When i first learned this we didn't look at this as a compliance/submission technique. The main focus was this was a break/limb destruction primary and move to a position to prepare for multiple opponents scenario. Also when the balance is broken you can execute a leg break. The points that has to be observed is break the limb if you have to & break the balance of the opponent. There are other things involved that the vid cannot show due to shot angle and the viewer is not applying.
This technique seems to work ok at 0:35, but at 0:39 what is keeping him from just freeing his arm while you take the time to step over him? I mean it's not like you are directly holding on to him, you're just grabbing your own arm. His arm was just hanging there for no reason.
Thanks for posting this. As Bujinkan practitioner that is one of my favourite techniques, and I know it isn't easy to post a video since it is required to be pretty much form perfect.
I don't have anything to say about the technique, there are of course variations but that was pretty good. I agree that stronger finnish should be shown, as that is how we train.
In these videos it's often good to show it first slow and clear, then show another faster real life application, this is how I would do.
as for the arm that goes under; the crook of the defender's arm (inside of elbow) should be just beside the elbow of the attacker towards his shoulder. the defender's wrist will be connected with attackers wrist on other arm. Your hands clasp, then you rotate clockwise with a dipping motion to get maximum leverage. This will force the attacker to go on his tippytoes and arch his back. Swing back counter clockwise as you kick the closest leg to you , behind the knee, downward with great force
There has been a lot of helpful criticism regarding this video and I am glad people are able to voice their opinions/experiences/methods on here without being antagonizing or rude and for that we are grateful. This is why they are posted and why such comments going against what we're demonstrating is allowed to remain and not censored. That being said, the reason why Sensei Kuma was standing over during the demonstration was because he was more focused on what led up to that point. That's -
@Octocorp (continued): That's all. Yes the technique should have finished with a mount, or a better demonstrated finish/follow up but that was simply overlooked. Thank you guys for bringing this to the attention of others just in case new viewers completely emulate this technique!
i think you shpuld have him seriously try to touc hyou with his hand s=to ad realism he dos exactly wath he is supposed to do but in a real fight he might aim at anoter spot be faster or try to getl oose from the kudaki
@maarhoefe You're absolutely right. Since this was a demonstration, he has all the time in the world to grip his gi in a manner that is controlled and able to be demonstrated and viewed by onlookers.
Pretty good, technique although I have one Word of encouragement. by adjusting your body position you can encapasitate your enemy. and throw them by simple body movement.
I would just like to add that in oni kudaki as well as musha dori. That although you rotate the shoulder in order to break it/sprain it or injure it. The shoulder should also be pulled outward pulling the it from the socket a bit as well as damaging and stretching the muscle in that direction as well. So you can damage it in two ways.
@Frankykarot1982 "show off" so you are implying we actually have something to show and boast about, therefor canceling your own comment. Why don't you go train instead of being a armchair martial artist. At least we have the balls to do this. you talk shit behind a veil of anonymity...real ninja bro.
@ninjutsuHH yeah, whith the way i showed the HENKA, the tori was supposed to TAKE the punches to the head like a man so he can stick the technique. a few blows to the head aint gonna hurt that bad, never bothered me in the fights i been in. When you fight, expect to get hit. Or are you some super hero ninja who gets in fights and never gets hit and applies everything with the precision of a machine? Again, another armchair martialartist....ninjers...pfff
@ninpodude1 Thank you for this reply. It was informative, it added to and built onto the concept being showed, and best of all it was not negative. thank you.
@gt500cowboy HAHAHA god i wish i could take tito...or how about ken shamrock? yeah i can take on tito ortiz, ken shamrock, and kimbo slice all at once.
@Moviebro see, the technique is good enough for ppl to reckognize it as a technique from kihon happo. there's nothing wrong with my friggin technique. i did it a little lazy, yes. I was hung over...sheesh.
It seems that other people I have seen would have actually stepped in, put an arm over INSIDE the elbow, and put the other hand on the outside of the opponent's wrist to perform the Oni Kudaki. Is this a different take on the same technique, or a different one all together?
I know what your saying, you use a arc motion with the hand while pressing on your forearm to perform the technique right?If thats the one, its different from an Oni Kudaki. I have seen the technique you speak of in Takeda Ryu Aikijutsu. That uses the same mechanics but its from a different origin.
do you mean "Musha Dori"? or "Musso Dori"?...Musha Dori is similar to Onikudaki in that it is hyper flexing the shoulder, but the direction of your intention and energy is completely different.
@BushidoBudo9000 what you explained there is Mussodori, you use and arc motion inward to your bellybutton area applying pressurejust above the elbow with the arm levered on your shoulder.
On top of that, Oni Kudaki is when you preform that technique when you are on the inside of the attacker (torso to torso). The one you speak of is when you block and you are on the outside of him.
That is still Oni Kudaki. It is just a henka (variation). At least that's the what I was taught. I personally think they should be considered different techniques because your intention and energy is moving in a very different way. The name for what you described is "Omoteonikudaki". the one showed here is "Uraonikudaki"
Good point, however if I recall, my leg was jammed by his, I think any attempt to knee him in the testis, effective as it may be, would be easily checked with his right leg and movement in that kind of arm bar would help him pop out the shoulder. I think you're right though, just depending on the footing.
@Octocorp if he tried to kick me hed just kick me in the ass, or flail his legs. there's not enough room to move and deff not enough to generate damage power.
In this example the attacker is pulling you in towards him to hit you (as opposed to stiff arming you to keep distance). So he not only willingly bends his arm, but he bends it with force, making it even easier to trap the arm. Again this is a henka (variation) based on an actual experience I had some years ago while working security at a bar.
I see. Thanks for explaining this. I think it answers the question I was about to ask:
What happens of the person on the left were to let go and extend his gripping arm right as the right person went in for the lock? It seems he could just slip out before the lock was finished. However, if you're saying that the Oni Kudaki is used when the opponent is pulling you in, then he wouldn't have time to extend his elbow. In that case, the move makes perfect sense.
SenseiKuma, I theorise about what damage I could do if I ran over someone with a steam roller. But, if I couldn't get that person to lay still whilst I drove over them, the technique wouldn't work for me.
slapupchrist are you the guy who does the bujinkult videos? I love those! I'm ex bujinkan. I only teach the basic stuff because there are alot of people interested in it. and SOME of the techniques work, but those techniques are really just jujutsu techniques and they need to be put into context. "put into context" meaning you have to be able to pull them off while being pummeled in the face and the guy you are doing it on needs to be drunk off his ass whist you are sober.
another context it can be put in is after you bust some guy's snot box open by hitting him mid sentence out of nowhere , stomped on his head a couple of times (making sure to keep your all blue Chucks clean), while he is convulsing on the floor from head trauma. THEN you can walk over, and break his shoulder with this technique. Insult to injury? yes. Effective and able to be applied? yes.
SenseiKuma, hi there. No, I am not the guy who does the Bujinkan vids, but a lot of people think I am because I comment a lot on those videos and Bujinkult never replies to anything. But, I AM NOT BUJINKULT. Not that I care if people think I am... Your comments about how to get these techniques to work were funny. I understand that it is just jujutsu and I know that some of it is mechanically possible. What I keep saying, though, is that this stuff doesn't work AGAINST RESISTANCE. So, it's shit.
well, it would work against resistance in a full mount against a weak guard. Do you disagree with this? I teach from a mount in advanced level. But in the beginning i teach it like this. The problem is students mistaking examples for reality. It's like a boxing coach teaching a boxer a right jab, then the boxer goes out and starts a fight doing nothing but right jabs. It just isn't going to work. The opponent will figure it out quickly and lay waste to the poor sap. NO ONE is going give it to u
SenseiKuma, I agree that oni kudaki can work from a amount. I've practiced it. In fact, we used to do all the kihon happo from the ground. My point is that techniques like oni kudaki, musso dori, musha dori, omote gyaku, ura gyaku and take ori are trained in the Bujinkan in an unrealistic way and they are reliant on a lack of resistance to GETTING THE TECHNIQUE ON IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just because these techniques work mechanically, doesn't make them practical in a fight.
"...are trained in the Bujinkan in an unrealistic way and they are reliant on a lack of resistance to GETTING THE TECHNIQUE ON IN THE FIRST PLACE" - This is why we train with resistance, to make the "ideal" seem more "realistic." However the only way to truly practice is to get into a real fight. "Typical Buj bullshit. This kind of thing only works when uke is cooperating. Ninjers... LOL!!!" - glad we could finally derive a sensible argument from one of you. We appreciate your comments.
So do you think the kihon happo, or parts of it are worth practicing from mount then? Instead of practicing them with the "leave your arm hanging out from a lunging punch"-Buj method? If so, then what parts of it are useful? Do you think any training at all is useful? Is it better to rely on instinct,cunning, and conviction instead of "traditional training"? You know all the altercations i've ever been in were nothing like anything i saw in my years of training. not even close really.
Isnt the point of Ninjutsu training not to simply show you how and when to attack or defend in set examples but more to teach you everything about the bodys strengths and weaknesses, improve your reflexes and more importantly teach you how to use your body. This is how it differs from training in arts like Karate. It will never happen the way you trained for it.
an oni kudaki variation from the mount or gaurd is just a kimura..standing oni kudaki would work great if youve already loosened up a guy with punches and then he throws a slppy hook. its common. you block it with the inside hand and slide the back hand through for a good oni kudaki...as far as street application goes.
also, if your talking about street application, i would stay off of the ground as much as possible...let alone struggle to get a kimura on a guy. if ive managed to take him down, great, now all i need to do is knee him in the face and temple 2 or 3 times and i win the fight.
I doubt anything that is taught in any dojo (aside from rolling) is reflected to what is applied in the real world. What's good about this type of training is that it familiarizes the student/practitioner with joint manipulation and may possibly provide options should there ever exist an altercation. It won't be ideal, but the idea is to not get caught off guard. People take things too literally. Good point junkahoolik.
There are always openings. You need to do the technique quickly and relentlessly. All I can say is it worked for me at the time, and i didn't get hit at all.
poepertjuh1 you are so wrong! There are two versions and Sensei did it absolutely correct. The way he did it is actually more complicated than the more popular version. Please go acctually study something about Ninjutsu. Your knowledge is very lacking. Good job sensei.
okay i tried replying once and it didn't seem to show so i'll try again. The correct romaji spelling is "Oni Kudaki" which tranlates into "demon crush". This is not the kihon happo waza i'm doing, it's a variation that i used in real life and it worked (i've stated this a few times already). so i'm not doing it "wrong". Strength wouldn't matter because this technique is all about timing , distance, and angle. My opponent had no time to even utilize his strength. He didn't even know what hit him.
no need to apologize. This is youtube. If i'm putting videos of myself up i should be full aware that i'm going to get critisism along with people making fun of me or putting me down. Most of these videos don't do me or my student any justice. You really can't show the true feeling of a technique through a video.
I know nothing about ninjutsu, but I practice aikido. To me the technique looks like a reverse of what I call ude garami (arm entanglement) which is very effective. I can't wait to get on the mat and play with this version. Very interesting!
Didyou learn this technique from our videos? if so I'd like to thank you for watching and telling these bashing critics that you used the technique (against a high ranked dan) and it was effective.
these people who are negative that the technique is sloppy or inproperly executed. I have news for them. Real fights ARE sloppy. the 2 points of taijutsu are: avoidance, and
u don't know ninjutsu, so u say this. This is an incredible technique. The person who train me, have attacked me with a knife, and with this technique, i've defended myself: he is 23 years old and is a dan, and i'm 17 and i have a green belt
This henka I showed is based on an actual experience I had working at a bar. a guy grabbed me to hit me, and swung. I performed this technique (of course faster and harder) and it worked. So it in fact does not suck. It works (at least it did for me at that time). Maybe it's not based on your Bujinkan rules. I do what I have to, and it worked in that situation. How about some positive critisism? What would you like to see done better?
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Are you implying that I should rotate my upper body(or whole body) more to torque his shoulder? If that is the case then you are right if I was trying to show the original or basic waza. This is a henka where I don't have time or space to move so much, so I manage to pull it off by rotating his elbow upward and kicking the back of his knee downward. It achieved the desired effect. I understand what you are getting at, though,in retrospect.
absolutely. i've actually used this technique while working the club scene. it was used on a hostile drunk that stole from the tip jar and assaulted a bar tender. it worked like a charm. i didn't break anything of his that i know of, and it was a henka , or variation of the technique.
Gotcha. This was done way before we had our better equipment. Somes kids saw us training at a park and asked if they can get some demos and filmed, that's why you hear the weird whispering. We're probably going to go over the kihon happo in better detail by the end of the month (which is why I asked if our technique was poor since we don't want to show the wrong stuff...) Thanks for your comments!
You guys make it look so easy! I'd really like to learn stuff like this. You did such a good job explaining what you were doing that I can sorta figure out how to do it just by watching! o.O post more!
that's wrong. it is not done like that. sorry
gekiryudojo 4 months ago
When i first learned this we didn't look at this as a compliance/submission technique. The main focus was this was a break/limb destruction primary and move to a position to prepare for multiple opponents scenario. Also when the balance is broken you can execute a leg break. The points that has to be observed is break the limb if you have to & break the balance of the opponent. There are other things involved that the vid cannot show due to shot angle and the viewer is not applying.
TenchiBushi 9 months ago
This technique seems to work ok at 0:35, but at 0:39 what is keeping him from just freeing his arm while you take the time to step over him? I mean it's not like you are directly holding on to him, you're just grabbing your own arm. His arm was just hanging there for no reason.
JHDiddles12 11 months ago
ohhhhhhhhhhhh very good
TheRYU79 11 months ago
Thanks for posting this. As Bujinkan practitioner that is one of my favourite techniques, and I know it isn't easy to post a video since it is required to be pretty much form perfect.
I don't have anything to say about the technique, there are of course variations but that was pretty good. I agree that stronger finnish should be shown, as that is how we train.
In these videos it's often good to show it first slow and clear, then show another faster real life application, this is how I would do.
crystoll 1 year ago
kids, don't try this against someone who isn't actively trying to make you look cool...
ucihapokujin 1 year ago
Thanx. I'll continue to study the Inifinite Fundamentals (Kihon Happo) to get a good taijutsu foundation. Appreciate it.
Ryutobi 1 year ago
so one hand apparently blocks, the other goes under and over the elbow and hands clasp and apply the lock immediately right?
Ryutobi 1 year ago
as for the arm that goes under; the crook of the defender's arm (inside of elbow) should be just beside the elbow of the attacker towards his shoulder. the defender's wrist will be connected with attackers wrist on other arm. Your hands clasp, then you rotate clockwise with a dipping motion to get maximum leverage. This will force the attacker to go on his tippytoes and arch his back. Swing back counter clockwise as you kick the closest leg to you , behind the knee, downward with great force
SenseiKuma 1 year ago
There has been a lot of helpful criticism regarding this video and I am glad people are able to voice their opinions/experiences/methods on here without being antagonizing or rude and for that we are grateful. This is why they are posted and why such comments going against what we're demonstrating is allowed to remain and not censored. That being said, the reason why Sensei Kuma was standing over during the demonstration was because he was more focused on what led up to that point. That's -
Octocorp 1 year ago
@Octocorp (continued): That's all. Yes the technique should have finished with a mount, or a better demonstrated finish/follow up but that was simply overlooked. Thank you guys for bringing this to the attention of others just in case new viewers completely emulate this technique!
Octocorp 1 year ago
i think you shpuld have him seriously try to touc hyou with his hand s=to ad realism he dos exactly wath he is supposed to do but in a real fight he might aim at anoter spot be faster or try to getl oose from the kudaki
maarhoefe 1 year ago
@maarhoefe You're absolutely right. Since this was a demonstration, he has all the time in the world to grip his gi in a manner that is controlled and able to be demonstrated and viewed by onlookers.
Octocorp 1 year ago
@maarhoefe we are going to do all of the kihon happo in thier most basic form. Including the waza of Onikudaki
N0buhide 1 year ago
Pretty good, technique although I have one Word of encouragement. by adjusting your body position you can encapasitate your enemy. and throw them by simple body movement.
7NEMISIS 1 year ago
Ummmm, how about just doing Taijutsu? That in itself is an art.
Biglug13 1 year ago
@Biglug13 what does that even mean?
N0buhide 1 year ago
I would just like to add that in oni kudaki as well as musha dori. That although you rotate the shoulder in order to break it/sprain it or injure it. The shoulder should also be pulled outward pulling the it from the socket a bit as well as damaging and stretching the muscle in that direction as well. So you can damage it in two ways.
ninpodude1 2 years ago
wrong implacement of hands, stupid idea of moving since he can punch continuesly, no taisabaki,
is there anyone out there who knows ninjutsu???
99 % are doing something wrong out there
ninjutsuHH 2 years ago
I thought the same, serious, that would be a stupid move, also, the atacker was still in perfect balance since there was no use of kamae.
Most people who actually know Ninjutsu dont show off on youtube.
Jackasses who will likely get killed like to put videos explaining ''TRADITIONAL NINJUTSU''
Frankykarot1982 2 years ago
@Frankykarot1982 "show off" so you are implying we actually have something to show and boast about, therefor canceling your own comment. Why don't you go train instead of being a armchair martial artist. At least we have the balls to do this. you talk shit behind a veil of anonymity...real ninja bro.
N0buhide 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH yeah, whith the way i showed the HENKA, the tori was supposed to TAKE the punches to the head like a man so he can stick the technique. a few blows to the head aint gonna hurt that bad, never bothered me in the fights i been in. When you fight, expect to get hit. Or are you some super hero ninja who gets in fights and never gets hit and applies everything with the precision of a machine? Again, another armchair martialartist....ninjers...pfff
N0buhide 1 year ago
@ninpodude1 Thank you for this reply. It was informative, it added to and built onto the concept being showed, and best of all it was not negative. thank you.
N0buhide 1 year ago
I remember learning that technique from my last class :D.
Cept i sucked and i need more training :p.
hazza3 2 years ago
that guy could take tito ortiz
gt500cowboy 2 years ago
@gt500cowboy HAHAHA god i wish i could take tito...or how about ken shamrock? yeah i can take on tito ortiz, ken shamrock, and kimbo slice all at once.
N0buhide 1 year ago
Demon Crusher! Learned this for the first time my last class. I am a brand new student of Bujinkan and I love everything about it.
Moviebro 2 years ago
@Moviebro see, the technique is good enough for ppl to reckognize it as a technique from kihon happo. there's nothing wrong with my friggin technique. i did it a little lazy, yes. I was hung over...sheesh.
N0buhide 1 year ago
It seems that other people I have seen would have actually stepped in, put an arm over INSIDE the elbow, and put the other hand on the outside of the opponent's wrist to perform the Oni Kudaki. Is this a different take on the same technique, or a different one all together?
FutureMoth 2 years ago
I know what your saying, you use a arc motion with the hand while pressing on your forearm to perform the technique right?If thats the one, its different from an Oni Kudaki. I have seen the technique you speak of in Takeda Ryu Aikijutsu. That uses the same mechanics but its from a different origin.
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago
Actually, I think it might have just been a two-handed Musho Dori mislabled as Oni Kudaki. Is that possible?
FutureMoth 2 years ago
I don't think so. The Musho Doir I have seen are elbow locks which apply pressure to that joint.
Oni kudaki in this video and others are like this, put pressure on the shoulder by some kind of forward motion on your forearm.
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago
do you mean "Musha Dori"? or "Musso Dori"?...Musha Dori is similar to Onikudaki in that it is hyper flexing the shoulder, but the direction of your intention and energy is completely different.
SenseiKuma 2 years ago
@BushidoBudo9000 yes Mushadori applies hyper flexion to bothe the elbow and the shoulder by sending your intention upward.
N0buhide 1 year ago
@FutureMoth are you saying Mushadori or Mussodori?
N0buhide 1 year ago
@BushidoBudo9000 what you explained there is Mussodori, you use and arc motion inward to your bellybutton area applying pressurejust above the elbow with the arm levered on your shoulder.
N0buhide 1 year ago
On top of that, Oni Kudaki is when you preform that technique when you are on the inside of the attacker (torso to torso). The one you speak of is when you block and you are on the outside of him.
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago
That is still Oni Kudaki. It is just a henka (variation). At least that's the what I was taught. I personally think they should be considered different techniques because your intention and energy is moving in a very different way. The name for what you described is "Omoteonikudaki". the one showed here is "Uraonikudaki"
SenseiKuma 2 years ago
Rule number 1 : you NEVER stand over someone like that.
I was taught that within the first lesson I ever took - your testicles are open for a booting !
HoldFire100 2 years ago
Good point, however if I recall, my leg was jammed by his, I think any attempt to knee him in the testis, effective as it may be, would be easily checked with his right leg and movement in that kind of arm bar would help him pop out the shoulder. I think you're right though, just depending on the footing.
Octocorp 2 years ago
@Octocorp if he tried to kick me hed just kick me in the ass, or flail his legs. there's not enough room to move and deff not enough to generate damage power.
N0buhide 1 year ago
@Octocorp Actually you never stand over someone like that because you're off balanced and easily countered.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku you are absolutely right. i should have been in mount or squatting. I don't know what the hell i was thinking that day.
N0buhide 1 year ago
In this example the attacker is pulling you in towards him to hit you (as opposed to stiff arming you to keep distance). So he not only willingly bends his arm, but he bends it with force, making it even easier to trap the arm. Again this is a henka (variation) based on an actual experience I had some years ago while working security at a bar.
SenseiKuma 2 years ago
I see. Thanks for explaining this. I think it answers the question I was about to ask:
What happens of the person on the left were to let go and extend his gripping arm right as the right person went in for the lock? It seems he could just slip out before the lock was finished. However, if you're saying that the Oni Kudaki is used when the opponent is pulling you in, then he wouldn't have time to extend his elbow. In that case, the move makes perfect sense.
FutureMoth 2 years ago
I use the same move to make my wives to the dishes.
yumYumgwy 3 years ago 2
Lol. Clearly it has many more than just self defense purposes.
Octocorp 3 years ago
SenseiKuma, I theorise about what damage I could do if I ran over someone with a steam roller. But, if I couldn't get that person to lay still whilst I drove over them, the technique wouldn't work for me.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
Do you really theorize about that? lol
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
lol
Octocorp 3 years ago
Typical Buj bullshit. This kind of thing only works when uke is cooperating. Ninjers... LOL!!!
slapupchrist 3 years ago
slapupchrist are you the guy who does the bujinkult videos? I love those! I'm ex bujinkan. I only teach the basic stuff because there are alot of people interested in it. and SOME of the techniques work, but those techniques are really just jujutsu techniques and they need to be put into context. "put into context" meaning you have to be able to pull them off while being pummeled in the face and the guy you are doing it on needs to be drunk off his ass whist you are sober.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
another context it can be put in is after you bust some guy's snot box open by hitting him mid sentence out of nowhere , stomped on his head a couple of times (making sure to keep your all blue Chucks clean), while he is convulsing on the floor from head trauma. THEN you can walk over, and break his shoulder with this technique. Insult to injury? yes. Effective and able to be applied? yes.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
SenseiKuma, hi there. No, I am not the guy who does the Bujinkan vids, but a lot of people think I am because I comment a lot on those videos and Bujinkult never replies to anything. But, I AM NOT BUJINKULT. Not that I care if people think I am... Your comments about how to get these techniques to work were funny. I understand that it is just jujutsu and I know that some of it is mechanically possible. What I keep saying, though, is that this stuff doesn't work AGAINST RESISTANCE. So, it's shit.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
well, it would work against resistance in a full mount against a weak guard. Do you disagree with this? I teach from a mount in advanced level. But in the beginning i teach it like this. The problem is students mistaking examples for reality. It's like a boxing coach teaching a boxer a right jab, then the boxer goes out and starts a fight doing nothing but right jabs. It just isn't going to work. The opponent will figure it out quickly and lay waste to the poor sap. NO ONE is going give it to u
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
SenseiKuma, I agree that oni kudaki can work from a amount. I've practiced it. In fact, we used to do all the kihon happo from the ground. My point is that techniques like oni kudaki, musso dori, musha dori, omote gyaku, ura gyaku and take ori are trained in the Bujinkan in an unrealistic way and they are reliant on a lack of resistance to GETTING THE TECHNIQUE ON IN THE FIRST PLACE. Just because these techniques work mechanically, doesn't make them practical in a fight.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
"...are trained in the Bujinkan in an unrealistic way and they are reliant on a lack of resistance to GETTING THE TECHNIQUE ON IN THE FIRST PLACE" - This is why we train with resistance, to make the "ideal" seem more "realistic." However the only way to truly practice is to get into a real fight. "Typical Buj bullshit. This kind of thing only works when uke is cooperating. Ninjers... LOL!!!" - glad we could finally derive a sensible argument from one of you. We appreciate your comments.
Octocorp 3 years ago
So do you think the kihon happo, or parts of it are worth practicing from mount then? Instead of practicing them with the "leave your arm hanging out from a lunging punch"-Buj method? If so, then what parts of it are useful? Do you think any training at all is useful? Is it better to rely on instinct,cunning, and conviction instead of "traditional training"? You know all the altercations i've ever been in were nothing like anything i saw in my years of training. not even close really.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
Isnt the point of Ninjutsu training not to simply show you how and when to attack or defend in set examples but more to teach you everything about the bodys strengths and weaknesses, improve your reflexes and more importantly teach you how to use your body. This is how it differs from training in arts like Karate. It will never happen the way you trained for it.
HoldFire100 2 years ago
@HoldFire100 this is exactly right.
N0buhide 1 year ago
sensei kuma, i do jiu jitsu and jinenkan.
an oni kudaki variation from the mount or gaurd is just a kimura..standing oni kudaki would work great if youve already loosened up a guy with punches and then he throws a slppy hook. its common. you block it with the inside hand and slide the back hand through for a good oni kudaki...as far as street application goes.
ninjiujitsu1 3 years ago
@ninjiujitsu1 thank you for this reply
N0buhide 1 year ago
also, if your talking about street application, i would stay off of the ground as much as possible...let alone struggle to get a kimura on a guy. if ive managed to take him down, great, now all i need to do is knee him in the face and temple 2 or 3 times and i win the fight.
ninjiujitsu1 3 years ago
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junkahoolik 3 years ago
I doubt anything that is taught in any dojo (aside from rolling) is reflected to what is applied in the real world. What's good about this type of training is that it familiarizes the student/practitioner with joint manipulation and may possibly provide options should there ever exist an altercation. It won't be ideal, but the idea is to not get caught off guard. People take things too literally. Good point junkahoolik.
Octocorp 3 years ago
0:34 lot's of openings there to get cracked in the head by the same punch again.
but hey, you look tough so who cares
esubadog 3 years ago
There are always openings. You need to do the technique quickly and relentlessly. All I can say is it worked for me at the time, and i didn't get hit at all.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
poepertjuh1 you are so wrong! There are two versions and Sensei did it absolutely correct. The way he did it is actually more complicated than the more popular version. Please go acctually study something about Ninjutsu. Your knowledge is very lacking. Good job sensei.
QMAX21 3 years ago
okay i tried replying once and it didn't seem to show so i'll try again. The correct romaji spelling is "Oni Kudaki" which tranlates into "demon crush". This is not the kihon happo waza i'm doing, it's a variation that i used in real life and it worked (i've stated this a few times already). so i'm not doing it "wrong". Strength wouldn't matter because this technique is all about timing , distance, and angle. My opponent had no time to even utilize his strength. He didn't even know what hit him.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
My apologies.
ninpo2006 3 years ago
no need to apologize. This is youtube. If i'm putting videos of myself up i should be full aware that i'm going to get critisism along with people making fun of me or putting me down. Most of these videos don't do me or my student any justice. You really can't show the true feeling of a technique through a video.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
Cool take down.
Seibukan76 3 years ago
sad
onikudakii 3 years ago
what is it sad?
sycan093 3 years ago
I know nothing about ninjutsu, but I practice aikido. To me the technique looks like a reverse of what I call ude garami (arm entanglement) which is very effective. I can't wait to get on the mat and play with this version. Very interesting!
aihanmisaigon 3 years ago
Didyou learn this technique from our videos? if so I'd like to thank you for watching and telling these bashing critics that you used the technique (against a high ranked dan) and it was effective.
these people who are negative that the technique is sloppy or inproperly executed. I have news for them. Real fights ARE sloppy. the 2 points of taijutsu are: avoidance, and
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
u don't know ninjutsu, so u say this. This is an incredible technique. The person who train me, have attacked me with a knife, and with this technique, i've defended myself: he is 23 years old and is a dan, and i'm 17 and i have a green belt
francesco1303 3 years ago
Oni Kudaki is a great technique. However the way it was demostrated in this video sucked. I can say this because I do in fact know ninjutsu.
ninpo2006 3 years ago
This henka I showed is based on an actual experience I had working at a bar. a guy grabbed me to hit me, and swung. I performed this technique (of course faster and harder) and it worked. So it in fact does not suck. It works (at least it did for me at that time). Maybe it's not based on your Bujinkan rules. I do what I have to, and it worked in that situation. How about some positive critisism? What would you like to see done better?
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
Poor technique and no contrapasto.
ninpo2006 3 years ago
-contrapposto n.
The position of a figure in painting or sculpture in which the hips and legs are turned in a different direction from that of the shoulders and head; the twisting of a figure on its own vertical axis.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
Are you implying that I should rotate my upper body(or whole body) more to torque his shoulder? If that is the case then you are right if I was trying to show the original or basic waza. This is a henka where I don't have time or space to move so much, so I manage to pull it off by rotating his elbow upward and kicking the back of his knee downward. It achieved the desired effect. I understand what you are getting at, though,in retrospect.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
is that really effective?
CloudKr 3 years ago
absolutely. i've actually used this technique while working the club scene. it was used on a hostile drunk that stole from the tip jar and assaulted a bar tender. it worked like a charm. i didn't break anything of his that i know of, and it was a henka , or variation of the technique.
SenseiKuma 3 years ago
i meant production value, not technique. The technique was actually quite good, but the video was grainy.
camcam2525 4 years ago
Gotcha. This was done way before we had our better equipment. Somes kids saw us training at a park and asked if they can get some demos and filmed, that's why you hear the weird whispering. We're probably going to go over the kihon happo in better detail by the end of the month (which is why I asked if our technique was poor since we don't want to show the wrong stuff...) Thanks for your comments!
Octocorp 4 years ago
Thats only a decent oki kudaki.
camcam2525 4 years ago
Decent in technique or decent in production value?
Octocorp 4 years ago
why you gotta be stepping on people's arms, Luke? That's just plain mean=)
good clip, guys. next time we hang out you're gonna have to show me some more joint locks
drchango2010 4 years ago
You guys make it look so easy! I'd really like to learn stuff like this. You did such a good job explaining what you were doing that I can sorta figure out how to do it just by watching! o.O post more!
ThrowingPennies 4 years ago
really descriptive.. i love it
nehoraoff 4 years ago