WOW....how dare you bunch of psycho's take the piss out of suicide and depression? What a utterly despicable act. Suicide rates in the UK are going through the roof and you lot think its all a big joke? You people disgust me to the core!
Are you morons aware that more British troops have died by taking their own lives in the last 10yrs than have died in action? You sick fuckers should be really ashamed of yourselves!!!
You can read the book HOMEOPATHY CURES ALLOPATHY DOCTORS. In the book an Allopathy doctor and surgeon details how he cured many Allopathy doctors with Homeopathy medicines.
by the way i heard from a homeopath that homeopathy is all about symptomatic treatment. If you dont treat the cause of the disease (like killing the infectious agent in an infection) then how could one expect good results from homeopathy?
@SHRINIDHIKULKARNI I heard something that makes sense. Homeopathic 'doctors' take the time to talk and listen to patients. This makes them feel a lot better and help them recover from their mostly meaningless pains.
all the guys who are telling homeopathy works, its just because either they are homeopathic doctors or patients of homeopathy. No one wants to be proved stupid in the public. by the way belladonna causing constipation, isnt it a side effect of a drug?
This happening is for themselves their own ego. Let them say what they think is their truth. There is no wrong in what they are saying or doing out of their experience. I just say, more and more people will still go to a Homeopath when everything else have failed. But, why does these people use time and energy, like James randi, on something that you are absolutely free to chose or not. I know things that cost money that can be dangerous. If homeopathy does not work or can´t be dangerous...
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Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
Nano-medicine is building an insulin pump the size of a fingernail that will deliver physiological amounts of insulin into the body, effectively replacing damaged pancreatic cells. Homeopathy is diluting a substance to the point that you'd be unbelievably lucky to get a single molecule of anything that will do anything whatsoever, and then diluting it a bit more.
Pray tell me, what has homeopathy got to do with anything that could be described as 'nano'?
You homeopathy-deniers are so naive, of course you didn’t die of become ill from the overdose. The natural remedy only cures, it doesn’t harm the patient. That’s how the magic unicorn tears that are inside the pill works!! You idiots!!
@exposefraud That wasn't a debate, that was you posing two questions that have very complex answers and treating them as rhetorical. That was an argument stampede by you.
@cjeam9199 May I suggest that skeptics have nothing to gain from exposing the fraud that is homeopathy, other than the satisfaction that people will save their hard earned money.
May I also suggest that homeopathy is BIG business with the loss of billions of dollars should the scam come to an end.
In the UK a major pharmacy retail chain has admitted that the homeopathic products they sell do nothing at all. They only sell the products because "...the public wants to buy them".
Obviously why they didn't commit ritualistic suicide is because they did it so many times. This ofcourse increased the dose and decreased the effect! /sarc
I hope that I will continue to have the freedom to never be harmed again, by antibiotics; thanks to my Cambridge graduated GP, who prescribed me with: Belladonna, when I had a nasty bout of mastitis. I also saved my abscessed tooth-thanks to homeopathy!
PSEUDOskepticphonies(PSP's) are also clueless about chronic diseases. How it progress in the human body and how it regresses.
PSP's only know how to babble about their flat-earth religious dogma "there's nothing in it therefore it can't possibly work", ignoring the scientific evidence base for Homeopathy provided by 3 Nobel Laureate scientists in chemistry, physics, physiology & medicine, material scientists and clinical oncologists.
The cure of chronic diseases is Homeopathy's forte.
Its this simple. If you have a weak mind and are easily fooled then homeopathy may work out just fine for you because of the placebo effect. If you know that homeopathy is a whole lot of nothing though, it will have no effect on you at all. Its like when someone wants to get attention and they get an itchy sensation in there throat that tells them to cough even though they have no medical reason to cough.
Okay I'll take a look at them once I have the time (I'm a busy man) but just to save me a bit of trouble, could you actually answer the question?
"How many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of pharmaceutical drugs?"
Just give me an actual NUMBER, and of course cite the source you got it from (ideally with a quote and a page number). That's literally the only thing I've been repeatedly asking for in this discussion, and it's still not come up.
I don't understand the pharma=big business idea either. Which of these is the more lucrative business plan?
1. Conduct lots of clinical tests, get published in a medical journal, approved by the gov't, extract complex chemicals, package into a pill and sell.
2. Shake up some water and drop it into some sugar, make up some mumbo-jumbo about "vibrations" which contradicts everything we know about physics, provide no evidence, sell for double the price of ex. #1.
@sbonfiglioli Have a look at Joseph Rowntree Foundation, and the WHO report and the book (Women and Health) {Feminist Perspective} you will find enough evidence there.
Shortly before my first week of university, I developed a cold. In my first week of university, I went out and got drunk pretty much every night of the week. At the end of the week, the cold was gone!
Now, one of two things happened here:
1. Drinking excessively (specifically, mixing beer and spirits) to the point of memory loss is a legitimate cure for the common cold, science just doesn't see it.
PSEUDO/PHONYskeptics can't prove their claims that Homeopathy doesn't work in any double-blind study, and no PSEUDO/PHONYskep can explain their dubious claims.
What makes us our argument for Homeopathy viable is it's SOLID scientific evidence base supported by Nobel Laureate scientists, nuclear physicists, oncologists and clinicians unlike your religious PSEUDO/PHONYskeptic dogma and unfounded claims.
A recent study in the International Journal of Oncology demonstrated that four ultra-diluted homeopathic medicines exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against two breast cancer cell lines.
Frenkel M et al. (2010): Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells. International Journal of Oncology, 36: 395-403.
Taylor, M.A. et al. Randomised Controlled Trial of Homoeopathy Versus Placebo in Perennial Allergic Rhinitis with Overview of Four Trial Series, British Medical Journal, 321, pp. 471-476 (2000).
"the burden of proof is always on the person making the claim"
Skeptics who claim that patients of Homeopathy are cured by the placebo effect must prove their claims!
To date there is not an iota of evidence to show that these patients were cured by the placebo effect.
The placebo effect is temporary, lasting a few days or weeks; whereas patients cured with Homeopathy have a lasting curative effect for several months or years.
@mohanaturo "The placebo effect is temporary, lasting a few days or weeks; [. . .]"
Regression towards the mean. Things tend to get better on their own, barring extreme examples like severed limbs. The placebo effect temporarily reduce the pain/problem, and then the problem begins to subside on its own after time.
Sadly, the world isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be...
MORE SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFICACY OF HOMEOPATHY:
find on google this titles
- A series of case reports: clinical evaluation of a complex homeopathic injection therapy in the management of pain in patients after breast cancer treatment.
- ...
AND SO OTHERS. YOU CAN FIND ON NCBI WEB SITE, LOOK FOR HOMEOPATHY, YOU WILL FIND MORE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT HOMEOPATHY WORKS!!!!
MORE SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFICACY HOMEOPATHY:
find on google this titles:
- Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes: A novel treatment for human brain cancer.
- Amelioration of carcinogen-induced toxicity in mice by administration of a potentized homeopathic drug, natrum sulphuricum 200.
- A systematic review of homoeopathy for the treatment of fibromyalgia.
Homeopathy is scientifically proven! Homeopathy works!
Skeptic leaders of Skepticism are people supported by BIG PHARMA!!! They want only to sell books of skepticism!!
Open your minds!
You can see scientific articles about the efficacy of Homeopathy:
LOOK FOR THIS ON google (I can't put web links here): - Homeopathy - Elselvier! You can find online SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES ABOUT HOMEOPATHY - Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells
Skepticism about Homeopathy is like a dogmatic religion!!! Their arguments against homeopathy are not valid!!!! The arguments are unfounded dogmas!!! They are like children that screaming only for screaming!!!!!
They have weak minds and impaired thinking!!!
HOMEOPATHY IS A SCIENCE!!!! AND REALLY WORKS!!! I HAVE PROOFS ON MY LIFE!!!!
Skeptics THEY GAIN MONEY WITH THAT!!! IT'S THEIR JOB!!! THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! THEY WANT MONEY!!!
THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SELL THEIR EXPENSIVE DRUGS THAT DO NOT CURE!!!! THEY DON'T WANT TO CURE PEOPLE, THEY WANT PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON ALOPATHIC DRUGS, DRUGS FROM CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE THAT DON'T CURE THE PEOPLE!!!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
Skepticism about Homeopathy is like a dogmatic religion!!! Their arguments against homeopathy are not valid!!!! The arguments are unfounded dogmas!!!
"THEY GAIN MONEY WITH THAT!!! IT'S THEIR JOB!!! THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! THEY WANT MONEY!!!"
If this was true, why wouldn't they sell the alternatives as well?
Homeopathy has little to no research cost, meaning almost all the money made is in profits, water is essentially dirt-cheap right now, and with a small amount of substance can produce a large amount of product, again meaning profit margins are much larger than with "conventional medicine".
Other animal studies add to the evidence. A 3x potency of Chelidonium lowered cholesterol in rabbits by 25 percent. Microdoses of Arsenicum (10x up to 30x; and 5c up to 15c) helped rats eliminate toxic doses of arsenic from their systems, a study that has important implications for humans who are increasingly exposed to many heavy metals in the environment. And pigs given Caulophyllum had half as many stillbirths as those who received a placebo.
My health was badly damaged by those so called NHS specialists, they were lying and I had experienced endless medical negligence, like never before in my life. But now since taking homeopathy things are improving ;-)
And lets be honest, how many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of Pharmaceutical drugs? But I have never heard of anybody who lost his life because using homeopathy ;-)
Yeah, I've never heard of anyone dying from drinking water either...
"how many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of Pharmaceutical drugs?" Umm... I dunno. Do you? Can you give me a specific figure? Can you refer me to a specific study?
No?
Wait... you mean to say that that was a rhetorical question, you don't actually know the answer to it, it's pure conjecture and you haven't done any real research into it?
@sbonfiglioli Comparatively to my country, the mortality rate in the UK is much higher as you will surely know; its another question whether or not you will admit what is already fact ;-)
Again, I asked you to provide me with specific numbers, statistics, and studies.
You replied with "as you will surely know."
Pretend I'm a complete and utter idiot who it's a miracle can dress himself in the morning, and seems to be lacking all the common sense you must have to be able to just instinctively "know" this.
Please provide me with FACTS. Not with conjecture.
Well, lets be realistic the NHS is a very conservative organisation and of course they will not accept any sort of alternative treatment because treating human illness is a very big business which they dont want to loos, thats why they are against homeopathy
Unfortunately the NHS at the moment does offer homeopathy, luckily the recent Parliamentary Sci Tech Committee on Homeopathy has recommended the ending of it as there is no scientific basis for homeopathy
One of the best testimonies of the efficacy of Homeopathy is the book:
"HOMEOPATHY CURES WHERE ALLOPATHY FAILS" written by an Allopathy medical doctor & surgeon.
In it he details many patients of chronic diseases who were getting worse with Allopathy drugs but were CURED once they switched to Homeopathy remedies.
Many of these patients were Allopathy doctors themselves.
Sorry, maybe Im being stupid here, but I dont quite get it. What did this prove? All these people took medicines specifically made for illnesses they hadnt actually gotand then nothing happened. Yeah..and? If I stood outside Boots WITHOUT a headache, then took a paracetomol, and nothing happened, could I then go in and demand that Boots stopped selling paracetomol because they didnt work?
What it proves is that homeopathy treatments don't have anything in them other than sugar. The point is they are taking an OVERDOSE.
If you downed an entire packet of paracetamol in one go, you'd have to be rushed to hospital. This is because it has chemicals that, in the correct dose, will work for pain relief, but if the dosage is exceeded can be poisonous.
If you take an overdose of homeopathic medicine, nothing will hapen, because there's NOTHING IN IT. It's just sugar pills.
ok, point taken, I'm not decided either way. It's just I've heard homeopaths say that 1 tablet or 1 bottle is still 1 dose. If these people had took them as directed - 1 tablet several times a day for many days & still said nothing happened, then I would happily mentally file this under 'proof against'. If I took just 1 dose of anti-biotics and ignored the instructions for dosage, I couldn't complain if they didn't work. I'd like to see someone take h'pathy as directed, then I'll be convinced.
Forbidding homeopathy means more power and better business to Pharma industries no wonder why they are against homeopathy, and trying to make patients depending on their chemical products.
Ive been on treatment for several problems over years, and all I can say homeopathy works but had been messed up by various doctors over here, doing one mistake after the other one till I had to give up my place the Uni.
Homeopathy doesn't work, that's all this really comes down to. the 'evils' of big Pharma have nothing to do with an argument involving the efficacy of a treatment
Most if not to say all of the so called evidence proved medicine stems from homeopathy, and the reason why many people in the UK dont know about it, because those who run against homeopathy never want others to know what is in many EU countries a scientific fact. ;-)
If homeopathic doesnt work on human beings, so why does it work on animals?
Well, I do understand that health care treatments are a very big business, so who wonders that Pharma industries are right keen to get rid of all alternative treatments such like homeopathy ;-) Well, in my country the health care insuranc pays for alternative treatments and of course England is living a bit behind the moon when it comes to homeopathy treatment
Its the placebo effect, and homeopaths and people who believe in it can shout til their blue in the face that it works in babies and animals so it must be real but it quite simply doesn't. It has nothing to do with Pharma or which goverments pay for it. It just simply doesn't work any better than a placebo and to suggest you can use water as an anti-malarial for example is a stupid and dangerous thing to do
Sorry, but it seems you are ill advised about homeopathy, because animals cannot be thought of having it all in their mind when given homeopathy and getting cured.
The placebo is also affected by the person administering the sugar pill as well as the pill itself, so I'm not convinced that some of the same effects couldn't be seen in animals. What i am reasonably certain of is that they haven't been cured by magic water. You have decided that the cause of the change in health is down to this magic water, can you prove it isn't a placebo effect?
got to wonder what the first commenter thinks happened. do they think that the skeptics swapped the sugar pills for other sugar pills in order to fake it? homeopathy is arse like all pseudo sciences :D
If a high dose was taken 4 times a day for several months, that would work.
But one dose, even if its a whole bottle etc, will still equal ONE dose.
If you really want to test Homeopathy try a regular dose over 4 month, but I do not recommend it.
Being 'skeptical" the usual complaint is that Homeopathy is not science based. Why then conduct a protest that is not science based by not following the protocols of Homeopathy
"If you really want to test Homeopathy try a regular dose over 4 month, but I do not recommend it."
The problem would be even if we're interested in doing it for that long (the cost alone would be a deterrent, not to mention the health benefits considering its essentially sugar water...), would you actually listen to anyone who did this?
If I were to record myself on video, with a detailed account of what I took, how much, and how long, would it really matter?
Do these guys take this as a "real" thing? I don't see an independent third party dispensing the meds or verifying who took what and how many. I don't see a qualified doctor verifying the actual effect on the people who took these meds. Where's the peer-reviewed paper or the randomized, placebo controlled, double-blind, replicated study on this "experiment"?
Not very scientific at all, but then, what could you expect?
No, not really. Sure most people who believe in homeopathy are still going to believe in it after watching this, but if there are even a few people who watch and realize that it's all BS, it will be worth it.
It's horrifying to think that there are people with life-threatening problems relying on these no-good crooks to make them better with nothing but sugar water! I wonder just how many people have died due to alternative "medicine"!
It could be people who think prayer does something--- not just SOMEthing, but EVERYTHING, ever... exccept if it's all part fo God's Plan to tell you "Neener Neener".
ie: Random-ass chacne.
NEW DRINKING GAME, EVERYONE!
Every time someone babbles about God healing through prayer, we all take a drink: We'll be wasted within the hour!
I'd already be dead playing that drinking game! Even if I were drinking water. Drinking WAY Too much of anything can become harmful to the body, after all...
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WOW....how dare you bunch of psycho's take the piss out of suicide and depression? What a utterly despicable act. Suicide rates in the UK are going through the roof and you lot think its all a big joke? You people disgust me to the core!
Are you morons aware that more British troops have died by taking their own lives in the last 10yrs than have died in action? You sick fuckers should be really ashamed of yourselves!!!
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You can read the book HOMEOPATHY CURES ALLOPATHY DOCTORS. In the book an Allopathy doctor and surgeon details how he cured many Allopathy doctors with Homeopathy medicines.
mohanaturo 3 months ago
if homeopathy works by stimulating the human immune system, what would be the course of treatment in immuno-suppressed patients?
SHRINIDHIKULKARNI 5 months ago
by the way i heard from a homeopath that homeopathy is all about symptomatic treatment. If you dont treat the cause of the disease (like killing the infectious agent in an infection) then how could one expect good results from homeopathy?
SHRINIDHIKULKARNI 5 months ago
@SHRINIDHIKULKARNI I heard something that makes sense. Homeopathic 'doctors' take the time to talk and listen to patients. This makes them feel a lot better and help them recover from their mostly meaningless pains.
PointlessSteel 3 months ago
@PointlessSteel hey! sorry! but didnt understand what you are trying to say!
SHRINIDHIKULKARNI 3 months ago
all the guys who are telling homeopathy works, its just because either they are homeopathic doctors or patients of homeopathy. No one wants to be proved stupid in the public. by the way belladonna causing constipation, isnt it a side effect of a drug?
SHRINIDHIKULKARNI 5 months ago
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Science has ALREADY proved ,that how and why Homeopathy works.There are millions of clinical evidences that homeopathy works.
Even the Father of modern medicine, and others suppoted homeopathy.Homeopathy cures all disease without any side effects.Modern Homeopaths
are best in diagnosing the disease using latest investigation procedures.
HOMOEOPATHY IS THE MOST ADVANCED SCIENCE OF HEALING,SAFEST,FUTURE MEDICINE
drchristoaa 5 months ago
This happening is for themselves their own ego. Let them say what they think is their truth. There is no wrong in what they are saying or doing out of their experience. I just say, more and more people will still go to a Homeopath when everything else have failed. But, why does these people use time and energy, like James randi, on something that you are absolutely free to chose or not. I know things that cost money that can be dangerous. If homeopathy does not work or can´t be dangerous...
marcussimilia 5 months ago
allopathy kills more of the human population than do the wars! Wakey! Wakey!
codyneel1 1 year ago
@codyneel1 "allopathy" lol
zendakk 1 year ago
10**200 is 1 googol-squared
shackupyourstruly 1 year ago
Are they taking all 10**200 of those doses right now? That was quick.
shackupyourstruly 1 year ago
I think it's reasonable to ask here: "did he died?"
clray123 1 year ago
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@clray123 "I think it's reasonable to ask here: "did he died?"" - No, homeopathy saved his life.
saamohod 1 year ago
Overdosing on homeopathic remedies-- what a concept!
shackupyourstruly 1 year ago
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Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
DrNancyMalik 1 year ago
@DrNancyMalik
Nano-medicine is building an insulin pump the size of a fingernail that will deliver physiological amounts of insulin into the body, effectively replacing damaged pancreatic cells. Homeopathy is diluting a substance to the point that you'd be unbelievably lucky to get a single molecule of anything that will do anything whatsoever, and then diluting it a bit more.
Pray tell me, what has homeopathy got to do with anything that could be described as 'nano'?
BioMedG33k 1 year ago
'DON'T DO IT YOU CRAZY FOOLS! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I CAN'T WATCH! The horror, the horror....'
maureenOWW 1 year ago
This video helps to expose the Fraud of Homeopathy. Well done.
ExposeHomeopathy 1 year ago 2
You homeopathy-deniers are so naive, of course you didn’t die of become ill from the overdose. The natural remedy only cures, it doesn’t harm the patient. That’s how the magic unicorn tears that are inside the pill works!! You idiots!!
whiteheartmovies 1 year ago 2
Hehe : Hmmmm jami jami jami haha thts very nice overdose :)
TheWissenschaftler 1 year ago
Thank to God people is starting to think: homepathy is nothing but water or not active ingredients.
belegulo 1 year ago
What do skeptics have to gain?
What does the homeopathy business have to gain?
End of debate!
exposefraud 1 year ago
@exposefraud That wasn't a debate, that was you posing two questions that have very complex answers and treating them as rhetorical. That was an argument stampede by you.
cjeam9199 1 year ago
@cjeam9199 Your point being what exactly?
exposefraud 1 year ago
@exposefraud I mean't I didn't understand your point. How is posing two questions the end of the debate? What are your answers to those questions?
cjeam9199 1 year ago
@cjeam9199 May I suggest that skeptics have nothing to gain from exposing the fraud that is homeopathy, other than the satisfaction that people will save their hard earned money.
May I also suggest that homeopathy is BIG business with the loss of billions of dollars should the scam come to an end.
In the UK a major pharmacy retail chain has admitted that the homeopathic products they sell do nothing at all. They only sell the products because "...the public wants to buy them".
exposefraud 1 year ago 7
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Homeopathic Medication TRAUMEEL S Reduces Chemotherapy-Induced Stomatitis in Children
Homeopathy works!! there are more scientific articles about Homeopathy on Journal of Homeopathy Elsevier, and ncbi and other Journals!
Visite George Vithoulkas web site and others that explain well how it works!.
DNMHOMEO 1 year ago
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See this new article!!!
Homeopathic Medication TRAUMEEL S Reduces Chemotherapy-Induced Stomatitis in Children
Homeopathy works!! there are more scientific articles about Homeopathy on Journal of Homeopathy Elsevier, and ncbi and other Journals!
Visite George Vithoulkas web site and others that explain well how it works!.
DNMHOMEO 1 year ago
Obviously why they didn't commit ritualistic suicide is because they did it so many times. This ofcourse increased the dose and decreased the effect! /sarc
voyagervsbor 1 year ago
I hope that I will continue to have the freedom to never be harmed again, by antibiotics; thanks to my Cambridge graduated GP, who prescribed me with: Belladonna, when I had a nasty bout of mastitis. I also saved my abscessed tooth-thanks to homeopathy!
Amygdala100 1 year ago
Homeopathy unanswered questions:
- what's the basis of the original ingredient?
- is there an expiry date?
- does sterilization clear water's memory?
- anything else that clears water's memory?
- is it possible for water to remember something bad and harmful?
- is water from the tap safe, because it might have remembered all kinds of bad things?
- is water in the lake and oceans safe because it might have remembered something bad and harmful?
I'm waiting...
antibunker 1 year ago
Simon Singh
fc007 1 year ago
PSEUDOskepticphonies(PSP's) are also clueless about chronic diseases. How it progress in the human body and how it regresses.
PSP's only know how to babble about their flat-earth religious dogma "there's nothing in it therefore it can't possibly work", ignoring the scientific evidence base for Homeopathy provided by 3 Nobel Laureate scientists in chemistry, physics, physiology & medicine, material scientists and clinical oncologists.
The cure of chronic diseases is Homeopathy's forte.
mohanaturo 1 year ago
Its this simple. If you have a weak mind and are easily fooled then homeopathy may work out just fine for you because of the placebo effect. If you know that homeopathy is a whole lot of nothing though, it will have no effect on you at all. Its like when someone wants to get attention and they get an itchy sensation in there throat that tells them to cough even though they have no medical reason to cough.
jnwpse 1 year ago
Okay I'll take a look at them once I have the time (I'm a busy man) but just to save me a bit of trouble, could you actually answer the question?
"How many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of pharmaceutical drugs?"
Just give me an actual NUMBER, and of course cite the source you got it from (ideally with a quote and a page number). That's literally the only thing I've been repeatedly asking for in this discussion, and it's still not come up.
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago
I don't understand the pharma=big business idea either. Which of these is the more lucrative business plan?
1. Conduct lots of clinical tests, get published in a medical journal, approved by the gov't, extract complex chemicals, package into a pill and sell.
2. Shake up some water and drop it into some sugar, make up some mumbo-jumbo about "vibrations" which contradicts everything we know about physics, provide no evidence, sell for double the price of ex. #1.
Now, where is the REAL money?
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago 3
Besides, saying that pharmaceuticals cause lots of deaths (again, unproven) still doesn't give any credence to homeopathy.
Do some pharmaceutical drugs have unpleasant side effects, but have been shown to work repeatedly in clinical tests? Yes.
Has homeopathy ever been shown to have a result beyond a placebo effect in clinical double-blind tests? NO.
The FEW "positive" scientific results of it rarely amount to more than "it's worth a look." The "negatives" amount to "absolutely useless."
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago 16
@sbonfiglioli Have a look at Joseph Rowntree Foundation, and the WHO report and the book (Women and Health) {Feminist Perspective} you will find enough evidence there.
Morgena1 2 years ago
Shortly before my first week of university, I developed a cold. In my first week of university, I went out and got drunk pretty much every night of the week. At the end of the week, the cold was gone!
Now, one of two things happened here:
1. Drinking excessively (specifically, mixing beer and spirits) to the point of memory loss is a legitimate cure for the common cold, science just doesn't see it.
2. Colds take a few days to go away.
I wonder how this relates to homeopathy...
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago 3
Let's talk big business.
Selling sugar pills for £4 a packet? KA-CHING!
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago 2
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PSEUDO/PHONYskeptics can't prove their claims that Homeopathy doesn't work in any double-blind study, and no PSEUDO/PHONYskep can explain their dubious claims.
What makes us our argument for Homeopathy viable is it's SOLID scientific evidence base supported by Nobel Laureate scientists, nuclear physicists, oncologists and clinicians unlike your religious PSEUDO/PHONYskeptic dogma and unfounded claims.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
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Feb 13, 2010
A recent study in the International Journal of Oncology demonstrated that four ultra-diluted homeopathic medicines exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against two breast cancer cell lines.
Frenkel M et al. (2010): Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells. International Journal of Oncology, 36: 395-403.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
5 META ANALYSES showing positive results on Homeopathy.
1. Cucherat et al 2000 16 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
2. Linde & Melchart 1998 32 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
3. Linde et al 1997 89 studies POSITIVE.
4. Boissel et al 1996 15 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
5. Kleijnen et al 1991 105 studies POSITIVE.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
Taylor, M.A. et al. Randomised Controlled Trial of Homoeopathy Versus Placebo in Perennial Allergic Rhinitis with Overview of Four Trial Series, British Medical Journal, 321, pp. 471-476 (2000).
mohanaturo 2 years ago
*gets ready for the barrage of flames.* HOMEOPATHY DOES NOT WORK!
darksorceressharuko 2 years ago 2
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"the burden of proof is always on the person making the claim"
Skeptics who claim that patients of Homeopathy are cured by the placebo effect must prove their claims!
To date there is not an iota of evidence to show that these patients were cured by the placebo effect.
The placebo effect is temporary, lasting a few days or weeks; whereas patients cured with Homeopathy have a lasting curative effect for several months or years.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
@mohanaturo "The placebo effect is temporary, lasting a few days or weeks; [. . .]"
Regression towards the mean. Things tend to get better on their own, barring extreme examples like severed limbs. The placebo effect temporarily reduce the pain/problem, and then the problem begins to subside on its own after time.
Sadly, the world isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be...
Cyrathil 1 year ago
MORE SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFICACY OF HOMEOPATHY:
find on google this titles
- A series of case reports: clinical evaluation of a complex homeopathic injection therapy in the management of pain in patients after breast cancer treatment.
- ...
AND SO OTHERS. YOU CAN FIND ON NCBI WEB SITE, LOOK FOR HOMEOPATHY, YOU WILL FIND MORE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT HOMEOPATHY WORKS!!!!
DNMHOMEO 2 years ago
MORE SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFICACY HOMEOPATHY:
find on google this titles:
- Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes: A novel treatment for human brain cancer.
- Amelioration of carcinogen-induced toxicity in mice by administration of a potentized homeopathic drug, natrum sulphuricum 200.
- A systematic review of homoeopathy for the treatment of fibromyalgia.
DNMHOMEO 2 years ago
Homeopathy is scientifically proven! Homeopathy works!
Skeptic leaders of Skepticism are people supported by BIG PHARMA!!! They want only to sell books of skepticism!!
Open your minds!
You can see scientific articles about the efficacy of Homeopathy:
LOOK FOR THIS ON google (I can't put web links here): - Homeopathy - Elselvier! You can find online SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES ABOUT HOMEOPATHY - Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells
DNMHOMEO 2 years ago
Skepticism about Homeopathy is like a dogmatic religion!!! Their arguments against homeopathy are not valid!!!! The arguments are unfounded dogmas!!! They are like children that screaming only for screaming!!!!!
They have weak minds and impaired thinking!!!
HOMEOPATHY IS A SCIENCE!!!! AND REALLY WORKS!!! I HAVE PROOFS ON MY LIFE!!!!
David
DNMHOMEO 2 years ago
Skeptics THEY GAIN MONEY WITH THAT!!! IT'S THEIR JOB!!! THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! THEY WANT MONEY!!!
THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SELL THEIR EXPENSIVE DRUGS THAT DO NOT CURE!!!! THEY DON'T WANT TO CURE PEOPLE, THEY WANT PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON ALOPATHIC DRUGS, DRUGS FROM CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE THAT DON'T CURE THE PEOPLE!!!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
Skepticism about Homeopathy is like a dogmatic religion!!! Their arguments against homeopathy are not valid!!!! The arguments are unfounded dogmas!!!
DNMHOMEO 2 years ago
@DNMHOMEO
"THEY GAIN MONEY WITH THAT!!! IT'S THEIR JOB!!! THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! THEY WANT MONEY!!!"
If this was true, why wouldn't they sell the alternatives as well?
Homeopathy has little to no research cost, meaning almost all the money made is in profits, water is essentially dirt-cheap right now, and with a small amount of substance can produce a large amount of product, again meaning profit margins are much larger than with "conventional medicine".
Cyrathil 1 year ago
those anti-homeopath protesters are all frauds. some if not all, are convicted atheists. it's all a big maffia.
zensorship 2 years ago
Other animal studies add to the evidence. A 3x potency of Chelidonium lowered cholesterol in rabbits by 25 percent. Microdoses of Arsenicum (10x up to 30x; and 5c up to 15c) helped rats eliminate toxic doses of arsenic from their systems, a study that has important implications for humans who are increasingly exposed to many heavy metals in the environment. And pigs given Caulophyllum had half as many stillbirths as those who received a placebo.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
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sbonfiglioli 2 years ago
My health was badly damaged by those so called NHS specialists, they were lying and I had experienced endless medical negligence, like never before in my life. But now since taking homeopathy things are improving ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
And lets be honest, how many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of Pharmaceutical drugs? But I have never heard of anybody who lost his life because using homeopathy ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
@ Morgena1
Yeah, I've never heard of anyone dying from drinking water either...
"how many people are dying every year from heavy side effects of Pharmaceutical drugs?" Umm... I dunno. Do you? Can you give me a specific figure? Can you refer me to a specific study?
No?
Wait... you mean to say that that was a rhetorical question, you don't actually know the answer to it, it's pure conjecture and you haven't done any real research into it?
Oh dear...
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago
@sbonfiglioli Comparatively to my country, the mortality rate in the UK is much higher as you will surely know; its another question whether or not you will admit what is already fact ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
No, I don't know this.
Again, I asked you to provide me with specific numbers, statistics, and studies.
You replied with "as you will surely know."
Pretend I'm a complete and utter idiot who it's a miracle can dress himself in the morning, and seems to be lacking all the common sense you must have to be able to just instinctively "know" this.
Please provide me with FACTS. Not with conjecture.
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago 3
Well, lets be realistic the NHS is a very conservative organisation and of course they will not accept any sort of alternative treatment because treating human illness is a very big business which they dont want to loos, thats why they are against homeopathy
Morgena1 2 years ago
Unfortunately the NHS at the moment does offer homeopathy, luckily the recent Parliamentary Sci Tech Committee on Homeopathy has recommended the ending of it as there is no scientific basis for homeopathy
Shukes2 2 years ago
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One of the best testimonies of the efficacy of Homeopathy is the book:
"HOMEOPATHY CURES WHERE ALLOPATHY FAILS" written by an Allopathy medical doctor & surgeon.
In it he details many patients of chronic diseases who were getting worse with Allopathy drugs but were CURED once they switched to Homeopathy remedies.
Many of these patients were Allopathy doctors themselves.
IMO, the book should be titled:
"HOMEOPATHY CURES ALLOPATHY DOCTORS"!! LOL!!!
mohanaturo 2 years ago
Sorry, maybe Im being stupid here, but I dont quite get it. What did this prove? All these people took medicines specifically made for illnesses they hadnt actually gotand then nothing happened. Yeah..and? If I stood outside Boots WITHOUT a headache, then took a paracetomol, and nothing happened, could I then go in and demand that Boots stopped selling paracetomol because they didnt work?
menschwench 2 years ago
@menschwench
What it proves is that homeopathy treatments don't have anything in them other than sugar. The point is they are taking an OVERDOSE.
If you downed an entire packet of paracetamol in one go, you'd have to be rushed to hospital. This is because it has chemicals that, in the correct dose, will work for pain relief, but if the dosage is exceeded can be poisonous.
If you take an overdose of homeopathic medicine, nothing will hapen, because there's NOTHING IN IT. It's just sugar pills.
sbonfiglioli 2 years ago
ok, point taken, I'm not decided either way. It's just I've heard homeopaths say that 1 tablet or 1 bottle is still 1 dose. If these people had took them as directed - 1 tablet several times a day for many days & still said nothing happened, then I would happily mentally file this under 'proof against'. If I took just 1 dose of anti-biotics and ignored the instructions for dosage, I couldn't complain if they didn't work. I'd like to see someone take h'pathy as directed, then I'll be convinced.
menschwench 2 years ago
Many GPs are humbug specialists I know ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
Forbidding homeopathy means more power and better business to Pharma industries no wonder why they are against homeopathy, and trying to make patients depending on their chemical products.
Morgena1 2 years ago
Know what else it means? Treatments that actually work instead of voodoo that does nothing.
lawyerly 2 years ago
Ive been on treatment for several problems over years, and all I can say homeopathy works but had been messed up by various doctors over here, doing one mistake after the other one till I had to give up my place the Uni.
Morgena1 2 years ago
Homeopathy doesn't work, that's all this really comes down to. the 'evils' of big Pharma have nothing to do with an argument involving the efficacy of a treatment
Shukes2 2 years ago
Most if not to say all of the so called evidence proved medicine stems from homeopathy, and the reason why many people in the UK dont know about it, because those who run against homeopathy never want others to know what is in many EU countries a scientific fact. ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
Homeopathy doesn't work in any country, water isn't going to suddenly gain a memory if you cross a border, especially not a selective memory
Shukes2 2 years ago
If homeopathic doesnt work on human beings, so why does it work on animals?
Well, I do understand that health care treatments are a very big business, so who wonders that Pharma industries are right keen to get rid of all alternative treatments such like homeopathy ;-) Well, in my country the health care insuranc pays for alternative treatments and of course England is living a bit behind the moon when it comes to homeopathy treatment
Morgena1 2 years ago
Its the placebo effect, and homeopaths and people who believe in it can shout til their blue in the face that it works in babies and animals so it must be real but it quite simply doesn't. It has nothing to do with Pharma or which goverments pay for it. It just simply doesn't work any better than a placebo and to suggest you can use water as an anti-malarial for example is a stupid and dangerous thing to do
Shukes2 2 years ago
Sorry, but it seems you are ill advised about homeopathy, because animals cannot be thought of having it all in their mind when given homeopathy and getting cured.
In this sense its not a placebo at all ;-)
Morgena1 2 years ago
The placebo is also affected by the person administering the sugar pill as well as the pill itself, so I'm not convinced that some of the same effects couldn't be seen in animals. What i am reasonably certain of is that they haven't been cured by magic water. You have decided that the cause of the change in health is down to this magic water, can you prove it isn't a placebo effect?
Shukes2 2 years ago
This isn't supposed to be scientific. This is supposed to cause awareness.
Science debunked homeopathy a long time ago.
merlechmoose 2 years ago 2
got to wonder what the first commenter thinks happened. do they think that the skeptics swapped the sugar pills for other sugar pills in order to fake it? homeopathy is arse like all pseudo sciences :D
farn451 2 years ago
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Taking one dose will not cause "overdose".
If a high dose was taken 4 times a day for several months, that would work.
But one dose, even if its a whole bottle etc, will still equal ONE dose.
If you really want to test Homeopathy try a regular dose over 4 month, but I do not recommend it.
Being 'skeptical" the usual complaint is that Homeopathy is not science based. Why then conduct a protest that is not science based by not following the protocols of Homeopathy
What a total anticlimax
Kingfillins 2 years ago
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@Kingfillins
"If you really want to test Homeopathy try a regular dose over 4 month, but I do not recommend it."
The problem would be even if we're interested in doing it for that long (the cost alone would be a deterrent, not to mention the health benefits considering its essentially sugar water...), would you actually listen to anyone who did this?
If I were to record myself on video, with a detailed account of what I took, how much, and how long, would it really matter?
Cyrathil 1 year ago
Do these guys take this as a "real" thing? I don't see an independent third party dispensing the meds or verifying who took what and how many. I don't see a qualified doctor verifying the actual effect on the people who took these meds. Where's the peer-reviewed paper or the randomized, placebo controlled, double-blind, replicated study on this "experiment"?
Not very scientific at all, but then, what could you expect?
den151redbank 2 years ago
Well done everyone.
middlj14 2 years ago
awesome guys.
benji5 2 years ago
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most pointless thing ever?
kzsklbgrdl 2 years ago
if you mean homeopathy, yes. it's a blatant lie to people who have no insights into the medical reality.
chrbauer23 2 years ago 20
@chrbauer23 Science has ALREADY proved ,that how and why Homeopathy works.There are millions of clinical evidences that homeopathy works.
Even the Father of modern medicine, and others suppoted homeopathy.Homeopathy cures all disease without any side effects.Modern Homeopaths
are best in diagnosing the disease using latest investigation procedures.
HOMOEOPATHY IS THE MOST ADVANCED SCIENCE OF HEALING,SAFEST,FUTURE MEDICINE
drchristoaa 5 months ago
No, not really. Sure most people who believe in homeopathy are still going to believe in it after watching this, but if there are even a few people who watch and realize that it's all BS, it will be worth it.
It's horrifying to think that there are people with life-threatening problems relying on these no-good crooks to make them better with nothing but sugar water! I wonder just how many people have died due to alternative "medicine"!
stygiansyntax 2 years ago
@stygiansyntax
fair enough, keep fighting the gd fight x
kzsklbgrdl 2 years ago
@stygiansyntax Heh, could be worse.
It could be people who think prayer does something--- not just SOMEthing, but EVERYTHING, ever... exccept if it's all part fo God's Plan to tell you "Neener Neener".
ie: Random-ass chacne.
NEW DRINKING GAME, EVERYONE!
Every time someone babbles about God healing through prayer, we all take a drink: We'll be wasted within the hour!
Xunkun 2 years ago
@Xunkun
I'd already be dead playing that drinking game! Even if I were drinking water. Drinking WAY Too much of anything can become harmful to the body, after all...
stygiansyntax 2 years ago
Is that Simon Singh in the white t-shirt, to Dave's far right? (not politically!)
codswallop321 2 years ago
It is indeed!
Psythor 2 years ago
Those people most definitely got a massive sugar overdose :)
chrisis685 2 years ago 3
You gotta love Dave Gorman
BadPsychicsTV 2 years ago 2