Religious War on Science: Giordano Bruno -aZeroGodist

[abbesieyes]

Religion is merely a lie. Evil springs from all lies.

Religions are a veil over the valid, with priesthoods using metaphors to hide the valid and ply a trade on ignorant men. Man acting as wolf to man.

The corpus of Rome is still the most dangerous of priesthoods and continues it's murdering of supporters of the valid and innovators exploring validity to this day. The only difference between then and now...the use of multiple facades, proxies and legislations to shield her activities.

[Cissy2cute]

How can it not matter? In learning of the earth's history, we may find the clues that can help us solve its current pressing problems.

Science and religion are still opposed, with the latter continuing to fight against and debase the advancement of scientific thought.

Religion IS evil. Bet Bruno is SO happy about the apology. Another whitewash job courtesy of the Catholic Church. That his statue is facing the Vatican is the ultimate victory. He forever bravely faces his accusers.

[abbesieyes]

Global warming is a fraud...a distractor among many distractors.

[RetSquid]

Why did you block me from your channel?

Don't you have any intelligent response?

[abbesieyes]

As you apply nothing but the limited hangouts, response is useless. You can attempt to condition to error all you like, just don't expect my help in spreading the lie.

No individual of any ability at all holds the 16th as properly ratified. Any supportive of it are traitors, especially retired quids who should know better.

[abbesieyes]

*squids

[RetSquid]

As I proved both of your points wrong, you run and hide.

Every person of above average intelligence would know it's impossible for the 16th to NOT have been ratified. Only a lunatic fringe believes that.

Also, you might want to actually look up the definition of 'traitor'.

[abbesieyes]

I know the definition.  And you fit it to a tee.

[abbesieyes]

"So fearful were the Athenians of any attempt to establish a tyranny or an oligarchy, that any person who conspired for such purpose, or any person who held an office under a government which had overthrown the constitution, might be slain with impunity. Every citizen indeed was under an obligation to kill such a person, and for so doing was entitled by law to honours and rewards." Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities.

The old Greeks, quite aware...as were our Founders.

[RetSquid]

Obviously, you don't know what the definition is in America.

Section 3 - Treason Note

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

And you still deny that I answered your questions. And you think you are a Christian?? Read #9 again.....

[abbesieyes]

Christianity is not religiosity.  One only has two cheeks to turn. Then....

Your actions on 'conditioning tube' fall under 'levying war against them'...just so you know. Work for Rome, get lumped in with them.

And yes, I deny you answered the questions in any valid manner...as the answers provided are Romes limited hangout, ex post facto.

[RetSquid]

Nice job on the babble.

Your opinion of the truth does not effect the truth.

I deny that you are a Christian in any valid manner. Christians do not lie as a matter of course.

[abbesieyes]

Nice job on the tools of sophistry.

I'm not lying at all, Roman shill.

And I have done the work, so I don't base anything on mere opinion. It'll all come out in the wash, so to speak.

[RetSquid]

"I'm not lying at all, Roman shill"

Two lies for the price of one.

You deny that I gave you the legal definition of income and the income tax law. Two more lies.

Why do people who claim to be Christians bring so much discredit to the Body of Christ?

[abbesieyes]

Nope...to all the crap you just spewed.

And you surely don't know the Body of Christ. Said has nothing to do with 'Christianity', as sold by any 'religion'.

Nice try.

[RetSquid]

I am part of the Body of Christ, you may be, I don't know, but you are, you discredit Christ with your lies, not a very good witness for the Gospel.

[abbesieyes]

You do not understand the terms 'Body of Christ', nor 'Gospel'.

And for a sophist to contend that I discredit the living Christ? Hilarious.

[RetSquid]

'Body of Christ' = All Christians (followers of Christ)

Gospel = The Good News (Jesus is the Christ /John 3:16)

By claiming to be Christian and then lying about things you discredit all Christians A/K/A "the Body of Christ".

[abbesieyes]

Nope to both. Both deal with valid philos and logos...and their constructs.

And the Aware do not follow...they internalize the living Christ.

[RetSquid]

"Nope to both"

So you agree that you are not a Christian, huh?

'Valid philos and logos"

"Philos" is not a word and Logos is God.

Christians are those who follow Jesus.

The Aware?

"Adolescent Wellness through Access to Resources to Education"???

Try again..and pay your income tax on your earnings.

[abbesieyes]

Nope, I'm a valid Christian...in that I embody the living Christ. Christianity is not Religiosity.

Philos and Logos are both words...and Logos is not God.

Christians are those who internalize the Living Christ, not follow Jesus.

RetSquid...just another ignorant Roman Shill on ConditioningTube.

[RetSquid]

LOGOS is God, Philos is not a word.

A Christian, by definition, is a follower of Christ.

As for the rest of your name calling, you are 4-0.

[abbesieyes]

Philos - loving, dear.

Logos - word.

A Christian, by proper definition, is one who crucifies the world, using the Cornerstone.

As for your ignorance...ongoing and ever once-born. Next time, buy both a decent dictionary...and get a better paying job than shilling for Rome.

[RetSquid]

Get real:

A Christian, by definition, is a follower of Christ, nothing more.

And you are still lying.

You don't crucify anything on or with a Cornerstone, you build with one, in this case, the Church.

And where did you get a definition for "philos' ?

[abbesieyes]

As I said...buy a valid dictionary.

We're done.

[RetSquid]

Did you write that dictionary?

[xlioilx]

Evil is when harm is done to humanity.

Religion is the ultimate Evil

[abbesieyes]

Yes and No.

'Religion' is used to disguise validity, however true philosophy (that which may be mathematically or geometrically proofed) reveals reality.

Philosophies and sciences that promote awareness are entirely valid. Those that strive to hide it, via oppression and murder (to the benefit of a few) are entirely invalid.

[NeXcE]

philosophy that can be mathematically or geometrically proved?

[abbesieyes]

Yes NeXce.

"Let no man ignorant of geometry enter here." Inscribed above the door to Plato's Academy in Athens.

[goobymoogy]

His contribution to science is immense. He stood up to an oppressive theocracy, against ingorance and superstition. People think they are brave going on Youtube to talk about atheism. Just look at what this guy had to suffer. Christians shouldn't wonder why atheists are so bold and sometimes obnoxious. We are free to state our viewpoints without being imprisoned or killed. We can see that it wasn't always this way. Nothing can stop us now from speaking our mind. Science will continue to progress

[abbesieyes]

Inquisition and Counter Reformation continue to this very day, under better cover and pretense. It has been taken global.

Best look at the current versions of the german 'enabling acts' in supposedly free countries and note that someone has been trying (for generations now) to turn the clock back.

[abbesieyes]

While Bruno was a intellectual giant for his time, he was also following the lead of others within the body of the Roman Catholic Orders who were questioning base principles and even Papal refusal to follow said.

What got him a metal spike through the jaw prior to burning was not, as some surmise, his insights into the cosmos...as much as his realization that the Egyptian position on cosmology and other issues was more valid. He articulated this, and became the target of a coverup.

[abbesieyes]

In other words...he stubled upon the real basis of the supposedly 'Roman Catholic Church' and its 'keys'.

[aZeroGodist]

Thanks for the comment, I didn't see that anywhere when researching Bruno, will look it up.

[abbesieyes]

The issue regarding his mentioning of the Egyptian system was only mentioned as an aside in what I've read of Bruno. If I can locate the link, I'll post it for you.

If you delve deeper into what some of the true giants of thought were prior to Bruno (folks like William of Ockham, Abelard, etc.) you will find direct confrontations with Popery, Aquinas and his ilk (sophists)...and thus multiple incidents of silencing, 'house arrest', excommunication and death by sudden illness.

[abbesieyes]

You may also wish to look up Roger Bacon and the supposed 'Voynich Manuscript'.

While this document is currently being discounted by some as being a fraud, I am not so sure. You will likely note from some of the basic illustrations that he came to some of the same conclusions as Bruno, far earlier. As it was found in a former Jesuit location, I give it some weight. They did not spend time on, or hide, small issues.

Reality does have a nasty habit of becoming self evident...lol.

[abbesieyes]

Finally (for I don't want to act the hog), we must relate Bruno to the 'church' from which he came...as those far earlier than he ascribed to the theory of a sun centered system, a moving earth, and a cosmos of planets. The best of the Greeks knew it, as did the Egyptians, as did the Vedic peoples of the Indian subcontinent.

[aZeroGodist]

Thats true, even the ancient celts had a good grasp of the night sky, Earth-sun relationship, creating calenders such as Newgrange.

[abbesieyes]

Yes they did. As a matter of fact, the holy cross is the symbolic remnant of a merkhet, a staff of knowing, that was used for geodetic measuring and positioning. If you go to my favorites and click on quadtabulaquests video about horus, I believe I linked to a site that discusses it.

If you are a fan of daily calends rather than intra-day, you might investigate the Latvian, which is quite ancient and unique...and all the more valid in my view.

[abbesieyes]

Here is a good link, the old one is not working...crichtonmiller com / Celtic%20Cross . htm

Add the w's and the dot, get rid of all the spaces. ;P

[Arschbit]

dear jussts,

thanks for your lovely comment.

I think you did not get the point. The chuch was responsible for protecting a worldview.Whether you like this worldview or not is absolutely irrelevant,and I don´t want to justify the church's methods in protecting the "truth" but she had to react.And she did. Try to think for yourself,before creating a redicoulous and too emotional view on history.And, by the way, see the church as a society, not as an Institution. Greetings from Germany!

[aZeroGodist]

@Arsch: so your saying the church was right in protecting "their truth" yourQoute "security of the system" ??

The catholic inguest was about making one catholic religion as there was many sects, and Rome was not in control.

[Arschbit]

Well, the church's Job always was (and is) to protect this worldview.

And as a non liberal person I would say she did it not very good, but at least she did it. Jesus Christ didn't bring peace at all, he brought the sword, which many of today's Flower-Power Christians forget too fast.

This whole "story" ,as you highly theological educated persons would call it, is not just about peace or good feelings.

Anyway

[Arschbit]

giordano bruno was an idiot, he was insane

[aZeroGodist]

I don't understand you, are you saying Bruno was wrong in believing that the Earth

a) revolves.

b) orbits the sun.

When the church said otherwise, I think it is clear as to which was insane and the insanity still continues even today.

[Arschbit]

are you really so naive to assume the church didn´t know the earth was not flat?The church was the only "Institution" which could really affort buying astronomical devices.

All went to fast, they had to break the speed down to asure the security of the system.

Bruno was absolutely unpredictable, arrogant and ignorant. He was not burned because of his his "teachings" which,by the way, changed from "month to month". He was burned for his stubborness not to understand what his teachings could do.

[jussts]

So the church can burn you if you're stubborn... that's good to know.

PS: You're an idiot, Arschbit... any chance you can get yourself burned at the stake for that?

[thejubebox]

he was a fucking genius, he invented photographic memory you must be the idiot here, check out iqrenaissance. com

[Arschbit]

dear jubebox,

I never doubted the intellectual potential of a Giordano Bruno!

[windham666]

bruno is in the pantheist hall of fame - not so sure about morrison! *****

[pod054321]

born -1585

ordained priest -1572

huh?

how is one ordained 13 years before being born?

..now i'll watch past the fist 10 seconds

[aZeroGodist]

Thanks Typo-error: born 1548, he would of been 15 at time of death, didn't see it.

[NemoUtopian]

moving.yet another reminder of why fundamentalist thought should never hold the reigns of power.

[aZeroGodist]

If he was a Heretic, why did they have to kill him in such a manner, wouldn't he of been going to hell to be tortured, but god & the devil punishment wasn't enough was it, he had to be murdered inhumanly by the men of the church.

O and when Pope JohnII apologized for his death was he automatically taken from hell and put into heaven??

Just one example of the religious war on science......more to come.

O I ment to say "Sorry about that old chap" 4:24