HoChiMinh won DienBienPhu by helping from Communist China and Soviet, then uncle Ho opened Land Reform in 1955 killing 170,000 people, since 1945 to 1975 Ho killed 750,000 innocent civilians. In TET 1968, uncle Ho also killed 5,000 people at Hue. I admired ARVN, they braved and fought to the end of war. HoChiMinh born to kill people.
Nếu tên Hồ Cẩu Tặc không làm tay sai cho CS Nga-Tàu về tàn sát nhân dân ta ở Việt-Bắc năm 1953-1956, nó không giết hằng trăm ngàn người trong Cải Cách Ruộng Đất để cướp nhà cửa ruộng vườn của dân, thì VNCH cũng đâu cần đến Mỹ nhỉ! và dân VN cũng đâu chết chóc tang thương nhỉ! đít mẹ thằng Hồ và đảng Cộng!
My grandfather(dead) gave me his special forces patch and I think he watches me from that patch... that's why I ware it to airsoft wars right on the right shoulder of my army jacket
If you look back, I think Ho Chi Min is an Idiot. look what happens to Vietnam now ? it is more like American way, capitalist, manufacturing, stock exchange, bar and disco. the next 100 years generation in Vietnam, when they read the History book, they will ask the teacher, why we are fighting with American while we are already like them now ? I wonder what the teacher will answer them.
@moistfaucet they're capitalist but not democratic. It is basically a police state. since they don't have to worry about votes, maybe they'll be smart enough to not bankrupt themselves buying votes like happened with the US model.
@andrelebaron Fantastic post. You summed up EVERYTHING wrong with this country in a single sentence. Excepting fractions of a percent of our representatives, no one in Congress or the White House is ever looking out for 'The People'. They are trying to ensure their re-election.
Started when US stuck their noses in2Vietnamese wish to be independent from the French. Yanks fighting 2b independent from the Brits would have killed anyone that got in their way.So u can't blame the Vietcong for trying to kill yanks. Vietcong woman have their families killed by yanks so they want kill yanks.
US justification of the slaughter. Domino theory = total BS, just like WMD in Iraq. As long politician's sponsors can make a buck from wars they always find phoney excuses to fight them.
Just another ubiqituous sequence of events, nothing is new under the eye of iris, what happened in the 1960's is simply a reflection human nature. It has been repeated an inordinate amount of times throughout history, what else did you expect? Welcome to the animal kingdom...
After French lost DienBienPhu in 1954, HoChiMinh opened Land Reform in 1955, Ho bastard killed 750,000 innocent civilians, because they were rich, vast land, big house and gold. Later uncle HoChiMinh pushed one million young men to fright in the South, during TET 1968 Ho ordered to kill and bury a live 5,000 Hue citizens.
Let's clarify something here- We weren't defeated in Vietnam. We left because political support back home was absolute zero. It was a draw. Less than 60,000 of our boys were lost over there compared to over 1,000,000 NVA and VC. We left. We didn't lose.
@horrorvacui121 But we didn't...... If you talk to vets and actually look at the casualties the US was superior in every category. The US left, never surrendered. Tell me this, if Aliens went into NYC and killed 8 million people then left would you say they "lost"? No.
@19volks71 You did lose morally. You slaughtered a million people. Let me see now that isn't good American values is it?
Mass murder of a bunch of poor people of no threat to you.You lost big time. It also cost u $billions. All this can hardly be described as victory. More like a total tragedy & waste of time that should never have started in the 1st place.Unless u think extremely bad things are somehow good. I mean maybe u like sticking pins in your eyes. Frankly war is just as mad as that.
@pobinr Please show me where in anything I said, that I refered to the Vietnam War as a victory. I didn't. Notice my remark about zero support back home? 60K dead is still 60K sons, fathers and husbands coming home in body bags. I have stated elsewhere numerous times that our involvement was a pointless, ideological war aimed at stopping Big Red.
When I read others saying that the NVA and VC defeated us- they stand to be corrected.
Our politicians are shitheads, our military is unstoppable.
@19volks71 I wouldn't say it was pointless. It just wasn't fought for Vietnamese freedom like people were told. It was a demonstration of commitment to all the countries in southern Asia that they could expect support if they resisted Communism. Harry Truman once said that he'd have gone into Korea even if he knew they were going to lose for just this reason.
HoChiMinh (child name NguyenSinhCung) was the loyal slave fro Communist. Uncle Ho was more cruel than Hitler in World War 2, because only Ho could order to kill more than 5 thousand Hue citizens during TET 1968. Ho was bastard! Fuck Vietnam Communist party.
until now, many vietnamese are proud defeating american, but one thing that i don't understand, why today in vietnam they are more like american ? capitalist, manufacturing and stock exchange ? all of the people die in Vietnam, thanks to Ho Chi Min. He is anti american, and now vietnamese more like american. i am loss.....so many vietnamese die for nothing ? they die because they want to be more like american ?
@moistfaucet ..THAT IS ALWAYS A GOOD QUESTION,ONE DEFEATS THE ENEMY THEN BECOMES LIKE THEM CULTURALLY.I WOULD SAY,NO,THEY DIDN`T DIE IN VAIN,BUT DID NOT WONT THE AMERICAN-OR ANY OTHER CULTURE IMPOSSED UPON THEM-BUT TO CHOOSE THAT CHOICE..ITS THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE,NOT FORCED UPON THEM.AS THEY MADE THAT DECISION TO ADAPT CAPITALIST WAYS,THE STANDARD OF LIVING AS IMPROVED IMEASURABLY FOR MANY,NOT JUST THE FEW,SOCIETIES ALWAYS CHANGE-LOOK AT CHINA,I HOPE THAT IS AN EXPLANATION,PAL?
@andysm1964, if whole Vietnam under american, i think their life is far better now. i don't mind living under american gov. no offence. adapt something that you fight and die and now you try to become your enemy life style ? now my questions is, is it worthy ?
I wish i were there to joint them. GOD damn it, i was born late. i don't mind die there rather than now. if you ask me to die with the Golden frabric and diomand button, i prefer to die with soldier uniform.
I have been reflecting on the value of one human life. To make any sense of emotional pain and trauma I have to put a $ figure on "IT". For example my last partner who professed "I love you" when in fact she was facing bankruptcy and needed someone to bail her out- cost $50,000 in pain. In AUSTRALIA circa 2005 the price to TAKE a life was $25,000 for an unfortunate fatal accident. The value of MY life TODAY is not worth 8 cents-the cost of one internet phone call-therefore Asian life=worthless
@MADMAC572 So domino meant communism spread from being 6000 miles away from you to as close as 5800 miles from you. Not a good reason to murder 2 million in self defence !
Then there's Iraq. $800,000,000,000 of your money spent. Country left devastated. Min 130,000 Iraqis dead, 1.5 times as many US dead as in 911 yet Iraq had F all to do with 911. How's that for insanity. Yet US jingos keep waiving the flag&paying taxes lol
freekin sheep !
Nam & Iraq = two totally futile wars tragedies in fact
I think it is important here for everyone to remmember that without US military intervention, South Korea today would look like North Korea, and Europe would have been occupied by the Soviets. It was American might and the willingness to commit it that made the difference in those places.
@pobinr Well, Iraq was a foolish war (although interestingly the majority of the Iraqi people support it - so despised was Saddam). As for Vietnam, that is much more complicated. I am sure that had the war in Vietnam not been fought, Thailand would have fallen to communist control. Certainly the Thais are convinced of this. Again, that war has to be seen in the context of the era and what was going on globally.
@MADMAC572 Nam was equally foolish & wholly avoidable. Minn appealed to Woodrow Wilson then to Truman quoting US dec of independance, but was ignored. Could have been another S Korea if not ignored.
US started Nam war in same way Hitler started WWII with Poland, by pretending to be attacked in Tonkin. Nice the great bringer of freedom & democracy behave like Nazis. Shame on the young men that died in WWII
@pobinr That is an unfair historical assessment which ignores the record, particularly of Johnsons anguish over confronting the NVA and McNamara's assessment of the probability of success. You are also ignoring motive and context. Stop being a simpleton here.
@pobinr You're not reasonable in your analysis. Democracies do not behave like "Nazis". Never. Can't happen. You might disagree with a policy, but it ain't the same thing as behaving like Nazis where dissent of that foreign policy would get you thrown into a concentration camp. The US did not commit ground combat troops in Vietnam until AFTER the NVA crossed the DMZ. That is an indisputable fact. The Dong chose to raise the stakes - something you are ignoring.
@MADMAC572 Democracy's only good if it brings accountability.How accountable is the School of the Americas or the CIA?
You know it runs out of control.Arms to Contras etc etc.
You just ignore the fact of the tyrants installed or backed or both by the USA.U hav2 ignore everything2have your typical blinkered American jingo world view.Calley got virtually let off.He behaved like a Nazi didn't he?
All in a 'democracy' lol
Those Apache cowboys murdering Reuters journalist got let off. and on and on.
@pobinr There is accountability. Maybe not as fast as you would like, or maybe not getting the conclusions you would like... but YOU are not everyone. Calley should have been more severely punished - guess what, in legal cases we OFTEN get outcomes we don't like. When I lived in Augsburg, GE, this guy brutally stabbed to death a 12 year old girl for "fun". He got five years. There is a lot more to the Apache situation than you understand. It wasn't murder.
@MADMAC572 Americans like ur as intransigent as radical Muslims.Being American is a religion in itself.Ur blinded by patriotism&self righteousness.You've ignored the horror meeted out by the CIA & fully supported by Nixon, Reagun & Bush Snr.You've ignored the blood lust in those Apache pilots voices 'Light em up' etc. Good bye Muslim... uh sorry American I mean. Do you not realise how rest of civilised world See US as bad guys masquerading as good guys.In reality self interest at others expense.
@pobinr I've lived in seven countries, have had two wives from two different countries - I left the US in 1985. I think maybe I have an idea how people from other countries regard the US. You, obviously, are either Australian or European. The arrogance from these two groups remains palpable. In my community Americans are the number one repected foreign group. There are concrete reasons for that. Europeans resent American power and believe it should be theirs. It's jealousy.
@MADMAC572 Except best interests not served because u wind up hated by more&more people.So u get 911.Gitmo etc best possible recruiting films for Imams. You're country in massive debt &defecit yet u squander $800,000,000,000 on a completely pointless war in Iraq.Who pulls strings in US ?
Lobbyists in dark corridors of Pentagon & Washington. Remember in 'democracy' parties are privately funded. Do u seriously believe defence contractors donate $millions without expecting a war in return.Ur Naive
@MADMAC572 Now u really are defending the indefensible. They shot up the guys helping the wounded into van. They couldn't contain the zeal & blood lust in their voices. U don't deal with the facts like the USA has either backed or installed fascist monsters all round the world, just cry 'jealousy'
You're not worth the time of day. It's like trying to debate with a Muslim. You self righteous oaf. Go Google 'CIA friendly dictators' Bye bye
@MADMAC572 This comment is revealing. So you are one of them.
Kissinger - 'Military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy' You've been had mate by your beloved government.Saw McCain a documentary still going on bout fellow prisoner as brothers.Still can't see 40 or 50 years on that carpet bombing & napalm & cluster bombs on Hanoi was mass murder.Still think US heroesl.They spent their time making little US flags.He just as radicalised brainwashed as Muslims.
@pobinr Kissinger does not, nor did not, speak for the entire US government. He was sec state for one administration, and not the one that got us into Vietnam. So don't be a moron. As for had, I made my living doing exactly what I loved doing - soldiering - and was rewarded for that with an excellent retirement package. Almost as good as the British Army actually. Whatever happened, I wasn't had. Was Dresden mass murder?
@pobinr And the US doesn't behave like Nazis. You are ignoring the reality that without US military committment in central europe, western Europe would have fallen under the stalinist boot. You are also ignoring the fact that S. Korea, which is now a free and vibrant society today, could just as easily look like North Korea does, were it not for US intervention.
@MADMAC572 You're ignoring the fact Minn was ignored. You're ignoring the fact that the USA deliberately started the Nam war in the same way the Nazis started WWII.
Like Nazis in denial of their wrong doings, so too are Americans. You're brainwashed. US does behave like Nazis. Ever since WWII USA & CIA has supported fascist tyrants in half of Central & S.America Chile etc etc. Nixon installed a fascist monster in Guitemala. You are in denial Go Google 'CIA friendly dictators'.
@MADMAC572 To be on your planet u just hav2 ignore; Mai Lai, bloodthirsty Apache pilots, CIA backed Fascist tyrants in dozens of countries, CIA backed death squads, The fact Minn was ignored by Truman, Domino =BS. WMD=BS
It seems to be in the nature of some men that they are only able to gain a sense of purpose if united in a common cause of irrational hatred for people that are of no threat to them.
The Nazis hating the Jews.The Americans hating N.Vietnamese etc etc
@pobinr There has never been a war fought in which crimes did not occur on both sides. Never. Not once in history. Fact of life in a combat zone. Since you have never been in combat, you really can't understand it. Sort of like me commenting on brain surgery. I'm not a brain surgeon, I'm not qualified. As for in our nature - human nature is universally the same. Jesus Christ, you haven't figured that out yet?
@MADMAC572 "human nature is universally the same" Speak for yourself. the blood lust nature is present in a minority of the population.1 in 22 people are potential psychopaths. So politicians just get em, add a little brain washing & jingoism, then call them heroes, when really they just turn them into state sponsored psychopaths like you. Then send them off 6000 miles away to slaughter a bunch of poor peasants who just wanted independence from the French.Make the most of your pre hell pension.
@pobinr Must be a new development, since there was never warfare before the evil Americans showed up. And yes, I'm living the dream. Thailand is pretty cheap, wife and I have a decent home, kid is doing well at university, and I am enjoying teaching - you know, to raise a new crop of politically twisted sociopaths. Here's something that will probably really irritate you - some of my former Haber Gedir enemies in Mogadischu have since become my friends.
@MADMAC572 The CIA backed the French at Dien Bien Phu.Y Vietnamese not entitled 2independence? How ufeel if people came from 6k miles2 interfere in your war of independence? U'd want2 kill em.No wonder Vietcong wanted to killu ba5tards.Eisenhour wouldn't permit elections at one point because he knew Ho would be elected.US idea of democracy= let em have it so long as you get the answer you want.You're a joke.U've not dealt with Nixon&CIA & Guatemala etc etc.U can't. U a state sponsored murderer.
@moistfaucet Next time we need your country's resources be prepared because were taking them in a massive campaign for profit called the military industrial complex. :)
@MADMAC572 But N Nam isnt like N Korea. It certainly didn't look any better for you carpet bombing, napalming cluster bombing & generally slaughtering 2 or 3 million as a means to entice them towards the great freedoms on offer from the west. Heck the USAF & army makes Kim IlSung look like Santa Claus.
I love the way Eisenhower wouldn't let the N Vietnamese have elections cos he thought they'd vote in Ho Chi Minn
Give them democracy provided you get the answer you want. lol
@pobinr The people of world .I'm sure would love to hear the similar views of millions of savvy Americans . Unfortunately its not often enough ! Whilst control of the information is controlled by the likes of MURDOCK i.e
How we got into this conflict was complex - but at the end of the day it's important to remmember that the US isn't what's wrong with the world and were it not for the US, communism would have taken over western Europe, and subsequently the rest of the world. People forget the context.
@MADMAC572 that's right, communsim was contained, then reversed, but it did come at a terrible cost of over 58,000 brave troops in Vietnam as well as other troops which fought against it (Australia, New Zealand, etc)
@TheSimba900 You think so. I have a friend who is Vietnamese, she lives in Hanoi. She says the Vietnamese people lost because they ended up with a terrible government and no personal freedoms.
I feel horrible for these American soldiers. I have 3 friends that did combat in Vietnam. 2 of them still need psychiatric care. The 3rd one is dying of lung Cancer from massive exposure to agent orange. My one friend Bob, did 2.5 tours of combat over there and he had 57 confirmed kills. One of his buddies stepped on a land mine and the shrapnel went right through Bob's arm and into the guy next to him (his friend) who ended up dying. Bob showed me his arm and it is covered, 100% in scars.
@Lapp6192 my grandpa was in the Vietnam war he didn't talk much about killing people cuz hes a christian anyway the same thing happened to him but the master Sargent was walking next to him having a conversation when he was attacked by charlie one had an RPG and shot the master Sargent and the srapnel blew of his legs and killed him and that snapnel whent and hit my grandpa in the throat a milimeter away from hitting his jug vein but
@monkeyfunn41 god killed the other guy but not your father? You know how wrong you sound? I suggest you sit down and think about it, because you and your family are not the center of the world. You know what saved your grand father? Not being in the way of most of that shrapnel. There is no god, what's your reply to this? I hope this made you think.
Just remember, Ho Chi Minh initially went to Truman and presented the a part of the U.S. Constitution to him in order to free his country. Truman supported the French colonization of Vietnam, so Ho Chi Minh had to go elsewhere (ie. Communist China and Russia).
@sgnl42 This is not true. Initially Truman supported the Viet Minh and did not support a return of the French. It was only AFTER Ho Chi Minh remained as part of the global communist camp and rejected alignment with the US in favor of alignment with the Soviets that the US supported the French.
"As soon as they began to use violence in self-defense, the whole Saigon government apparatus fell apart at once because it was an apparatus based on nothing but a monopoly of violence. And once it lost that monopoly of violence it was finished. And that's what led the United States to move in. There were no North Vietnamese around." [The whole interview can be found under "The Legacy of the Vietnam War."]
@54683NS This has little, if anything to do with which side was worse - you seem quite hellbented on suggesting the US was engaged in a genocidal campaign similar to that of the Holocaust, which is outright idiocy. Furthermore, you're talking about the 50s, not the very war period of 1965 to 1973 - and it's as if Vietnam is an exception - S.Korea was run by a dictator who was almost as bad but even then, democracy eventually kicked in by the late 80s~early 90s.
@SuperBomber01 What I posted was two paragraphs (posted in 4 parts) of a very clear explanation of the development of the U.S.-Vietnam War. It has everything to do with the U.S. responsibility for the war, which is what should concern us as American citizens. The U.S. aggression against Vietnam, which began in the 1950s, left millions dead. It is in no way "outright idiocy" to suggest that we take responsibility for the crimes against humanity that our government has committed.
@54683NS It has little to nothing to do with the military aspect of the war and what you're suggesting is merely the political and dark circles of it - regardless, to say the US was 'aggressive' against 'Vietnam' (note, Vietnam was divided into two countries at that period) is fallacy and BS by leftists or people with lacking knowledge in military history. It's already proven that that the North Vietnamese were almost as nasty and perhaps beyond - only that their actions are seldom mentioned.
@SuperBomber01 So what you want to do is ignore the U.S. role in destabilizing Vietnam through terror and intervention in domestic Vietnamese politics in the 1950s in order to try to justify the continued invasion of destruction of Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s. Once again, you avoid the main point: If the U.S. was supposed to be defending South Vietnam against North Vietnamese aggression, why was the U.S. attacking SOUTH VIETNAM?
@54683NS Furthermore, the North had the option of not getting itself involved with the VC, which it did the exact opposite and simply made things worse and can be described as aggressive behavior as well - never mind the fact political repression was already occurring in their own country. It was no different to how Mao and Stalin treated their own political enemies or suspects.
@SuperBomber01 Notice what you're saying. You're saying that North Vietnam had the option of not getting involved in the politics of their own country! ..as if you or your government were God!! And at the same time you imply that it was just fine for the U.S., A FOREIGN COUNTRY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, to get involved in the domestic politics of Vietnam. You have no principled opposition to Mao or Stalin, because you support the undemocratic puppet dictators of S. Vietnam.
@54683NS And no, aggression of the US wasn't the main reason why many S.Viets were begging for evacuation - they had plenty of time prior to 1975 to leave the country through other means other than US assistance. If anything, the North also broke the treaty signed in 1973 and illegally invaded the South - that is unjustified, regardless of how poor the South's government or how nationalistic the North felt, not to mention sending hundreds of thousands to gulag-like camps.
Why so much hostility? I am from The United States of America. My dad was in the army during Desert Storm, My grandpa was in Vietnam. War is not something soldiers want, Its politicians. I agree, as well as other Americans, that alot of the wars we get involved with, we shouldn't get involved with. But you shouldn't disrespect the soldiers that are involved. There job is to fight when there country tells them too, No questions. So just show some respect, And R.I.P To both sides who suffered.
i enjoy watching videos of destruction and slaughter i wish i couldve fought in vietnam i would have perhaps died but i would at least relish in the oppurtunity or committing violence. violence is a primal urge of all living things how can it be bad to partcipate in it. and if it is bad what or it?
Many soldiers were shot by people from their own company or other of their own thats a sad part of it. The biggest mistake of it was the age problem, most of the soldiers were too young most of them only between 19-23. The Americans lost around 58.000 soldiers. The loss on the American side is small in comparison with the Vietnamese (2-5,7 millions incl civilians) Im sure the loss would have been much smaller if they had been older and experienced, but from where should they get those soldiers?
@globe255 I'll note that at least the commanders in charge of all US troops in Vietnam were actually quite competent and experienced - Westmoreland and Abrams served in that position and had seen combat in WW2 as field commanders themselves. It was the political morons that didn't know a damn clue how to win a war. Conscription at the time was also the norm for manpower at the time - the US was no exception.
@globe255 Which also goes to say, roughly 75% or so of the US troops actually volunteered for military service, despite the conscription. But to sustain 58,000 deaths in a conflict spanning between the 1965 to1973, that is actually fairly low in a military strategy view - hell, the total number of US deaths in WW2 were 7~8 times larger than Vietnam.
Ein Krieg gegen Zivilisten. Noch feiger kann man nicht sein..Der erste Rock`nRoll- Krieg.Was für eine Schande! Die Bilder die ich als Kind sehen mußte gehen mir bis heute nicht mehr aus dem Kopf. Pro-Kommunistische Propaganda in der Schule, Magazine, ARD-Weltspiegel, Jesus, you have better leave me unborn.
@bergathron Es war kein Krieg gegen zivilisten. Wir haetten kein 58,000 soldaten verloren wenn es ein krieg gegen zivilisten waere. Es war ein Krieg gegen Der NVA, der Dong und der Viet Cong.
why are all you fuckin pussies talkin shit about the US troops going into Vietnam, blame the polititians who want the war to happen. FYI Troops didnt want to be there it was their duty
@IsaAshworth - South Vietnam pleaded with its ally, the U.S., for help in preventing North Vietnam from invading them and taking them over. There was nothing wrong with the U.S. coming to the aid of an ally. Indeed it *would* have been wrong if the U.S. *didn't* come to the aid of South Vietnam. Stop overdosing on your hatred pills.
@Echeque5 When you say South Vietnam pleaded with the U.S. to help, you're not referring the population of Vietnam, you're referring instead to the U.S.-supported puppet dictator.
@54683NS - Is that why after the U.S. pulled out and turned its back on an ally and Noth Vietnam took over South Vietnam, that hundreds of thousands, (if not millions), of South Vietnamese were *executed* by North Vietnam?!!!!
@Echeque5 The United States invaded and destroyed South Vietnam for more than a decade and you're trying to retroactively justify this crime against humanity by saying that the North Vietnamese RESPONSE to U.S. aggression was its cause. Also, please provide some evidence that "hundreds of thousands (if not millions), of South Vietnamese were *executed* by North Vietnam"!
@54683NS It may not be hundreds of thousands or millions, but tens of thousands of South Vietnamese were in fact executed by the North - never mind the number that were sent to 'reeducation' camps. By the way, if the US 'invaded' South Vietnam, then do please enlighten me why it was the South Vietnamese government that pretty much wanted US assistance. If anything, it was the North with support of the VC that invaded South Vietnam.
@SuperBomber01 Many more South Vietnamese were slaughtered by the U.S. than by the North Vietnamese. The South Vietnamese government wanted U.S. assitance because it was an undemocratic puppet dictatorship that did not have support among the people of Vietnam.
@54683NS Got any statistics proof to show more S.Viets were killed by the US than the North? By the way, if you thought the S.Vietnamese government was bad, the N.Vietnamese turned out to be just as bad - in fact, both governments were execessively anti-communist and anti-capitalist, respectively, corrupt and were filled with nutty fruitcakes that were blindly nationalistic. I suggest you google "Myths of Vietnam War" - because one of the myths is that US atrocities were widespread.
@SuperBomber01 Noam Chomsky has done extensive research on the topic. Here is his assessment: "First of all, let's make absolutely certain that was the fact: that the U.S. directed the war against South Vietnam. There was a political settlement in 1954. But in the late '50's the United States organized an internal repression in South Vietnam, not using its troops, but using the local apparatus it was constructing. ..." [continued in next post]
@54683NS "...This was a very significant and very effective campaign of violence and terrorism against the Vietminh -- which was the communist-led nationalist force that fought the French. And the Vietminh at that time was adhering to the Geneva Accords, hoping that the political settlement would work out in South Vietnam. And so, not only were they not conducting any terrorism, but in fact, they were not even responding to the violence against them..." [continued in next post]
@54683NS "It reached the point where by 1959 the Vietminh leadership -- the communist party leadership -- was being decimated. Cadres were being murdered extensively. Finally in May of 1959 there was an authorization to use violence in self-defense, after years of murder, with thousands of people killed in this campaign organized by the United States." [one more post coming to complete the 2 paragraphs]
@54683NS If anything VC and NVA atrocities were just as widespread and were even considered a norm as a some sort of systematic tactic to gain support. There's a reason why a lot of Vietnamese people were practically begging the US helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft in Saigon (1975) to evacuate them - in which tens of thousands were successfully evacuated.
@SuperBomber01 The reason why Vietnamese people were begginig to get out of the country in 1975 is because after more than a decade of aggression the United States had left the country destroyed, in chaos and millions dead, which didn't create a lot of love for the U.S. or its collaborators by the time the whole operation of slaughter and destruction was coming to an end.
China's military sucks ass. Quality over quantity. Chinese weapons are shit. We have the most expirience in combat. We control sea and the sky. Not to mention our flag on the moon! God bless our allies. And god bless America!!! USA USA USA!
what experience you have bloody idiot, killing innocent ppl?? butchering?that is why idiots you suffering haa haa haa,now you dont have nothing ,empty have to beg to china , hee hee hee . your are number one for tutututututututu .haa haa haa
you never won any place ,look back, you loss vietnam, you loss iraq, now you are losing afganistan, haahaa, you idiots killing innocent ppl, you willl loose every where. your bank now empty. haa haa haa. china is now coming to number one .accept the fact. you always have imagination like your film, come down and see the fact china is now number one , you cannot do anything with china never ever. dream like a buffoon
@aseepca - Stop taking your hatred pills. You're overdosing. South Vietnam was brought to a political conclusion. The U.S. military never lost a battle in Vietnam. Iraq was a complete win for the U.S. military, as is Afghanistan. China number one? roflmao! Look kid, do back to watching your cartoon channel.
I love this country even with the our fuck ups. If anyone that lives here hates it that bad they are more than welcome to get the fuck out. We are still the greatest nation to rise on this earth. Sure we may owe China a shit load of money...But we are so bad ass we might just tell China, "what money?"
In my point of view a man that does not support his countrymen in time of war we should at a minimum, take their citizenship and send them to the enemy country, take every asset they own and give it to the poor and just for good measure cut their balls off so they can't contaminate the rest of the world with their unfaithfulness to the nation.
@rustyschackleford100 hey man as much as I want to believe what ur saying, they only thing that is registering in my thick head is that u are a scared little bitch. That shit u talk about is just ur excuse for the fact that u wouldn't amount to anything in the Army. Pussy, have a nice day asshole.
for my uncle inlaw bob who married my mums sister and could never talk about it i salute u all who served over there and thank you all from the united kingdom i hope u all ex vets had a good veterans day we hav poppy day here thank you again and my pal wolfie who served over there respect as always ex irish guardsman here
It's time for pay back. The U.S.A. needs to retake Viet Nam. It's time.
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@cybermarsactual what? your a fucking moron
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HoChiMinh won DienBienPhu by helping from Communist China and Soviet, then uncle Ho opened Land Reform in 1955 killing 170,000 people, since 1945 to 1975 Ho killed 750,000 innocent civilians. In TET 1968, uncle Ho also killed 5,000 people at Hue. I admired ARVN, they braved and fought to the end of war. HoChiMinh born to kill people.
thoyedao 1 week ago
im glad the US pulled out too many of our boys were dying just for a few worthless commies who thought they owned the world
MrMeineNamen 1 week ago
@MrMeineNamen its the most hated war in the u.s history
autobotfan99 1 week ago
@autobotfan99 ok... i know lol
MrMeineNamen 1 week ago
@circarmuffin well my friend i'm not like you i forget and forgive the past
ozzhead2066 1 week ago
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Nếu tên Hồ Cẩu Tặc không làm tay sai cho CS Nga-Tàu về tàn sát nhân dân ta ở Việt-Bắc năm 1953-1956, nó không giết hằng trăm ngàn người trong Cải Cách Ruộng Đất để cướp nhà cửa ruộng vườn của dân, thì VNCH cũng đâu cần đến Mỹ nhỉ! và dân VN cũng đâu chết chóc tang thương nhỉ! đít mẹ thằng Hồ và đảng Cộng!
hatrieuluong 1 week ago
Peace to south vietnam and north vietnam
ozzhead2066 1 week ago 4
@ozzhead2066 fuck those gooks
circamuffin 1 week ago
My grandfather(dead) gave me his special forces patch and I think he watches me from that patch... that's why I ware it to airsoft wars right on the right shoulder of my army jacket
Anonymous11113 1 week ago
@Anonymous11113 Do you do Vietnam matches?
AlexFrost9 1 week ago
So, Satan killed the other guy, but spared the guy "God" was meant to have saved... Gotta love devil worshippers.
ZoidyatLarge 2 weeks ago
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ZoidyatLarge 2 weeks ago
If you look back, I think Ho Chi Min is an Idiot. look what happens to Vietnam now ? it is more like American way, capitalist, manufacturing, stock exchange, bar and disco. the next 100 years generation in Vietnam, when they read the History book, they will ask the teacher, why we are fighting with American while we are already like them now ? I wonder what the teacher will answer them.
moistfaucet 2 weeks ago
@moistfaucet they're capitalist but not democratic. It is basically a police state. since they don't have to worry about votes, maybe they'll be smart enough to not bankrupt themselves buying votes like happened with the US model.
andrelebaron 2 weeks ago
@andrelebaron, they may not bankrupt also they may not grow. it is a platonic economy. they will be like this for the rest of their life.
moistfaucet 2 weeks ago
@andrelebaron Fantastic post. You summed up EVERYTHING wrong with this country in a single sentence. Excepting fractions of a percent of our representatives, no one in Congress or the White House is ever looking out for 'The People'. They are trying to ensure their re-election.
19volks71 1 week ago
History is written by the victorious... Or filmed on 8.8mm for propaganda purposes.
ZoidyatLarge 2 weeks ago
US Army -The greatest Warkrimminal of all the time ! CHE!
MegaLeica 2 weeks ago
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Started when US stuck their noses in2Vietnamese wish to be independent from the French. Yanks fighting 2b independent from the Brits would have killed anyone that got in their way.So u can't blame the Vietcong for trying to kill yanks. Vietcong woman have their families killed by yanks so they want kill yanks.
US justification of the slaughter. Domino theory = total BS, just like WMD in Iraq. As long politician's sponsors can make a buck from wars they always find phoney excuses to fight them.
pobinr 2 weeks ago
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Just another ubiqituous sequence of events, nothing is new under the eye of iris, what happened in the 1960's is simply a reflection human nature. It has been repeated an inordinate amount of times throughout history, what else did you expect? Welcome to the animal kingdom...
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After French lost DienBienPhu in 1954, HoChiMinh opened Land Reform in 1955, Ho bastard killed 750,000 innocent civilians, because they were rich, vast land, big house and gold. Later uncle HoChiMinh pushed one million young men to fright in the South, during TET 1968 Ho ordered to kill and bury a live 5,000 Hue citizens.
thoyedao 2 weeks ago
Estupidas guerras.
deelocoss 3 weeks ago
Let's clarify something here- We weren't defeated in Vietnam. We left because political support back home was absolute zero. It was a draw. Less than 60,000 of our boys were lost over there compared to over 1,000,000 NVA and VC. We left. We didn't lose.
19volks71 3 weeks ago
@19volks71 typical american Chauvinism
we didn't loose in nam
hahahahahahahahahah
horrorvacui121 3 weeks ago
@horrorvacui121 But we didn't...... If you talk to vets and actually look at the casualties the US was superior in every category. The US left, never surrendered. Tell me this, if Aliens went into NYC and killed 8 million people then left would you say they "lost"? No.
WhatssSoFunny 3 weeks ago
@horrorvacui121 You have no rebuttal, no facts, just useless crap. Typical YT idiot.
19volks71 3 weeks ago
@19volks71 You did lose morally. You slaughtered a million people. Let me see now that isn't good American values is it?
Mass murder of a bunch of poor people of no threat to you.You lost big time. It also cost u $billions. All this can hardly be described as victory. More like a total tragedy & waste of time that should never have started in the 1st place.Unless u think extremely bad things are somehow good. I mean maybe u like sticking pins in your eyes. Frankly war is just as mad as that.
pobinr 2 weeks ago
@pobinr Please show me where in anything I said, that I refered to the Vietnam War as a victory. I didn't. Notice my remark about zero support back home? 60K dead is still 60K sons, fathers and husbands coming home in body bags. I have stated elsewhere numerous times that our involvement was a pointless, ideological war aimed at stopping Big Red.
When I read others saying that the NVA and VC defeated us- they stand to be corrected.
Our politicians are shitheads, our military is unstoppable.
19volks71 2 weeks ago
@19volks71 I agree with you
pobinr 2 weeks ago
@19volks71 I wouldn't say it was pointless. It just wasn't fought for Vietnamese freedom like people were told. It was a demonstration of commitment to all the countries in southern Asia that they could expect support if they resisted Communism. Harry Truman once said that he'd have gone into Korea even if he knew they were going to lose for just this reason.
andrelebaron 2 weeks ago
where was this they are not all U.S. a lot of scenes are ARVN
18tangles 3 weeks ago
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HoChiMinh (child name NguyenSinhCung) was the loyal slave fro Communist. Uncle Ho was more cruel than Hitler in World War 2, because only Ho could order to kill more than 5 thousand Hue citizens during TET 1968. Ho was bastard! Fuck Vietnam Communist party.
thoyedao 3 weeks ago
until now, many vietnamese are proud defeating american, but one thing that i don't understand, why today in vietnam they are more like american ? capitalist, manufacturing and stock exchange ? all of the people die in Vietnam, thanks to Ho Chi Min. He is anti american, and now vietnamese more like american. i am loss.....so many vietnamese die for nothing ? they die because they want to be more like american ?
moistfaucet 4 weeks ago
@moistfaucet ..THAT IS ALWAYS A GOOD QUESTION,ONE DEFEATS THE ENEMY THEN BECOMES LIKE THEM CULTURALLY.I WOULD SAY,NO,THEY DIDN`T DIE IN VAIN,BUT DID NOT WONT THE AMERICAN-OR ANY OTHER CULTURE IMPOSSED UPON THEM-BUT TO CHOOSE THAT CHOICE..ITS THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE,NOT FORCED UPON THEM.AS THEY MADE THAT DECISION TO ADAPT CAPITALIST WAYS,THE STANDARD OF LIVING AS IMPROVED IMEASURABLY FOR MANY,NOT JUST THE FEW,SOCIETIES ALWAYS CHANGE-LOOK AT CHINA,I HOPE THAT IS AN EXPLANATION,PAL?
andysm1964 3 weeks ago
@andysm1964, if whole Vietnam under american, i think their life is far better now. i don't mind living under american gov. no offence. adapt something that you fight and die and now you try to become your enemy life style ? now my questions is, is it worthy ?
moistfaucet 3 weeks ago
I wish i were there to joint them. GOD damn it, i was born late. i don't mind die there rather than now. if you ask me to die with the Golden frabric and diomand button, i prefer to die with soldier uniform.
moistfaucet 4 weeks ago
@moistfaucet dont worry dude WWIII is coming!!! Prepare to die for some white house assholes who makes you believe that you are dying for the flag!!!
lam3riS 3 weeks ago
@lam3riS ww3 wont come just a load of pointless little wars like afghan shithole and iraq but nothing major to hype up about
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pobinr 1 month ago
I have been reflecting on the value of one human life. To make any sense of emotional pain and trauma I have to put a $ figure on "IT". For example my last partner who professed "I love you" when in fact she was facing bankruptcy and needed someone to bail her out- cost $50,000 in pain. In AUSTRALIA circa 2005 the price to TAKE a life was $25,000 for an unfortunate fatal accident. The value of MY life TODAY is not worth 8 cents-the cost of one internet phone call-therefore Asian life=worthless
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@MADMAC572 So domino meant communism spread from being 6000 miles away from you to as close as 5800 miles from you. Not a good reason to murder 2 million in self defence !
Then there's Iraq. $800,000,000,000 of your money spent. Country left devastated. Min 130,000 Iraqis dead, 1.5 times as many US dead as in 911 yet Iraq had F all to do with 911. How's that for insanity. Yet US jingos keep waiving the flag&paying taxes lol
freekin sheep !
Nam & Iraq = two totally futile wars tragedies in fact
pobinr 1 month ago
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I think it is important here for everyone to remmember that without US military intervention, South Korea today would look like North Korea, and Europe would have been occupied by the Soviets. It was American might and the willingness to commit it that made the difference in those places.
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pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr Well, Iraq was a foolish war (although interestingly the majority of the Iraqi people support it - so despised was Saddam). As for Vietnam, that is much more complicated. I am sure that had the war in Vietnam not been fought, Thailand would have fallen to communist control. Certainly the Thais are convinced of this. Again, that war has to be seen in the context of the era and what was going on globally.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Nam was equally foolish & wholly avoidable. Minn appealed to Woodrow Wilson then to Truman quoting US dec of independance, but was ignored. Could have been another S Korea if not ignored.
US started Nam war in same way Hitler started WWII with Poland, by pretending to be attacked in Tonkin. Nice the great bringer of freedom & democracy behave like Nazis. Shame on the young men that died in WWII
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr That is an unfair historical assessment which ignores the record, particularly of Johnsons anguish over confronting the NVA and McNamara's assessment of the probability of success. You are also ignoring motive and context. Stop being a simpleton here.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
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pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr You're not reasonable in your analysis. Democracies do not behave like "Nazis". Never. Can't happen. You might disagree with a policy, but it ain't the same thing as behaving like Nazis where dissent of that foreign policy would get you thrown into a concentration camp. The US did not commit ground combat troops in Vietnam until AFTER the NVA crossed the DMZ. That is an indisputable fact. The Dong chose to raise the stakes - something you are ignoring.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Democracy's only good if it brings accountability.How accountable is the School of the Americas or the CIA?
You know it runs out of control.Arms to Contras etc etc.
You just ignore the fact of the tyrants installed or backed or both by the USA.U hav2 ignore everything2have your typical blinkered American jingo world view.Calley got virtually let off.He behaved like a Nazi didn't he?
All in a 'democracy' lol
Those Apache cowboys murdering Reuters journalist got let off. and on and on.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr There is accountability. Maybe not as fast as you would like, or maybe not getting the conclusions you would like... but YOU are not everyone. Calley should have been more severely punished - guess what, in legal cases we OFTEN get outcomes we don't like. When I lived in Augsburg, GE, this guy brutally stabbed to death a 12 year old girl for "fun". He got five years. There is a lot more to the Apache situation than you understand. It wasn't murder.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Americans like ur as intransigent as radical Muslims.Being American is a religion in itself.Ur blinded by patriotism&self righteousness.You've ignored the horror meeted out by the CIA & fully supported by Nixon, Reagun & Bush Snr.You've ignored the blood lust in those Apache pilots voices 'Light em up' etc. Good bye Muslim... uh sorry American I mean. Do you not realise how rest of civilised world See US as bad guys masquerading as good guys.In reality self interest at others expense.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr I've lived in seven countries, have had two wives from two different countries - I left the US in 1985. I think maybe I have an idea how people from other countries regard the US. You, obviously, are either Australian or European. The arrogance from these two groups remains palpable. In my community Americans are the number one repected foreign group. There are concrete reasons for that. Europeans resent American power and believe it should be theirs. It's jealousy.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 No wonder you're 1st wife dumped you
pobinr 1 month ago
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pobinr 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Except best interests not served because u wind up hated by more&more people.So u get 911.Gitmo etc best possible recruiting films for Imams. You're country in massive debt &defecit yet u squander $800,000,000,000 on a completely pointless war in Iraq.Who pulls strings in US ?
Lobbyists in dark corridors of Pentagon & Washington. Remember in 'democracy' parties are privately funded. Do u seriously believe defence contractors donate $millions without expecting a war in return.Ur Naive
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr And you obviously have no experience in fighting in combat, or you would not be so judgemental concerning the Apache pilots.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
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@MADMAC572 Now u really are defending the indefensible. They shot up the guys helping the wounded into van. They couldn't contain the zeal & blood lust in their voices. U don't deal with the facts like the USA has either backed or installed fascist monsters all round the world, just cry 'jealousy'
You're not worth the time of day. It's like trying to debate with a Muslim. You self righteous oaf. Go Google 'CIA friendly dictators' Bye bye
pobinr 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 This comment is revealing. So you are one of them.
Kissinger - 'Military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy' You've been had mate by your beloved government.Saw McCain a documentary still going on bout fellow prisoner as brothers.Still can't see 40 or 50 years on that carpet bombing & napalm & cluster bombs on Hanoi was mass murder.Still think US heroesl.They spent their time making little US flags.He just as radicalised brainwashed as Muslims.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr Kissinger does not, nor did not, speak for the entire US government. He was sec state for one administration, and not the one that got us into Vietnam. So don't be a moron. As for had, I made my living doing exactly what I loved doing - soldiering - and was rewarded for that with an excellent retirement package. Almost as good as the British Army actually. Whatever happened, I wasn't had. Was Dresden mass murder?
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@pobinr And the US doesn't behave like Nazis. You are ignoring the reality that without US military committment in central europe, western Europe would have fallen under the stalinist boot. You are also ignoring the fact that S. Korea, which is now a free and vibrant society today, could just as easily look like North Korea does, were it not for US intervention.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
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@MADMAC572 You're ignoring the fact Minn was ignored. You're ignoring the fact that the USA deliberately started the Nam war in the same way the Nazis started WWII.
Like Nazis in denial of their wrong doings, so too are Americans. You're brainwashed. US does behave like Nazis. Ever since WWII USA & CIA has supported fascist tyrants in half of Central & S.America Chile etc etc. Nixon installed a fascist monster in Guitemala. You are in denial Go Google 'CIA friendly dictators'.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr Man, you're just on planet Pobin - you see things as you want to see them. No sense of perspective, just snippets that fit your reality.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 To be on your planet u just hav2 ignore; Mai Lai, bloodthirsty Apache pilots, CIA backed Fascist tyrants in dozens of countries, CIA backed death squads, The fact Minn was ignored by Truman, Domino =BS. WMD=BS
It seems to be in the nature of some men that they are only able to gain a sense of purpose if united in a common cause of irrational hatred for people that are of no threat to them.
The Nazis hating the Jews.The Americans hating N.Vietnamese etc etc
It is in your nature too.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr There has never been a war fought in which crimes did not occur on both sides. Never. Not once in history. Fact of life in a combat zone. Since you have never been in combat, you really can't understand it. Sort of like me commenting on brain surgery. I'm not a brain surgeon, I'm not qualified. As for in our nature - human nature is universally the same. Jesus Christ, you haven't figured that out yet?
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 "human nature is universally the same" Speak for yourself. the blood lust nature is present in a minority of the population.1 in 22 people are potential psychopaths. So politicians just get em, add a little brain washing & jingoism, then call them heroes, when really they just turn them into state sponsored psychopaths like you. Then send them off 6000 miles away to slaughter a bunch of poor peasants who just wanted independence from the French.Make the most of your pre hell pension.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr Must be a new development, since there was never warfare before the evil Americans showed up. And yes, I'm living the dream. Thailand is pretty cheap, wife and I have a decent home, kid is doing well at university, and I am enjoying teaching - you know, to raise a new crop of politically twisted sociopaths. Here's something that will probably really irritate you - some of my former Haber Gedir enemies in Mogadischu have since become my friends.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
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@MADMAC572 The CIA backed the French at Dien Bien Phu.Y Vietnamese not entitled 2independence? How ufeel if people came from 6k miles2 interfere in your war of independence? U'd want2 kill em.No wonder Vietcong wanted to killu ba5tards.Eisenhour wouldn't permit elections at one point because he knew Ho would be elected.US idea of democracy= let em have it so long as you get the answer you want.You're a joke.U've not dealt with Nixon&CIA & Guatemala etc etc.U can't. U a state sponsored murderer.
pobinr 1 month ago
@MADMAC572, american maybe evil, but one day when your land is in the trouble,. let see who soldiers to step in and who is last to step out.
moistfaucet 4 weeks ago 4
@moistfaucet Next time we need your country's resources be prepared because were taking them in a massive campaign for profit called the military industrial complex. :)
1993Ney 5 days ago
@1993Ney hahahaha.....
moistfaucet 4 days ago
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@MADMAC572 But N Nam isnt like N Korea. It certainly didn't look any better for you carpet bombing, napalming cluster bombing & generally slaughtering 2 or 3 million as a means to entice them towards the great freedoms on offer from the west. Heck the USAF & army makes Kim IlSung look like Santa Claus.
I love the way Eisenhower wouldn't let the N Vietnamese have elections cos he thought they'd vote in Ho Chi Minn
Give them democracy provided you get the answer you want. lol
Learn some history
pobinr 1 month ago
craziest war by far...talked to a guy in lubys that was in the vietnam war...(im 20 by the way) and my heart goes out to everyone who was in this war
dyeballa04 1 month ago
@pobinr The people of world .I'm sure would love to hear the similar views of millions of savvy Americans . Unfortunately its not often enough ! Whilst control of the information is controlled by the likes of MURDOCK i.e
TheMOONBEAM40 1 month ago
killem all
curtis27753 1 month ago
fucking chaos..good times
slicknipper 1 month ago
Mai Lai massacre = usa shame.I thought murderers were executed ? Can't execute a retard like Calley ?
SINKNINE 1 month ago 8
some people need to say screw war its useless
Sylvestrsmallbone 1 month ago
How we got into this conflict was complex - but at the end of the day it's important to remmember that the US isn't what's wrong with the world and were it not for the US, communism would have taken over western Europe, and subsequently the rest of the world. People forget the context.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 that's right, communsim was contained, then reversed, but it did come at a terrible cost of over 58,000 brave troops in Vietnam as well as other troops which fought against it (Australia, New Zealand, etc)
2000lightspeed 1 month ago
is this for the xbox360? nice gameplay
flotech66 1 month ago
@flotech66 shut up
ezekiel207 1 month ago
this war was all for nothing at the end but vietnam sort of won people say
TheSimba900 1 month ago
@TheSimba900 You think so. I have a friend who is Vietnamese, she lives in Hanoi. She says the Vietnamese people lost because they ended up with a terrible government and no personal freedoms.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 ,being raped and killed by Americans better than that?? Liar!!!!!
bandutube 1 month ago
@bandutube I can only tell you what she said. So you can say she is lying, but she is Vietnamese and she has lived her entire life in Hanoi.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
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DID ONCLE SAM WIN THAT WAR ?
HAHAHA
PrinceSamanti 1 month ago
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PrinceSamanti 1 month ago
I feel horrible for these American soldiers. I have 3 friends that did combat in Vietnam. 2 of them still need psychiatric care. The 3rd one is dying of lung Cancer from massive exposure to agent orange. My one friend Bob, did 2.5 tours of combat over there and he had 57 confirmed kills. One of his buddies stepped on a land mine and the shrapnel went right through Bob's arm and into the guy next to him (his friend) who ended up dying. Bob showed me his arm and it is covered, 100% in scars.
Lapp6192 1 month ago 20
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@Lapp6192 Dang! :/
DmitriRussian 1 month ago
@Lapp6192 my grandpa was in the Vietnam war he didn't talk much about killing people cuz hes a christian anyway the same thing happened to him but the master Sargent was walking next to him having a conversation when he was attacked by charlie one had an RPG and shot the master Sargent and the srapnel blew of his legs and killed him and that snapnel whent and hit my grandpa in the throat a milimeter away from hitting his jug vein but
monkeyfunn41 1 month ago
@monkeyfunn41 god killed the other guy but not your father? You know how wrong you sound? I suggest you sit down and think about it, because you and your family are not the center of the world. You know what saved your grand father? Not being in the way of most of that shrapnel. There is no god, what's your reply to this? I hope this made you think.
PlaneAU 2 weeks ago
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@PlaneAU Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you have to put down people who do. So no, it didn't make anyone WITH A LIFE think.
FuzzBugify 2 weeks ago
@Lapp6192 he survived and lived to tell the story about how god saved his life that day
monkeyfunn41 1 month ago
@monkeyfunn41 So God saved his life but killed the other guy? Gotta love religious people.
OlderG0ds 1 month ago 3
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@OlderG0ds Do you even care that you might be offending other religious people?
FuzzBugify 2 weeks ago
@235LBS I call bullshit. The only thing u shot was a load of jizz into ur boyfriends mouth, u are a fraud, a bullshiter, and a joke.
Zaarour8 1 month ago
One question... WHY ISN'T THE SONG "FORTUNATE SON" PLAYING!!!!
cool8luigi 1 month ago
YOUTUBE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SuperAteam10 1 month ago
Just remember, Ho Chi Minh initially went to Truman and presented the a part of the U.S. Constitution to him in order to free his country. Truman supported the French colonization of Vietnam, so Ho Chi Minh had to go elsewhere (ie. Communist China and Russia).
sgnl42 1 month ago
@sgnl42 This is not true. Initially Truman supported the Viet Minh and did not support a return of the French. It was only AFTER Ho Chi Minh remained as part of the global communist camp and rejected alignment with the US in favor of alignment with the Soviets that the US supported the French.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 How is it not true? Can you provide evidence that Truman ever supported the Viet Minh and not the French?
sgnl42 1 month ago
"As soon as they began to use violence in self-defense, the whole Saigon government apparatus fell apart at once because it was an apparatus based on nothing but a monopoly of violence. And once it lost that monopoly of violence it was finished. And that's what led the United States to move in. There were no North Vietnamese around." [The whole interview can be found under "The Legacy of the Vietnam War."]
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS This has little, if anything to do with which side was worse - you seem quite hellbented on suggesting the US was engaged in a genocidal campaign similar to that of the Holocaust, which is outright idiocy. Furthermore, you're talking about the 50s, not the very war period of 1965 to 1973 - and it's as if Vietnam is an exception - S.Korea was run by a dictator who was almost as bad but even then, democracy eventually kicked in by the late 80s~early 90s.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 What I posted was two paragraphs (posted in 4 parts) of a very clear explanation of the development of the U.S.-Vietnam War. It has everything to do with the U.S. responsibility for the war, which is what should concern us as American citizens. The U.S. aggression against Vietnam, which began in the 1950s, left millions dead. It is in no way "outright idiocy" to suggest that we take responsibility for the crimes against humanity that our government has committed.
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS It has little to nothing to do with the military aspect of the war and what you're suggesting is merely the political and dark circles of it - regardless, to say the US was 'aggressive' against 'Vietnam' (note, Vietnam was divided into two countries at that period) is fallacy and BS by leftists or people with lacking knowledge in military history. It's already proven that that the North Vietnamese were almost as nasty and perhaps beyond - only that their actions are seldom mentioned.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 So what you want to do is ignore the U.S. role in destabilizing Vietnam through terror and intervention in domestic Vietnamese politics in the 1950s in order to try to justify the continued invasion of destruction of Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s. Once again, you avoid the main point: If the U.S. was supposed to be defending South Vietnam against North Vietnamese aggression, why was the U.S. attacking SOUTH VIETNAM?
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS Furthermore, the North had the option of not getting itself involved with the VC, which it did the exact opposite and simply made things worse and can be described as aggressive behavior as well - never mind the fact political repression was already occurring in their own country. It was no different to how Mao and Stalin treated their own political enemies or suspects.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 Notice what you're saying. You're saying that North Vietnam had the option of not getting involved in the politics of their own country! ..as if you or your government were God!! And at the same time you imply that it was just fine for the U.S., A FOREIGN COUNTRY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, to get involved in the domestic politics of Vietnam. You have no principled opposition to Mao or Stalin, because you support the undemocratic puppet dictators of S. Vietnam.
54683NS 2 months ago 2
@54683NS And no, aggression of the US wasn't the main reason why many S.Viets were begging for evacuation - they had plenty of time prior to 1975 to leave the country through other means other than US assistance. If anything, the North also broke the treaty signed in 1973 and illegally invaded the South - that is unjustified, regardless of how poor the South's government or how nationalistic the North felt, not to mention sending hundreds of thousands to gulag-like camps.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
Why so much hostility? I am from The United States of America. My dad was in the army during Desert Storm, My grandpa was in Vietnam. War is not something soldiers want, Its politicians. I agree, as well as other Americans, that alot of the wars we get involved with, we shouldn't get involved with. But you shouldn't disrespect the soldiers that are involved. There job is to fight when there country tells them too, No questions. So just show some respect, And R.I.P To both sides who suffered.
Iceproductionss 2 months ago
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7heFatman07 2 months ago
i enjoy watching videos of destruction and slaughter i wish i couldve fought in vietnam i would have perhaps died but i would at least relish in the oppurtunity or committing violence. violence is a primal urge of all living things how can it be bad to partcipate in it. and if it is bad what or it?
fuxu123 2 months ago
Many soldiers were shot by people from their own company or other of their own thats a sad part of it. The biggest mistake of it was the age problem, most of the soldiers were too young most of them only between 19-23. The Americans lost around 58.000 soldiers. The loss on the American side is small in comparison with the Vietnamese (2-5,7 millions incl civilians) Im sure the loss would have been much smaller if they had been older and experienced, but from where should they get those soldiers?
globe255 2 months ago
@globe255 I'll note that at least the commanders in charge of all US troops in Vietnam were actually quite competent and experienced - Westmoreland and Abrams served in that position and had seen combat in WW2 as field commanders themselves. It was the political morons that didn't know a damn clue how to win a war. Conscription at the time was also the norm for manpower at the time - the US was no exception.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@globe255 Which also goes to say, roughly 75% or so of the US troops actually volunteered for military service, despite the conscription. But to sustain 58,000 deaths in a conflict spanning between the 1965 to1973, that is actually fairly low in a military strategy view - hell, the total number of US deaths in WW2 were 7~8 times larger than Vietnam.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 Yes it is a low number in a conflict spanning from 1965 to 73.
globe255 2 months ago
Ein Krieg gegen Zivilisten. Noch feiger kann man nicht sein..Der erste Rock`nRoll- Krieg.Was für eine Schande! Die Bilder die ich als Kind sehen mußte gehen mir bis heute nicht mehr aus dem Kopf. Pro-Kommunistische Propaganda in der Schule, Magazine, ARD-Weltspiegel, Jesus, you have better leave me unborn.
bergathron 2 months ago
@bergathron Es war kein Krieg gegen zivilisten. Wir haetten kein 58,000 soldaten verloren wenn es ein krieg gegen zivilisten waere. Es war ein Krieg gegen Der NVA, der Dong und der Viet Cong.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 huh?
Commander23222 1 month ago
why are all you fuckin pussies talkin shit about the US troops going into Vietnam, blame the polititians who want the war to happen. FYI Troops didnt want to be there it was their duty
1roiboi 2 months ago
i speeek englishi i liked it chini cola hahaha
230023yuyu 2 months ago
Serve the dead and wounded American soldiers right. They went in there where they had no business and murdered a nation.
IsaAshworth 2 months ago
@IsaAshworth - South Vietnam pleaded with its ally, the U.S., for help in preventing North Vietnam from invading them and taking them over. There was nothing wrong with the U.S. coming to the aid of an ally. Indeed it *would* have been wrong if the U.S. *didn't* come to the aid of South Vietnam. Stop overdosing on your hatred pills.
Echeque5 2 months ago
@Echeque5 When you say South Vietnam pleaded with the U.S. to help, you're not referring the population of Vietnam, you're referring instead to the U.S.-supported puppet dictator.
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS - Is that why after the U.S. pulled out and turned its back on an ally and Noth Vietnam took over South Vietnam, that hundreds of thousands, (if not millions), of South Vietnamese were *executed* by North Vietnam?!!!!
Echeque5 2 months ago
@Echeque5 The United States invaded and destroyed South Vietnam for more than a decade and you're trying to retroactively justify this crime against humanity by saying that the North Vietnamese RESPONSE to U.S. aggression was its cause. Also, please provide some evidence that "hundreds of thousands (if not millions), of South Vietnamese were *executed* by North Vietnam"!
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS It may not be hundreds of thousands or millions, but tens of thousands of South Vietnamese were in fact executed by the North - never mind the number that were sent to 'reeducation' camps. By the way, if the US 'invaded' South Vietnam, then do please enlighten me why it was the South Vietnamese government that pretty much wanted US assistance. If anything, it was the North with support of the VC that invaded South Vietnam.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 Many more South Vietnamese were slaughtered by the U.S. than by the North Vietnamese. The South Vietnamese government wanted U.S. assitance because it was an undemocratic puppet dictatorship that did not have support among the people of Vietnam.
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS Got any statistics proof to show more S.Viets were killed by the US than the North? By the way, if you thought the S.Vietnamese government was bad, the N.Vietnamese turned out to be just as bad - in fact, both governments were execessively anti-communist and anti-capitalist, respectively, corrupt and were filled with nutty fruitcakes that were blindly nationalistic. I suggest you google "Myths of Vietnam War" - because one of the myths is that US atrocities were widespread.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 Noam Chomsky has done extensive research on the topic. Here is his assessment: "First of all, let's make absolutely certain that was the fact: that the U.S. directed the war against South Vietnam. There was a political settlement in 1954. But in the late '50's the United States organized an internal repression in South Vietnam, not using its troops, but using the local apparatus it was constructing. ..." [continued in next post]
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS "...This was a very significant and very effective campaign of violence and terrorism against the Vietminh -- which was the communist-led nationalist force that fought the French. And the Vietminh at that time was adhering to the Geneva Accords, hoping that the political settlement would work out in South Vietnam. And so, not only were they not conducting any terrorism, but in fact, they were not even responding to the violence against them..." [continued in next post]
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS "It reached the point where by 1959 the Vietminh leadership -- the communist party leadership -- was being decimated. Cadres were being murdered extensively. Finally in May of 1959 there was an authorization to use violence in self-defense, after years of murder, with thousands of people killed in this campaign organized by the United States." [one more post coming to complete the 2 paragraphs]
54683NS 2 months ago
@54683NS If anything VC and NVA atrocities were just as widespread and were even considered a norm as a some sort of systematic tactic to gain support. There's a reason why a lot of Vietnamese people were practically begging the US helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft in Saigon (1975) to evacuate them - in which tens of thousands were successfully evacuated.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@SuperBomber01 The reason why Vietnamese people were begginig to get out of the country in 1975 is because after more than a decade of aggression the United States had left the country destroyed, in chaos and millions dead, which didn't create a lot of love for the U.S. or its collaborators by the time the whole operation of slaughter and destruction was coming to an end.
54683NS 2 months ago 2
@IsaAshworth there business was to help south Vietnam to fight off the communist
MrKaiser408 2 months ago
China's military sucks ass. Quality over quantity. Chinese weapons are shit. We have the most expirience in combat. We control sea and the sky. Not to mention our flag on the moon! God bless our allies. And god bless America!!! USA USA USA!
VooAIRSOFTDoo 2 months ago
what experience you have bloody idiot, killing innocent ppl?? butchering?that is why idiots you suffering haa haa haa,now you dont have nothing ,empty have to beg to china , hee hee hee . your are number one for tutututututututu .haa haa haa
aseepca 2 months ago
you never won any place ,look back, you loss vietnam, you loss iraq, now you are losing afganistan, haahaa, you idiots killing innocent ppl, you willl loose every where. your bank now empty. haa haa haa. china is now coming to number one .accept the fact. you always have imagination like your film, come down and see the fact china is now number one , you cannot do anything with china never ever. dream like a buffoon
aseepca 2 months ago
@aseepca - Stop taking your hatred pills. You're overdosing. South Vietnam was brought to a political conclusion. The U.S. military never lost a battle in Vietnam. Iraq was a complete win for the U.S. military, as is Afghanistan. China number one? roflmao! Look kid, do back to watching your cartoon channel.
Echeque5 2 months ago
@VooAIRSOFTDoo Retard
pobinr 1 month ago
From what i know about these guys,when they die the should go 2 Heaven
navySEALteam5 2 months ago
finally no music just straight gun action lol :D
P90smuv 2 months ago
If you don't like the U.S.: GET OUT! There's the door!
heavenlybeast1 2 months ago
I love this country even with the our fuck ups. If anyone that lives here hates it that bad they are more than welcome to get the fuck out. We are still the greatest nation to rise on this earth. Sure we may owe China a shit load of money...But we are so bad ass we might just tell China, "what money?"
89arnburg 2 months ago
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@89arnburg American ' CIA agents in southern Vietnam were masscred by Chinese special agents at the beginning of Vietnam war,
lordzilu1584 2 months ago
AMERICA YEEEAH!!!!!!!! USA FUCK YEEEAAAH!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!
guayx2 2 months ago
In my point of view a man that does not support his countrymen in time of war we should at a minimum, take their citizenship and send them to the enemy country, take every asset they own and give it to the poor and just for good measure cut their balls off so they can't contaminate the rest of the world with their unfaithfulness to the nation.
Zaarour8 2 months ago
@Zaarour8
I fucking love you.
gta4ratman 2 months ago
@gta4ratman Amen brother, u never go wrong with patriotism and booze
Zaarour8 2 months ago
@rustyschackleford100 hey man as much as I want to believe what ur saying, they only thing that is registering in my thick head is that u are a scared little bitch. That shit u talk about is just ur excuse for the fact that u wouldn't amount to anything in the Army. Pussy, have a nice day asshole.
Zaarour8 2 months ago
America!
Hughlllllllll 2 months ago
SO YOU SUCK THAT WHY YOU SAY THAT HAHHHA
jokson1000 3 months ago
that very sick war i like it very much they RE MY SOLDIERS HAHAHAHAHAHH
jokson1000 3 months ago
Fuck President Johnson and Ladybird
MindMyLost 3 months ago
tet offensive
xtranger3 3 months ago
next time i want to see wars only on games and movies.. T_T
skah07 3 months ago
Oh yea I like to start wars on the weekend, but first I like to vote in the senate on things that make the rich richer...haha jackass
Zaarour8 3 months ago
assassin
darkmafia43 3 months ago
You dum ass william the frince did that before the usa got there. why does your cournty speek so mush of it ???
bkwwilkes1 3 months ago
for my uncle inlaw bob who married my mums sister and could never talk about it i salute u all who served over there and thank you all from the united kingdom i hope u all ex vets had a good veterans day we hav poppy day here thank you again and my pal wolfie who served over there respect as always ex irish guardsman here