People's Republic of China - Socialism is Good

[MrHenryFogg]

You're all goddamn Commie Mutant Traitors.

[ForeverComplaining]

Don't take my comments as an insult to chinese people btw, I just hate their regime.

[ForeverComplaining]

Love chinese people BUT hate their regime and even the people do but they can't have an opinion.

[Laughingblades]

@ForeverComplaining China isn't socialist, it calls itself communist but it isn't even that.

[Laughingblades]

Besides we all know how China intends to conquer it's rivals. The plans are leaked and an open secret, China plans to economically devastate it's rivals and render them second and third world while it secures dominance as THE world Super Power in the later portion of this century, China has been very good at taking the long term view, something the West is laughably bad at.

[ForeverComplaining]

@Laughingblades Yes but the problem is none of those countries are good in power. People go on about Britain and USA but no, we are peaceful compared to this bunch.

Can you imagine China as a world power? ha. Left-wingers think it's great them gaining a bit of power, but they are one heartless bunch, and incredibly power-hungry like all left-wingers and hypocritical. They probably wouldn't kill us all, as that would mean they couldn't show off, rather they would torture the world.

[Laughingblades]

@ForeverComplaining It means democratically controlled by the people. Why are you talking about China?

[Laughingblades]

Too bad China isn't Socialist amiright? Go to the Special Seconomic Zones (try to avoid suicide jumpers landing on you) and tell the surplus slave labor of poorly regulated capitalist factories that they have socialism.

Tiananmen Square was true Communists and Socialists protesting against the right winged reformist party government, bring Socialism back to China then say it's good. It's worked wonders for Mondragon and Argentina, in fact socialism saved Argentina after Capitalism destroyed it.

[ForeverComplaining]

@Laughingblades Exactly!

It's because communism and socialism doesn't work in practice even though it's a nice dream.

The people who lead it are always power-hungry. That's why they hate people like Thatcher, they want everything under their control, NOT the people's.

[Laughingblades]

@ForeverComplaining Socialism works, Mondragon proves that.

[weavermama]

Did I mention marxism/Leninism? Hitler may very well have hated all things jewish/bolshevic/ russian, but he was ideologically wedded to many of the same abhorrent principles as Marx. "The whole of National Socialism is based on Marx,'' Hitler told Hermann Rauschning. I am glad to hear that you reject his racism and will refrain from mentioning him again. I would be happy to focus on another mass-murdering tyrant for whom you seem to have a greater affinity, like Mao.

[Donald09231985]

@weavermama Mao was not a mass murderer. Natural disasters caused the famines of the 1960s, not him. These things used to happen before him as well. During the Cultural Revolution, anyone who was killed was killed by Red Guards, and Mao was outraged because it brought shame to him and the revolution.

If your sentiments are like that of the Tea Party and Glenn Beck, waste someone else's time.

[weavermama]

@Donald09231985 Keep telling yourself that it had nothing to do with the collectivization of agriculture and the violent prohibition against private cultivation. Console yourself with the doctrine that it couldn't have occurred as a direct result of forced industrialization and central economic planning at the expense of grain surpluses. Even the Chinese Gov. has abandoned your "natural Disaster" rationalizations. Same tired b.s. the Soviets espoused regarding the 20 million starved to death.

[weavermama]

As for Glenn Beck. I regard him as a crude propagandist. I, unlike you, am disgusted by bootlicking, thumbsuckers who fawn in adulation over their favorite statist bully.

[YourProfessor]

@Donald09231985 You'd probably be one of those Russians being put in the gulags saying to themselves "If only Comrade Stalin knew this was happening." Mao took a underdeveloped, unindustrialized, war torn nation with little resources and make it into a power, and that requires an iron fist and a lot suffering of the people. He wasn't nearly as successful as Stalin, but Deng and Detente ended up doing a lot of good in terms of developing China, more so than Mao.

[Donald09231985]

@YourProfessor Since when did I ever talk negatively about Stalin and Mao? No, dumbass. Stalin was actually kinder to his enemies, and one such person was Imre Nagy, an ungrateful idiot of a Nazi who, after Stalin's death, tried to take down Socialist Hungary, only to get his ass whooped and replaced by Kadar Janos. Many myths were also fabricated and exaggerated based on some incidents that made Stalin look "evil".

[YourProfessor]

@Donald09231985 You never said anything negative about either, I was commenting on how you've totally ignored any negative aspects about either. His Kadar Janos decision was a foreign policy decision, a realm where he did not have absolute power. If you look at what he did domestically or in his party politics you can see how ruthless he was. De-Stalinization happened for a reason.Also, the fact that he had Beria as the head of SMERSH and the NKVD says a lot.

[Donald09231985]

@YourProfessor As for Mao, the only people he actually had killed were war criminals and collaborators. With regard to the famines, that was beyond his control, but due to the new economy, starting with Mao, famines became a thing of the past, and famines were rampant BEFORE his time. All Deng did was expand on Mao's successes and turn China into a superpower for long-term success. If Mao is so "evil", why is his portrait STILL in Tiananmen? Waste someone else's time.

[YourProfessor]

@Donald09231985 First and foremost I never called Mao evil, there is no such thing as good and evil, don't put words in my mouth. Although it was not the intent, the collective farms most certainly did not help the famine as they were notoriously inefficient and often city dwellers with few agricultural skills were made to work at them.

[YourProfessor]

@Donald0923198 Mao mobilized the Red Guard, he basically created. To claim that Mao didn't know what the Red Guard was doing in the Cultural Revolution is lubricious. He knew exactly what they were doing because that's how he was going to form China into what he wanted. That's why his portrait still looks over the square where Deng killed those students

[weavermama]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927) I'm all for voluntary socialism, but last time I checked that is called charity.

[Donald09231985]

@weavermama Why must you invoke Adolf Hitler, a man who HATED all things Marxist, in this video?! His National-Socialism and racism have no place in Marxism-Leninism. Do you have anything intelligent to contribute? If not, buzz off.

[Spyonelili35]

l love this song !!!!

[AtheismCentral]

Long live China!

[hillerm]

I'm an American living in Shanghai. This video is bullshit.

[Donald09231985]

@hillerm LOL Nice to meet you from "Shanghai".

[Noobssuckass300]

@Donald09231985 Lmao. He's a liar. You can't even access Youtube from China.

[Donald09231985]

@Noobssuckass300 That is one reason I put quotation marks around Shanghai :)

[Jeikuchibi]

1488rockstar, you are a shining example of good ol' fasion logic, but alas, dealing with the ignorant masses in their territory is all but impossible. I hope someday America will see that their very own republican leaders can be far worse than our leaders in their cruelty towards other countries. How long does it take to help innocent lives westerner? A communist country as China is immediate in their choice to help the people. Keep up the great work 1488rockstar.

[snarfels]

@Jeikuchibi

During the cultural revolution didn't china kill like a million of its own people? Come to think i seem to remember some sort of thing with tibet and China too. Oh yeah i forgot and were still protecting Taiwan from China. It seems you're idea of a benevolent communist country is a total fallacy. Please Refute.

[bbly096]

@snarfels The world is not black and white, it's just shades of grey. And don't even try to understand China, even the Chinese themselves are confused about what China is, just because it is far too complex on all levels. Which is also why people tend to argue for countless hours on youtube. Now that...is futile

[snarfels]

@bbly096

This guy said china as a communist country would always do the right thing to help the people, and i gave several facts debunking that. It seems pretty crystal clear to me, if there's a grey area, please do enlighten me.

[dondanyi]

@snarfels you have no Fucking idea of china!

[walle1999]

@snarfels Learn about today's China, quit living in the past you idiot. You talk about protecting taiwan from China, maybe in the 60s... china can shell the taiwan island back to the stoneages in a couple of hours what is the US going to do? Nothing, UShave a agreement to help taiwan in terms and arms sales, but not to protect it if a full scale war breaks out. You get all your "information" from some shitty alphabet news outlets, educate yourself, go and do some primary research.

[snarfels]

@walle1999

Well i kind of have to live in the past for this, because the people i am refuting are praising the actions of China in the past so say your stupid bullshit to them not me. Read the video description and watch the video.

The argument is centered around the idea that communism will always result in the betterment of the people living in it, which i countered. Please refute, with the help of an adult if possible.

Idiot

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels 1. Mao did not kill 70 million people; the only people he actually had killed were 1 million, and they were landlords, traitors and worst offenders after World War II.

2. During the Cultural Revolution, Mao did not order death and destruction; only more extreme members of Red Guard movements did that by their own choice.

3. The United States is the reason Taiwan is still rogue (not independent); they protected them from the CPC.

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985

I never said anything about Mao killing 70 million people. Yes, he directly killed roughly 1 million of his own people. Indirectly tens of millions died, mostly as a result of the fallacy of central planning. Without prices to guide the allocation of scarce resources with alternative uses many people didn't have a chance.

"When there is not enough to eat people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill." -Mao

cont...

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels You imply that it was his intent to murder, and murder involves malicious intention of taking one's life. Before China turned red in 1949, they had famines due to natural disasters, so what happened under Mao was NO DIFFERENT than it was in his time, except that the ideology of the government was (and is) Marxism-Leninism.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels (continued)

Also, while the USA may not protect Taiwan from any attack, hypothetically speaking, the mere sale of weapons is an infringement on China's sovereignty. They consider Taiwan part of their jurisdiction. Whatever Taiwan does with their weapons is on them, not the USA, so of Taiwan gets conquered, that is on Taiwan, not the PRC.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels Also, during the Great Leap Forward, any deaths that occurred were not the result of Mao Zedong; natural disasters led to flooding and famine. Since the days of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, China has made and still makes great strides in their industrial base such that they can handle natural disasters much better now and thus the death tolls are more minimal. This is a country that may very well be a superpower.

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985 Cont...

And yes China may be a superpower. After Mao's death China started to part with many aspects of Maoism and have introduced Capitalism. Capitalism in China is the reason for it's success, not Maoism.

If Mao were still alive the people of China would still be starving to death.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels The only "capitalism" I see with China is their market-oriented PRACTICE, but the government still has large shares of ownership, and the government still practices economic planning in the form of 5-year plans. The government in recent years has lifted many Chinese out of poverty, and it has turned more underdeveloped areas like Tibet into more modern scenes with modern technology like monorails. There is an article posted in the comment section of the video. Read it!

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985 This is such a joke lol. Mao killed a million of his own people, you already said it yourself. I would classify that as murder. But i never said the deaths that resulted from his economic policies were murder.

And i never said China was more capitalist than communist. I stated that as the government has moved away from Maoism towards Capitalism the people have been better off. Refute my points, don't mix them up or put words in my mouth.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels It seems you are mixing things up. By implying they're moving towards capitalism, you are essentially saying that they are more capitalist than socialist (under Communism, there is NO state).

Also, you forget that those 1 million who died were CRIMINALS, not innocent people. It would be no different than executing heinous criminals in the USA. I do not recall you saying anything about specific details of those deaths until later.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels (cont.)

Need I remind you AGAIN that the deaths during the Great Leap Forward were due to natural disasters, and BEFORE Mao ever took charge, China had natural disasters that led to the deaths of Chinese people. I will not repeat this any further if you cannot understand that, pro-western tool.

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985 Okay

Haha... Yes i am saying it's a mixed system. Actually not a complicated idea. As people are able to utilize the advantages of capitalism and gain wealth for themselves, china prospers. And no, millions died mostly due to failed central planning, and yes it was under Mao. Mao was exporting grain and moving farmers into steel jobs while the country was starving. Fact.

And no my forefathers hated democracy. The U.S is a Republic, learn the difference.

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985 Cont

Nope i got walle's comment mixed in there. Sorry i do apologize about the republic thing.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels Actually, I will not accept your apology, regardless of what happened.

It is YOU who keeps on adding words to anyone's mouth. I see that you are nothing more than a defeatist propagandist who likes to demoralize people with petty rhetoric like "Communism failed, suck it up and deal with it because China and company abandoned it".

Debate is nothing but a waste of words, so let's agree to disagree, western tool. Action is far preferable over petty talk.

[snarfels]

@Donald09231985

You're right, lets agree to disagree. If facts aren't good enough for you then so be it. China itself has seen the way your ideology played out and is moving away from it, to their own benefit. Simple, irrefutable fact. Deny it if you wish, but your beliefs will die with you.

Goodbye, tool.

[Donald09231985]

@snarfels Tools believe in western propaganda and not the opposite, and I asked you earlier to read a particular article of which you obviously did not read. Go back to your toys, dear sir/madam. May your "spread of democracy" die with you as well, terrorist :)

[walle1999]

@snarfels You arguments lack any depth or insight, mostly claims fed to you through mainstream western media. You don't know anything China's modern history, its struggle of nationhood which led to the communist model, this model was the best then and although altered still is working for the country and its citizens.

[snarfels]

@walle1999 Really

I originally stated that communism does not always result in the upholding of human rights, which i supported with examples. If you have an argument or facts to refute that, please show them.

Instead of throwing vague insults around, how about you counter the premise of my statement instead.

[walle1999]

@snarfels if you find my comments insulting, good. People like you know nothing about the history of the countries and dismiss their governance, its working for the people and that what matters. All this BS democratic / disguising as human rights the american tries to spread across the world results in death of civilians and their infrastructure. The facts democracy brought hundreds of thousands civilian death, millions displaced, isnt that what your fuck forefather vouched for?

[snarfels]

@walle1999 The government is working for the people now that they have introduced capitalism. China is better off now than it has ever been before, thanks to capitalism, not the great leap forward which was starving it's people to death.

And no, the U.S is not a democracy, it's a Republic. Big difference.

[Donald09231985]

@MatijaHr and f*** the Ustaša

[1488rockstar]

HAHA, China hasnt been socialist since Deng Xioaping, I know this because im a national socialist, and Chinas economy is starting to resemble national socialism and fascism more and more each day. in fact China is close to banning the communist party.

[Donald09231985]

@1488rockstar interesting observation, sir. I should point out that the means of ownership in Nazi Germany was still in the hands of private individuals.

Socialism, according to a dictionary, is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." China does this way more than Adolf Shi- I MEAN Hitler, even though somewhat diluted in the present

[1488rockstar]

@Donald09231985 thats where you fail sir, the national socialists were known as "YELLOW SOCIALISTS". there are many different types of socialism in case you didnt know, and the type that advocates "public ownership of the means of production" is just one particular type. in Hitler's Germany the socialism was decentralised and more focused on distributionist principles. however its worth noting that the state was autocratic and still had the right to confiscate land without compensation.

[Donald09231985]

@1488rockstar irrelevant. Ownership was still in the hands of the private sector, but the government was involved in the market in regards to intervention and planning. Ever heard of the term "corporatism"? That is what they had in Germany then. Yes, there was no "free market", but still, it was not like the USSR where the state owned the means of production. Hitler acted no different that Obama does in the present (I.e. corporate interests and government working together).

[1488rockstar]

@Donald09231985 inaccurate, thats not "corporatism" corporatism comes from the latin word meaning "body". national socialists and fascists viewed the entire nation as an organic body, therefore rejected all forms of class warfare. in the 3rd reich, the communities ran themselves basically, the state played very little role. the corporations were run entirely by the workers, each bussiness with 20 or more employees was required to have a "council of trust" which consisted of workers and managers

[Donald09231985]

@1488rockstar yeah right, private ownership still existed and was cozy with your precious Hitler, and speaking of your precious scum of a dictator, he was really wonderful at one thing, if you really want to follow that waste of existence - blowing his, or should I say ITS, brains out

[1488rockstar]

@Donald09231985 youre an idiot, as ive said there are many different types of socialism, Hitler was a "yellow socialist", and yellow socialism advocates decentralisation of the economy, the 3rd reich wasnt centrally planned, rather it was centrally directed. oh and you have no right talking about dictators with a Gaddafi icon. you are a typical commie you guys all say the same thing when you have nothing else to say. seriously you commies have such duh-duh-duh reasoning.

[Donald09231985]

@1488rockstar lol nice to see you, mass murderer, defending your s**tty führer with such "you are an idiot" rhetoric, typical anti-communist tactics. At least Gaddafi didn't commit genocide like your pedophile leader, nor do I believe in the "spread of democracy". By the way, only 30% of the Chinese economy is private-sector. At least I don't go on your profile starting arguments XD

[workergirls]

Thanx for sharing this great videos comrade

[Invilidity]

@workergirls

He actually made this, unlike you :)

What are you going to do; download this video and re-upload it in a retarded hissy fit?

You're pathetic, even for a socialist.

[sailgoal]

A class insisted Obama's socialism worked. Professor said grades would be averaged but no A's. First test averaged B's. Students who studied were upset. The rest were happy. Second test, bums who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied decided they wanted a free ride. D average results. Everyone unhappy. 3rd test average F. All failed! Socialism fails! When the reward is great, effort to succeed is great! As government takes out reward no one will try to succeed!

[Donald09231985]

@sailgoal Interesting that you believe Obama is a socialist. Many of his supporters would disagree with your belief, and even the libertarian Ron Paul, of all people, would disagree with you. I laugh at your logic, seriously :-)

[wagnerian1979]

Long live Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and the PRC!

[sovjettank]

For the socialism!

down with capitalism and nazi!

[sengoku17]

love the song

[blackiron60]

Socialism is the only way forward.