I'm not anti-vaccination. I just don't recommend it.

[michael0156]

mjr - Your link to a LBRB criticism of Dr Healy falls flat on its face. Just read the comment by Schwartz. That person takes Kevin Leitch's criticism apart & destroys it for the prejudiced piece of misinformation that it is.

Of course Orac (Gorski) attempts to come to Leitch's aid, but he too is unable resurrect the failed critique of Dr Bernadine Healy

Why do they lie about an emminently qualified and accomplished person as Dr Healy?

Why do you reference them?

Post your best 2 studies

[mjr256]

@michael0156

& we've already been through this "2 best studies" nonsense repeatedly as well. I've repeatedly explained why the notion of "2 best studies" is fallacious while pointing you to thousands of studies & you simply refuse to accept that science is cumulative & that there aren't even "2 best studies" that would alone sufficiently prove gravity.

Now I've warned you about the constant lying accusations but you seem to refuse to engage in a civil conversation, so now you're gone.

[bristow0156]

@mjr256 Again you avoid posting ANY evidence to support vaccines not being correlated with autism

You don't post evidence because you don't have any that isn't fraudulent, manipulated, wrong or too conflicted

As per your request I exposed one of your LBRB authors (Leitch) as a liar or ignorantly believing Rutter's propaganda. I don't need 3 sources, the Japan record of immunization shows Rutter's deception. No defense?

Sometimes shoes are the right size

Stop Hurting Kids... they're just kids

[mjr256]

@bristow0156

I've already explained repeatedly why this is a fallacious line of argument. The burden of proof lies w/ the claimant. If I were to claim vaccines turn you into a warewolf, it would not be anyone else's responsibility to present positive evidence showing they don't turn a person into a warewolf but the my job to substantiate my claim. Of course, I HAVE cited numerous studies like the Danish study that overwhelmingly show no greater prevalence of autism among vaccinated populations.

[mjr256]

cont'd

....to which you're response, michael bristow, has been to childishly dismiss the inconvenient studies based on baseless accusations that the studies have been fixed. That is a serious accusation of fraud, which constitutes as libel.

& it's bc you don't address the science & simply continue to poison the well w/ libelous accusations you refuse to substantiate in either the court of science or any court of law, it makes you fundamentally intellectual dishonest & not worth any more time.

[michael0156]

mjr posts 4 paragraphs of ramblings w/o any evidence, says I don't use facts (w/o disputing facts I posted), says I accuse him of "lying in almost every comment" (my last 8 prove otherwise), defends LBRB when he knows they defend Big Pharma with deceptions & lies (e.g - Leitsch uses Rutter study of Japan withdrawal of MMR, saying autism rose despite no MMR. Rutter (drug industry expert witness) doesn't reveal Japan substututed 3 seperate vaccines for the single MMR, supporting a vax/autism link)

[michael0156]

2008 CBS News, Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"

Dr Healy is a former NIH director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic Chair of The Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant

Search for- nellco autism -Law review study of 1000 kids who were compensated for brain injury caused by vaccines. 83 of those kids were subsequently diagnosed with autism

Evidence is there, shills deny it

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Arguments from authority are not a proper substitute for the facts. Ms. Healy has a proven track record for misleading the public regarding vaccines and there's no shortage of medical professionals who have taken the time to dissect her misinformation.

For instance:

ht tp leftbrainrightbrain(.)co(.)uk/­2008/05/the-bernadine-healy-ca­rd

[michael0156]

@mjr The fallacy of "argument from authority" is committed when a quoted authority's training & experience are irrelevant to the issue. Dr Healy has published over 100 peer reviewed articles & studies, as NIH head she oversaw largest collection of peer reviewed material on the planet, as Chair of the Cleveland Clinic's Research Institute she was hands-on involved in a broad range of cutting edge medical research

mjr's link is a paid group of shills who lie & deceive w/o regard for injured kids

[mjr256]

@michael0156

The strength of your argument rests on the word of (not the peer-reviewed research of) a particular person who once held a position of some authority in a broad medical context. While she has published peer-reviewed works, they do not relate to her vaccine claims. She is not an infectious disease specialist nor a vaccine specialist. The consensus among legitimate experts in the specific relevant fields squarely disagrees w/ her & this is brought out by the data, not just their word.

[michael0156]

@mjrAgain you refer to "legitimate experts", but you don't refer to a single piece of evidence proving vaccines aren't linked to autism

It is absolutly clear from Merck's clinical trials MMR is linked to DOZENS of types of brain injuries, diabetes, arthritis, other autoimmune disorders... in spite of many of those injuries being automatically compensated, mjr refuses to admit MMR (& other vax) may cause autism

Search- nellco autism -83 cases of autism directly linked to vaccinations

[mjr256]

@michael0156

" you don't refer to a single piece of evidence proving vaccines aren't linked to autism"

The practice of science involves formulating & testing hypotheses, assertions that are capable of being proven false using a test of observed data. (See: Null hypothesis).

This is high school level science...the basics! Stop moving the goalpost. Pick ONE specific testable claim & show they've been repeatedly confirmed by multiple well-designed, independent & peer-reviewed studies.

[michael0156]

mjr never mentions a fact, a study, a list of Dr Healy's "track record for misleading", doesn't mention ONE medical professional "who have taken the time to disect her misinformation"

LeftBrainRightBrain is a web site devoted to defending the drug industry even at the cost of abandoning reason & science... which they do regularly... while claiming their irrational posts are actually science or evidence based. It is a shill breeding ground of misinformation & lies

Of course it is mjr's source

[mjr256]

@michael0156

On the contrary, LBRB has no known unhealthy ties to the drug industry. You just don't like that they disagree w/ you....a lot. Point to one relevant fact the site has got wrong and present 3 reputable sources showing it's wrong. Otherwise, I'll just assume this is another shameless attempt to poison the well because you can't actually address the science.

[michael0156]

tom & mjr lie/deceive defending vaccines & denying proved injuries to kids/adults. Whether they are duped or deliberately lie, they shill

For instance- mjr says I "haven't pointed out an error in any study about vax safety & efficacy"

I have & some studies show injuries

3 examples

1-Fombonne using different databases

2-Madsen manipulating records (neither reported conflicts)

3-Search "MMR package insert" -Merck's research links MMR to brain injuries, diabetes, arthritis & MUCH MORE

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Michael, I've repeatedly...REPEATEDLY corrected your strawman that I deny all injury from vaccines. I do not. Nor does any1 else? Do you deny that seat belts can cause injuries? What about airbags? And yet I suspect that you also recognize that the benefits of these things far outweigh the risks. Risk vs. Benefit. Anecdotes are not data nor is googling something a proper form of medical research.

[michael0156]

@mjr256 mjr shows he is practiced in deception/deflection & again comes to this forum w/o evidence. He does so w/o a conscience or pity or a moment of remorse for the children he continues to injure by helping to thwart any research into finding the truth about the connection between vaccines, brain injury, autoimmune disease & autism

2 studies... the best you can find

[mjr256]

@michael0156

It's funny how I have been nothing but open about my methods for arriving at my information and have yet to be caught in even a single inaccurate statement (let alone deliberate lie) and you accuse me of lying in almost every comment. Calling something true or false is utterly meaningless unless you can back it up with demonstrable evidence. I've lost my patience w/ you so if you continue to libel me in lieu of presenting facts, I will block you. I'm been more than reasonable.

[michael0156]

@mjr256 You point to vax safety & efficacy w/o clarification, letting people assume you mean they are safe & effective

You deny vaccines cause autism, w/o any supporting research that hasn't been proved to be fraudulent or conflicted

Search- nellco autism -Peer reviewed law journal study of approx 1000 records of children compensated for vax-caused brain injury. 83 of them were diagnosed with autism

The proper research has not been done & you deliberately stand in the way... lying

[mjr256]

@michael0156

No assumptions. Simply insisting people don't get into a scientific debate w/o any prior knowledge on the subject. And as I've said countless times, "I" have denied nothing. I have never addressed my own personal opinions, only the facts & consensus of relevant experts, all of which show no significant correlation of any kind. Declaring research you personally don't like "fraudulent" doesn't make it so. If you can prove it's fraudulent in court. Otherwise, it's empty talk.

[bristow0156]

@mjr256 You claim to use the facts of relevant experts, but you ascribe to the authors at LBRB who are not experts, and who refer to fraudulent deceptions passed off as peer reviewed science (which I have demonstrated with Leitch referring to Rutter's propaganda)

It's not that I "don't like" Rutter. He DELIBERATELY left out relevant info which would disprove his conclusion that MMR is not correlated to autism

I tell my kids that deception is as bad as lying. In science it's much worse!

[mjr256]

@bristow0156

Michael, as I've repeatedly stated, I ascribe to the consensus view shared by every single reputable health organization on planet Earth, as do the writers at LBRB & countless other medical blogs. I know you prefer to think every1 who disagrees w/ your baseless beliefs is a fraud but until I see you prove this in court, it's empty rhetoric to avoid the science, where every1 is free to check their work. Don't waste my time w/ conspiracies. You've failed to state even 1 SPECIFIC error

[mjr256]

"There's no such thing as a safe drug, it can't be done, drugs are the #1 cause of disease and #3 cause of death even according to JAMA."

Citation please.

Arsenic & cyanide are natural. Sanitation & concentrated vitamin pills aren't. Good luck w/ that all natural thing. All food is sold at huge profits too; good luck on not buying any food in your anti-Capitalist crusade. Instead though, I recommend learning how to make a proper logical syllogism cause you're doin' it wrong.

[Richeaux]

Yet another whacko antivax tool. Sigh....

[michael0156]

@mjr256 EVERYONE is liable for negligence, your comment is irrelevant. Current law allows a vax maker to escape liability for any damage vaccines cause by listing possible reactions on their package inserts.

Google "Package Insert" MMR - Merck lists 5 pages of adverse events warnings precautions discovered in clinical trials

Merck admits MMR may cause these reactions, some brain damage caused by MMR is automatically compensated by Vaccine Court, but the govt FORCES vaccination anyway

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Not irrelevant. Antivaxxer are constantly claiming the NCVI Act removes ALL liability from pharma to create the illusion of a conspiracy. Hardly a day goes by that I don't hear that claim. But the reason pharma isn't held to the same strict liability as, say, a construction company when it comes to vaccines even though we know medical interventions always carry some risks is because vaccines serve a public need & if manufacturers went under, it'd be disastrous for society

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

Simply listing risks would not escape liability. Any reputable legal professional would call that claim preposterous nonsense. And if you bothered to read the NCVI Act that Barbara Loe Fisher was once so proud of or the recent Bruesewitz v. Wyeth decision, they explain the exact motivation that went into the Act.

Further, you don't seem to know what an adverse event means; all it means is any adverse change in health that occurs in a clinical trial subject while they receive the treatment

[mjr256]

cont'd

Health professionals acknowledge vaccines can cause harms, but also recognize serious harms are few & far between. Just because serious harms can occur, it doesn't mean the whole enterprise isn't worth doing. That too is absurd. Cars also carry serious risks but society deems the benefits greater than the risks. Seat belts too kill people sometimes; that doesn't mean we should ban seat belts. And when vaccines do cause harm, I've very glad we have a vaccine court to compensate them.

[mjr256]

cont'd

Here's the REAL purpose of the NCVI Act:

"The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (NCVIA or Act) created a no-fault compensation program to stabilize a vaccine market adversely affected by an increase in vaccine-related tort litigationand to facilitate compensation to claimants who found pursuing le-gitimate vaccine-inflicted injuries too costly and difficult."

-Bruesewitz v. Wyeth decision

rescuepost(.)com/files/supreme­-court-bruesewitz(.)pdf

[michael0156]

mjr defends Vaccine Court w/o science studies facts - just irrelevant analogies

Vax Court's 8 special masters (judges) have no medical experience/training. Only 1 special master has been a judge (Vowell), a military judge, retired in 2006

Victims are FORCED to sue only in DC in Vax Court. If they can't afford to, too bad

Only 1 in 3 receive compensation

Lawyers have received as much as victims

Vax Court protects drug makers, continues harm to kids, judges & lawyers get more than victims

[mjr256]

@michael0156

No, I defend vaccine safety & efficacy w/ science evidence because that's science; I defend the institution of the vaccine courts w/ its history of success in compensating families & of maintaining at least a decent standard of evidence. And if at any point, the evidence showed vaccines did more harm than good, I'd happily change my position, something you seem unwilling to do. For all your bluster,you've yet to make a single legitimate argument against vaccines or vaccine court.

[mjr256]

cont'd

& while the vax court judges aren't experts themselves, that's not necessary for their jobs as they consult w/ relevant experts & have a long history of dealing w/ vax cases. Further, the standards of evidence in vax court are lower than science requires & the Autism Omnibus lawyers still failed miserably to make their case. The notion that the special masters were not knowledgeable enough to rule on the Omnibus cases is absurd. Show me where in their judgment they got the science wrong.

[michael0156]

I have asked mjr to produce the 2 best pieces of evidence he can find showing vax are safe & not associated with atuism, listing lead authors, sponsors, conflicts

He refuses

Why won't he post the 2 best truthful studies based on science, when he claims to have 100s?

Their are NO truthful science-based studies showing vaccines are safe & not associated with autism. All he has is epidemiology, which studies records (not kids) & is easily manipulated

mjr is a sociopath, hurting kids for profit

[mjr256]

cont'd

Actually, no1 is ever "FORCED" to sue any1. And lawsuits in ANY courtroom can be expensive; not just vaccine court. You say only 1 in 3 get compensation like that's a real indictment; courts of law are not ATMs; you actually have to make a reasonable case. Enough of these silly distractions. Either demonstrate w/ empirical evidence (along w/ citation) that vaccines are unreasonably dangerous & court protects drum makers or concede you don't really have a good reason for your ideology.

[michael0156]

mjr takes a statement I made out of context, another shill tactic

I didn't say kids & their families are "forced to sue any1". I said if they want to sue for vaccine-caused injuries the 1986 NCVIA federal law FORCES them to sue the HRSA Secretary, only in DC Vaccine Court. The Dept of Justice is FORCED to defend the HRSA Secretary. Vax makers are not involved

Free market profits for drug companies, socialized compensation for kids injured by vaccines

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Again, if you're going to keep accusing me of being a "shill," I must insist you back up the libelous accusation or else admit it's a shameless attempt to poison the well & that you don't care about evidence or truth. Any1 can tell I was mocking your ignorance of legal jurisdictions. Vaccine court protects both citizens & manufacturers by providing an expedited route to compensation w/ a generously low threshold for evidence w/ some listed injuries even given automatic compensations

[michael0156]

@mjr256 Vaccine court & NCVIA protect vax mfgs from liability. That is the intent of the NCVIA

Forcing kids & their families to go only to DC to sue for compensation is a monumental barrier to most. There is a cabal of lawyers & "judges" responsible for the defense & prosecution of vaccine injury cases who live, work & play together in DC, detached from the lives of those permanently damaged by vaccines

Free market profits, socialized compensation

Your lying about this issue marks you a shill

[mjr256]

@michael0156

As I've already shown, it does no such thing. You yourself have already conceded that many families are compensated through NCVIA. In fact, you happily point to such victories as examples of vaccines causing harm to create the illusion that it's a common occurrence. Your exact complaint was that "Only 1 in 3 receive compensation" (a whopping 33%), because apparently you think every1 who files a lawsuit should automatically win regardless of the facts of the case.

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

I also pointed you to a 1st-hand statement of the NCVIA's true purpose & your only rebuttal is it's all one big evil conspiracy (even though you've previously insisted you were not a conspiracy theorist). Just how many people are involved in this massive "cabal" you've concocted to dismiss all disconfirming evidence of your warped ideology? So far, we've got every1 who has ever worked for a drug company, every gov't, all mainstream media, virtually every doctor & now every judge.

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

With all these pay-offs, how does pharma expect to even make a profit? Instead of selling an unsafe product & paying off every1 in the world to keep it a secret, wouldn't it be far cheaper, safer, and easier to just make a safe product and pay off nobody at all? Seriously dude, your plot has more holes in it than a Michael Bay flick.

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

And you still haven't demonstrated a single scientific error in a single published study showing vaccine efficacy & safety, nor have you provided any evidence that anyone (including myself) is a shill for anybody, despite my repeatedly asking for it. Either do so or admit it's just a shameless attempt to poison the well & that you don't care about evidence. Or else you give me no option but to block you to keep this channel from being used to perpetuate false criminal accusations.

[tommy605]

@mjr256 I've been asking for a peer reviewed paper from him for some time on this /watch?v=qGW4a96GqGc video for some time now.

Seems he just keeps spouting the table, opinions, side effects, but when pressed for a peer reviewed paper, he calls us shills, and says "you lie and you hurt kids".

And the term Pediatric chiropractor is terrifying. I don't know why that's allowed.

Anyway, good luck with Mikey. He's frustrating, but fun because you know he's screaming while typing his responses.

[aabsc]

@mjr256 There's no such thing as a safe drug, it can't be done, drugs are the #1 cause of disease and #3 cause of death even according to JAMA. The reason is that to be approved a drug cannot be natural, it must be a toxic man made artificial synthetic chemical that can be patented which guarantees huge profits. Anything natural and safe cannot be patented and therefor cannot be made into a drug. Therefor, under current law, drugs MUST be toxic if they ever want any hope of approval.

[michael0156]

mjr now lies & deceives about what the NVICP is all about. If a vax maker lists an adverse event, warning, contraindication on their package insert they are exempt from ALL liability for those injuries if they occur

Recent court cases have protected vax makers from liability for design defects, even if a better safer vax is available

A vax maker is liable for negligence & for damage vaccines cause that are not listed in the package insert

Why would mjr lie about this legal fact?

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Nope, manufacturers can't just stick anything on the inserts & magically get "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards; they are in fact held to strict safety standards like every other industry & countless independent studies constantly investigate the safety of vaccines, which ARE IN FACT more than reasonably safe. If you disagree, fuckin prove it in court!

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

Funny how any1 in any real position to tell Mikey he's wrong is part of the evil pharma conspiracy. Let's see: every employee past & present of a pharma company, every1 affiliated w/ any reputable health org on Earth, every infectious disease expert, every immunologist, virtually every pediatrician, every court that deals w/ vaccines on Earth, every gov't on Earth, the entire mainstream media on Earth. All have to be trusted to keep the secret. Wow, any1 NOT part of the conspiracy?

[michael0156]

@mjr256 Side effects on the pkg insert are fair warning. No liability, that is law

Drug companies are not held to safety standards. Vioxx, Pargluva, Fosamax, Avandia, Thalidomide... 100's of others show drug companies injuring public health for profit

Vioxx - Merck lied to the FDA & journals. 9 researchers, over 5 years, warned the FDA. They were ignored (Topol & Nissen who exposed Merck/Bristol's Pargluva, FDA's David Graham, 6 others). 45,000+ Americans dead. 120,000 injured

mjr lies

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Unfortunately, reality doesn't magically change to confirm w/ your assertions. But by all means, I'd love to know the specific statute that says drug companies have free reign to kill or injure any1 just so long as they say so on a piece of paper.

Of course as the recent Bruesewitz v. Wyeth case shows, it's not me who's calling you a fucking liar, but the U.S. Supreme Court:

rescuepost(.)com/files/supreme­-court-bruesewitz(.)pdf

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

Pharma is hardly untouchable. Take the recent Tap, Allergen & Pfizer cases where federal prosecutors forced these companies to pay out $875 mil, $600 mil & $2.3 BILLION respectively...cause the govt is such good friends w/ pharma. In the Tap case over Lupron, the executive who blew the whistle received over a $110 mil. Talk about a financial incentive to blow the whistle on a scandal. The 6 Pfizer whistleblowers will share over a $102 million.

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

As a result, every company must view their own employees, customers & competitors as possible whistleblowers. So there’s huge financial incentive for non-compliant behavior to be discovered, & it’s a race to the courthouse. What about the current regulatory compliance policies? What are your specific objections to the Federal Anti-Kickback Law & Regulatory Safe Harbors or the industry self-regulating phrma code? What are your proposed amendments to improve the policies?

[michael0156]

@mjr256 A tactic typical of shills, mjr mis-states what I post, again. I never said a law allows drug companies free reign to kill or injure

Merck makes 13+ vaccines & many drugs. With Vioxx & Pargluva the FDA did not check Merck's data. Merck lied in the safety conclusions. Topol & Nissen exposed Merck's lies using the safety data Merck gave the FDA

Merck threatened both researchers

FDA refused to pull Vioxx & 45,000+ Americans died. Merck paid $4.5B to murder, kept $6.5B in profits

[mjr256]

@michael0156

You did indeed make such a claim. You explicitly stated drug companies are not held to any safety standards & that gov't along w/ vax court look the other way ignoring harms allegedly done by their products. If that's not saying the law allows drug companies free reign to kill or injure, I don't know what is. If even YOU don't believe the bullshit that you type, why should any1 else? Vioxx is not a vaccine. Please stop jumping all over the map & stick to ONE bullshit claim at a time

[michael0156]

mjr lies vax safety is constantly investigated. Once the drug company submits it's own safety data & the FDA approves it there are no more studies done unless the FDA is made aware of injuries a vaccine is causing that are not in the package insert

MMR package insert injuries include encephalitis, immune disorders, convulsions, gastrointestinal problems, meningitis & more. Rubella from MMR can be spread for 30 days after injection, but Merck "doesn't know" about MMR mumps or measles spreading

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Wow, you're getting more & more divorced from reality w/ every comment. Name a single vaccine for which no safety studies have been produced since its initial clinical trials. You really must think medical professionals are the biggest morons on Earth if you really believe that. Let's take MMR, since you brought it up. In less than 10 seconds, I was able to locate 186 separate studies concerning MMR safety on Pubmed alone, many are as recent as THIS YEAR, well after clinical trials.

[michael0156]

@mjr256 Clinical trials are done only by the drug manufacturer. You refer to epidemiology, the study of records. These are the shams, not science, drug companies rely on to "prove" vaccine safety. They do not investigate what causes vax side effects in kids

Every piece of epidemiology declaring vaccines are not associated with autism is a fraud. I've challenged you to stand by the 2 best "truthful" studies you can find. I will show they are frauds, wrong, irrelevant or too conflicted

[mjr256]

@michael0156

No duh. That hardly addresses my rebuttal to YOUR false claim that no independent safety studies are done after a vaccine's initial clinical trials. & despite being asked over a dozen times now, you've yet to provide a single shred of evidence that the 1000's of studies debunking your claims are even wrong (let alone deliberately cooked), nor have you presented any evidence backing up your claims that I am personally a "shill" for drug companies.

[bayanimills]

This is great!

This accurately depicts Nimrod's views.

[michael0156]

A simple challenge for shills to meet

Post the 2 best of ANY evidence that vax are safe & not correleated to autism. List lead authors conflicts conclusion sponsors

I will show they are frauds wrong or too conflicted

Why only the 2 best? 100s of studies & articles WEAKLY claim "no evidence found" or "lack of association" for a vax/autism link. Shills post fraud after fraud. The link is obvious, denying it delays true scientific study

If their 2 best are frauds, what do drug shills have?

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Love how every anti-vaxxer invents criminal accusations against every1 who disagrees w/ them w/o feeling any responsibility to back up the accusation w/ any evidence. It only demonstrates a contempt for intellectual honesty, as it did that for your predecessor, Joe McCarthy. There's 2,779 separate entries on vaccine efficacy & safety on Pubmed alone; knock yourself out. Now your turn. What is your absolute best case against vaccines?

[halleyscomet]

The profit on a singe vaccinatio­n is about 10 to 25 cents. The cost of a single measles case can be thousands of dollars. If "big pharma" really was determined to make people sick to profit from it, they'd be doing everything they could to NOT vaccinate.

[michael0156]

@halleyscomet - measles doesn't require hospitalization unless a child's immune system is impaired. If so, ANY bug "can cost 1000s of dollars". Such a child could be hospitalized by by the measles vaccine

Vax cause encephalitis, meningitis, seizures, allergies, autoimmunity (arthritis, blood disease etc) & lupus in mice. Definitely drug industry products making people sick... but most people don't get ill from vax

We should find those kids susceptible to vax damage BEFORE they are injected

[mjr256]

@michael0156

On the contrary, measles is one the greatest killer of infants in the world. Doctors in 1st world nations don't see it much anymore since mass vaccination but thanks to vaccine denialists, we're seeing far greater rates of child hospitalization due to measles than normal. And since you love single anecdotes above large epidemiological studies, here's just one example:

ht tp:// shotbyshot(dot)org/featured/ra­chelsstory

[michael0156]

@halleyscomet The profit margins on vaccine are HUGE & drug companies are always trying to cut costs by adding for-profit toxins, cheaper antigens & adjuvants. Also drug makers are not liable for injuries vax cause because of a 1986 law, The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. Back in the 1980s there was so many successful lawsuits against vax makers they demanded protection from being sued. Vaccines aren't subject to injury lawsuits. This makes them even more profitable

Stop using fiction

[mjr256]

@michael0156

& what is the profit margin on an MMR vaccine? Cite your source. You came so close to accurately giving the history of the NCVI Act but then you had to blow it by dishonestly asserting that most of the 80's tort litigation against the manufacturers was successful. Not true. Their problem was an abundance of frivolous lawsuits on top of the legitimate ones that are expected in any big business. Even frivolous lawsuits are expensive. Also manufacturers ARE liable for negligence.

[halleyscomet]

@michael0156 "The profit margins on vaccine are HUGE"

No, they're not. The per dose profit is tiny. It would be far more profitable for kids to GET measles, whooping cough and polio.

"adding for-profit toxins"

Really? What exactly is a "for-profit toxin" and how could adding it be cheaper than a bit more saline solution in the vial?

[rebelq1]

Aluminium and mercury proven to be safe? Yeah, right! Good one!

watch?v=zrIM2hwrLoc

Listen carefully to what he says after about 2:40 in the video!

[mjr256]

@rebelq1

As every reputable health organization on planet Earth will tell you, the human body ingests more aluminum every single day than that found in any vaccine, so that if it were as dangerous as Mr. Kennedy claims, we'd all be doomed from birth whether we vaccinated or not. Further, the ethylmercury used in some flu vaccines doesn't bioaccumulate. In large enough dosages, certainly both are harmful. In minute doses, like those found in vaccines, they're entirely safe.

[mjr256]

cont'd

Further, if you're going to make a case against vaccination, you should find a better source than a politician whose article on the subject has been completely disavowed by its publications as being a pack of deceitful lies: salon (.) com/about/inside_salon/2011/01­/16/dangerous_immunity/index (.) html

[rebelq1]

@mjr256

Yeah, right! Nice try though!

[michael0156]

mjr shilling again

The "Vaccine Injury Table" (google it) supported by FDA CDC & HRSA lists dozens of known injuries caused by vax including encephalitis, meningitis, seizures, auto immunity, arthritis... MANY more

Out of 1300 infants & kids who won cases for brain damage 83 were diagnosed with autism AFTER the brain injury. 5000 autism cases are pending in DC court (the only place you can sue)

Dr Bernadine Healy says "Vax may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research is not done"

[mjr256]

@michael0156

No1 claims vaccines don't cause any injuries. The scientific position is that serious injuries are rare & that the benefits far outweigh the risks. None of the risks linked w/ vaccines is autism & the fact that many plaintiffs win vaccine injury cases doesn't strengthen your conspiracy claims but undermines them. Vaccines are not perfectly safe & cars kill millions every year. So where's the outrage against all cars? Lastly, Ms. Healy's claims have been thoroughly debunked.

[michael0156]

mjr Again w/o evidence just lies & deceptions

2 out of 3 vax cases are denied, lawsuits must be brought in DC only, vax makers CANNOT be sued

He says "the fact that [kids] win vax injury cases... undermines [my conspiracy claims]"- What conspiracy? I have said vax mfg's manipulate data, lie, deliberately injure kids for profit. Many drug companies do this. Vioxx, Pargluva, Fosamax, Urabe strain of MMR- 100s of other profitable "conspiracies" killed 1000s. The same "people" kill/injure with vax

[mjr256]

@michael0156

Cite your source. Vaccine courts actually pay out more & faster than general personal injury cases. That's the whole reason vaccine court exists. But I'm loving how you think you can quite clearly hint at corruption but think you can avoid being identified as a grand conspiracy theorist simply by not using the word "conspiracy."

Then why do you think so many vax cases are denied? I can only think of 3 options:

1. Lost fair & square

2. Incompetence

3. Corruption

[stealthbadger]

Excellent. ^.^

[qtzlctl2012]

shitty james cameron film? this video sucks

[ShawnD1]

lol 100 hours on this topic. Working a standard 40 hour week, that's less than 3 weeks. A standard research study often takes months or years :D

[vistabet]

so transparent - a plant