im gonna make a video that will clear this subject once and for all. this in bull that you can lose your salvation. first of all hes saying u get saved by doing good works, second, he uses some versus from the old testament BEFORE Jesus died on the cross. thats just the beginning. i will prove to you all that you CANNOT lose your salvation
Sorry there is a mix up. I did watch the video and my reply started out "I hear what you say but ..." and explained that it was ongoing sin that caused the loss of salvation.
Hello there KJTheTruth, I agree with you entirely and as a matter of fact I am in the process of making MORE videos on the same subject. Personally, I think that the fact that we can lose our salvation is the clearest doctrine in the Bible. It is painfully clear but equally painful to try to get the message through to those entrenched in OSAS. Like you, if find their logic astoundingly circular and frustratingly illogical. God bless mate, Mick
Yes thank you for your comment. The Lord willing more will come to receive the truth on this matter before it is to late for them. Please share these videos so more can know.
Hello simple475 - I'm not sure what video you wanted me to watch. However, 1 Tim 4:1 tells us that people can depart the faith but eternal security says that those who depart the faith were never in the faith in the first place and that is the sort of logic that leaves me speechless. It is like saying that John left the room but he never was in the room in the first place. That is just one example. God bless, Mick
I hear what you say but you have it wrong in that it is only through ongoing, deliberate, wilful, knowing sin that leads a person to salvation loss. This is made clear in Heb 10:26-31. Getting saved initially is through a repentant heart and a believer remains saved through retaining a repentant heart ... a heart that only God knows. Once a person apostasises, he cannot come back as Heb 6:4-6 says. God bless, Mick
Heb 10 is describing a lifestyle of not living according to the Spirit, not the occassional sin which is quickly repented of. It's like the lifestyle of the servant in Luke 12:42-46 - if the Master returns to find him still faithful then he will be rewarded but if his new lifestyle is getting drunk and beating the servants then he will be assigned a place with the unbelievers. Note that there is only one servant in that parable and his end depends on his lifestyle.
Sorry but you are wrong on the first point so there is no sense in hopping from one point to another. If you read Heb 10, from verse 19, you will see that it is addressing brothers, meeting together etc, and in verse 26 it says to the same brothers that they will face hell if they deliberately sin. If you can't see that then there is little sense in going to another point. God bless, Mick
Yes, sorry to say but it is asking too much as I have been led on that path often. When a Scripture stumps someone they try their next argument and then the next and the cycle is very time consuming. I guess you dismiss Hebrews as only for the Jews or some such and that is more that I can swallow so I am sorry to say that I don't want to go down that path again. God bless,
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Is it not the most heinous willful sin to once believe as a babe in Christ that his blood redeemed only to later believe the work of continued repentance is what saves?
christianissues, you prove too much using 1 Tim 4:1 to argue against the preservation of the saints. The scripture says those who depart from the faith no longer rely on Christ for salvation. They have given heed to seducing spirits, doctrines of devils, one of which, I perceive, says that you must work to maintain your salvation; otherwise you will lose it.
So, I beseech you not to deny reliance on Christ Jesus and the efficacy of his finished work on the cross. Salvation is of the Lord.
We must repent to be saved initially and that is not considered works so how can it be said that ongoing repentance is works? Or do you believe that we don't need to repent to be saved? In John 3:16 the word believe means to commit to and to trust in and the word is present tense so, in order to inherit eternal life, one must continue to commit to and continue to trust in ... it is not a once off "thank you Jesus".
@christianissues yes we MUST repent, Luke 13:3 however repentance is the FRUIT of salvation, NOT the root, it goes simultaneously with saving faith, and we MUST continue till the end, however those who HAVE been BORN AGAIN WILL CONTINUE TO THE END, One of the marks of a true believer is Endurance, those who are PROVEN UNFRUITFUL are those that leave, Matt 13 states those just like that "PROVEN UNFRUITFUL" 1st John 2:19 "they left cause they NEVER were really of us" the work HE starts He finishes
@braintwizta 1 John 2:19 could well be speaking of people who were never saved so that verse is no proof of eternal security. The parable in Luke 12:42-46 is too simple to misunderstand. There is only ONE servant in the parable. He is clearly a saved man, faithful and wise, and the Master will reward him if He returns to find him doing good or will send him to hell with the unbelievers if he is sinning. This parable it painfully clear and totally refutes Once Saved. God bless, Mick
Good video Brother
0OoJoshuaoO0 1 year ago
Geat vid keep making vids
1onlineeagle 2 years ago
Good teaching brother.
ministryofanapostle 2 years ago
im gonna make a video that will clear this subject once and for all. this in bull that you can lose your salvation. first of all hes saying u get saved by doing good works, second, he uses some versus from the old testament BEFORE Jesus died on the cross. thats just the beginning. i will prove to you all that you CANNOT lose your salvation
thatkidwithADHD 2 years ago
Tha truth!
stockpho 2 years ago
....wow.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that **Christ died for our sins** according to the scriptures;
did Christ die for our past sins?
what about our present?
our future sins?
NO sin can go unpunished.
and NO ONE with sin on them can enter Heaven.
thankfully, Christ paid for ALL sins.
if he Didn't pay for our future sins, WE WOULD ALL END UP IN HELL because no one can live SINLESS save Jesus Christ!
simple475 2 years ago
what about all those "if" verses
and it's also required that we are to forgive others for God to forgive us ...
according to your theory we can sin wantonly and then still go to Heaven?
bicycledays 2 years ago
Sorry there is a mix up. I did watch the video and my reply started out "I hear what you say but ..." and explained that it was ongoing sin that caused the loss of salvation.
God bless,
Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
I ask you to go watch a 3 minute 30 second video over 4 hours ago and you don't even say no you just start carrying on.
but w/e man I hope you watch the video so you can correct me if I am in error.
later.
simple475 2 years ago
Hello there KJTheTruth, I agree with you entirely and as a matter of fact I am in the process of making MORE videos on the same subject. Personally, I think that the fact that we can lose our salvation is the clearest doctrine in the Bible. It is painfully clear but equally painful to try to get the message through to those entrenched in OSAS. Like you, if find their logic astoundingly circular and frustratingly illogical. God bless mate, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
Yes thank you for your comment. The Lord willing more will come to receive the truth on this matter before it is to late for them. Please share these videos so more can know.
KJTheTruth 2 years ago
@christianissues
there is nothing illogical about the doctrine of eternal security.
go watch my most recent video on it.
I'd like to see you refute it
simple475 2 years ago
Hello simple475 - I'm not sure what video you wanted me to watch. However, 1 Tim 4:1 tells us that people can depart the faith but eternal security says that those who depart the faith were never in the faith in the first place and that is the sort of logic that leaves me speechless. It is like saying that John left the room but he never was in the room in the first place. That is just one example. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
@christianissues
thanks for the response.
the video I wanted you to watch...click on my name, then 'uploads' then my most recent video entitled,
"~ How to Prove Once Saved Always Saved is True ~ OSAS Eternal Security ~"
here is the link..
/watch?v=EkGe3ADRRv8
it'd be nice for you to watch it first so we can discuss on the same page since you think eternal security is illogical.
I'd like to see you refute the logic in my video.
thanks.
simple475 2 years ago
I hear what you say but you have it wrong in that it is only through ongoing, deliberate, wilful, knowing sin that leads a person to salvation loss. This is made clear in Heb 10:26-31. Getting saved initially is through a repentant heart and a believer remains saved through retaining a repentant heart ... a heart that only God knows. Once a person apostasises, he cannot come back as Heb 6:4-6 says. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
um...ALL sin is 'wilful' and 'deliberate' and 'knowing' unless you deny we have a free will.
please go watch my video.
I prove OSAS is the truth, I'd personally like to hear you respond to it so that I may be corrected in my error if I am in error.
thanks.
simple475 2 years ago
Heb 10 is describing a lifestyle of not living according to the Spirit, not the occassional sin which is quickly repented of. It's like the lifestyle of the servant in Luke 12:42-46 - if the Master returns to find him still faithful then he will be rewarded but if his new lifestyle is getting drunk and beating the servants then he will be assigned a place with the unbelievers. Note that there is only one servant in that parable and his end depends on his lifestyle.
christianissues 2 years ago
please go watch my short video I'd like to hear your response to it so that I may be corrected if I am in error. thanks.
its only 3.5 minutes long.
simple475 2 years ago
Sorry but you are wrong on the first point so there is no sense in hopping from one point to another. If you read Heb 10, from verse 19, you will see that it is addressing brothers, meeting together etc, and in verse 26 it says to the same brothers that they will face hell if they deliberately sin. If you can't see that then there is little sense in going to another point. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
....wow.
I've read that scripture, I know all the 'arguments'.
just go watch my video please is that too much to ask?
wow.
simple475 2 years ago
Yes, sorry to say but it is asking too much as I have been led on that path often. When a Scripture stumps someone they try their next argument and then the next and the cycle is very time consuming. I guess you dismiss Hebrews as only for the Jews or some such and that is more that I can swallow so I am sorry to say that I don't want to go down that path again. God bless,
Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
lol what on earth are you talking about?
you aren't 'stumping' me and I'm not moving on to 'the next cycle'
the VERY first thing I asked of you was to go watch my 3 minute 30 second video..come on!!!
I do not believe Hebrews is only for Jews.
there is reasonable explanation for all of that.
now if you aren't going to watch my video, you might as well told me before you kept going on.
simple475 2 years ago
my video proves IRREFUTABLY(the scripture can't be interpreted another way) the OSAS position go have a look.
I agree, going back and forth with verses is pointless.
THAT'S WHY IM SAYING WATCH THE VIDEO MAN..COME ON.
It's not a video about purporting verse interpretations like you are with Hebrews.
my last response to you until you watch the video.
please go correct me in my error and lead me away from error to the truth. watch my video.
last response on here, i hope u watch the video.
simple475 2 years ago
christianissues, read it again slowly:
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Is it not the most heinous willful sin to once believe as a babe in Christ that his blood redeemed only to later believe the work of continued repentance is what saves?
apathyHurtsMore 2 years ago
christianissues, you prove too much using 1 Tim 4:1 to argue against the preservation of the saints. The scripture says those who depart from the faith no longer rely on Christ for salvation. They have given heed to seducing spirits, doctrines of devils, one of which, I perceive, says that you must work to maintain your salvation; otherwise you will lose it.
So, I beseech you not to deny reliance on Christ Jesus and the efficacy of his finished work on the cross. Salvation is of the Lord.
apathyHurtsMore 2 years ago
We must repent to be saved initially and that is not considered works so how can it be said that ongoing repentance is works? Or do you believe that we don't need to repent to be saved? In John 3:16 the word believe means to commit to and to trust in and the word is present tense so, in order to inherit eternal life, one must continue to commit to and continue to trust in ... it is not a once off "thank you Jesus".
christianissues 2 years ago
@christianissues yes we MUST repent, Luke 13:3 however repentance is the FRUIT of salvation, NOT the root, it goes simultaneously with saving faith, and we MUST continue till the end, however those who HAVE been BORN AGAIN WILL CONTINUE TO THE END, One of the marks of a true believer is Endurance, those who are PROVEN UNFRUITFUL are those that leave, Matt 13 states those just like that "PROVEN UNFRUITFUL" 1st John 2:19 "they left cause they NEVER were really of us" the work HE starts He finishes
braintwizta 1 year ago
@braintwizta 1 John 2:19 could well be speaking of people who were never saved so that verse is no proof of eternal security. The parable in Luke 12:42-46 is too simple to misunderstand. There is only ONE servant in the parable. He is clearly a saved man, faithful and wise, and the Master will reward him if He returns to find him doing good or will send him to hell with the unbelievers if he is sinning. This parable it painfully clear and totally refutes Once Saved. God bless, Mick
christianissues 1 year ago