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  • When gun control legislation is enacted, it's been proven that the rate of assaults, violent crimes, drug related offenses, and property crimes actually go up. The legal ownership of guns for self defense acts as a deterrent and scares criminals away. It's been found that in places where concealed carrying of guns is legal, the crime rates are lower.

  • The long gun registry is a "feel good" law. It does nothing to actually stop crime in this country.

    The real problem is the illegal guns, criminals don't buy legal registered guns to commit crimes.

    The odd time a legal registered gun owner flips out and kills his family, which does happen, the gun registry wouldn't help/prevent that.

    Think about this logically, what, does this registry do?? seriously. What does it help? The government knows who owns guns by who has a gun license.

  • ...California is pretty much about to do Long Gun registration very soon... damn liberals just don't learn from other peoples mistakes

  • Scrap all guns, That will solve the problem

  • @xmoroseguyx

    Really?

    Lets think about that for a moment. If you do not have a gun and I do not have a gun then the ONLY question is which of us is stronger.

    Is that the sort of world you want?

    I prefer a world of equals on all levels.

  • Canadians should be allowed to own any type of guns they want and be able to carry for self defense.

  • heck the registry is bullshit... i live "out in the boonies" and everyone here just said Fuck Da Police and didnt register their guns... yep that registry really worked didnt it :P

  • Licensing systems dont accomplish their exterior objective: which is disarming criminals. It does however accomplish its INTERIOR motive, to provide a barrier for regular citizens to obtain firearms. Everytime you submit to licensure you lose freedom because the authority that issues the license dictates your behaviour regarding the activity the license is for and can also take it away at any time. That is not freedom, that is tyranny.

  • It seems to me that Harper is acting like the american government

  • @TheRickibobby Harper acting like the Obamination? really? I disagree

  • Lol I like how LaPierre is the representative for gun rights in Canada and the U.S

  • "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Mohandas Gandhi

  • Many in Ottawa are canadian turn coats .... A fifth collumn if you will.

    They are part of the un global gun ban,it is the duty of every Canadian

    Patriot to STAND HIS GROUND !!!!!!!!

    Remember this ..... FREE MEN OWN GUNS,slaves DON'T !!!

  • @sixinafour Would you use your guns and possibly die resisting with force any attempt to unlawfully confiscate your guns?

  • @Freedom21stCenturi

    DAMN RIGHT !!!!!!

    Legislation...Registration... CONFISCATION !

    An armed man is a CITIZEN .... An unarmed man is a subject !

    'Nuff said

  • Well now... All of you neo Nazi fascists out there can rejoice!!! It appears that Canada is now run by your kind. Thank you to all the turncoat MPs that gave their ridings the 'big stiff one'. I hope your disregard for the opinions of the people that put you where you are right now earns you the loss of more than just your jobs.

    Side note:

    After British Columbia scraps the HST, I hope they turn their attention to the long gun registry, and that my province will follow suit on both counts.

  • waste of money,... spend 2 billion on prosecuting and jailing the criminals that use a firearm in the commision of an offense instead... that would send a message to the real problem...... the CRIMINALS....... stop putting law abiding citzens on the firing line!

  • Cannada should have the right to own a gun because they should have an NRA also so they can keep there gun rights.

    THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS!

  • My parents still live in Canada and it looks like they are eventually abolishing this idiotic legislation.

    I live in the USA and they tried gun registries as well. They do nothing. Because, oddly enough, criminals don't seem to want to register their guns.

  • Gun control assholes can just see how it fails in England. Crimes by firearms have increased since the handgun ban. Why are British police "Bobbies" officers carrying firearms and body armour? Wasn't the handgun ban supposed to reduce crimes by firearms? Answer me that ya control dinks!

  • Okay this is really stupid. Criminals are able to get guns easy while the good guys are trying to get one past this completely impossible gun registry. I've been living in ontario for years and i have not been able to see even 1 real gun shop before. They're banning guns from the good guys making it impossible for them to obtain them while it doesn't even faze the bad guys. In fact i think they're even doing better now that its even more impossible for most canadians getting guns the legal way

  • For all you jackass conservative conspiracy theorist nuts out there that suddenly think this is an act of govt to take control over your life and mind by having a gun registry. Go find something better to do. The govt is not going to break down your door looking to disarm you. It has never happened and will not happen as you cannot disarm 30 or 300 million people at a whim. Keep believing the big bad liberal agenda or Illuminati or whatever the fuck you cling to in order to not see your faults.

  • @ToJ01978 Did you listen to the man at all? The man said that it has never helped what so ever. So if it doesn't help than why keep the registry program.

  • @ToJ01978

    I agree it cannot be done on a "whim".

    It takes decades of hard work.

    The antigun forces have some 15 years under their belt and it is time to push the pendulum the other way.

  • @ToJ01978 dude the canadian government banned 58 percent of all handguns and then said ok now every rifle and shotgun has to be registered. So everyone with a rifle or shotgun said oh fuck and two thirds of them didnt register there guns. In fact Im the only person I know who has actually registered all there guns.

  • Its got nothing to do with anything but reveue raising, they know it, but the sheep pay it.

  • @Bristow42 No it has to do with taking them away. Look at the Type 97 Norinco they want to take away, and other guns with registrations that expired they siezed.

  • Hitler used gun control and look what happened. This registry program is used because the government is scared of it's own people. This is logical only if the government has something huge in mind where the people will turn on the government just like what could have happened to Hitler if he never knew where all the guns were. Hitlers guys went house to house confiscating guns before any attack. This is why conservatives should always be in office and never ever should the NDP and the Liberals.

  • @jasonscfr,

    Using Hitler as a scare tactics is pathetic and quite honestly juvenille. Hitler never went door to door to take away guns from Germans. Most people did not own one. Next your going to tell me that because Hitler created public works and Canada supports public works that all public works are fascist. Also, there was public healthcare in nazi Germany. I suppose you must be against that too. Now your going to tell me that Hitler was a socialist therefore socialism is fascism. Idiot.

  • @ToJ01978 No but they did go door to door in Holland using the police registry as a tool to find them.

    Socialsim is not fascisim...............however it is by its nature evil.

  • I think the Americans have it nailed down and bang on. I recently visited the USA for the first time.I love it there. It is truly free! the state of New Hampshire was beautiful and so were the people.

    I felt much safer knowing that there are armed citizens who have chosen to step up and get training to make others around them safe.

    In Canada I have seen first hand three people getting stabbed in street fights and without a weapon to stop the madness I became a spectator trying to call help

  • I think the Americans have it nailed down and bang on. I recently visited the USA for the first time.I love it there. It is truly free! the state of New Hampshire was beautiful and so were the people.

    I felt much safer knowing that there are armed citizens who have chosen to step up and get training to make others around them safe.

    In Canada I have seen first hand three people getting stabbed in street fights and without a weapon to stop the madness I became a spectator trying to call help

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  • Does not matter if it works or not, it's all about the North American Union.

    The NRA is going to take over!!! Harper has been secretly negotiating with the NRA, it's about time our government becomes transparent what they are really doing!!

  • @baglady999 what on earth are you ranting about? The NRA by their very constitution cannot act outside of the United States.  Try some research for a change.

  • Have you hugged a lesbian today? Save the the gay whales!!!

  • @canamwing I have no problem with gays or whales... As long as they like guns!

  • Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns...

  • and it makes sence, because the people that intend to hurt other with guns, chances are the gun wornt be registered in the first place

  • sorry for the few pro gun canadians, the problem is that majority of your population is comprised of brainless liberal fags who are scared of guns.

  • listen people. The registry is a government held inventory. So lets say a law abiding, good guy citizen snaps (use your imagination and yes I know good guys only snap tv...when does shit like that actually happen maybe once a year) kills someone then himself. Congrats the cops know that gun was his. It's good we have a gun registry. Oh wait no that's not all...he has two more locked up at home. Man I'm glad we had that registry. My theory prevent the snap. Buy the guy a coffee...2$ vs billions

  • @chairmcnasty,

    Your comment iscompletely off point. My good friend is a Metro Toronto police officer. If he shows up after a 911 call to a resisdence where a violent crime has been committed it should be considered an asset that he can at least find out if there is going to be firearms in the house and therefore could have been used or may end up being used on himself. This can and does save lives. Go ahead and scrap the registry. Why don't we take off their bullet proof vests while we're at it

  • @ToJ01978

    Your friend is dangerously missinformed.

    The Registry DOE NOT tie a firearm to a specific location.

    End of story.

    Thus my guns could be stored ANYWHERE and be totally legal.

    Your logic however can be used via a licensing system which of course is not up for a vote.

    Then of course we have the fact that over 7 million guns are currently NOT registered and thus do not appear on any check,

    Or does your friend take off his vest if the system says there are no guns.

  • @ToJ01978 Hey, fuck you idiot. Why would we take away their vest? It stops the illegal handgun shots from killing them? Infact spend money on more vest. Cause we are never gonna stop the handguns comin up from USA or the drug trade. With dumb ass liberal fucks like you having a say. Government has no right whatsoever to have any inventory of anybodies things. Not how much gold everyone has, not how many kitchen knives, or tv's or tampons or guns.

  • such a sad thing.why can't it be canada in the 1800s everyone older than 18 can get one if they want one.just make the age 22 or 25 to be legal age for guns.lets make canada into a gun country! where no one would commit a crime cause everyone has a gun...

  • @1988scottcarey Right, because that works so well... I mean, look at the US! What a shining example of how everyone owning guns cuts crime!

  • @decibel333

    Concealed carry DOES work in the USA.

    If you actually take the time to STUDY the data it is quite clear.

    You cannot look at the States as a single entity. If you look at a County by County Basis you soon learn that those areas with higher gun ownership rates have the LOWEST crime rates of all sorts. Those areas with the most harsh laws in terms of gun laws aimed at lawful use have the higher crime rates.

    This is logical considering that those laws to not address criminals

  • @EESASTORM,

    Honestly man, we should not even compare Canada and the US concerning concealed weapons. If we had the crime problems that the US has, particularily concentrated in inner city ghettos, we would all be terrified and carry concealed weapons. The thing is, we do not have that much crime and therefore have no need to have the general populace walking around armed. I would own a gun in Detroit, in Toronto or Hamilton, where I live, it is not needed.

  • @ToJ01978

    I wish I had your skill set in predictions.

    But I will trust you.

    Soo.............will my house have a fire in the next 10 years so I do not need to buy new batteries for my smoke alarms?

    Inquring minds want to know.

  • @EESASTORM,

    So if a cop shows up at a residence and the owner of the house has a registered firearm that cop may actually take into consideration that there might just be a firearm in the house and, if the call is of the violent variety, he may need to take more caution than if he did not have this information.

    As for your fire alarm question, please explain what the fuck you are talking about, I don't speak retarded or whatever language it is your trying unsuccessfully to use.

  • @ToJ01978

    What added information do you have? The gun may or not be there so you know nothing. You can presume if there is a licensed person at the residence that there "Might" be a gun there but you simply cannot know.

    The end result is the billions spent on the registry do not provide any additional information that cannot be found with the LIcensing system.

    RE the firealarm.

    You predict you do not need CCW in toronto. I wonder how you can be so certain. I cannot predict things

  • This is why canada has low crime rate lol

  • I don't care what people say, if I want I can follow a course to get a license and then go to a gunsmith and buy a Mauser M98 lawfully and use it for sport and hunting. The law prevent the dispersion of firearms in our society by attaching a particular firearm to the name of its owner. That's a good thing, because it imposes a responsability about owning a firearm. Problem is that 2 billions $ for that program is just INSANELY incompetent management of public funds.

  • @Juicexlx

    You need a law to make your respoinsible?

    Really? How sad is that? I happen to do the right thing because it is the right thing Laws have nothing to do with it what so ever.

  • @EESASTORM

    You might be doing the right thing, but others won't. If you don't catch my drift, maybe its because you don't know that I am a woman and that I attended and graduated from ECOLE POLYTECHNIQUE DE MONTREAL.

    A psycho, a gun and 14 women dead! Remember ?

    ''How sad is that''? You say?...Well, that's FUCKING SAD and that's what it is !

  • @Juicexlx

    Was I the murder at Polytechnique? Nope

    Was I there? Again nope.

    My daughter is currently entering her third year of University......so the whole concept of such events is close to my heart. However..........As such I have given her the training to be able to better contend with any such event should it occur. A registry does NOT acomplish anything in this regard

    Some relatively simple self defense techniques however can along with some knowledge about firearms.

  • @EESASTORM

    Also sad was the fact that Gamil Gabri was allowed to continue on his murderous efforts with NOBODY trying to stop him.

    The police following the theory of the time just cordoned off the area and let him run amok.

    The real problem was his upbringing and lack of mental health programs.

    Spend money on THOSE and you might have a positive impact.

    Money spent on the registry is a terrible waste of badly needed money.

    

  • Where can I hear both sides?

  • I have thought about our Canadian gun rights & the FACT that we are being restricted & having our God given rights. Rights in the dictionary states "correct in judgment, opinion, or action." The Charter or Rights states "Everyone has the RIGHT to life, liberty & the security of person." Security in the dictionary states "something that secures or makes safe; protection; defense." So why can't we use guns for personal defense?

  • @D33Lux Um, you may want to go read the actual text.

    FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS.

    2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

    (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

    (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

    (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

    (d) freedom of association.

  • Also a huge part of everything that encompasses gun ownership comes down to Responsibility and Reason. Intention also plays a part in gun ownership. Obviously criminals don't get gun licenses because they intend to use that gun to commit crime. If one gets their PAL restricted & non-restricted they should have the choice to use that gun for sport, hunting, home, personal defense including conceal or open carry. Unfortunately we do not & our RIGHTS are infringed.

  • People who believe in gun control are crazy, I'll prove why. If anyone owns a gun, carries a gun on their hip, knows the laws, is responsible to follow the law and even goes for his license is looked upon as a threat, even a possible criminal. Take that same gun place on the hip of a police officer or a military service person and they are Peace keepers & Hero's even though there's hundreds of cases of illegal gun use from the latter. Gun control is not about guns, its about control.

  • hey i'm from kitchener lol i wish all guns here were legal i would be buying sub machine guns m16s shotguns you name it and just hang them up around the house and if anyone with a gun comes up and threatens me i can fight back or if some people invad my house in the middle of the night they would of picked the wrong home to robb! i'm getting sick of mr harper and the government

  • @1988scottcarey How many people have you had come up to your house with a gun? In Kitchener??

  • @decibel333

    How many house fires have YOU personally experienced?

    now.......

    Do you have a fire extinguisher in your home?

    I have several.

  • I think John Evers did a really good job of representing firearms owners. We have a long fight ahead of us still.

  • it would be nice but i doubt it will happen.

  • I wish you folks up north all the best in securing your rights to self defense and the right to bear arms.

  • Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm not as optimistic about it.

  • The rumor goes that registry is going to be used so that the government knows who owns a firearm (useful for gun confiscation). Other than that...it doesn't do crap.

  • when a goverment is trying to disarm its nation it means they are up to no good and that just about sums up every conservative agenda ive ever seen lol

  • @ganjaking187 they are not trying to disarm anyone, the long gun registry is just useless. its not stopping anyone from anything, just costing money...

  • @spiderpig85

    From what Ive heard about the United Nations agenda the gun registry is an early step to an outright ban on all small arms.

    Feel free to google UN small arms and Allan Rock

  • @CanadianReich I dunno about that. Im talking about the long gun registry in canada. its a stupid piece of paper that is useless.

  • Obviously you have never actually read the firearms act.

  • You argue that the long gun registry is a joke and waste of money?

  • Yes I do.

    I was commenting about you saying that they are not trying to disarm anyone.

    If you read the firearms act you will soon learn that they are in fact trying to disarm people..........it just happens to be the good guys.

    I have no problem taking weapons of any sort from criminals.

  • Right on. We're on the same page then.

  • @ganjaking187 i think we're screwed regardless of who's in power.

  • @ganjaking187

    In this case, it was and still is a Liberal agenda in cooperation with IANSA/the Coalition for Gun Control to disarm the Citizens of the UK, Australia and Canada. Crime rates in the UK and Oz went up after they followed through. Canada is only partly finished with mass confiscation from Canadians.

  • @philthygeezer I have heard NOTHING of confiscation .... please enlighten me as to your sources.

  • @decibel333

    Have you not read the text of the current laws?

    The law creates several classes of PROHIBITED firearms.

    Those cannot be sold to "new" owners only those who are grandfathered to own them by virture of having them before the law.

    In the end it will come down to ONE last owner.........when he/she dies all will have been confiscated.

    Of course that has been going on for 15 years. But just this year new issues like the Type 97 have come up proving our point.

  • @ganjaking187 the liberals started all of this and the conservatives want to get rid of it, get your facts straight

  • @ganjaking187 wow your dumb. its the LIEberals idea. kay go fail somewere eles now thanks bye-bye.

  • @ganjaking187 But harper is against the registry.....

  • @MegaPascal31 both the liberals and the conservatives are owned by the same people so either way we are screwed, politics is just show business for ugly people.

  • @ganjaking187 wait, what do you mean?, harper said he wants to have no gun registry, and allow carry permits.

  • @zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx what a politician says and does are 2 different things all parties are corrupt, don't get stuck in the left right paradigm its what they do to keep you confused and stupid if you want freedom take it.

  • @ganjaking187 Im going to have to diagree, Harper has helped out gun owners several times, and let it slide that they didnt register their firearms, and hes akready tried to abolish the gun registry, but he couldnt do it with a minority government.

  • @ganjaking187 The conservatives are the guys who are against the long gun registry.

  • Hey everyone lets ban chainsaws, axes, machetes, meat cleavers, knives, broom handles, hammers, bow & arrows, crossbows, sharpened pencils, scissors, large rocks, chains, straight razors, exacto knives, glass bottles, steel toed boots anyone of these can be used as weapons so let's get rid of them quick. The problem is with the criminal mind, not with the object used in the situation. Stupid politicians once again show their true nature of stupidity.

  • Just try to ban headphone cords or extention wire. Even then, draino and a syringe. And of course....people in numbers >:D

  • a family friend once killed himself with a Ford F150, duct tape and hose that he bought at Home depot.......

    Should we ban duct tape and hose?

  • I bet even more people were killed in F-150's than by garden hoses and duct tape, so ban all cars while you're at it.....

    Oh and swing sets too, people have died on those too you know - they should start a swing set registry so they can know where all the swing sets are, at all times.

    Oh no, stabbing has gone up too, ban kitchen utensils - and can't forget about electricity, very dangerous stuff there lemmie tell you...

    Citizens have the right to defense by any means necessary. Period.

  • @EESASTORM - While you at it ban, crossbows, knives, swords, machetes, axes, chain saws, x-acto knives, razors, scissors, pencils, hammers, screw drivers, bottles, lawn mowers, matches, butane torches, arc welders, cylinder blocks, bricks, 2x4 lumber, baseball bats, rope, steel chains, cars, trucks, gasoline, kerosene, rolling pins for baking, bowling balls, golf clubs, cricket bats, croquet hammer...etc. We all know these incite crimes also. Then will the world be a safer place! lol

  • @D33Lux

    Wait...you forgot to ban ice picks. There I feel safer now.

  • @EESASTORM That's a particularly useless way of approaching this subject ... if a person wants to kill THEMSELVES, they can do it locked in a cell .. just by not eating/drinking.

    Do killers use duct tape and hoses to kill other people in any numbers in your country?? Now, how about hand guns?

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  • @decibel333

    If it is so useless then why do the antis try to use the argument the FIREARM suicide rate has dropped. Of course they ignore the fact that the TOTAL has actually gone up.

    Handguns are EXTREMELY rarely used by lawful people to hurt people. Such that it is statistically insignificant.

  • @EESASTORM That's absurd and you know it. Those items aren't designed to kill, guns are.

  • @BoredomCorner

    Is death by a firearm somehow more dead than without?

    Dead is dead no matter what method is used.

    You seem tho car HOW people die

    I care THAT they die and wish to reduce that number.

    I do not understand how you can be so cold and uncaring.

  • @EESASTORM dont forget the truck

  • @D33Lux Don't forget about banning hands, they could strangle people

  • @stephenharperbest2 dude your my hero!

  • So If a Cop goes to a domestic dispute, he can tell if the home owner(s) has firearms or not. How does the officer know if there is a Pitbull behind the door too? The stats for legal firearms owners committing crimes is extremely low.

  • Actually the registry would not tell an officer if there is a gun in the house or not. The Registry does not tie the gun to a location only to a p erson. I can store my guns ANYWHERE I want and be totally legal. Of cousre it also does nothing at all to track the 13 million guns that were never registered.

  • good call.

  • The liberal party has aimed it's gun control laws at farmers, hunters and collectors. Mostly rural white guys the Liberals have no use for them anyway. The same Liberals have set up refugee status that lets anyone from the 3rd world into this country as long as they are non white. They completely ignore the fact that we are importing our crime from the 3rd world. Hello Jane & Finch crime capital of Canada. Thank you very much Pierre Trudeau & the corrupt brain dead liberal party.

  • I am so glad I didn't registar any of my firearms.

  • @qwuad61 - I have a question. I am totally opposed to the registry because all it is, is a list for them to know where to go to confiscate your guns. This is the primary reason I have not gone to get my license. I don't want to be enforced with their illegal policies. If you have your license, purchase a gun & don't register can you be arrested? Is it illegal? Thanks

  • There are so many people that have not registered firearms or only registered some that it is impossible to police. Nothing is impossible but with bill c-68 going down the shitter in a big way I would't worry about it. best regards.

  • You can always "borrow" a gun and be totally legal.

  • By "borrow" a gun are you being serious or sarcastic? I don't want a stolen gun if that's what you mean, & I don't know anyone who owns one who would let me borrow theirs. If I use it they will get into trouble. I wouldn't be irresponsible with it, I would like to go hunting or to a range, the very few we have left (Thanks harper). I spoke to my friend tonight, looks like enough people are against the registry so it looks like they're going to scrap it. Then I'm getting my license. No watch list

  • Anyone with a license can borrow a gun from anyone else with a license as long as at least a copy of the reg cert travels with it.

    That is why the very notion that the registry lets police know "where the guns are" is just to much BS>

  • NRA needs to come to Canada. Help us defend our rights.

  • Well this post just goes to show that you have a bit to learn about the situation.

    1) The NRA Charter spells out in quite clear terms that they CANNOT work outside of the USA. So not only WILL they not come to help but they CANNOT come to help directly.

    2) the image of the NRA in Canada outside of the shooting community is almost 100% negative. To change that would require too much energy that would be best directed elsewhere.

    3) The NRA is sort of busy right now with their own fight.

  • Sooooo you have really two choices.

    1) do nothing but sit by and pray the the NRA comes to the rescue (are you even a member? I am.)

    2) Join a Canadian Gun rights group like CSSA and HELP!

  • What I meant by that is we need one large organized group. We have several small groups who have horrible web pages that are updated rarely. What I think should happen is they all join together under a name that doesn't associate with NRA because of its negative image in Canada. We really need more unity, which is what Americans have (on this issue anyways) because of the NRA. Close to a third of Canadians own guns, that is a large enough group to fund a well organized group.

  • The USA has many many groups as well. As Sandi Froman (ex pres ) of the NRA said when she was in Canada. ..."The NRA is not large because it is successful. It is successful because it is large.

  • Well that's what I mean. Why are there so many groups? Isn't there a common interest in protecting our rights that should unite everyone?

  • It is actually quite easy to understand when you think about it. Gun owners in general tend to be independant thinkers......that means organizing them is as they say like "herding cats".

  • We have the NFA , the CSSA and the CASD among others. If your a Canadian that believes in your right to own guns and self defence then you should get off your ass and join these groups, these people are fighting for our rights. Join the fight, donate money, get behind your organization. There is power in numbers. Join before its too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I could not agree more.

  • th first guys doesn't know how to speak

  • If they are not using guns there using baseball bats. Guns bans alone are not enough.

  • Banning ANYTHING but criminal activity does not work.

    Banning objects is a fools game.

    Which is why Liberals love it.

  • The majority doesn't understand politics to any degree, the don't understand the Liberal agenda. VOTE CONSERVATIVE!

  • i want my guns

  • Way to go Canadian patriots!

  • ;and our Gun Registry has registered a soldering gun, perhaps they should learn what a firearm is

  • join the CSSA & NRA!

  • we can charge cuckier

  • good video

  • Finally, Canadians are standing up and telling the WHOLE TRUTH, not lies like the liberals and the CFGC.

    Open debate Wendy Cukier? Didn't think so. You're lies dont stand up to truth, and facts.

  • Who is that good looking guy!

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