@mrjohnw93 but the thing is that the general was willing to give 10 VC for every american. Plus it doesn't matter how many get killed, its as much territory you can capture, ask sun tzu
@TheCaptainjuicy That's the problem that made the american public really despise the war, the american battle plan was less about capturing land than it was about inflicting casualties. Marines would storm a hill just to kill the VC entrenched in it, and then just leave the hill unoccupied. Maybe this strategy contributed to the loss in vietnam.
The IRA are some of the most inspirational Crazy sons of bitches out there. There way of guerilla warfare is inspirational. Guerilla warfare wins all the time. The United states has 1 million troops and the best tech but the Viet cong and taliban have fucked them up real badly. If we ever plan to stop these corporate ass holes then we need to form a Guerilla warfare just as amazing as IRA. Micheal Collins is fucking BOSS
@holsterboy166 Actually it's estimated that the north did. Although the south had a slightly higher casualty rate, the north had a much larger army, and so their total number of casualties was significantly higher. Granted, the records from this period are kind of shady.
I watched people from Dublin being intereviewed about the queen coming and they welcomed it, I was near sick. Any southerners reading this who agree or condemn the Provisional IRA you are an absolute disgrace to our proud Irish history that these brave men fought and died for.
Connolly, Pearse, Collins..ect would be turning in their graves.
I'm American, but my role model isn't some sports star or Abe Lincoln, but Michael Collins, he showed everybody that nobody can stop you from achieveing something. No person can stand in your way, no empire can stand in your way.
like the ira today lots of people call them terrorists but what some people forget the irish goverment let the cathloics up the north down so who steped in to deffend them the ira
only the brits call them terrorists but who is the invading force there fore who is the real terroists?
Al Queda are not terrorists as such, just let you know, what the Al Queda was in the 70s fought to keep the Taliban and the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The US then give weapons and suplies to Al Queda, in the 90s the CIA paid Osama lots of money to help the US in Serbia.
If Osama was paid, armed and suplied by the US why would he send planes into the WTC?
Osama Bin Laden was paid by the Saudis to direct the attention of his radical islamists away from the Kingdom. OBL asked the Saudi Royals to let him defend the Kingdom when Saddam invaded Kuwait and he was denied.
The things you say about US & al Qaeda collusion are simply untrue. AQ didn't exist in the 70's, it wasn't founded until 1988.
You say they "fought to keep the Taliban and the Soviets out of Afghanistan" in the 70's.
The Soviets didn't invade until 1979, there wasn't any major mujhideen movement in the country until then. The US didn't arm the Afghan Muj until the early 80's.
Osama had plenty of his own money and no interest in working with the Americans. Lots of people in the media make a big deal out of "the CIA armed OBL" but there's very little evidence behind that claim.
@Looter246 The people who formed Al-Qaeda were a part of the Mujaheddin. They were funded by the US to fight Soviet occupation and later formed Al-Qaeda. The US was quite aware of the extremist tendencies of the Mujaheddin.
The people who formed AQ were Arabs, Binladen and Zawahiri. The majority of the US aid was meant for the Afghan mujhideen but Pakistan's ISI really controlled who got what. There were some Arabs in the muj, including OBL.
But Osama had plenty of his own money, and Saudi money .He's never had a cozy relationship with the US.
Yes, he has always had his own money and is the primary person funding Al-Qaeda, but the US did train him and members of the Mujaheddin that are now Al-Qaeda.
There's "information" and then there's evidence. I was just curious where exactly you go that information.
And I have done some research on the subject online. I've also read some books written by or with the help of key individuals involved with arming the Muj. But I haven't seen anything that would indicate that OBL was ever trained by the US. All the evidence seems be that he has always been fiercely anti-American throughout his adult life.
He certainly has been fiercely anti-american, but fighting back against the Soviet occupation took priority at the time. His anti-americanism is the reason he denounced his home nation of Saudi Arabia.
I think it's folklore. It makes for a good story, but nobody has ever placed Bin Laden at any kind of training camp for the Muj operated by the CIA or US government.
The US armed Hekmatyar, who was cozy with Arabs at the time. But many of the Arabs that went to fight the Soviets were loners, some released from the jails and mental institutions of Arab counties with the hopes that they would die fighting the jihad and never be seen again. The role of the Arabs in the Soviet jihad was minor
Folklore? Did you not even bother looking it up? There is a good bit of documented information. It wasn't like the US government handed him personally some check, but he and what would become Al-Qaeda received funding and training.
The claim had been made many times. I've done my research. Coll, Bergen, Bearden, Wright, etc You seen reluctant to share your sources.
Bin Laden never met with any CIA officials so I don't think it's correct to say he was trained by the US.
Were there some Arabs fighting alongside the Afghans? Yes. Did they receive money and arms provided by the US? Most likely. But Pakistan's ISI controlled the distribution.
This is the only thing that al Qaeda and the US govt. agree on.
then again i watched it in grd12 history class and w my teacher being irish himself.... oooooh man he was like screaming at the screen which got the rest of the class boiling too. lol my brit friend was scared for her life
Che Guevara once wroted that you can't run a guerrilla warfare if you don't have the peasants on your side, and i guess that's the same with your point of wiew.
Its not easy conducting guerrilla warfare today..... it's most about urban guerrilla or if you preffer - terorism, thats exactly how Collins fought against the British...
Thanks very much. You're right about Che, its the most important part for guerrilla warfare. Which is why guerilla's, insurgents, freedom fighters, terrorists, whatever the label, will always win in the end against oppressors
I would essentially agree with that. Although in Ireland's case the revolt had been simmering for hundreds of years. Even Irish of direct British descent and with British titles had strong sympathy of the Republican Movement.
Against foreign oppressors, yes. As soon as it becomes too expensive to keep the pressure up, they'll cut losses and run. This doesn't work against regimes who still have political strength and don't have a line of retreat.
@Rw7451 You can't beat an idea so they've already won. How can America win if the people hate them and like the Taliban more. It's because America have caused more trouble
ahh ever so true guerilla warfare is only a good idea if you are willing to accept that you are not as strong as your adversary. like the afghan fighters vs the soviet army sure the soviets can win every battle but they'll lose in the end.
My understanding of terrorism is that it is a tactic which uses terror to attempt to achieve a political goal -- innocent lives are fair game as well as civilian facilities or businesses.
However, guerilla tactics are, in my opinion, unconventional warfare methods against specific military, police, occupying forces, factions, leadership, governmental sites, etc.
I could be incorrect.
Of course, whoever has the power makes defines the rules.
@theMacedonianWarior The problem was Che forgot that rule while operating in Boliva. His group made no real efforts to win over the people and even the Communist party in that nation didn't want him there. In the end the people told the Bolivan Army where he was and he ended up getting executed. Moreover, the natives there didn't always speak Spanish and the ruler at the time spoke the native languages, not Che or his followers, something to think about.
The turf scene is my favorie today. Get the barby going and the next time you have a bunch of knobheads disturbing your peace go out with a hot skewer and threathen to stick it where the sun dont shine. You will see a better reaction than calling the old bill! Thank you mick collins!
there a good story when Michael and Churchill were having a meeting about the Anglo-Irish Treaty and Michael said he disliked the fact that the British had put a 4,000 pound prize on his head churchill at this pulled a fame off the wall and show it to Collin it was a poster issue by the boes offering 60 pounds for churchill's capture and he said 'well your worth more the I was'
He was Irish, so the answer is probably...yes. To quote Tommy Tiernan "The English language is a brick wall between you and me and 'fuck' is my chisel."
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@mrjohnw93 but the thing is that the general was willing to give 10 VC for every american. Plus it doesn't matter how many get killed, its as much territory you can capture, ask sun tzu
TheCaptainjuicy 1 month ago
@TheCaptainjuicy That's the problem that made the american public really despise the war, the american battle plan was less about capturing land than it was about inflicting casualties. Marines would storm a hill just to kill the VC entrenched in it, and then just leave the hill unoccupied. Maybe this strategy contributed to the loss in vietnam.
MrJohnw93 2 weeks ago
The IRA are some of the most inspirational Crazy sons of bitches out there. There way of guerilla warfare is inspirational. Guerilla warfare wins all the time. The United states has 1 million troops and the best tech but the Viet cong and taliban have fucked them up real badly. If we ever plan to stop these corporate ass holes then we need to form a Guerilla warfare just as amazing as IRA. Micheal Collins is fucking BOSS
TheCaptainjuicy 3 months ago
@TheCaptainjuicy Although the US did lose the vietname war, about 60,000 americans were killed, whereas about 1,000,000 north vietnamese were killed.
MrJohnw93 1 month ago
@MrJohnw93 Riiiight.I'm sure the Yankee's really suffered more casualties than the Rebels in the civil war too,right?LMAO
holsterboy166 2 weeks ago
@holsterboy166 Actually it's estimated that the north did. Although the south had a slightly higher casualty rate, the north had a much larger army, and so their total number of casualties was significantly higher. Granted, the records from this period are kind of shady.
MrJohnw93 2 weeks ago
This needs to be recited at the wall street protest...
theausomeguy 4 months ago 3
Brendan Gleeson makes a better Michael Collins then Liam Nelson, Brendan's got Michael collin's shape and build :P
ktockly 4 months ago
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Brady2k10 5 months ago
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Brady2k10 5 months ago
what is this shite?????????????
garethella 7 months ago
Watch Che: Part One; Che: Part Two. There's a lot of Guerrilla Warfare elements demonstrated...
chris96kalonji 8 months ago
people nowdays arent as brave to stand to the brithish army,,,if the ira kept fight in flying colums ireland wud be 100% free off britain,..
ira3126 9 months ago
I watched people from Dublin being intereviewed about the queen coming and they welcomed it, I was near sick. Any southerners reading this who agree or condemn the Provisional IRA you are an absolute disgrace to our proud Irish history that these brave men fought and died for.
Connolly, Pearse, Collins..ect would be turning in their graves.
BlockedParty 9 months ago
what movie is this? looks interesting
ANTI4367 9 months ago
@ANTI4367 it's called michael collins.
mrfishsticklover 8 months ago
Maybe the intelligence agency should learn from micheal collins. Osama was just 1 man..
solidus927 9 months ago
Brilliant.
HetaliaFanHawaii 10 months ago
Do you want to know why dev wasn't shot?. It was because he was an American.
TheGamersEnjoyment 10 months ago
i think we all know ..not to vote for david norris
DurtDurty 1 year ago
Awesome video mate.
maneatingleprechaun 1 year ago
Inivative
Mistafixa101 1 year ago
FUCKIN DEADLEH!!!
itsallgoodfamz 1 year ago
WOLVERINES!!!.....sorry....i had to say that.
JPacheco91 1 year ago
@JPacheco91 Haha, heck yea!
Kylef7735 1 year ago
I love this film!, I love being irish!. The day we let eachother fight amongst outselves, is the day that people like micheal collins died in VEIN!
DKC1011 1 year ago
I'm American, but my role model isn't some sports star or Abe Lincoln, but Michael Collins, he showed everybody that nobody can stop you from achieveing something. No person can stand in your way, no empire can stand in your way.
Thrawn6211 1 year ago 3
MICHAEL COLLINS!!! IRA!!! Great movie!
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StrategistofWar 1 year ago
what film is this
CaptinCam0 1 year ago
@CaptinCam0
"Michael Collins" directed by Neil Jordan, released in 1996 i think. Good Movie.
Dewie101 1 year ago
"i want each one of them to capture ten more."
those were the days. republican is a dirty word now. shame on us.
Frankieireland 1 year ago
what is it now
MrMalley666 1 year ago
Michael Collins is considered the Father of modern urban guerilla warfare,.
gollywan 1 year ago
why dont we start another rebelion we all know its on everyones mind ;;;;;;;;; DRIVE OUT THE ENGLISH PROTESTANT
Bullets765 2 years ago
Turf is f*ckin deadly
joetheanglo 2 years ago
Long live the Real IRA! Onwards to freedom!
Remedysback 2 years ago
like the ira today lots of people call them terrorists but what some people forget the irish goverment let the cathloics up the north down so who steped in to deffend them the ira
only the brits call them terrorists but who is the invading force there fore who is the real terroists?
ill let you think about that.
thenurneyboyz 2 years ago 4
Al Queda are not terrorists as such, just let you know, what the Al Queda was in the 70s fought to keep the Taliban and the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The US then give weapons and suplies to Al Queda, in the 90s the CIA paid Osama lots of money to help the US in Serbia.
If Osama was paid, armed and suplied by the US why would he send planes into the WTC?
GuevaraismforUK 2 years ago
Because we're still infidels, and we've been bitten in the ass by people we've armed before (like Iran and Saddam)
AmericanArchon 2 years ago
Osama Bin Laden was paid by the Saudis to direct the attention of his radical islamists away from the Kingdom. OBL asked the Saudi Royals to let him defend the Kingdom when Saddam invaded Kuwait and he was denied.
The things you say about US & al Qaeda collusion are simply untrue. AQ didn't exist in the 70's, it wasn't founded until 1988.
Looter246 2 years ago
I know it didn't exist in the 70s but an organization was run by alot of the same people in the 70s
GuevaraismforUK 2 years ago
Which people?
Looter246 2 years ago
Osama and his henchmen
GuevaraismforUK 2 years ago
What organization was that?
You say they "fought to keep the Taliban and the Soviets out of Afghanistan" in the 70's.
The Soviets didn't invade until 1979, there wasn't any major mujhideen movement in the country until then. The US didn't arm the Afghan Muj until the early 80's.
Osama had plenty of his own money and no interest in working with the Americans. Lots of people in the media make a big deal out of "the CIA armed OBL" but there's very little evidence behind that claim.
Looter246 2 years ago
@Looter246 The people who formed Al-Qaeda were a part of the Mujaheddin. They were funded by the US to fight Soviet occupation and later formed Al-Qaeda. The US was quite aware of the extremist tendencies of the Mujaheddin.
Tsukae 2 years ago
The people who formed AQ were Arabs, Binladen and Zawahiri. The majority of the US aid was meant for the Afghan mujhideen but Pakistan's ISI really controlled who got what. There were some Arabs in the muj, including OBL.
But Osama had plenty of his own money, and Saudi money .He's never had a cozy relationship with the US.
Looter246 2 years ago
Yes, he has always had his own money and is the primary person funding Al-Qaeda, but the US did train him and members of the Mujaheddin that are now Al-Qaeda.
Tsukae 2 years ago
I'd like to know where you got your information from that the US trained Osama Bin Laden.
Looter246 2 years ago
You should be able to find a vast amount of information about it if you look it up on google.
Tsukae 2 years ago
There's "information" and then there's evidence. I was just curious where exactly you go that information.
And I have done some research on the subject online. I've also read some books written by or with the help of key individuals involved with arming the Muj. But I haven't seen anything that would indicate that OBL was ever trained by the US. All the evidence seems be that he has always been fiercely anti-American throughout his adult life.
Looter246 2 years ago
He certainly has been fiercely anti-american, but fighting back against the Soviet occupation took priority at the time. His anti-americanism is the reason he denounced his home nation of Saudi Arabia.
Tsukae 2 years ago
I think it's folklore. It makes for a good story, but nobody has ever placed Bin Laden at any kind of training camp for the Muj operated by the CIA or US government.
The US armed Hekmatyar, who was cozy with Arabs at the time. But many of the Arabs that went to fight the Soviets were loners, some released from the jails and mental institutions of Arab counties with the hopes that they would die fighting the jihad and never be seen again. The role of the Arabs in the Soviet jihad was minor
Looter246 2 years ago
Folklore? Did you not even bother looking it up? There is a good bit of documented information. It wasn't like the US government handed him personally some check, but he and what would become Al-Qaeda received funding and training.
Tsukae 2 years ago
The claim had been made many times. I've done my research. Coll, Bergen, Bearden, Wright, etc You seen reluctant to share your sources.
Bin Laden never met with any CIA officials so I don't think it's correct to say he was trained by the US.
Were there some Arabs fighting alongside the Afghans? Yes. Did they receive money and arms provided by the US? Most likely. But Pakistan's ISI controlled the distribution.
This is the only thing that al Qaeda and the US govt. agree on.
Looter246 2 years ago
"i'll make a fucking army out o' ye if it's the last thing I do"
best line ever! =D
AmericanArchon 2 years ago 19
I'm sure Al Qaeda were taking note - Terrorism at its most effective indeed...
basch2020 2 years ago
Its "Terrorism" when a sovereign people fight back against a criminal tyranny? you've been brainwashed
tf8252 2 years ago 12
plus, no targeting of civilians was mentioned
AmericanArchon 2 years ago
The tactics that Collins employed were also used by just about every rebellion and terrorist group of the 20th century; not just Al Queda.
Bystandah 2 years ago
good thing they don't have local support
AmericanArchon 2 years ago
@basch2020 faggot
holsterboy166 1 month ago
Tiocfaidh Ar La - God Bless The Island of Ireland - No Surrender !!!
XSanQuentinX 2 years ago
Was that Liam Nelson?
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago 6
Certainly was
TehCheese 2 years ago
@CrystalHunter1989
not that it's important but his last name is neeson
tubevideoguy762 8 months ago
must be a pretty sweet movie... nevr personnaly seen it b4
iHaveHate4All 2 years ago
the movie is incredible...
then again i watched it in grd12 history class and w my teacher being irish himself.... oooooh man he was like screaming at the screen which got the rest of the class boiling too. lol my brit friend was scared for her life
blckbooty 2 years ago
Michael Collins was a true Irish hero.
BoiJoe94 2 years ago 4
real ira till i die!!!!!
Skullzer212 2 years ago
Che Guevara once wroted that you can't run a guerrilla warfare if you don't have the peasants on your side, and i guess that's the same with your point of wiew.
Its not easy conducting guerrilla warfare today..... it's most about urban guerrilla or if you preffer - terorism, thats exactly how Collins fought against the British...
Thank you for the instructive video! :-)
theMacedonianWarior 2 years ago 7
Also people are more lazy and scared to do what is necessary.
Joey6029 2 years ago 4
Thanks very much. You're right about Che, its the most important part for guerrilla warfare. Which is why guerilla's, insurgents, freedom fighters, terrorists, whatever the label, will always win in the end against oppressors
TehCheese 2 years ago 5
not always. if you fight a non-tyrannical government, and they get smart, they'll focus on hearts&minds and just grind your movement into dust
the people already have to be getting fucked by the government, with no end in sight, for anything serious to succeed
sureshot649 2 years ago
I would essentially agree with that. Although in Ireland's case the revolt had been simmering for hundreds of years. Even Irish of direct British descent and with British titles had strong sympathy of the Republican Movement.
jamesyireland 2 years ago
@TehCheese
Against foreign oppressors, yes. As soon as it becomes too expensive to keep the pressure up, they'll cut losses and run. This doesn't work against regimes who still have political strength and don't have a line of retreat.
bigfootape 1 year ago
@TehCheese It's also why the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have won
RedZHunter 1 year ago
@RedZHunter
AQ and Tali are far from winning. They haven't even began the first step to winning = coming out their little cave.
Rw7451 1 year ago
@Rw7451 You can't beat an idea so they've already won. How can America win if the people hate them and like the Taliban more. It's because America have caused more trouble
RedZHunter 1 year ago
@TehCheese Or be beaten pitifully by Americans "liberating" them.
NewtMcNED 1 year ago
@TehCheese
No conventional army has ever beat a guerilla force.
BlockedParty 9 months ago
@BlockedParty
ahh ever so true guerilla warfare is only a good idea if you are willing to accept that you are not as strong as your adversary. like the afghan fighters vs the soviet army sure the soviets can win every battle but they'll lose in the end.
tubevideoguy762 8 months ago
@BlockedParty Then what about the Indian Wars? Or were the Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho, etc. a conventional army. now?
bgdancer100 7 months ago
@TehCheese He got it from Mao?
pantslizard 7 months ago
My understanding of terrorism is that it is a tactic which uses terror to attempt to achieve a political goal -- innocent lives are fair game as well as civilian facilities or businesses.
However, guerilla tactics are, in my opinion, unconventional warfare methods against specific military, police, occupying forces, factions, leadership, governmental sites, etc.
I could be incorrect.
Of course, whoever has the power makes defines the rules.
RodCornholio 2 years ago
@theMacedonianWarior The problem was Che forgot that rule while operating in Boliva. His group made no real efforts to win over the people and even the Communist party in that nation didn't want him there. In the end the people told the Bolivan Army where he was and he ended up getting executed. Moreover, the natives there didn't always speak Spanish and the ruler at the time spoke the native languages, not Che or his followers, something to think about.
schizoidboy 1 year ago
The turf scene is my favorie today. Get the barby going and the next time you have a bunch of knobheads disturbing your peace go out with a hot skewer and threathen to stick it where the sun dont shine. You will see a better reaction than calling the old bill! Thank you mick collins!
adminelf 2 years ago
Well, that and "Go easy on the riddling."
typacsk 2 years ago
The turf scene is one of my favorites in the movie.
typacsk 2 years ago
Top o' the mornin' to ya!
djkgjknreloaded 2 years ago
there a good story when Michael and Churchill were having a meeting about the Anglo-Irish Treaty and Michael said he disliked the fact that the British had put a 4,000 pound prize on his head churchill at this pulled a fame off the wall and show it to Collin it was a poster issue by the boes offering 60 pounds for churchill's capture and he said 'well your worth more the I was'
robertrulebirtannia 2 years ago 4
was M.C with the Free staters during the civil war?
donaghbullmurphy 2 years ago
He was yeah
TehCheese 2 years ago
Did Michael collins really swear that much ?
steveN111333 3 years ago
He was Irish, so the answer is probably...yes. To quote Tommy Tiernan "The English language is a brick wall between you and me and 'fuck' is my chisel."
TehCheese 3 years ago
Nice video TehCheese!
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Thanks very much, although more credit to Neil Jordan and the crowd behind the film. I only edited this short hash together
TehCheese 2 years ago
nice...
GaarasFlameFlower 2 years ago
To all respected Comrades:
Post this date on your calendars! April 6, 2009 there will be a GENERAL STRIKE against Mubarak capitalistic dictatorship. All Comrades world wide, let's join in our struggle to spread the news everywhere! Encourage the people to join the strike! Organize a protest in front of the egyptian Embassy! What ever you can do, JUST DO IT! Spread this message now! We must be able to count on each other and support one another! Now is the time! NOW IS OUR CHANCE!
ceaser630 3 years ago
whats the name of this movie?
195Barracuda 3 years ago
The film is Michael Collins by director Neil Jordan. Be careful of the bias in it though
TehCheese 3 years ago
FREEDOM FIGHTERS
1916supermc 3 years ago 4
Jaysus lads its Christmas
TheREALSisko 3 years ago 12