Welcome to herd mentality -- spare the rod and spoil the child -- what a great way to recruit COPs/Soldiers/TSA from within the ranks of the Sheeple. FREEDUMB
I agree with the 90% statistic, however, I think that the empathy-based response of outrage at the beating video is actually a very good sign. What I found most disturbing was the video's audio, and the helpless outcry of one human being under physical attack from another. That this outcry, that being witness to such pain causes anger from a viewer is a positive reaction. If that reaction is properly interpreted, it is a further step to ending abuse in the home.
To previous commenters, these are statistics gathered by sources readily available. You can assert that this is not the case, but that's all it is, an assertion. You can disagree, but what does it even mean without enough refuting data to back up your mere unsupported assertion?
(part 1) Hi Stef, just wanted to say that this is the first video I've watched from you that I HAVE TO DISAGREE! I love your video's, I recommended them to many of my friends. But this one is a disappointment. I'm afraid you're right that it happens far to often (although I'm not sure about the 90% though). Here in Europe it does happen, it does happen too often, but surely not 90%.
(part 2) You're right about that people should stand up against it by ácting against it. But you're really off here when it comes to hypocrisy. My stomach felt like turning upside down when I watched the video. Never seen something like this 'live' before. Surely upsetting. Nothing fake about my emotions. It's disgusting that we've not REALLY learned from the past. In that sense I (and we all) have the right to be disappointed about our 'learning curve'.
Yes lets compare everything to a fucking movie made in 1942. Are you sure you are all there? That is fucking stupid. This IS NOT the norm in 90% of households. If this was the case for you, than I am sorry but you were abused growing up.
society lover i presume? Judging everything by statistics. Have you ever considered the possibility of human corruption? That most of the worlds population has been manipulated and corrupted into doing such negative things like child abuse. You act so mighty and intelligent, yet you forget to think outside the box. You live in your own little world, where you believe everything you say is correct. I call such people ignorant.
And you talk as if everyone should behave according to statistics...
To all Parents, if you have ever punished your kids by inflicting pain, like this comment. If you have never done so, Dislike. Totally unscientific but most surveys are full of it. Test this 90%
whats wrong with you people saying everyone needs some spanking, go be friends with someone that beats you up, yet its okay to hit defenseless children? YOU are what is wrong with this world
wow i was one of the lucky one 10 precent that didnt got punished physically apprently
you can raise a kid and not spank them
if you spank your unfit to be a parent
all studies show that kids being physically punished is more likely to be anti social react more violent because kids react to what parents do and not what they preach
it's painful and humiliating, and leads to resentment and revenge, not remorse or impulse control
You are doing what you do on so many of your philosophical meanderings, reify your overly simple interpretations as inerrant fact and generalise in a comically reductionist way.
Lo-and-behold where do we end up at the end of yet another stefbot video - not untypical you manage to solve issues that blight mankind in a short Youtube clip whilst condemning all those who live outside your head.
"but the scary thing is .. in this case the truth is that simple.. that he is right.."
We will have to disagree on that, my opinion is that Stefan tends to paint the world in comically simple terms - and tends to offer only solutions to his own straw man interpretations.
I was spanked as a kid and I'm not scarred. I will never spank my kids, but I understand that my parents thought they where doing the right thing at the time. I also have a great relationship with my parents.
OMG, the amount of people condoning parent child violence here is insane, and shows we are far from civilised. Just for clarification, it is not ok, or logical, or remotely productive to beat children, or your wife, or your husband, or your dog. And I for one am prepared to use reasonable force to stop ANYONE from using violence on vulnerable people.
I too cannot see why the controversy. The girl was belted by her father. She was a minor so it was his right and duty to punish her if he deemed it necessary or beneficial. It was a fairly mild beating and the girl was fully clothed, not a birching on the bare buttocks the drew blood.
@YJohannM I don't see it as violence, just a father punishing his wayward daughter. And as for the degree of force used, yes, I would probably have a problem with it if it resulted in permanent injuries, unless the circumstances were acceptable. But belting her, fully clothed, especially when she was 15 rather than say a toddler, I don't see a problem.
somantics is obviously a very powerful socio-political tool.
if one person kills one other person - it is "murder" commited by a "murderer"
if a group of people wearing military uniforms following orders and killing children by the thousands - it is "war" carried out by "patriots"
This is not a sexually frustrated middleaged man beating his own daughter for no good reason - it is a "father punishing his wayward daugher, his wife is dutifully doing her best as well" not really
i think it's interesting how people are so certain that physical discipline is so wrong when there couldn't possibly be conclusive evidence on the consequences of action. there are SO many factors in a childs upbringing that it would be almost impossible to say for sure yet people speak on the topic in such a matter-of-fact way. i was spanked by my father. we are close as adults. i don't have issues with violence or abuse or authority or critical reasoning skills. so what are we linking this to?
Stephan once said you can NEVER justify hitting something 1/4 your hight and 20% your brain-capacity. It's one of the most sane, sound and undebatable points I had ever heard...or so I thought.
I have yet to meet a single person in my life who agrees with me when raising this point. It seems almost everyone forged one or two reasons that they think can justify hitting a child, some even more than hitting a teenager "Because teens can be reasoned with, but kids cannot."
"Hey, you let your kids have a sip of wine from time to time; why are you so outraged that someone else made their kid sick from alcohol poisoning? Isn't that hypocritical?"
I'm I the only one who sees the girl pushing the buttons of her parents? The girl is obviously setting her parents up for this. Without a doubt the parents went nuts, even more nuts than the teen was ready for I think,,, but none the less, she is a master manipulator. A product of the Humanist schools no doubt.
I had a belt across my ass THREE times as a kid. The rest of those "times" were merely a hand pointing to the belt. I learned to respect my father quickly and concretely. I will not strike my children. I have learned other ways to help rear them. I have stood up for children being beaten in public. I told a lady to beat me instead if she can't control herself, let alone help her child with a misunderstanding. Many have stopped from my dirty look. Imagine the child's mind/spirit from violence.
@deadman12078 I disagree. I'll leave it at that. I'm tired of arguing this point. A child is naturally unruly and selfish. While they needed to be provide for, loved, and educated, they should be punished when needed.
Have you guys reflected on how often parents lie to their children? They lie constantly, about all kinds of things under the sun. One family I know of, don't want to get pets. So they've told their child she's allergic to fur! To prevent her from ever getting on their case to get a cat or puppy, they lie and make her believe she's allergic. Great. And the parents expect their kids to always tell them the truth...well..why don't they start...
Steph, I have heard you talking about children many times. I have 4 children myself, yet I have lost it with some and not with others. I think that you should get out more. You became a father in the later years, with someone providing the stable income. You would benefit from getting out of your bubble because you talk about raising children in the same way that educational experts see education in the light of the elite environments and imagine that it applies.
@geraldcaron If you really believe in what you stand for in raising children, you would provide foster care in your home (and commit to it) and see if your theories hold for long. If my third child had been my only child, I would see child raising just like you do. Your only bias is that you lack REAL LIFE experience.
@YJohannM This is not what I am saying. What I say is that it is easy to say how wrong someone else is when you have it easy. It is like someone who claims that child labor is unacceptable not understanding why it happens.
@geraldcaron If you know that you may not be able to handle it, then isn't it wise to not have many children, though? It's not like it can't be prevented if you choose.
@YJohannM Well, I can tell you that my biggest disciplinary issue, comes from a 20 year old who can't find his own way in his bedroom. Who will argue over all the reasons why he should not do the 30 minutes of chores he is expected to do every day. If I had been informed that I would end up with a 20 year old slob that can't support himself, doesn't leave the house and imagine that he will save the world because he watched Alex Jones, I wouldn't have had him.
@YJohannM That being said, I do not envy you either. Because not having children is being confident that other people's children will take care of you in your old age and that you can trust that the Government will always steal from others to give it to you. And that my friend is as solid as some investments with Berny Madoff.
@YJohannM Having children has always been a selfish act. It is only since the Welfare State that people have been able to rely on "others" to be there for them. My sister takes partial care of my aging mother. My sister has no children. Who will take care of my sister when she becomes older ? Everyone is selfish in their own way. If you have a cat. Do you have this cat to give it food and shelter for altruistic reasons, or for the affection and company you get in return.
@geraldcaron I understand and agree with the concept of egoism. However what I can't relate to is most everyone's absorption with what will happen "when they are old". If you plan accordingly, there is nothing to ponder or worry about. Kind of like with children...PLAN AHEAD. You are in control of you, not someone else.
@geraldcaron Most people have pets for altruistic reasons. Altruism is a natural and normal human sentiment, and any philosophy which tries to show otherwise is depraved. For a good example of such depravity see Ayn Rand. Perhaps one of the most depraved creatures of the 20th century.
@kropotkinbeard1 LOL...what you are describing is the normal "punishment/reward" of the central nervous system. Is that altruism? I suppose you could use that word, but it is nothing more than positive chemical reinforcement in the central nervous system for particular behavior. Rand was correct there; and modern neurscience has supported her theories.
Btw, I'm no Objectivist...Rand was a minarchist, after all. Minarchism is an irrationally emotional position not based on truth.
@YJohannM Uhh...Not quite. Neuroscience supports nothing with regard to ANY of Rand's petty theories. She was a sociopath. And altruism is a normal human sentiment. Just as collectivity is natural, and is the only reason why the human species has lasted this long. I mean, at least according to all science. I agree with your last statement regarding "irrationally emotional position not based on truth" though.
Perhaps that is true. But is says nothing about whether her theories were corect. "Altruism" is actually selfishness when considered in light of brain phsyiology. If there were no positive reinforcement for behavior, ther would be no "positive" behavior...that much is clear.
@kropotkinbeard1 Saddly, Ayn Rand was right, And anyone claiming that people are altruistic are shoveling clouds. The only altruistic people I have ever met, were altruistic using other people's money. When someone gives money to a beggar, they are doing it for one selfish reason; to make themself feel better. Yet, if they had to really work for that "money" they would't give it away.
@geraldcaron I beg to differ. I have found very few things Rand was right about. And her stance on altruism demonstrates a mental disorder. If these are the altruistic people you know you must be in the house WAY too much. Altruism is a natural, biological fact, like compassion, solidarity, etc....Not having these demonstrates pathologies of one sort or another. Rand was probably somewhere between a sociopath and psychopath, severely depressed, as well as several other identifiable disorders.
@kropotkinbeard1 "is a natural, biological fact, like compassion, solidarity, etc...."
These are only biological fact becuase of the reward system in the central nervous system. They tend to make people "feel good". There is no other way they could have evolved. EVERYTHING is based on egoism. What is best for the person controlling their own behavior in their own calculation.
@YJohannM Again, this is one theory of altruism. There are different versions e.g.reciprocal, weak, strong, etc...I'm using the term in the sense of 'if a person sees a child drowning and jumps in to save them'. They are most definitely not considering possible future rewards to themselves. As for a rich person giving assistance in order to get a tax reduction, then this would be selfish. Regardless, Rand was a sociopath, and virtually admitted as much in many of her statements.
@kropotkinbeard1 Even the root cause of saving a child from drowning would be selfish...that is, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do something to help...It would cause me too much grief. Therefore, avoiding that potential grief by saving the child is selfish.
@YJohannM Plus the vanity of saving a life (thinking of oneself as a "life saver") brings much selfish pleasure as well. That's just how things evolved...it makes total sense.
@kropotkinbeard1 That is a strange parallel, so you fell that Ayn Rand stand on reality is a mental disorder. I find it strange. Because I always thought that religious people had a mental disorder for believing in things that are not there. I still side with Rand. Because she exposed the world how it is rather than what people would like it to be. Claiming that someone is delusional for perceiving reality as it is really out of this world. PS Communism = altruism; and it doesn't work
@geraldcaron Basically, yes, I do think it was a mental disorder, and think it's easy to demonstrate. And the irrationality of a religious person's beliefs doesn't automatically qualify them for having a mental disorder, though it could be debated. Some disorders are worse than others. Rand's description of why she found the psychology of a serial killer so attractive almost announces her pathology. There are MANY other signs, but that's enough for now. Rand's notion of how the world is had...
@geraldcaron ...had little to do with reality at all. And she most definitely DID try and construct it as she would like it to be. I'm assuming you haven't read the piece by her long time cohort of 18 years, Branden, who knew her work better than anyone, and who became a psychologist himself, and quite accurately describes what I assumed most folks recognized without having to have any psychological sophistication. People in Scientology believe they perceive the world as it actually is, too.
@geraldcaron Here, after you have looked at ALL of these links, you'll have a better idea what you're dealing with. Also, there is no evidence whatsoever to support your last statement. None. I mean, depending on which form of communism you're talking about, and there are several. The USSR was the antithesis of socialism, so we can scratch that one. Somalia is a pretty good example of a Libertarian state though.
@kropotkinbeard1 USSR, North Korea, Cuba, the Khmer Rouge are good example of Communism. And for Libertarian, I would say early USA and Hong Kong. There is a difference between "the rule of Law", and the absence of rules or laws. Somalia is an example of Anarchy.
@geraldcaron Uhhh....Sorry, but not a single country you've mentioned remotely resembles socialism. Not even close. What's odd is that people STILL think this even after it's been obvious from the beginning of each that they were nothing of the sort. Sorry to bust the propaganda bubble for you, but these places were the opposite of socialism. Easy test, too: Was the industry of the country under the control of the people? Not at all. Hence, not socialist. USA and HK are not Libertarian at all.
@geraldcaron By the way, we cn get into the reasons why people would have EVER believed the countries you've mentioned to be socialist in the first place later if you wish. It'S the result of LOTS of propaganda. It's worked quite well as well see.
@kropotkinbeard1 There is nothing wrong with a "socialist" society if it is voluntarily and unanimously consented to. That's what a voluntary society is...whatever the inhabitants voluntarily wish it to be as distinct individuals. If they want to be a collective, fine. If others don't want to participate in that collective, that's fine as well. And if that socialist society collapses economically that's also their choice to live in it.
@kropotkinbeard1 "Somalia is a pretty good example of a Libertarian state though."
LOL..yeah ok...A band of criminals that have no respect for others in a society subsequent to the collapse of a dictatorial state, is a good example of a libertarian "state". Somalia is the DIRECT result of the failure of a State. Furthermore, there can be no such thing as a libertarian "state", because a voluntary society is opposed to a state (monopoly of violence) of any kind.
@YJohannM ANd you think a libertarian society would end up being any different? It would be worse. There would be monopolies of private violence as opposed to state violence. There are all sort of indications that Libs. know this as well, as they usually try and slip little items in to cover their behinds. It's one of the HUGE holes in the theory. There are MANY huge holes, but this is one of them. Not much different that anarcho-capitalism in the sense that it wouldn't last for a week.
@kropotkinbeard1 You mean kind of like how the freedom of the marketplace of the internet hasn't "lasted for a week"??? LOL
What are we doing right now other than engaging in voluntary, peaceful interaction? That all a voluntary society is. Peaceful cooperation for the mutual benefit of all involved. There is absolutely no reason why it can't be expanded to included all aspects of society. The initiation of violence doesn't solve problems.
@YJohannM Uhhh...You shouldn't laugh before you know what mistakes you've made. The Internet wouldn't exist were it not for the state via taxes paying for it. And many industries would have absolute crashed out of business were it not for the state/us, again, giving them assistance. I said nothing about certain aspects of a marketplace not working. I said that in a purely capitalist system it wouldn't last for a week. I know of not a single economist who would claim otherwise. Yes, we are...
@kropotkinbeard1 "And many industries would have absolute crashed out of business were it not for the state/us, again, giving them assistance. "
They most certainly should have went out of business then, because that means that customers lack of voluntary patronage of such industries don't support them. What we have no isn't capitalism, but corporatism or crony capitalism -- a partnership between uncompetitive business and government (which is the monopoly on the initiation of force).
@YJohannM Furthermore, the "internet" would have remained a tool only for merchants of war and death to communicate, if it weren't' for entrepreneurs. Government provides nothing of value when taking into account the opportunity cost -- moreover, they just make EVERYTHING worse in the long run. They are really good at theft, murder and plunder, though...THE best, in fact.
@YJohannM I agree. I also believe that it's an insult to the people for them to be left out of such decision making processes in terms of how their tax dollars are used when funneled into the military. We have no say so. The Internet is the perfect example. Perhaps the people would have voted to have some of their tax dollars to go toward this. I probably would have, maybe, unless I heard something better at the time. Point is, we had no choice. THIS is a major problem as well.
@YJohannM ..we are engaging in a voluntary, peaceful interaction. And? I've said nothing which would indicate that this is not possible. And, yes, an all voluntary society is pretty much a democratic socialist society. Free people decide how they wish for their society to be formed. Perfectly consistent with socialism. And for the "benefit of all" could be quoted directly from most any socialist tract. Who said anything about violence? I'm against violence, as everything I've said indicates.
@geraldcaron Yes, you're 100% completely correct. It would be far better to listen to a bad parent than to apply knowledge from experts with years of research about raising children. Obviously, Stef is living in a bubble and you're correct.
@geraldcaron when was the last time you angrily "lost it" and spanked your wife to make her change her behavior? what would happen to you if she were to tell the cops about your angry attempts to change her behavior through physical contact?
@LotharioRowe See, wives are different, because you are not responsible for their behavior and outcomes. This is why over half of men will divorce their wives. Yet people usually do not divorce from their children.
@geraldcaron you're setting up illusory classes of human beings to justify your aggression. In reality, all human beings are human beings, and the initiation of force is a fundamental immorality with disastrous social consequences for everyone. It doesn't matter who you are, what your name is, where you live, what your age is, or how you came into this world - the initiation of force and aggression against another is fundamentally immoral.
@LotharioRowe In fact I believe in what you are pointing out. The only problem is with phrases "the initiation of force ... fundamentally immoral" it becomes a dogma and it looses the reality. Here is a factual example. A late teen child, his parents expect a little contribution from him and the young responds "You do the chores, you are the one that needs to loose weight after all" then he would go to his room and ask when supper will be ready. In my world, he would get wacked.
Than I watched it, and the part that I was most outraged about is, using a computer is damn near a nessisity these days. AAnd to me.. It seemed like this man had gone on a power trip, and was just beating because he could. I'm not convinced this happened often.Or if One time thing. But fact is he struck terror into HIS DAUGHTER in the WAY HE DID IT is inexusable.
The friend who linked bears scars from this kind of abuse.. Thats why this is an outrage.
Since you're implying getting angry at child abuse really means you're a child abuser yourself, then what would you say is the appropriate reaction to viewing something like that?
I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but I'm really curious to know what you feel is an appropriate emotion to feel upon witnessing that type of thing.
Sorry Stef you're reaction here is inappropriate and weird.
How did you react when you saw that? Did you smile? No you made a video condemning the people who were enraged. You implied their guilty of abusing their own kids.
Did you condemn the people who were saying that bitch deserved the beating? NO lol, you condemn those who reacted appropriately with rage towards the parents.
Did you see the vid were the lady put the cat in the dumpster? Are we cat killers for being angry at that?
@Iseeyoursoul Ah but why such outrage of the kitty? Does it take primacy over that of the chicken, pig or cow? How many people were outraged by the death, if it died, of this kitty then went to McDonald's?
Those who are 'outraged' are ridiculous and guilty?
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's like saying if witnessing a thief in action makes you angry, then you're a closet thief. If you get angry by witnessing a rape you're a closet rapist.
If you get angry by seeing a kid getting abused you're an abuser. You get angry by seeing someone using drugs, you're a drug user.
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If you DON't get angry at those parents after seeing that, something is seriously wrong with you.
I was spanked as a kid and, yes, it did scar me mentally. If I ever have kids I will NEVER spank them. NEVER!
What really bothers me about this case is how people are trying to blame the daughter for releasing the video - as if she's trying to cash in on it or something. These people abused her, plain and simple.
My aunt and uncle never spanked my cousins and I find them much better off in life than myself. Yet, my parents constantly ridiculed them for not spanking. To me, it makes no sense.
Also online she admits that she was not spanked very often, in addition she had an online journal which told a very different story, but she removed many of the entries, but there's still an entry online where she talks about her "monster" of a father being stupid for running into a burning house barefooted in his shorts to save his neighbors.
I can't see beating my son with a belt for watching TV or surfing the net, if I have taken away the TV/computer I unplug it or enable a password to deny access.
He didn't beat her because she was watching some video. He beat her because she refused to comply with his demands in a timely manner and his authority is absolute. If she had forgotten to brush her teeth before bed he would have done the same. It is not because it was in her best interest... she was punished for not complying
You can follow her twitter under "shoeofallcosmos". Saying she was punished for using the internet is grossly misleading, she was on the net & playing video games ALL THE TIME instead of doing her schoolwork. She posts dad's "harassing" texts on her twitter, but admits to removing many of the texts she sent to him...once again manipulating the situation. & why did she not document her bruises? I'm not convinced this was a regular occurrence & not 1 situation that got out of hand.
The father was wrong, but you people claiming any kind of sexual fulfillment are nuts & no it was not for just "using the internet" like she says! She was using the internet improperly & wouldn't stop so dad had the internet turned off for 3 years! Then it was turned back on for her schoolwork, she put an illegal filesharing program on, parents found out & made her remove it, then she put it back on AGAIN & that is what she was punished for...REPEATEDLY DISOBEYING HER PARENTS!
@jlcakes29 totally serious question here :) the daughter repeatedly disobeyed her parents, i agree with you... would you be justifying the judges/parents actions had they decided to soccer-kick her in the face a dozen times? or jam bamboo shoots under her fingernails or butt out cigarrettes on her flesh?... or is that too far... but beating her like some sort of horse in the kentucky derby is ok
@jlcakes29 im really sorry, i see i missed your first sentence about the father being wrong in that one comment... so, my comment is kind of pointless now o_O
ppl got balls to be shocked because is on internet nothing more, if this happen in real life they will just walk away because there is a risk to be punch on the face by aggressor
look at mainstream US film industry over the last fifty years.. and you will see that healthy sex is taboo. however if a woman is being raped for apparent dramatic effect - that is deemed OK...
This father has a crazy number of rules about what is not aloud.. so will not own what he really wants to do.. one of those things is fuck his daughter.. so he looks for an excuse to beat her instead.. a bit more disturbing than usual corporal punishment...
@daemonnice sometimes being a friend to your child isn't enough. And we use fear constantly to influence decisions. Its not THAT bad of a thing. I stil stand by my objections. A child is better off if they have some form of correction in the home. They learn how society works much more realistically. If you do something wrong (ie. steal, do harm, disrespect) then there are consequences. Being too soft on a child can cause long term harm.
@CloverfieldMonster95 So what your saying is that in school, the workplace and in society that bodily assault is a form of punishment that will happen or are you saying anything at all? The punishments we give our children is supposed to be a mirror of what happens in the world when they make mistakes are do wrong in order to teach lessons. Assault/hitting is not something that one would expect in the workplace for not making a deadline. It is a crime when done to an adult.
I was shocked. Firstly, I've never seen corporal punishment take place. I don't know anyone who openly admits to such behaviour, and I was not punished this way as a child. I had no idea the figures were so high, but even so, I am skeptical that most spankings are this prolonged and severe, with so much rage. You do have to recognise a difference in degree. Shoving someone and breaking their jaw with your fist are both assault, but we still correctly see one as worse than the other.
Where does that 90% statistic come from? I strongly doubt it's that high in this day and age. You can't believe every statistic that someone throws out, especially if they don't even cite a source.
It's a fact that 67.5% of all statistics are made up, including this one.
Wow, I had no idea it was as much as 90%. I would have guessed it would be lower than 20%. But what do I know, I have no children. I'm not as chocked by that video as I am of the fact that 90% has inflicted pain on their children.
I was shocked because a judge, who everyone knows are moral and upstanding individuals, turned out to be a violent and oppressive person. Whoever saw that coming?
@philliproemer21 wrote: "I was shocked because a judge, who everyone knows are moral and upstanding individuals, turned out to be a violent and oppressive person. Whoever saw that coming?"
What a surprise! Next thing you know, you'll find out that a priest sexually abused young boys. Naw; that would never happen!
Is it true that most laws are designed for interpretation from the executor of the law? I mean, when one talk about victim and criminal and tell them to explain their view of the same law, how can a law be justice if the two views are separate? Should not the law be written for minimizing the pain in a society for people with different views and multiple executors of the law?
I have stood up. At the breakroom at work my coworker said "When my kid won't go in the shower is hit her so hard!" I explained to her that she has a chance to end the cycle of violence, that she did it because it's the reality she was brought up in. I told her to give the kid positive reinforcement for shower taking instead and that at some point she should hopefully have a conversation with the kid about how what happened wasn't right. You can have this conversation too guys! trust me :)
After hearing stefs take on this situation, I can't help but draw a parallel to the ows movement, the way marines or other military people got all up in arms over the way that person got their head smashed in from a tear gas canister... Many marines felt "bad" and "sorry" for the guy and spoke out over the incident, yet if they looked in the mirror just once, and evaluated their actions, they're no better than the police riot squad busting heads... The hypocrisy stinks
Stef?? I'm very disappointed in you. You have a golden tongue. I wish I could speak like you. You know what "false propaganda' is. Distractions, diversions, ect. Way to go! You've just jumped on the "abortion", "gay", and "inequality" propaganda debate ect. WTF are you doing?? You are promoting their own "divisions". (dividing the people) There will be no agreement on this subject...ever. Dont get me wrong, I agree with everything you said. But really, who's side are you on?
I've been beaten way badly when I was half her age, no outrage because of this.
However, I'm outraged by the Judge's stupidity. In my opinion it shouldn't go unpunished. The stupidity of getting caught that is.
Unfortunately he relaxed too soon. He should've stayed focused. Being vigilant all the time is the key, nobody has to know. Ask my father if you don't believe me, he's an expert.
@JaceJohanson I mean seriously you worked hard to get a home, and a job, and you allowed your child to enter the world. They are living on your property and are dependent on you. They should respect your authority. Abuse is wrong but making them realize their are consequences in Life (I'm really sick of saying this) is one of the most important lessons a child can learn. True correction shows a parents love for their child. Not beating them like in this particular video. Unjust and pointless.
All initiation of force is unjust and immoral. The idea that you cannot correct and influence behavior without violence is without merit. I used to get my ass kicked for lying. Now I have a reputation for being honest. Does that mean getting hit caused me to stop lying? No. I happened to take note of how admired my Grandpa is for his honesty and endeavored to become like him. A behavior stopping after punishment could and often is correlated not causal.
@CloverfieldMonster95 Allowed your child to enter the world? That is a curious way of putting it. As if the child was standing somewhere knocking on the door. The child did not exist. The child IS the consequence of the actions of the parent. Which is why the parent is responsible, not the child. The child did not have a choice and did not have anything to do with the fact that it's here. The fact that it's on the parents property and so on is a consequence of the parents choices.
@JaceJohanson I'm not arguing that point. I don't know enought to speculate and comment further on the effects of it. But seriously are you freaking out on me for thinking that incentive for a child to not do wrong is bad just because they get spanked or slapped on the face sometimes. I wasn't an animal not understanding what I did wrong but I realized I was out of line with my parents. I also never knew why I wasn't being hit. Why are being so emotional? Use some reason.
I thought the outrage was because the child was getting punished over putting a video game on the computer. If she gets beaten like that for such a low priority rule, just think what goes on when she sneaks out to be with friends after being grounded and gets caught. No one needs to beat their children, if they do, they dont have a healthy relationship with them. A healthy relationship defeats the need to forcibly punish. Moreover, there are so many better ways to punish, like taking away wants.
Paddling should be brought back for Jr. High and below. It works and does not leave emotional scars,I know.
But we as American have become so thin skinned and such pussies.Spill a cup of McDonald coffee..sue.We are upset by everything.We use words such as politically correct,and use the word racist for just about everything and just sue, sue,sue.Everything has to be "our" way, otherwise we are "offended" by just about everything.Tough times are coming and Americans will not be able to stand it
Because they weren't beat enough? If what you say is true then we should make it the accepted form of punishment for everyone and all behaviors. Late for work? Ten lashes. Speeding? Public beating by an officer on the side of the road. We'll have the toughest people in the world. Ever notice that a beat dog doesn't get tougher but instead becomes a fearful coward afraid to act? You would doom our nation to one filled with people who would act just the same.
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
What you are saying is plain foolishness and you know it. You are talking about beating.There is a big difference and you know it. You need to re-read my post.
@stefbot well sure there are good children and yes showing them love is important. But I'm just saying that making the child realize that the world is harsh and sometimes unforgiving sometime in their childhood is needed. My father taught me not to expect handouts and I should make my own living and my mom taught me that she isn't always gonna be there. It helped when i had a realization of pain. it made me more grateful, courteous, respectful and led me to want to avoid pain as much as i could.
When my family moved to the US in 1960, I went to a FL school and they gave the boys who were troublemakers "wackes".They had a long paddle, like a flat cricket bat with holes through the wood.They had you bend over with your pants pulled up as tight as they could.The dean would hit you with all his might.I was a kid who would upset class by doing crazy things.I got 3 of those wackes and could not sit for a bit.It hurt.I learned and was a pussycat after that.I thought it was funny.It worked
@CloverfieldMonster95 Assuming a child can understand what you are saying, before they touch a hot stove what's wrong with saying 'Hey, don't touch that, it's hot.' and if they don't listen, well score 1 for the parent! That makes the parent look smart and wise and worth listening to in the future. Children don't act disrespectfully without learning it from the parents. You treat it as if these qualities are randomly assigned to children and parents need to deal with if they're so unlucky.
act unkind, disrespectful, dishonest, disrespectful, dishonest, hateful, unreasonably disobedient, and uncaring. Especially in a Voluntary society! This would be even more essential for a child to learn. There would be no government to provide security of them and bail them out for their mistakes and the neighbors would have no legal obligation to help them. So I ask you...Would you please think of the children? The world probably won't forgive them. But I think if you make it clear cont.
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If a child is reaching for a hot stove, would you simply take them away from it and tell them it would hurt if he/she touched it? Or would you smack them on the hand and let them experienced a lessened form of the pain they might have recieved? there are examples where using force on a child is more rationally advantageous for that childs future. If you truly loved your child you would make it very clear (not necessarily through corporal punishment) that there is pain in life if they cont.
@CloverfieldMonster95 I'm sorry, but that is not the case – I have been stay-at-home father for almost 3 years, and I've never found the need to even raise my voice at my highly energetic and curious daughter - let alone hit her - and she has been perfectly safe, and listens beautifully! Children listen better, and are safer, when they are respected rather than threatened.
Being the father of a single and apparently docile daughter does not entitle you to judge how all children ought to be handled.
In my experience with large families, I find that many children are impervious to reason, supremely self-centered, unrepentantly rebellious, and chronic liars. You shouldn't treat a little monster the way you would treat a little angel. And the kid will be grateful for it when he/she matures.
@twk373 layout the lives of the children you speak of. If it's not bullying, being spoiled, parents not maintaining consistency, parents lying (or any others in the household and it holding utility), then ask yourself, where did she learn all of these things? If you can't find an answer to how/where she 'learned' these things, then therein lies why your assumption falls on it's face...point is answer is in the house, and the child isn't the problem, so depressing them wont suppress anything.
@twk373 "I find that many children are impervious to reason, supremely self-centered, unrepentantly rebellious, and chronic liars."
I've never met a child that is like that, that is not mirroring it's parents. Please show me a child who's parents are honest, reasonable, patient, kind, compassionate and open to dialogue that is behaving the way you're describing.
@twk373 My experience, well, I have been interested in psychology and childhood for many years and I also observe. With large families, it seems like too many people unfortunately decide to have a third and fourth child before first mastering the skill of meeting the needs of the first two, or themselves. Two kids, you can kind of backtrack, work through your own childhood issues and work the problems out. Three kids, it's starting to become much more difficult.....
Observe what? I don't disagree that the progressive crusade against the family has greatly damaged the ability of parents (particularly black/hispanic parents) to raise children.
In any case, it remains that most children are not angelic, and many are downright monstrous. Just like it is foolish to expect explanations of the "concept" of multiplication to substitute for rote learning, it is foolish to expect a child to internalize philosophical ethics. Discipline is necessary.
@twk373 A child's brain operates on philosophical ethics. They're also programmed to imitate the behavior of their parents. Read about "mirror neurons". I'm really sorry for what you must have been through to call children monstrous.
@CloverfieldMonster95 I understand the need to restraint children from hurting themselves and no non-hitting (spanking) parent would ever allow a greater harm to happen to their child. It is more advantageous to instruct children on dangers than to inflict a lessor physical pain. Most physical aggression I have seen from parent to child is more about the anxiety of the parent lashing out at their child.
@CloverfieldMonster95 To answer your question, I would/have patiently and repeatedly warned the child of an "Owa", screwing up my face for emphassis. I did this because I truly love and respect the life that is my child's and I want my child's love and respect. Violence does not earn you respect, it earns you fear.
@CloverfieldMonster95 Tried that... and every time I would pull my son away he would reach for it again and again. It was not until I allowed him to be scold his hand that he understood the true danger. It makes no sense for me to cause my son pain to prevent him from feeling pain. A singed finger will heal in a few days but the emotional trama of slapping/spanking/yelling will last years.
Some lessions must be learned first hand. Warn/explain dangers and let the child trust you, not fear you
this pales in comparison to abuse of children in cps custody, all of it is unethical an absolutelly immoral and done with impunity. I am surprised he did not rape her as well. Having children quickly brings to the foreground all the incomplete issues in life the parent(s) has, and that is just the tip of the iceberg, the fact that either willful or unconscious these actions make me wonder if ever there was any soul searching or ethical internal dialogue. A tree, a rock , a cloud.
The message is fine but what is the context of these stats? I don't have a single acquaintance who hits their children. Stef can you reference the data points. I find them interesting.
Oh, and pain does not equate to harm. 20 reps of 50 pounds is pain. One mile in 7 minutes is pain. A masters sans loans and working odd jobs is pain. Do these do harm?
Welcome to herd mentality -- spare the rod and spoil the child -- what a great way to recruit COPs/Soldiers/TSA from within the ranks of the Sheeple. FREEDUMB
MrSchpankme 2 months ago
I agree with the 90% statistic, however, I think that the empathy-based response of outrage at the beating video is actually a very good sign. What I found most disturbing was the video's audio, and the helpless outcry of one human being under physical attack from another. That this outcry, that being witness to such pain causes anger from a viewer is a positive reaction. If that reaction is properly interpreted, it is a further step to ending abuse in the home.
erentheca 2 months ago
To previous commenters, these are statistics gathered by sources readily available. You can assert that this is not the case, but that's all it is, an assertion. You can disagree, but what does it even mean without enough refuting data to back up your mere unsupported assertion?
Undeterminism 2 months ago
Additionally... please be careful using statistics. There are so often far from the truth that we should stop relying on them.
xyrial 2 months ago
(part 1) Hi Stef, just wanted to say that this is the first video I've watched from you that I HAVE TO DISAGREE! I love your video's, I recommended them to many of my friends. But this one is a disappointment. I'm afraid you're right that it happens far to often (although I'm not sure about the 90% though). Here in Europe it does happen, it does happen too often, but surely not 90%.
xyrial 2 months ago
(part 2) You're right about that people should stand up against it by ácting against it. But you're really off here when it comes to hypocrisy. My stomach felt like turning upside down when I watched the video. Never seen something like this 'live' before. Surely upsetting. Nothing fake about my emotions. It's disgusting that we've not REALLY learned from the past. In that sense I (and we all) have the right to be disappointed about our 'learning curve'.
xyrial 2 months ago
Yes lets compare everything to a fucking movie made in 1942. Are you sure you are all there? That is fucking stupid. This IS NOT the norm in 90% of households. If this was the case for you, than I am sorry but you were abused growing up.
myndmelt 3 months ago
@myndmelt .. Religion teaches 90% of the Public to beat children, women and whores. Which planet do you live on? Beam me up Scotty.
MrSchpankme 2 months ago
society lover i presume? Judging everything by statistics. Have you ever considered the possibility of human corruption? That most of the worlds population has been manipulated and corrupted into doing such negative things like child abuse. You act so mighty and intelligent, yet you forget to think outside the box. You live in your own little world, where you believe everything you say is correct. I call such people ignorant.
And you talk as if everyone should behave according to statistics...
KvizY 3 months ago
@KvizY question is this. did he say something in the video that wasn't true?
Ravengaurd6 3 months ago
@Ravengaurd6 If you're little brain proccesses statistics as facts, then yes, he is speaking the truth.
But if you view life at a humane point of view then you would realise that this person speaks shit the government wants you to speak.
Hes trying to convert the 10% of normal and humane people into the 90% of brainwashed government lackies.
KvizY 3 months ago
@KvizY How?
Ravengaurd6 3 months ago
@Ravengaurd6 by "teaching" people to view statistics as guidance to how they should act.
KvizY 3 months ago
@KvizY what should he have done in instead?
Ravengaurd6 3 months ago
@Ravengaurd6 Something along the lines of "dont post such misguiding rubbish" maybe?
KvizY 3 months ago
To all Parents, if you have ever punished your kids by inflicting pain, like this comment. If you have never done so, Dislike. Totally unscientific but most surveys are full of it. Test this 90%
Dubwise78 3 months ago
whats wrong with you people saying everyone needs some spanking, go be friends with someone that beats you up, yet its okay to hit defenseless children? YOU are what is wrong with this world
dannyv233 3 months ago
(i have bad spelling i know)
wow i was one of the lucky one 10 precent that didnt got punished physically apprently
you can raise a kid and not spank them
if you spank your unfit to be a parent
all studies show that kids being physically punished is more likely to be anti social react more violent because kids react to what parents do and not what they preach
it's painful and humiliating, and leads to resentment and revenge, not remorse or impulse control
i considered it violence
pailmaster 3 months ago
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pailmaster 3 months ago
Idiotic stuff Stefan.
You are doing what you do on so many of your philosophical meanderings, reify your overly simple interpretations as inerrant fact and generalise in a comically reductionist way.
Lo-and-behold where do we end up at the end of yet another stefbot video - not untypical you manage to solve issues that blight mankind in a short Youtube clip whilst condemning all those who live outside your head.
smallblueclouds 3 months ago
@smallblueclouds abuse much?
VCADD 3 months ago
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@VCADD
"abuse much?"
Your comment is too general, you've put too little information in if you were hoping for a reply.
smallblueclouds 3 months ago
@smallblueclouds
he does seem to in a godlike way condem everyone who lives outside his head..
but the scary thing is .. in this case the truth is that simple.. that he is right..
reminds me of zappa ..
suziecreamchease 3 months ago
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"but the scary thing is .. in this case the truth is that simple.. that he is right.."
We will have to disagree on that, my opinion is that Stefan tends to paint the world in comically simple terms - and tends to offer only solutions to his own straw man interpretations.
smallblueclouds 3 months ago
all children need a good spanking now and then, Our society is a joke!
brder4ev 3 months ago
Thank you Stef.
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I was spanked as a kid and I'm not scarred. I will never spank my kids, but I understand that my parents thought they where doing the right thing at the time. I also have a great relationship with my parents.
kittycatcarley 3 months ago
OMG, the amount of people condoning parent child violence here is insane, and shows we are far from civilised. Just for clarification, it is not ok, or logical, or remotely productive to beat children, or your wife, or your husband, or your dog. And I for one am prepared to use reasonable force to stop ANYONE from using violence on vulnerable people.
jwhitenstall 3 months ago 2
I too cannot see why the controversy. The girl was belted by her father. She was a minor so it was his right and duty to punish her if he deemed it necessary or beneficial. It was a fairly mild beating and the girl was fully clothed, not a birching on the bare buttocks the drew blood.
markmywords53 3 months ago
@markmywords53 So it's not the initiation of violence per se, but just the degree of violence that would make it unethical???
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM I don't see it as violence, just a father punishing his wayward daughter. And as for the degree of force used, yes, I would probably have a problem with it if it resulted in permanent injuries, unless the circumstances were acceptable. But belting her, fully clothed, especially when she was 15 rather than say a toddler, I don't see a problem.
markmywords53 3 months ago
@markmywords53
somantics is obviously a very powerful socio-political tool.
if one person kills one other person - it is "murder" commited by a "murderer"
if a group of people wearing military uniforms following orders and killing children by the thousands - it is "war" carried out by "patriots"
This is not a sexually frustrated middleaged man beating his own daughter for no good reason - it is a "father punishing his wayward daugher, his wife is dutifully doing her best as well" not really
suziecreamchease 3 months ago
i think it's interesting how people are so certain that physical discipline is so wrong when there couldn't possibly be conclusive evidence on the consequences of action. there are SO many factors in a childs upbringing that it would be almost impossible to say for sure yet people speak on the topic in such a matter-of-fact way. i was spanked by my father. we are close as adults. i don't have issues with violence or abuse or authority or critical reasoning skills. so what are we linking this to?
ilshockll 3 months ago
dear Stephan.
are you shocked that most "people" would pretend to be shocked at something they would readily do themselves?
certainly you realize the irony...;-)
1HumanKind 3 months ago
Stephan once said you can NEVER justify hitting something 1/4 your hight and 20% your brain-capacity. It's one of the most sane, sound and undebatable points I had ever heard...or so I thought.
I have yet to meet a single person in my life who agrees with me when raising this point. It seems almost everyone forged one or two reasons that they think can justify hitting a child, some even more than hitting a teenager "Because teens can be reasoned with, but kids cannot."
The world is truly mad.
PDzero 3 months ago 2
"Hey, you let your kids have a sip of wine from time to time; why are you so outraged that someone else made their kid sick from alcohol poisoning? Isn't that hypocritical?"
shamgar001 3 months ago
I'm I the only one who sees the girl pushing the buttons of her parents? The girl is obviously setting her parents up for this. Without a doubt the parents went nuts, even more nuts than the teen was ready for I think,,, but none the less, she is a master manipulator. A product of the Humanist schools no doubt.
btigtime2 3 months ago
I was spank when I was young but I am a really zin guy and remained silent and motionless during it. I was not spanked after awhile.
greenghost2008 3 months ago
"examples that have been shared with me"
made my flesh crawl so badly, i had to stop listening.
KEvron
KEvronista 3 months ago
As usual Stefan is dead-on again
BelgianBrain 3 months ago 2
I have the perfect punishment for children,push ups !
You cant get wrong with that .
TrollogyExpert 3 months ago
westners are hypocrites
LieExtinguisher 3 months ago
I had a belt across my ass THREE times as a kid. The rest of those "times" were merely a hand pointing to the belt. I learned to respect my father quickly and concretely. I will not strike my children. I have learned other ways to help rear them. I have stood up for children being beaten in public. I told a lady to beat me instead if she can't control herself, let alone help her child with a misunderstanding. Many have stopped from my dirty look. Imagine the child's mind/spirit from violence.
anyonefindAMERICA1 3 months ago
@deadman12078 I disagree. I'll leave it at that. I'm tired of arguing this point. A child is naturally unruly and selfish. While they needed to be provide for, loved, and educated, they should be punished when needed.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
Have you guys reflected on how often parents lie to their children? They lie constantly, about all kinds of things under the sun. One family I know of, don't want to get pets. So they've told their child she's allergic to fur! To prevent her from ever getting on their case to get a cat or puppy, they lie and make her believe she's allergic. Great. And the parents expect their kids to always tell them the truth...well..why don't they start...
Zerafinel 3 months ago
why girl not hit back, or bite. dummy girl. On the other hand she take videotabe so she know how self defense or revenge or something
Engravingsful 3 months ago
Steph, I have heard you talking about children many times. I have 4 children myself, yet I have lost it with some and not with others. I think that you should get out more. You became a father in the later years, with someone providing the stable income. You would benefit from getting out of your bubble because you talk about raising children in the same way that educational experts see education in the light of the elite environments and imagine that it applies.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron If you really believe in what you stand for in raising children, you would provide foster care in your home (and commit to it) and see if your theories hold for long. If my third child had been my only child, I would see child raising just like you do. Your only bias is that you lack REAL LIFE experience.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Nah...it's much easier just to beat 'em...After all, you turned out good, right???
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM This is not what I am saying. What I say is that it is easy to say how wrong someone else is when you have it easy. It is like someone who claims that child labor is unacceptable not understanding why it happens.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron If you know that you may not be able to handle it, then isn't it wise to not have many children, though? It's not like it can't be prevented if you choose.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Well, I can tell you that my biggest disciplinary issue, comes from a 20 year old who can't find his own way in his bedroom. Who will argue over all the reasons why he should not do the 30 minutes of chores he is expected to do every day. If I had been informed that I would end up with a 20 year old slob that can't support himself, doesn't leave the house and imagine that he will save the world because he watched Alex Jones, I wouldn't have had him.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron LOL...I don't envy you, my friend. I have no children, and couldn't be more pleased with that. I'm doing the World and myself a favor.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM That being said, I do not envy you either. Because not having children is being confident that other people's children will take care of you in your old age and that you can trust that the Government will always steal from others to give it to you. And that my friend is as solid as some investments with Berny Madoff.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron LMAO!!! I couldn't care less. And that's the most abysmal and selfish reason I can think of to continue the line of your genetics.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Having children has always been a selfish act. It is only since the Welfare State that people have been able to rely on "others" to be there for them. My sister takes partial care of my aging mother. My sister has no children. Who will take care of my sister when she becomes older ? Everyone is selfish in their own way. If you have a cat. Do you have this cat to give it food and shelter for altruistic reasons, or for the affection and company you get in return.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron I understand and agree with the concept of egoism. However what I can't relate to is most everyone's absorption with what will happen "when they are old". If you plan accordingly, there is nothing to ponder or worry about. Kind of like with children...PLAN AHEAD. You are in control of you, not someone else.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Most people have pets for altruistic reasons. Altruism is a natural and normal human sentiment, and any philosophy which tries to show otherwise is depraved. For a good example of such depravity see Ayn Rand. Perhaps one of the most depraved creatures of the 20th century.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 LOL...what you are describing is the normal "punishment/reward" of the central nervous system. Is that altruism? I suppose you could use that word, but it is nothing more than positive chemical reinforcement in the central nervous system for particular behavior. Rand was correct there; and modern neurscience has supported her theories.
Btw, I'm no Objectivist...Rand was a minarchist, after all. Minarchism is an irrationally emotional position not based on truth.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Uhh...Not quite. Neuroscience supports nothing with regard to ANY of Rand's petty theories. She was a sociopath. And altruism is a normal human sentiment. Just as collectivity is natural, and is the only reason why the human species has lasted this long. I mean, at least according to all science. I agree with your last statement regarding "irrationally emotional position not based on truth" though.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 "She was a sociopath"
Perhaps that is true. But is says nothing about whether her theories were corect. "Altruism" is actually selfishness when considered in light of brain phsyiology. If there were no positive reinforcement for behavior, ther would be no "positive" behavior...that much is clear.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 Saddly, Ayn Rand was right, And anyone claiming that people are altruistic are shoveling clouds. The only altruistic people I have ever met, were altruistic using other people's money. When someone gives money to a beggar, they are doing it for one selfish reason; to make themself feel better. Yet, if they had to really work for that "money" they would't give it away.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron I beg to differ. I have found very few things Rand was right about. And her stance on altruism demonstrates a mental disorder. If these are the altruistic people you know you must be in the house WAY too much. Altruism is a natural, biological fact, like compassion, solidarity, etc....Not having these demonstrates pathologies of one sort or another. Rand was probably somewhere between a sociopath and psychopath, severely depressed, as well as several other identifiable disorders.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 "is a natural, biological fact, like compassion, solidarity, etc...."
These are only biological fact becuase of the reward system in the central nervous system. They tend to make people "feel good". There is no other way they could have evolved. EVERYTHING is based on egoism. What is best for the person controlling their own behavior in their own calculation.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Again, this is one theory of altruism. There are different versions e.g.reciprocal, weak, strong, etc...I'm using the term in the sense of 'if a person sees a child drowning and jumps in to save them'. They are most definitely not considering possible future rewards to themselves. As for a rich person giving assistance in order to get a tax reduction, then this would be selfish. Regardless, Rand was a sociopath, and virtually admitted as much in many of her statements.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 Even the root cause of saving a child from drowning would be selfish...that is, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do something to help...It would cause me too much grief. Therefore, avoiding that potential grief by saving the child is selfish.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Plus the vanity of saving a life (thinking of oneself as a "life saver") brings much selfish pleasure as well. That's just how things evolved...it makes total sense.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 That is a strange parallel, so you fell that Ayn Rand stand on reality is a mental disorder. I find it strange. Because I always thought that religious people had a mental disorder for believing in things that are not there. I still side with Rand. Because she exposed the world how it is rather than what people would like it to be. Claiming that someone is delusional for perceiving reality as it is really out of this world. PS Communism = altruism; and it doesn't work
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Basically, yes, I do think it was a mental disorder, and think it's easy to demonstrate. And the irrationality of a religious person's beliefs doesn't automatically qualify them for having a mental disorder, though it could be debated. Some disorders are worse than others. Rand's description of why she found the psychology of a serial killer so attractive almost announces her pathology. There are MANY other signs, but that's enough for now. Rand's notion of how the world is had...
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@geraldcaron ...had little to do with reality at all. And she most definitely DID try and construct it as she would like it to be. I'm assuming you haven't read the piece by her long time cohort of 18 years, Branden, who knew her work better than anyone, and who became a psychologist himself, and quite accurately describes what I assumed most folks recognized without having to have any psychological sophistication. People in Scientology believe they perceive the world as it actually is, too.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Here, after you have looked at ALL of these links, you'll have a better idea what you're dealing with. Also, there is no evidence whatsoever to support your last statement. None. I mean, depending on which form of communism you're talking about, and there are several. The USSR was the antithesis of socialism, so we can scratch that one. Somalia is a pretty good example of a Libertarian state though.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 USSR, North Korea, Cuba, the Khmer Rouge are good example of Communism. And for Libertarian, I would say early USA and Hong Kong. There is a difference between "the rule of Law", and the absence of rules or laws. Somalia is an example of Anarchy.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Uhhh....Sorry, but not a single country you've mentioned remotely resembles socialism. Not even close. What's odd is that people STILL think this even after it's been obvious from the beginning of each that they were nothing of the sort. Sorry to bust the propaganda bubble for you, but these places were the opposite of socialism. Easy test, too: Was the industry of the country under the control of the people? Not at all. Hence, not socialist. USA and HK are not Libertarian at all.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@geraldcaron By the way, we cn get into the reasons why people would have EVER believed the countries you've mentioned to be socialist in the first place later if you wish. It'S the result of LOTS of propaganda. It's worked quite well as well see.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 There is nothing wrong with a "socialist" society if it is voluntarily and unanimously consented to. That's what a voluntary society is...whatever the inhabitants voluntarily wish it to be as distinct individuals. If they want to be a collective, fine. If others don't want to participate in that collective, that's fine as well. And if that socialist society collapses economically that's also their choice to live in it.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 "Somalia is a pretty good example of a Libertarian state though."
LOL..yeah ok...A band of criminals that have no respect for others in a society subsequent to the collapse of a dictatorial state, is a good example of a libertarian "state". Somalia is the DIRECT result of the failure of a State. Furthermore, there can be no such thing as a libertarian "state", because a voluntary society is opposed to a state (monopoly of violence) of any kind.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM ANd you think a libertarian society would end up being any different? It would be worse. There would be monopolies of private violence as opposed to state violence. There are all sort of indications that Libs. know this as well, as they usually try and slip little items in to cover their behinds. It's one of the HUGE holes in the theory. There are MANY huge holes, but this is one of them. Not much different that anarcho-capitalism in the sense that it wouldn't last for a week.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 You mean kind of like how the freedom of the marketplace of the internet hasn't "lasted for a week"??? LOL
What are we doing right now other than engaging in voluntary, peaceful interaction? That all a voluntary society is. Peaceful cooperation for the mutual benefit of all involved. There is absolutely no reason why it can't be expanded to included all aspects of society. The initiation of violence doesn't solve problems.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Uhhh...You shouldn't laugh before you know what mistakes you've made. The Internet wouldn't exist were it not for the state via taxes paying for it. And many industries would have absolute crashed out of business were it not for the state/us, again, giving them assistance. I said nothing about certain aspects of a marketplace not working. I said that in a purely capitalist system it wouldn't last for a week. I know of not a single economist who would claim otherwise. Yes, we are...
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 "And many industries would have absolute crashed out of business were it not for the state/us, again, giving them assistance. "
They most certainly should have went out of business then, because that means that customers lack of voluntary patronage of such industries don't support them. What we have no isn't capitalism, but corporatism or crony capitalism -- a partnership between uncompetitive business and government (which is the monopoly on the initiation of force).
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM Furthermore, the "internet" would have remained a tool only for merchants of war and death to communicate, if it weren't' for entrepreneurs. Government provides nothing of value when taking into account the opportunity cost -- moreover, they just make EVERYTHING worse in the long run. They are really good at theft, murder and plunder, though...THE best, in fact.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@YJohannM I agree. I also believe that it's an insult to the people for them to be left out of such decision making processes in terms of how their tax dollars are used when funneled into the military. We have no say so. The Internet is the perfect example. Perhaps the people would have voted to have some of their tax dollars to go toward this. I probably would have, maybe, unless I heard something better at the time. Point is, we had no choice. THIS is a major problem as well.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@YJohannM ..we are engaging in a voluntary, peaceful interaction. And? I've said nothing which would indicate that this is not possible. And, yes, an all voluntary society is pretty much a democratic socialist society. Free people decide how they wish for their society to be formed. Perfectly consistent with socialism. And for the "benefit of all" could be quoted directly from most any socialist tract. Who said anything about violence? I'm against violence, as everything I've said indicates.
kropotkinbeard1 3 months ago
@geraldcaron Yes, you're 100% completely correct. It would be far better to listen to a bad parent than to apply knowledge from experts with years of research about raising children. Obviously, Stef is living in a bubble and you're correct.
jc2753 3 months ago
@geraldcaron when was the last time you angrily "lost it" and spanked your wife to make her change her behavior? what would happen to you if she were to tell the cops about your angry attempts to change her behavior through physical contact?
LotharioRowe 3 months ago
@LotharioRowe See, wives are different, because you are not responsible for their behavior and outcomes. This is why over half of men will divorce their wives. Yet people usually do not divorce from their children.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
@geraldcaron you're setting up illusory classes of human beings to justify your aggression. In reality, all human beings are human beings, and the initiation of force is a fundamental immorality with disastrous social consequences for everyone. It doesn't matter who you are, what your name is, where you live, what your age is, or how you came into this world - the initiation of force and aggression against another is fundamentally immoral.
LotharioRowe 3 months ago
@LotharioRowe In fact I believe in what you are pointing out. The only problem is with phrases "the initiation of force ... fundamentally immoral" it becomes a dogma and it looses the reality. Here is a factual example. A late teen child, his parents expect a little contribution from him and the young responds "You do the chores, you are the one that needs to loose weight after all" then he would go to his room and ask when supper will be ready. In my world, he would get wacked.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
When I saw this, it was linked by a friend.
Than I watched it, and the part that I was most outraged about is, using a computer is damn near a nessisity these days. AAnd to me.. It seemed like this man had gone on a power trip, and was just beating because he could. I'm not convinced this happened often.Or if One time thing. But fact is he struck terror into HIS DAUGHTER in the WAY HE DID IT is inexusable.
The friend who linked bears scars from this kind of abuse.. Thats why this is an outrage.
DefinitionIsGone 3 months ago
What about that dude caught with that kid, that coach or something. Was anything done about that?
WyldOrbit 3 months ago
Stef please just answer this.
Since you're implying getting angry at child abuse really means you're a child abuser yourself, then what would you say is the appropriate reaction to viewing something like that?
I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but I'm really curious to know what you feel is an appropriate emotion to feel upon witnessing that type of thing.
Iseeyoursoul 3 months ago
Sorry Stef you're reaction here is inappropriate and weird.
How did you react when you saw that? Did you smile? No you made a video condemning the people who were enraged. You implied their guilty of abusing their own kids.
Did you condemn the people who were saying that bitch deserved the beating? NO lol, you condemn those who reacted appropriately with rage towards the parents.
Did you see the vid were the lady put the cat in the dumpster? Are we cat killers for being angry at that?
Iseeyoursoul 3 months ago
@Iseeyoursoul Ah but why such outrage of the kitty? Does it take primacy over that of the chicken, pig or cow? How many people were outraged by the death, if it died, of this kitty then went to McDonald's?
DiwataMan 3 months ago
Those who are 'outraged' are ridiculous and guilty?
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's like saying if witnessing a thief in action makes you angry, then you're a closet thief. If you get angry by witnessing a rape you're a closet rapist.
If you get angry by seeing a kid getting abused you're an abuser. You get angry by seeing someone using drugs, you're a drug user.
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If you DON't get angry at those parents after seeing that, something is seriously wrong with you.
Iseeyoursoul 3 months ago
hahaa awesome!
meberic 3 months ago
I was spanked as a kid and, yes, it did scar me mentally. If I ever have kids I will NEVER spank them. NEVER!
What really bothers me about this case is how people are trying to blame the daughter for releasing the video - as if she's trying to cash in on it or something. These people abused her, plain and simple.
My aunt and uncle never spanked my cousins and I find them much better off in life than myself. Yet, my parents constantly ridiculed them for not spanking. To me, it makes no sense.
quasimodojdls 3 months ago 9
Also online she admits that she was not spanked very often, in addition she had an online journal which told a very different story, but she removed many of the entries, but there's still an entry online where she talks about her "monster" of a father being stupid for running into a burning house barefooted in his shorts to save his neighbors.
jlcakes29 3 months ago
I can't see beating my son with a belt for watching TV or surfing the net, if I have taken away the TV/computer I unplug it or enable a password to deny access.
He didn't beat her because she was watching some video. He beat her because she refused to comply with his demands in a timely manner and his authority is absolute. If she had forgotten to brush her teeth before bed he would have done the same. It is not because it was in her best interest... she was punished for not complying
deadman12078 3 months ago
You can follow her twitter under "shoeofallcosmos". Saying she was punished for using the internet is grossly misleading, she was on the net & playing video games ALL THE TIME instead of doing her schoolwork. She posts dad's "harassing" texts on her twitter, but admits to removing many of the texts she sent to him...once again manipulating the situation. & why did she not document her bruises? I'm not convinced this was a regular occurrence & not 1 situation that got out of hand.
jlcakes29 3 months ago
The father was wrong, but you people claiming any kind of sexual fulfillment are nuts & no it was not for just "using the internet" like she says! She was using the internet improperly & wouldn't stop so dad had the internet turned off for 3 years! Then it was turned back on for her schoolwork, she put an illegal filesharing program on, parents found out & made her remove it, then she put it back on AGAIN & that is what she was punished for...REPEATEDLY DISOBEYING HER PARENTS!
jlcakes29 3 months ago
@jlcakes29 totally serious question here :) the daughter repeatedly disobeyed her parents, i agree with you... would you be justifying the judges/parents actions had they decided to soccer-kick her in the face a dozen times? or jam bamboo shoots under her fingernails or butt out cigarrettes on her flesh?... or is that too far... but beating her like some sort of horse in the kentucky derby is ok
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
@jlcakes29 im really sorry, i see i missed your first sentence about the father being wrong in that one comment... so, my comment is kind of pointless now o_O
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
I was shocked because he couldn't control his anger so I couldn't I imagine myself front of him in court.
timszon 3 months ago
ppl got balls to be shocked because is on internet nothing more, if this happen in real life they will just walk away because there is a risk to be punch on the face by aggressor
cosy18 3 months ago
i think that one elephant in the room is sex..
look at mainstream US film industry over the last fifty years.. and you will see that healthy sex is taboo. however if a woman is being raped for apparent dramatic effect - that is deemed OK...
This father has a crazy number of rules about what is not aloud.. so will not own what he really wants to do.. one of those things is fuck his daughter.. so he looks for an excuse to beat her instead.. a bit more disturbing than usual corporal punishment...
suziecreamchease 3 months ago
@daemonnice sometimes being a friend to your child isn't enough. And we use fear constantly to influence decisions. Its not THAT bad of a thing. I stil stand by my objections. A child is better off if they have some form of correction in the home. They learn how society works much more realistically. If you do something wrong (ie. steal, do harm, disrespect) then there are consequences. Being too soft on a child can cause long term harm.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 So what your saying is that in school, the workplace and in society that bodily assault is a form of punishment that will happen or are you saying anything at all? The punishments we give our children is supposed to be a mirror of what happens in the world when they make mistakes are do wrong in order to teach lessons. Assault/hitting is not something that one would expect in the workplace for not making a deadline. It is a crime when done to an adult.
NonProphetess 3 months ago
I was shocked. Firstly, I've never seen corporal punishment take place. I don't know anyone who openly admits to such behaviour, and I was not punished this way as a child. I had no idea the figures were so high, but even so, I am skeptical that most spankings are this prolonged and severe, with so much rage. You do have to recognise a difference in degree. Shoving someone and breaking their jaw with your fist are both assault, but we still correctly see one as worse than the other.
tml4873 3 months ago
Where does that 90% statistic come from? I strongly doubt it's that high in this day and age. You can't believe every statistic that someone throws out, especially if they don't even cite a source.
It's a fact that 67.5% of all statistics are made up, including this one.
Perlinator67 3 months ago
Wow, I had no idea it was as much as 90%. I would have guessed it would be lower than 20%. But what do I know, I have no children. I'm not as chocked by that video as I am of the fact that 90% has inflicted pain on their children.
Astillion 3 months ago
I was shocked because a judge, who everyone knows are moral and upstanding individuals, turned out to be a violent and oppressive person. Whoever saw that coming?
philliproemer21 3 months ago
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@philliproemer21 wrote: "I was shocked because a judge, who everyone knows are moral and upstanding individuals, turned out to be a violent and oppressive person. Whoever saw that coming?"
What a surprise! Next thing you know, you'll find out that a priest sexually abused young boys. Naw; that would never happen!
Perlinator67 3 months ago
Is it true that most laws are designed for interpretation from the executor of the law? I mean, when one talk about victim and criminal and tell them to explain their view of the same law, how can a law be justice if the two views are separate? Should not the law be written for minimizing the pain in a society for people with different views and multiple executors of the law?
bvssvni 3 months ago
I have stood up. At the breakroom at work my coworker said "When my kid won't go in the shower is hit her so hard!" I explained to her that she has a chance to end the cycle of violence, that she did it because it's the reality she was brought up in. I told her to give the kid positive reinforcement for shower taking instead and that at some point she should hopefully have a conversation with the kid about how what happened wasn't right. You can have this conversation too guys! trust me :)
alistairproductions 3 months ago
The outrage I guess: Its like the closet homosexual attacking the open homosexual.
AlterEgoTrip 3 months ago 8
Half the people that were "outraged" are into S an M, the other half never raised a child , or is that the other way around ?
clownprince88 3 months ago
After hearing stefs take on this situation, I can't help but draw a parallel to the ows movement, the way marines or other military people got all up in arms over the way that person got their head smashed in from a tear gas canister... Many marines felt "bad" and "sorry" for the guy and spoke out over the incident, yet if they looked in the mirror just once, and evaluated their actions, they're no better than the police riot squad busting heads... The hypocrisy stinks
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
Stef?? I'm very disappointed in you. You have a golden tongue. I wish I could speak like you. You know what "false propaganda' is. Distractions, diversions, ect. Way to go! You've just jumped on the "abortion", "gay", and "inequality" propaganda debate ect. WTF are you doing?? You are promoting their own "divisions". (dividing the people) There will be no agreement on this subject...ever. Dont get me wrong, I agree with everything you said. But really, who's side are you on?
Ladnek08 3 months ago
Brilliant take on this Sefbot. You mind seems to be hard-wired to flip cultural bias on its head. Always a pleasure...
trishgoo 3 months ago
I've been beaten way badly when I was half her age, no outrage because of this.
However, I'm outraged by the Judge's stupidity. In my opinion it shouldn't go unpunished. The stupidity of getting caught that is.
Unfortunately he relaxed too soon. He should've stayed focused. Being vigilant all the time is the key, nobody has to know. Ask my father if you don't believe me, he's an expert.
SopraTutt1 3 months ago
@JaceJohnson I'm simply arguing from personal experience.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
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@CloverfieldMonster95 " I'm simply arguing from personal experience."
That isn't much of an "argument". Not at all. There is NO justification for the initiaiton of violence. YOU certainly haven't made one.
YJohannM 3 months ago
@JaceJohanson I mean seriously you worked hard to get a home, and a job, and you allowed your child to enter the world. They are living on your property and are dependent on you. They should respect your authority. Abuse is wrong but making them realize their are consequences in Life (I'm really sick of saying this) is one of the most important lessons a child can learn. True correction shows a parents love for their child. Not beating them like in this particular video. Unjust and pointless.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95
All initiation of force is unjust and immoral. The idea that you cannot correct and influence behavior without violence is without merit. I used to get my ass kicked for lying. Now I have a reputation for being honest. Does that mean getting hit caused me to stop lying? No. I happened to take note of how admired my Grandpa is for his honesty and endeavored to become like him. A behavior stopping after punishment could and often is correlated not causal.
KaelinSaint 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 Allowed your child to enter the world? That is a curious way of putting it. As if the child was standing somewhere knocking on the door. The child did not exist. The child IS the consequence of the actions of the parent. Which is why the parent is responsible, not the child. The child did not have a choice and did not have anything to do with the fact that it's here. The fact that it's on the parents property and so on is a consequence of the parents choices.
Zerafinel 3 months ago
@JaceJohanson I'm not arguing that point. I don't know enought to speculate and comment further on the effects of it. But seriously are you freaking out on me for thinking that incentive for a child to not do wrong is bad just because they get spanked or slapped on the face sometimes. I wasn't an animal not understanding what I did wrong but I realized I was out of line with my parents. I also never knew why I wasn't being hit. Why are being so emotional? Use some reason.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
Does anyone know if stefbot accepts video responses? I made one to this...
paxguerilla 3 months ago
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@paxguerilla I do not believe he does, no.
Panpiper 3 months ago
I thought the outrage was because the child was getting punished over putting a video game on the computer. If she gets beaten like that for such a low priority rule, just think what goes on when she sneaks out to be with friends after being grounded and gets caught. No one needs to beat their children, if they do, they dont have a healthy relationship with them. A healthy relationship defeats the need to forcibly punish. Moreover, there are so many better ways to punish, like taking away wants.
nwopuppet 3 months ago
People are hypocritical as they do not have the wisdom to see there faults!
investornator 3 months ago
Paddling should be brought back for Jr. High and below. It works and does not leave emotional scars,I know.
But we as American have become so thin skinned and such pussies.Spill a cup of McDonald coffee..sue.We are upset by everything.We use words such as politically correct,and use the word racist for just about everything and just sue, sue,sue.Everything has to be "our" way, otherwise we are "offended" by just about everything.Tough times are coming and Americans will not be able to stand it
nld1960 3 months ago
@nld1960
Because they weren't beat enough? If what you say is true then we should make it the accepted form of punishment for everyone and all behaviors. Late for work? Ten lashes. Speeding? Public beating by an officer on the side of the road. We'll have the toughest people in the world. Ever notice that a beat dog doesn't get tougher but instead becomes a fearful coward afraid to act? You would doom our nation to one filled with people who would act just the same.
KaelinSaint 3 months ago
@KaelinSaint I can't say I've ever beat a dog; I can tell you that prison is a far worse hell for a civlized man than any beating would ever be.
Aurini 3 months ago
@KaelinSaint
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
What you are saying is plain foolishness and you know it. You are talking about beating.There is a big difference and you know it. You need to re-read my post.
nld1960 3 months ago
*much* as I could.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
@stefbot well sure there are good children and yes showing them love is important. But I'm just saying that making the child realize that the world is harsh and sometimes unforgiving sometime in their childhood is needed. My father taught me not to expect handouts and I should make my own living and my mom taught me that she isn't always gonna be there. It helped when i had a realization of pain. it made me more grateful, courteous, respectful and led me to want to avoid pain as much as i could.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
When my family moved to the US in 1960, I went to a FL school and they gave the boys who were troublemakers "wackes".They had a long paddle, like a flat cricket bat with holes through the wood.They had you bend over with your pants pulled up as tight as they could.The dean would hit you with all his might.I was a kid who would upset class by doing crazy things.I got 3 of those wackes and could not sit for a bit.It hurt.I learned and was a pussycat after that.I thought it was funny.It worked
nld1960 3 months ago
to them that in the long run it is for their own good, they will forgive you.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 Assuming a child can understand what you are saying, before they touch a hot stove what's wrong with saying 'Hey, don't touch that, it's hot.' and if they don't listen, well score 1 for the parent! That makes the parent look smart and wise and worth listening to in the future. Children don't act disrespectfully without learning it from the parents. You treat it as if these qualities are randomly assigned to children and parents need to deal with if they're so unlucky.
whitechocolatespace 3 months ago
act unkind, disrespectful, dishonest, disrespectful, dishonest, hateful, unreasonably disobedient, and uncaring. Especially in a Voluntary society! This would be even more essential for a child to learn. There would be no government to provide security of them and bail them out for their mistakes and the neighbors would have no legal obligation to help them. So I ask you...Would you please think of the children? The world probably won't forgive them. But I think if you make it clear cont.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
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If a child is reaching for a hot stove, would you simply take them away from it and tell them it would hurt if he/she touched it? Or would you smack them on the hand and let them experienced a lessened form of the pain they might have recieved? there are examples where using force on a child is more rationally advantageous for that childs future. If you truly loved your child you would make it very clear (not necessarily through corporal punishment) that there is pain in life if they cont.
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 I'm sorry, but that is not the case – I have been stay-at-home father for almost 3 years, and I've never found the need to even raise my voice at my highly energetic and curious daughter - let alone hit her - and she has been perfectly safe, and listens beautifully! Children listen better, and are safer, when they are respected rather than threatened.
stefbot 3 months ago 31
@stefbot
Being the father of a single and apparently docile daughter does not entitle you to judge how all children ought to be handled.
In my experience with large families, I find that many children are impervious to reason, supremely self-centered, unrepentantly rebellious, and chronic liars. You shouldn't treat a little monster the way you would treat a little angel. And the kid will be grateful for it when he/she matures.
twk373 3 months ago
@twk373 "Being the father of a single and apparently docile daughter does not entitle you to judge how all children ought to be handled."
So what are your "qualifications", then?
YJohannM 3 months ago
@twk373 layout the lives of the children you speak of. If it's not bullying, being spoiled, parents not maintaining consistency, parents lying (or any others in the household and it holding utility), then ask yourself, where did she learn all of these things? If you can't find an answer to how/where she 'learned' these things, then therein lies why your assumption falls on it's face...point is answer is in the house, and the child isn't the problem, so depressing them wont suppress anything.
TheBookArchive 3 months ago
@twk373 "I find that many children are impervious to reason, supremely self-centered, unrepentantly rebellious, and chronic liars."
I've never met a child that is like that, that is not mirroring it's parents. Please show me a child who's parents are honest, reasonable, patient, kind, compassionate and open to dialogue that is behaving the way you're describing.
Zerafinel 3 months ago
@Zerafinel
I'm referring to young children.
twk373 3 months ago
@twk373 ? so am I.
Zerafinel 3 months ago
@Zerafinel
Then you are clueless. What exactly is your experience with children?
I come from a family of large families. I have had extensive experience in observing different child personalities.
twk373 3 months ago
@twk373 My experience, well, I have been interested in psychology and childhood for many years and I also observe. With large families, it seems like too many people unfortunately decide to have a third and fourth child before first mastering the skill of meeting the needs of the first two, or themselves. Two kids, you can kind of backtrack, work through your own childhood issues and work the problems out. Three kids, it's starting to become much more difficult.....
Zerafinel 3 months ago
@Zerafinel
Observe what? I don't disagree that the progressive crusade against the family has greatly damaged the ability of parents (particularly black/hispanic parents) to raise children.
In any case, it remains that most children are not angelic, and many are downright monstrous. Just like it is foolish to expect explanations of the "concept" of multiplication to substitute for rote learning, it is foolish to expect a child to internalize philosophical ethics. Discipline is necessary.
twk373 3 months ago
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Zerafinel 3 months ago
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@twk373 A child's brain operates on philosophical ethics. They're also programmed to imitate the behavior of their parents. Read about "mirror neurons". I'm really sorry for what you must have been through to call children monstrous.
Zerafinel 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 I understand the need to restraint children from hurting themselves and no non-hitting (spanking) parent would ever allow a greater harm to happen to their child. It is more advantageous to instruct children on dangers than to inflict a lessor physical pain. Most physical aggression I have seen from parent to child is more about the anxiety of the parent lashing out at their child.
billrob458 3 months ago 2
@CloverfieldMonster95 To answer your question, I would/have patiently and repeatedly warned the child of an "Owa", screwing up my face for emphassis. I did this because I truly love and respect the life that is my child's and I want my child's love and respect. Violence does not earn you respect, it earns you fear.
daemonnice 3 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 Tried that... and every time I would pull my son away he would reach for it again and again. It was not until I allowed him to be scold his hand that he understood the true danger. It makes no sense for me to cause my son pain to prevent him from feeling pain. A singed finger will heal in a few days but the emotional trama of slapping/spanking/yelling will last years.
Some lessions must be learned first hand. Warn/explain dangers and let the child trust you, not fear you
deadman12078 3 months ago
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Thanks Stef I missed that URL I check it out
mchappell13 3 months ago
this pales in comparison to abuse of children in cps custody, all of it is unethical an absolutelly immoral and done with impunity. I am surprised he did not rape her as well. Having children quickly brings to the foreground all the incomplete issues in life the parent(s) has, and that is just the tip of the iceberg, the fact that either willful or unconscious these actions make me wonder if ever there was any soul searching or ethical internal dialogue. A tree, a rock , a cloud.
SlingSalsa 3 months ago
The message is fine but what is the context of these stats? I don't have a single acquaintance who hits their children. Stef can you reference the data points. I find them interesting.
mchappell13 3 months ago 2
@mchappell13 sure, check the description below the vid
stefbot 3 months ago 4
Oh, and pain does not equate to harm. 20 reps of 50 pounds is pain. One mile in 7 minutes is pain. A masters sans loans and working odd jobs is pain. Do these do harm?
Anothercoilgun 3 months ago