the laws of probability and judges you day after day makes you look like an ignorant idiot not the media you dont need to look no farther and evolutionism doesent become a belief a fact is fact a theory stands as fuck till disprooven there was a creationist scientist who tryed to proove the adam and eve
pur3k0 1 day ago
@GothikBeerTV bible story and within a few years was disprooven
pur3k0 1 day ago
@GothikBeerTV This should become one of the Top Ten Arguments "judge us not by our fundamentalist groups" NO. SCREW YOU. You religious people are the most intolerant lot alive and I'm sick and tired of being branded intolerant as an atheist. You think I'm wrong, you think I'll go to hell, you think I'm ignorant, but when I say the same thing about you, it's religious persecution. Screw you. Your religions are the cause of wars and killings. Atheist and proud of it.
Behemothxp 21 hours ago
Praise be to Kamali!
TheBlueManChoo 2 days ago
im not joking ;)
snowypowy1991 2 days ago
Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Love is the law, love under will.
IndustrialMilitia 2 days ago
Why is there a commercial for LDS on an Atheist Channel? That's like putting up an ad for beef on a Vegan Channel.
Sunkincid 2 days ago
@Sunkincid GOD put it there, for you! (btw i'm only joking)
emailtheoldies 2 days ago
I love that 11th argument...
ronaldwangdra1995 3 days ago
ALL HAIL TED!!!
VTECZpirates 3 days ago
you should say in video.If pascal equation make them +1 to -1 .Then problem is which religion or god make us +1
omer131 3 days ago
kamali bless us all
azur0x 3 days ago
Then watch /watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4
" you can pretty much worship anything " showing us The Freemasonic symbols and Horus
mukkohaha 3 days ago
worship ted! all of you!!!!!
geyza0711 4 days ago
@geyza0711 I Do!, ted even makes his face known to southerners and anally probes them! They have seen him but do not heed his warnings. May ted be with you my friend.
JoelB3783 3 days ago
@geyza0711 we said it explains it. We don't worship him. I mean to worship an idea or a personal unsubstantiated belief... well that's just silly
TheMajinTrunks 3 days ago
@TheMajinTrunks You can detect sarcasm [ ] You cant detect sarcasm [X]
geyza0711 3 days ago
@geyza0711 well then I apologize. Sarcasm is hard to detect in writing, especially when there are so many stupid people out there. I say sorry good sir.
TheMajinTrunks 3 days ago
@TheMajinTrunks Well as a good Tedthealienist I forgive you! ;)
geyza0711 3 days ago
I'd like to believe that God created the universe and that the only way we see his work is through the science we've been practicing for eons. A being of subtlety and ironic communication. By the way, showed the vid. to my mom, totally pissed! Thanks Thinking Atheist!
dacdog114 4 days ago
I'm writing a holy book to my new religion. I'm hoping to spread ignorance just like those ancient Semites started doing 3000 years ago. Maybe in 3000 years it'll have a large following.
Mythodiir 4 days ago
i'm now a devout Kamalinite
all praise her wrinkly visage
al3699 4 days ago
well in my pet theory, the big bang is a smaller bang than we let on. We can only see so much of the universe, and when there is space, even as much space as our 'outer' space, the big bang theory does work, but the hold in the god gap, is that it was our big bang, and other systems ,farther away had theirs.
an alternative theory in the same stance, is that we live as microbes ourselves, and the universe is small, and vast at once. we live on an atom of an organism, much larger than ourselves
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I worship Kamali now
iHaveGrudgeAgainstUT 5 days ago
The eleventh one was great.
zellfalcon31 5 days ago
love these vids
BallinRabbit09 5 days ago
Every video from this channel has arguments in the comments tat go something like this, Guy 1 Where's the evidence? why should I respect and be subject to your rules when I don't see any proof? Guy 2 It's written right here!!!! Guy 1 You're a dumbass Guy 2 You will burn for eternity spawn of SATAN!!!!!!!
MrROTD 5 days ago
The person who made these videos I believe is the god! xD LMAO! good shit! Love this.
RaguXT 5 days ago
Age of Mythology! :D
Hobzy107 6 days ago
Pascal's Wager: Oh come on, you could have done better than simply saying it's the coward's way out. What about the bit where if you choose the WRONG god to believe in, you're still screwed? 50/50 chance you're right if you choose not to believe, but what are the odds that you just happened to pick the *correct* god to believe in if you choose to "play it safe"? So technically, Pascal's Wager actually implies that rejecting a higher power is the safer bet.
seventh77 6 days ago
No, the "you can't take the Bible literally," means it was written by men about their God. Or at least, their perception of God. God wouldn't have had jack shit to do with writing the Bible. And it never says IN the Bible that God wrote it, or even cared if we did. So I'm not sure where that idea came from, beyond a need to self validate.
SonofSethoitae 6 days ago
@SonofSethoitae you have no idea moron. John says in gods word "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD!" anyone want to actually read a bible all the way through and say sonmething against it that makes sense?
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@godswordistruth34
A) name calling makese you look like a 7 year old.
B) that doesn't change the fact that you were deliberately mischaracterizing a scientific theory for the purposes of discrediting it ad hominem.
C) I said nothing against the Bible, I said you were mistaken in your characterization of the Big Bang.
D) How about the creation account in Genesis not being internally consistant, and the original Hebrew actually begins "In A begining", or Bereshit, which does not mean ex nihilo.
SonofSethoitae 19 hours ago
Hey stop making fun of my belief in Barbara Streisand!
Kfarineau 6 days ago
@Kfarineau All hail Barbara Streisand!
Grebackis 6 days ago
@Grebackis All hail Ted, the failbrewer!
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@SenLinFu Nah Barbara is the one true god.
Grebackis 6 days ago
If only creationists could understand this video. The vocabulary is too complex for them.
shredder767 6 days ago
@shredder767 basically what you just said is "I just don't like you, so i'll attack your intelligence, run away and scream 'YOU SUCK'. Then, this proves that you are so much smarter than us! (SARCASM) (FACETIOUS) (INSINCERE).
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
ThinkingAtheist for President
snowzy79 1 week ago
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY IDIOTS LIKE CREATIONISTS !!!! THEIR MUM AND DAD DID IT !!!!
RedBeretXXX 1 week ago
Also on Pascals Wager- There are some arguments I've seen that you could voluntarily develop a true belief in something. Assume that this is correct, at least for the moment.
Which God? If Yahweh is the right one, and you develop a true belief in Zeus, you're fucked, and vice versa. In my opinion, this is where Pascal's Wager really breaks down.
ctraver 1 week ago
This video is so much win!
wilbertonunez 1 week ago
I pray to Ted by drinking beer. At least MY religion isn't hurting other people...
TheSonorama21 1 week ago
I love how atheists sit and disprove creationists and never actually post any "scientific proven evidence" about how a cell came about. Or how the eye actually came about. I dont believe in religion but I think there is no way to know whether or not a god exists.
quiksilver87 1 week ago
@quiksilver87 Abiogenous, endosymbiotic theory, and evolution. Check mate.
ultimateownage2 1 week ago
@quiksilver87 Not all atheists are scientists so it is not their job to provide evidence for all the many things theists have an issue with though many still do; however, the overwhelming majority of scientists are atheists and they have proven how cells and eyes came about and plenty more. Also, this is the information age and thanks to it you clearly have the power of the internet. The information is out there and all it takes is a simple google search, so use it.
xynth101088 1 week ago
@quiksilver87 morality. if subjective morality is true, it contradicts itself. it's not possible. thus, we must have an entity to provide the moral codes.
godswordistruth34 6 days ago
@godswordistruth34 And that "entity" is natural selection.
seventh77 6 days ago
@seventh77 natural selection is a truly remarkable thing that does happen (Based on 1012 to the tenthousandth power of genetic codes), but it is not living and thus is not an entity
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@godswordistruth34 You believe in subjective morality... I ask you about the old testament. You say "it was different back then." That's subjective morality. I ask why having many wives used to be morally clean. Now it's looked down upon? There is no objective morality. If there were, you would be denying all of history. Go pray to your "god", now, but instead of being selfish and praying for yourself, why don't you pray to end world hunger? Hm?
IOutDoSyndicate 4 days ago
@IOutDoSyndicate I don't. Where exactly does it say (explicitly): it is ok to have many wives? it doesn't. And the whole god must've changed thing is dumb too. If i were to guide a primitive culture, i would impose strict rules to keep good order. that's what god did.
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@IOutDoSyndicate Ask more questions. i will help show you why atheism doesn't make sense.
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@godswordistruth34 How atheism doesn't make sense? Atheism the belief that there is no god. Nothing more nothing less. How does that not make sense? This shows you don't actually know what being an atheist means.. Let me guess... We're a bunch of devil worshipers who only deny a sadistic pedophile (loving and forgive god? Think not.) to sin. Is that what you think? Get the fuck outa here.. If you can't prove your side, then I don't want to hear it. "faith" is not evidence, young one.
IOutDoSyndicate 8 hours ago
@IOutDoSyndicate Actually, you got the definition of atheism quite wrong. It's not the belief that there's no god. It's the lack of belief in a god. So, if you don't really believe that there is or isn't a god, you're technically an atheist. It's also why atheists don't need any evidence to support their belief, because there isn't a belief. It's a lack of a belief.
Nebuli2 2 hours ago
@IOutDoSyndicate I really don't like the TERM atheist because it means a person believes there is NO God when in reality its impossible to prove something doesn't exist. So for debates, all "atheists" are agnostics. We just think its highly unlikely for their to be a God because there is no evidence. However for practicality we are atheists because it is foolish to believe in something that is highly unlikely and doesn't make sense
ZenPhilosopher123 39 minutes ago
if you want to see God I recommend mushrooms
akgregor 1 week ago
all hail Kamali!
TheBurgerkrieg 1 week ago
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@UberREDKitteh But what IS moral, is commiting lets say, mass murder of children, then 5 years later seeking forgiveness from God and getting into heaven. Meanwhile innocent homosexuals just living their lives will go to Hell. Totally moral!
icikle 1 week ago
@icikle it only works if your repentance is sincere. if you r just lying for your benefit, it's worthless
godswordistruth34 6 days ago
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icikle 1 week ago
Is it not more prudent to call scientific athetists, agnostic? I mean, I dont believe in God at all, but if I was shown irrefutable evidence of his existence, I would believe, needless to say I still wouldnt follow the prick.
icikle 1 week ago
Loved this. Here's one for the next video in the series. You have to 'think like a child' in order for God to be able to give you a personal revelation that would prove his existence to you.
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and lastly, if you aren't a christian, you wouldn't know anything about God or about Christianity, until you've experienced it from a willing standpoint, which no atheist has
godswordistruth34 1 week ago
@godswordistruth34
(Read my precious comment)
Just because you don't believe in a deity it doesn't mean you have no morals, but doing the right thing just because you're afraid of what your god'll do to you if you don't, now that's disgusting...
UberREDKitteh 1 week ago
@UberREDKitteh that's what i'm saying. There is a moral code everyone has mental access to, even atheists. So how can it be that immaterial things are in a material brain? In an atheists brain? all i have heard are insults no irrefutable answer that says god doesnt exist
godswordistruth34 19 hours ago
@godswordistruth34 Morals and the internet are very similar. There is no one author making all the webpages and updating them. Morals are a collection of ideas that we all know through culture and we add and remove ideas over time. If morals came from god through the bible. I'll stop there because they didn't.
joshowen88 13 hours ago
basically, the red cross agency workers can be moral at work, and then go home, get drunk, have sex group, and still be moral? you needa dictionary. You atheists just hate having to be good and responsible for your actions. I would know. i used to be an athi=eist.
godswordistruth34 1 week ago
@godswordistruth34 And religious people never Drink, Have group sex, rape young boys. You need a clue, I am moral despite God not because of him.
pedrocassies 1 week ago
@pedrocassies if you believe in absolute morality, same as me, then you believe in a higher power or entity that creates this morality. subjective morality doesn't actually exist. it breaks a law of logic: non-contradiction law. You have basically just sated A and B are opposites, but they are both correct. Thus, deep inside, uve convinced yourself god doesn't exist, but i just tricked you into admitting it.
godswordistruth34 6 days ago
@godswordistruth34 It does not break any "laws of logic". Do you not know anything about evolutionary psychology?
seventh77 6 days ago
@seventh77 yes. you believe only in the matter substance called the brain, where i believe in dualism. you believe it's all just electrical and chemical impulses. correct so far?
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
@seventh77 and it is a law of logic: non-contradiction law. as previously stated, u said A and B can both be correct even if they say the other one isn't true. it breaks logical laws to say all truth is relative. What if my truth says yours is a lie? how can it still be truth? It cancels out truth. thus, we can be right, or you can. square one. try somethingi haven't heard yet
godswordistruth34 19 hours ago
@godswordistruth34 Duh. Morality is made up; it's subjective. One person's morals are true to that person, but not to another. Killing is not wrong. There is no ultimate Truth that states it is. Killing appeals to human emotions; killing is *mean*. So why don't humans just kill each other if there isn't any higher moral power that stops them? Because of the biology of the human brain, which has been shaped over millions of years. Quite apparent in the psychology of morality.
seventh77 17 hours ago
@godswordistruth34 Secular Humanism look it up. The only person you are tricking is yourself. You are a sad little person, I pitty you.
pedrocassies 5 days ago
@pedrocassies and christianity is a life style, not religion. Christ isn't a book of "DO NOT"'s. He says "DO THIS". there's a difference. religion isn't freedom. but lifestyle in Christ is!
godswordistruth34 6 days ago
@godswordistruth34 Well, 'Do this' is even less freedom than 'Do not'.
'Smoke only Camel cigarettes' gives you less options than 'Do not smoke Marlboro!', just one to be precise.
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@godswordistruth34 There isn't a difference. A list of rules is a list of rules, and there are both Do's and Do Not's in the bible.
seventh77 6 days ago
@seventh77 actually, you are correct. what you are referring to is the jew (not christian) religion known as judaism which involves slaughter for repentence.If you have a bunch of rituals and DO NOT DO THIS, then you are a religion. It switched from don't do this to "Now, simply do as i ask and be forgiven". trust me, it's a lot more freedom than having to kill for salvation. all ya gotta do now is say youre sorry to god and he will acknowlege
godswordistruth34 20 hours ago
actually, the bible is proven. it was written about four thousand or so yrs ago and yet things it had described in it's oldest books have come to pass- what do you call that- a lucky guess? i have a list of things that've happened.
godswordistruth34 1 week ago
@godswordistruth34 yo dumb ass, over here! ofc things in the bible has happened, people who lived back then wrote what happened while they were alive-.-
ante9224 1 week ago
@ante9224 no, they didn't. Israeli's were pushed off their land and weren't able to retake it. That was experienced int their time. However, they retook it recently, also mentioned in revelations, but it didn't happen during the authors time. And it was also said in revelations that there was going to be a struggle for the Israeli land (it only happened recently with the Palestinian issue).
godswordistruth34 1 week ago
@godswordistruth34 If I write in a book "the UN headquarters will get bombed in 2020" and some wacko reads that and goes on to bomb the UN in 2020, does it mean I saw the future? No, it means something happened because someone read what I wrote. The same could apply to what's in the bible and is happening right now.
Platibus666 4 days ago
@godswordistruth34 obviously duhh-.-
ante9224 3 days ago
@ante9224 Character attack fallacy. called me stupid and then didn't present any evidence. if you must insult my faith do it right.
godswordistruth34 19 hours ago
and chance aligned the planet so perfectly? its like transendtentalism, the universe gets tens shots at gettign it right.
godswordistruth34 1 week ago
In Kamali I Trust
Darconda90 1 week ago
What are we going to do with that Ted? LOL
SuperChef1984 1 week ago
ISLAM IS THE TRUTH !!!
MOADAM2010 1 week ago
@MOADAM2010 Islam is lame.
Davve941018 1 week ago
@Davve941018 : why is that :) ???
MOADAM2010 1 week ago
I don't debate Christians for the same reason I don't debate people who think the Moon is made of cheese. It's like a dog that's humping your leg. Funny at first but the more you try to shake it off, the harder it humps. When the dog finishes, it runs off and licks it's own ass and you got Jizz all over your leg. Moral is, don't wrestle a pig cuz you'll get covered in shit and the pig is still a pig. Don't waste your time.
paramattic70 1 week ago
@paramattic70 i find it insulting you using dogs, dogs are a mans best friend and love you, and never will threaten you with eternal damnation.
linkuei83 1 week ago
@paramattic70 LMAO
hellhammerz666 1 week ago
2:18 thats a nice beat
hotwhire 1 week ago
what came before the big bang? a little bang picked up an echo.
breasthound 1 week ago
@breasthound no its just Madoka who destroyed the old world and recreated it anew, all hail the church of Madoka
cropathfinder 1 week ago
this may be the best video ever.
JonnoXD 1 week ago
reason and logic can be the same circle lol have you thought about that?
suri1118 1 week ago
@suri1118 Lol what are you talking about, reason and logic doesnt just say this makes 'logical sense' so its true, people go out to prove and test this logical sense rather then just saying it is so.
in other words, Darwin didnt just say i have written what i think happened during evolution and this is so. no year and years later people are still finding more and more proof of it.
MinecrafterX3 1 week ago
I believe in TED!!
shinitaru 1 week ago
ALL HAIL TED!! ANYONE AGREE???!
migueleato 1 week ago
There is no such thing as a thinking atheist which is obvious! Atheists dont believe in anything so they also dont believe in thinking as well. They just do and say whatever without thinking just like animals do. But then again they do call themselves themselves apes instead of human spirit beings.
icemancopeland 1 week ago
@icemancopeland I'm going to assume that was sarcasm.
If it wasn't, then you obviously don't know the meaning of the word "atheism".
And yes, we and present-day apes share a common ancestor (notice that I didn't say "we're apes" like you keep assuming that's what "we" say). Whether you like it or not, that's fact. Sorry, you're just as much as a monkey as the rest of us :)
Scyntist 1 week ago
religion only wants the best for the ppl, and wishes to ais ppl throughout life.
NOW, there are stuff like church and probably any institutionalized religion (church, church, and more church --> at least for the "west") that i dont find correct eighter. if u think about it for a moment, who is behind the church? God?... nope, its the Papst. that one person fucks stuff doesnt mean thats all wrong. the fail with the church is that they dont make the "believe" more accurate for nowadays needs.
Tony91318 1 week ago
Moin!
I think that, in order that a social structure exists within society, there has been the need of having a moral, which would made the interaction between ppl possible.
this moral would be given by a god, and therefor(e?) I find Religion itself ok. as long as u have in mind that (almost) all "big" (widespread and known) religions are like veeeeeeeery old, u will realise that theres actually no such think as a "bad religion".
Tony91318 1 week ago
spinach
zuzuazaz 1 week ago
Just a thought. At 1:41 you say "We have ours".
Seeing that we don't really have any unsubstantiated theories (or at least try to get them substantiated :P ) the line could have been "We can make up ours"
But I'm about 2 years late on that little suggestion :)
Cheers, and good work.
AGrandt 1 week ago
Religion is bullshit. Religion used to be government. Now politics is government until something else comes along. Good morals can be crafted without religion. All you need is a logical brain which for some reason religion is very uncomfortable with. And when it comes to god, the best thing to do is shrug your shoulders and say i don't fucking know. No proof of existence or non existence. So live life, worship nothing, and find out when you croak
ultimatepedrodude330 1 week ago
@TheThinkingAtheist Sadly you're very skilled at making straw men. The argument for Christianity has never at any time rested on a God of the gaps argument or circular reasoning or many of the other things you mention in this video or others. The reason that many former atheist historians, lawyers and scientists of the highest caliber (Simon Greenleaf of Harvard, Anthony Flew, Lee Strobel, Dr. Walter Veith&countless others) became Christians was because of the powerful evidence that supports it.
TruthIsLife7 2 weeks ago
@TruthIsLife7 Evidence that supports Christianity or the supports the existence of God?
You know what, I really don't care. Your reply would be the most retarded logical imaginable.
XR8xSHOCKWAVE 2 weeks ago
@TruthIsLife7 Ok. What evidence? When you see a straw man argument about your beliefs, it's a perfect opportunity to represent yourself and your side so... do it.
DepressedAnnnie 2 weeks ago
@TruthIsLife7
Perhaps the reason for them becoming like that was not the "overwhelming and clearly objective and logical" evidence but because simply some things that they at some point in their lives started to believe,that doesn't make the "proof" any more true,it just means that some people are open to it ( simple minded people in my view ) .
ILoveRavenc 9 hours ago
The Bible is not a Science book, it is a Theology book. Look to Astrophysics for proof of a creator. Check out magisreasonfaith dt org
WorldMoment1 2 weeks ago
Kamallai and Ted had a baby named god !!! lol
ReignRealm 2 weeks ago
No not ted, In Kamail we trust.
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In ted we trust.
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Asking what was before the big bang is like asking what is more south than the south pole..
dmfarias07 2 weeks ago
@TheThinkingAtheist Well if their is a god, and you "pretended" to believe, you stand to lose even MORE than those who didn't believe outright. Since "though shall not be decietful," and living your life pretending to believe in something you do not is all kinds of dishonest, instead of the "pretty nice place, but without God" layer of Hell as described in Dante's inferno, you risk going down to one of the layers where your actually tortured for all eternity.
notbobby125 2 weeks ago
I have something to say, I was stuck on the crazy part of youtube for over three hours. From aliens having lived on earth for years in the appearance of packing peanuts, to George Bush and Osama Bin Ladin and Barack Obama being the horsemen of the rapture. It was damaging.
RageBoy5 2 weeks ago
12. prove that god does not existe
...Its your fucking claim , you prove it XD.
guillaume958 2 weeks ago
does anybody mind if i join in this arguement ?
RobinRc666 2 weeks ago
@jch5251 I love it when you ignorant christians get mad. It's so cute! You're a vast majority of the population, and if someone tries to incorporate opposing views into government, you run around like a chicken with their head cut off. It's the "help help I'm being repressed" effect. And we're not "persecuting" you. When was the last time you saw a christian burned at the stake or stoned on the white house lawn? That's what I thought. Go back to your sister, she needs some more banging. Hey, th
Flakbait888 2 weeks ago
@Flakbait888 Ignoring your childish remarks, I don't think you understand the control of atheists have and how Christians are not the majority, at least true followers of Jesus. If it was the case that Christians were in office, how are so many things that Christians disprove of: homosexual marriage and abortion still legal in the US. If the Christians were the majority, how are other religions coming into office too?
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@jch5251 First off, not all Christians believe the same. A true follower of Jesus Christ would sit and hold the hand of a gay man dying of AIDS. A true follower of Jesus would have compassion for women who have abortions. The rest just want to tell others what to do. It doesn't matter what they believe. It is unconstitutional to legislate based on it. They do use their influence however=just look around. This world would be a better place if fundamentalists disappeared.
stevinie7free 2 weeks ago
@stevinie7free Yes and no, to be a Christian, you need to believe that Jesus died and rose again for our sins, salvation is reached through faith and not works.Secondly, I do agree with you that a true follower would accept the people who do those things, but that doesn't mean they are ok with it and would make it legal.That's like saying, I don't like murder, but I don't want to make a law against it.Murder is a sin just like homosexuality, abortion, and such, and leads to death.
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@stevinie7free (Cont) The part about legislating on beliefs is unconstitutional, that is completely false. It is hard to avoid beliefs when you mess with the way people live. I would say some belief is behind every legislation passed in the government. The only time you complain about the legislation is when it is counter to your own beliefs. Murder is illegal because people believe it is wrong, same with armed robbery, rape, and such. There needs to be some moral standard: belief
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@jch5251 You are just wrong. You need to study the constitution and also understand there is a separation of church and state within the United States. People are getting really sick of fundamentalists telling us what to do. More people in the course of history have died in the name of God than for any other reason. Talk to God about murder bc I don't make those decision, do I? Why do you believers not place your blame on God where it clearly belongs?
stevinie7free 2 weeks ago
@stevinie7free If you would have studied the constitution, you would have realize that the constitution says nothing about that bogus law, the separation of church and state. This is what it really says, "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" That doesn't seem to say anything about the separation, other than you can't have a religious test to obtain office. If something is wrong, it is wrong.
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@jch5251 I have a strong belief in NOT jumping in the fray of others. But, I have to tell you bro, what you just wrote is indeed stating that there will be a separation of church and state. You don't have to prove any form of religion or faith to hold a political chair. That is a separation. It's saying that your faith will never be questioned. I think you may be mislead cause of the wording. And I am not being bias on this either.
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon Yes the separation is there in the sense that there can not be one religion for the whole country. But this doesn't come into affect when enacting laws. If the people and power are moral, and believe that abortion is murder, and homosexuality is wrong, laws would be their against them not because of "religious beliefs" just moral beliefs. (Continued)
jch5251 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon Abortion is proven to be murder, and my point on homosexuality, marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman in religious ceremony, so I don't care if they are partners, I still think that they are wrong in their choice, but just don't call it marriage. And churches shouldn't be helping them in their sin by marrying them. Helping them is one thing, helping them sin is another. Thanks for being civilized with your response :)
jch5251 1 week ago
@jch5251 Marriage is and never was a religious ceremony. Not for some time at least. Big Brother has his hands in that as well. Google by states what you have to do for marriage in America. There ain't no religion there. It is NOT wrong to be a homosexual. People say you should have free will but under the guidelines of their beliefs. That isn't the true definition of free will. Who said it's wrong to marry men to begin with?
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon When you say "the people" find it wrong, just how many of us actually care? The only thing that bites me about the whole thing is they get to cover their partners with insurance. I can't do that with my lady of six years. Now that is discrimination. Sleep with you ever you want. But don't ask for laws that just protect you in such a way everyone else who have to live accordingly suffers for it.
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon Marriage is a religious ceremony, whether you believe it is or not, you are making vows to each other and to God to become one with this person you are marrying. It might not surprise you that God, that has a Heavenly relationship with His three persons, would also want us to get married. If evolution truly happened, wouldn't we go with desires, and for a guy that would be to sleep with every woman possible? Isn't that how evolution works, on our desires?
jch5251 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon What makes homosexuality wrong? The same God, who created all things, that says rape is wrong, murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, and so forth. If there is no god, how do we get our moral standard on these other issues. Atheists say you don't need to be created for morals, but, they have yet to give a good reason why that statement would be true, they just bat around that argument, and never defend it.
jch5251 1 week ago
@jch5251 Being an atheist I don't turn to God for morals. It's in my essence not to want to rape, murder or steal. I have no desire to want harm upon any being. I don't see eye-to-eye with people on religion, but at the same time I realize that there are so much more we DO have in common with one another. I don't go by what God said cause we are suppose to turn to the Bible for his commands. Yet, the Bible is filled with contradictions.
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon I can have a discussion with three different people of three different religious beliefs. I will get three different answers. When I bring up that statement about the Bible saying God says it's alright to beat a slave near death, people jump and say "oh that's the Old Testament". Well, when I say it is scientifically impossible to live in the belly of a sea creature for any amount of time they say "oh you can't take the Bible literally".
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@cursivebluedragon You can't keep moving the goal post to make a score. Again, I have no problems with what anyone believes in. That's their business and right. Just don't walk around yelling at people who have a different view that they are going to Hell and that they have no morals.
cursivebluedragon 1 week ago
@jch5251 actually the god of the bible advacates murder, rape, genocide and slavery. if you want good morals, stay clear of the bible.
halo4able 1 week ago
@halo4able I am sorry for your misconception of Him. No where in the bible does He advocate those things, please check your facts. Does He allow them to happen, yes, but he doesn't "advocate" them. God in the past had and still will place judgement on the evil people of this world. Only by His grace are we saved, through faith. So the answer to your statement, is that you are wrong and need to check your facts before posting. Thanks!
jch5251 1 week ago
@jch5251 It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
halo4able 1 week ago
@jch5251 When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
halo4able 1 week ago
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TruthIsLife7 1 week ago
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@halo4able What is truly amazing is that
A) You are inventing numbers out of thin air that don't exist in the Bible and
B) You don't know how to do simple comparisons. In the 22 states where atheism was the state view, ~100-200 million people were killed because they wouldn't become atheists or follow the atheist' leaders ideology in some way.
God's actions actually saved lives long term because the people he enacted justice upon were involved in torture, constant murder, etc.
TruthIsLife7 1 week ago
@jch5251 GOD =/= moral standard. I am so sick of talking to imbeciles that I have to leave Youtube. Please stop messaging me as I do not debate with crazy. I like to have free discussions and you just told me that you feel entitled to tell me what to believe. That is grounds for ending the conversation.
stevinie7free 2 weeks ago
@stevinie7free Well if you would have paid attention to the first remark that I responded to, it was the contradiction in this statement, "You're a vast majority of the population, and if someone tries to incorporate opposing views into government". Also I see the twisting of words, I never " told me(you) that you feel entitled to tell me what to believe". My point was, if something is morally wrong, and I question your morals, than there should be a law against it, even if belief
jch5251 2 weeks ago
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@jch5251 First off, not all Christians believe the same. A true follower of Jesus Christ would sit and hold the hand of a gay man dying of AIDS. A true follower of Jesus would have compassion for women who have abortions. The rest just want to tell others what to do. It doesn't matter what they believe. It is unconstitutional to legislate based on it. They do use their influence however=just look around. This world would be a better place if fundamentalists disappeared. I rest my case.
stevinie7free 2 weeks ago
@stevinie7free You have no case, and you must believe in anarchy because, there should be no law against murder because serial killers believe that it is ok. There is no law against rape, because rapists believe it is ok, and so on. This is your arguement, and your "case". I hope you just don't want to stick with that because it makes you, and all others that share your belief, look very silly with no morals.
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@Flakbait888 again, character attack fallacy. you basically don't present evidence then say, because you aren't atheistic, ur dumb!
godswordistruth34 19 hours ago
Do a part three!
tager003 2 weeks ago
That "Ted" explanation was offensive for me. I would like to inform you, atheist, that the big bang was caused by His Noodliness: the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.
pbwuzherrofyt 2 weeks ago
@mabemail12 From the Haydock Bible Commentary
Ver. 29. Life. A law nearly similar occurs, Exodus xxii. 16, (Haydock) only there Moses speaks of seduction. (Menochius) --- If the father or the woman refused their consent to the marriage, the person had only to pay 50 sicles; which the woman received, if her father was not alive. But if they consented, the person who had been condemned by the judge, was bound to marry the woman, how deformed soever. (Selden, Uxor. i. 16.) (Calmet)
oscarmarin1995 2 weeks ago
The Bible is infallible.
oscarmarin1995 2 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Deuteronomy 22:28 says that a rape victim must marry her rapist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
mabemail12 2 weeks ago
@mabemail12 We're talking about the deuteronomic law here. These are not moral laws but are prescriptions that were added because of the transgressions of the Israelites. There is a difference between these rules and the moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments. These expired with the coming of the New Covenant.
oscarmarin1995 2 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 You can't justify the atrocious behavior of the god in the old testament by claiming that he changed his mind later, and still claim that he is perfect.
HelFKiernan 2 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?
MrBabyMaddox 2 weeks ago
@MrBabyMaddox No He didn't, He supplied you with free will, and then you made the choice yourself. That doesn't mean He can't work through your life and bring him back to Him, He loves you, and sent His Son for you, so that you can spend eternal life with Him.
jch5251 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995....not even as a doorstop.
youdontsayhey 2 weeks ago
Faith is justified by works. Works won't save you if you don't have faith. It's horribly out of context.
And you don't understand the Bible at all.
How is love immoral? Yeshua commanded us to love.
I wish I could make a refutation of this crap, misinformed video
oscarmarin1995 2 weeks ago
I know this is circular reasoning, but my proof of falseness of the bible is the bible.
GotZest 3 weeks ago
@GotZest What proof in the bible is it? I don't even think you read the bible, so how can you say that??
jch5251 2 weeks ago
@jch5251 I am very familiar with the bible. Don't make assumptions like that.
GotZest 2 weeks ago
@GotZest Well provide more evidence on how the "proof of falseness of the bible is the bible."
jch5251 2 weeks ago
It makes me kind of sick that just in america, which, when you look at it's founding, is a country of enlightment and rationalism, crazy christian fundamentalists have such an influence in society that creationism bullshit is taught in schools and people just take it for real and are ignorant to any substantial argument?
How is it possible to regress this far. I hope that those people will one day bethink that their country wasn't build by divine forces but by rational human beings.
lionofjudahx 3 weeks ago