AND I'M NOT A TRINITARIAN. BUT JESUS IS CERTAINLY MORE THAN AN ARCH- ANGEL AS THE STUPID WATCHTOWER WITNESSES BELIEVE.AND MORE THAN YOU WANT TO READ FROM THE BIBLE.
1)NO THE DISCIPLE DO NOT RECEIVE THE SAME GLORY AS JC SITS ON THE THRONE OF GOD ALONG WITH HIS HIS HIS FATHER. WHEREAS THE DISCIPLES AT VE SITS ON THE THRONE OF JESUS.(REV 3:21)
2) BUT REVELATION 3.21 SHOWS US THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS- AND SORRY TO BE SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN -DOES NOT SHOW JESUS TO BE ALMIGHTY AND THEREFORE GOD BECAUSE OF WHAT???? WHO EVER REIGNS FROM THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN MUST BE GOD-PERIOD.
JESUS IS BEING WORSHIPPED ALONG WITH HIS FATHER(REV 5:11-14)
NOW YOU TRYING TO EVADE MY ARGUMENTS LIKE YOU ACCUSE THE TRINITARIAN TO DO :
SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN (rev 3:21) AND BEING WORSHIPPED ALONG WITH HIS FATHER(rev.5:11-14)-IT TAKES MUCH OBSTINACY STILL TO MAINTAIN JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD.
@Ni1234ckA Like I said you don't see the implications of your own words.
"WHO EVER REIGNS FROM THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN MUST BE GOD."
You claim Jesus is that God and you acknowledge disciples sit on the same throne as Jesus. Since you insist that whoever reigns from the throne of God must be God and since you insist Jesus is that God then you should be able to see your problem.
BTW, there's aren't 2 thrones. Jesus' throne upon which the faithful sit is the throne of his Father.
1)YES, THERE ARE 2 :with me in MY throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in HIS .
2) THE DISCIPLE ARE PROMISSED TO BE SITTING ON JESUS AND NOT ON GOD'S THRONE.
BUT YOU STILL EVADING TO REFUTE THE STATEMENT :JESUS IS SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD AND IS BEING WORSHIPPED WITH HIS FATHER. CONCLUSION:THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD. IF YOU STILL CAN'T REFUTE THE CONCLUSION DERIVED FROM THIS TWO VERSES FOR THE TIME BEING THEN SAY SO.
1. Are you suggesting Jesus' throne & God's throne are 2 different things? Same throne.
2. As for worship, read this & maybe you will start to get it.
Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless YAHWEH your God." So all the assembly blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed their heads and worshiped (shachah/proskuneo) YAHWEH and the King.... Then Solomon sat on the throne of YAHWEH as king instead of David his father." 1 Chron 29:20-23.
Thanks, brother Kel, for your perseverance on this matter. Though I was one of the multitude who grew up in a trinitarian environment, I never knew the degree to which church leaders took liberties with scriptural interpretation to support the belief. God bless you, my friend.
AND I'M NOT A TRINITARIAN. BUT JESUS IS CERTAINLY MORE THAN AN ARCH- ANGEL AS THE STUPID WATCHTOWER WITNESSES BELIEVE.AND MORE THAN YOU WANT TO READ FROM THE BIBLE.
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
1)NO THE DISCIPLE DO NOT RECEIVE THE SAME GLORY AS JC SITS ON THE THRONE OF GOD ALONG WITH HIS HIS HIS FATHER. WHEREAS THE DISCIPLES AT VE SITS ON THE THRONE OF JESUS.(REV 3:21)
2) BUT REVELATION 3.21 SHOWS US THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS- AND SORRY TO BE SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN -DOES NOT SHOW JESUS TO BE ALMIGHTY AND THEREFORE GOD BECAUSE OF WHAT???? WHO EVER REIGNS FROM THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN MUST BE GOD-PERIOD.
JESUS IS BEING WORSHIPPED ALONG WITH HIS FATHER(REV 5:11-14)
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
@Ni1234ckA "DO NOT RECEIVE THE SAME GLORY"
"the glory which You gave Me I have given them" John 17:22."
God put a crucified man on his throne. And you probably didn't notice but you just argued that Jesus' disciples will be God because he is.
TheTrinityDelusion 2 months ago
@TheTrinityDelusion THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK ANSWER.
NOW YOU TRYING TO EVADE MY ARGUMENTS LIKE YOU ACCUSE THE TRINITARIAN TO DO :
SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN (rev 3:21) AND BEING WORSHIPPED ALONG WITH HIS FATHER(rev.5:11-14)-IT TAKES MUCH OBSTINACY STILL TO MAINTAIN JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD.
STILL WAITING FOR YOUR REFUTATION!!!!!
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
@TheTrinityDelusion
NO I DINDNT MAKE GOD(S) OF THE DISCPLES. SINCE THERE IS NO VERSE STATING THAT THE DISCIPLE WILL BE SITTING ON THE SAME THRONE GOD IS SITTING.
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
@Ni1234ckA Like I said you don't see the implications of your own words.
"WHO EVER REIGNS FROM THE THRONE OF GOD IN HEAVEN MUST BE GOD."
You claim Jesus is that God and you acknowledge disciples sit on the same throne as Jesus. Since you insist that whoever reigns from the throne of God must be God and since you insist Jesus is that God then you should be able to see your problem.
BTW, there's aren't 2 thrones. Jesus' throne upon which the faithful sit is the throne of his Father.
TheTrinityDelusion 2 months ago
@TheTrinityDelusion
1)YES, THERE ARE 2 :with me in MY throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in HIS .
2) THE DISCIPLE ARE PROMISSED TO BE SITTING ON JESUS AND NOT ON GOD'S THRONE.
BUT YOU STILL EVADING TO REFUTE THE STATEMENT :JESUS IS SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD AND IS BEING WORSHIPPED WITH HIS FATHER. CONCLUSION:THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD. IF YOU STILL CAN'T REFUTE THE CONCLUSION DERIVED FROM THIS TWO VERSES FOR THE TIME BEING THEN SAY SO.
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
@Ni1234ckA
1. Are you suggesting Jesus' throne & God's throne are 2 different things? Same throne.
2. As for worship, read this & maybe you will start to get it.
Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless YAHWEH your God." So all the assembly blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed their heads and worshiped (shachah/proskuneo) YAHWEH and the King.... Then Solomon sat on the throne of YAHWEH as king instead of David his father." 1 Chron 29:20-23.
TheTrinityDelusion 2 months ago
@TheTrinityDelusion
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR OUICK RESPONSE.
1) YES. REV 3 Suggests So TO ME REV SHOWS THERE ARE 2 THRONES:"MY" Thore" and "HIS" IT DOESNT SAY "OUR"
2) NOW YOU USE 1. Chron 29:20-23 A VERSE I LEARNED WHEN I WAS A JEHOVAS WITNESSES
.QUESTIONS:.
A) ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT DAVID WAS REALY WORSHIPPED?
B) DO YOU REALY WANT TO EQUALIZE A MATERIAL THRONE ON EARTH ON WHICH THE BIBLE NEVER REPORTS THAT YHWH HAS EVER SAT ON IT WITH HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN?
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
@TheTrinityDelusion
C) WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT DAVID SAT ALONG WITH YHWH ON THE SAME THRONE?
Ni1234ckA 2 months ago
"The New Testament teaching upon the subject of
the Trinity is not given in the scriptures.
Reliance is NOT to be placed upon the passages
in 1 Tim. 3:16; and 1 John 5:7 -
which are commonly regarded by competent critics
as spurious(false-forgery/inserted at a later time)."
-New Unger's Bible Dictionary
vuyou123 10 months ago
Thanks, brother Kel, for your perseverance on this matter. Though I was one of the multitude who grew up in a trinitarian environment, I never knew the degree to which church leaders took liberties with scriptural interpretation to support the belief. God bless you, my friend.
doubtlessbrothers 1 year ago