Molten WTC rock

[b3trenchmaster]

Funny, there are dozens of "curiosities" from 911....many unexplained "events" and results that go unanswered and ignored by the people in charge. Ya gatta wonder whats up.

[NonnyMus1]

Please keep in mind that Bart Voorsanger is an architect who was charged with collecting artifacts from the WTC collapse. He has no technical nor scientific training. When he claims the mass was formed from molten steel, he has absolutely no basis in fact for that claim!

The mass is a curiosity, nothing more.

[kjaks]

I would like to see a report of what metals made up these rocks of fused materials before claiming it's steel or what not. Does such report exist?

[BLO383]

If none of these concrete masses was never in a previously molten state then why does this one have burnt corbonised paper trapped in the cement? watch?NR=1&v=swH1WaIMkNc

[WideAsleep22]

I thought there wasn't any molten steel at the WTC? This guy must have misspoken like Larry Silverstein...

[dayradio65]

When I look closely at the meteorite, it speaks to me. It says, very quietly and in a delicate female voice with a touch of accent, 'conspiracy kooks are the byproduct of only eating the marshmallows out of the lucky charms.'

[choclatesaltyballz]

americans are fucked up, brain dead killers

[Clarrisani]

You know, if you look closely at the meteorite, you can see the layers of the different floors.

[zgadgets]

Watch on youtube:

WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part I)

True Patriots want to see the facts

[CharIiePresents]

Who gives a shit, its happened. Spend your time mourning the dead instead of wasting your time.

[gtube2012]

@CharIiePresents one of the best ways of honoring the dead is to find the truth. else wise , what's it  worth to believe in jesus christ and seek the truth of his existance.

[jamesha175]

towers were nuked and china syndrome resulted.

wtcdemolition blogspot com

[HeadLessMunkees]

Ludicrous dead bear assumptions about 5 million pound 5 foot models do not sound science make...yoo are ludicrously ludicrous with those assumptions.

[loccysmif]

I'll the be the first to admit many so called 9/11 'truthers' are full of shit. So are many 'debunkers'.

I don't care about camps. I care about facts. So I won't spare one camp or the other because it suits my agenda, but when I see somebody pretending that strong evidence doesn't exist, or present extremely weak evidence, I do get upset.

9/11 is no different from all the other abnormalities in the past 8 years. Time for all of us to take responsibility, and fight ALL threats to freedom.

[loccysmif]

So, how about you stop modding me down when I challenge your assertions. I don't do it to you either.

[loccysmif]

Well, you can send me the paper when you find it. Science is full of surprises.

[ArrowHead83]

When anybody publishes a paper disproving any part of the current official story, be sure to pass a copy my way.

[loccysmif]

"When anybody publishes a paper"

Sure, read the two papers by RJ Lee, and the paper by USGS.

[violencerunsunabated]

@ArrowHead83 Type "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" into any search engine and click the link to globalresearch.ca

[tudorgui1992]

@violencerunsunabated sorry, but i really don't wanna search, because i really don't want to realise that such thing happened

[violencerunsunabated]

@tudorgui1992 So you will remain willfully ignorant?

[tudorgui1992]

@violencerunsunabated no. i know about this thing with thermite, but i can't believe that people are capable of something like that with their own citizens

[stopglobalswarming]

@tudorgui1992 Then punish the people who did it because you are not "their citizen" if they would use thermite and explosives and crash jets into your buildings to kill you and start foreign wars.

[tudorgui1992]

@stopglobalswarming i remember when i saw a close up with a corner of one tower, under the impact zone, there was something like molten metal dripping and there were also some weird sparks, it gave me chills. but nobody can punish them, they are constantly making sure of that

[abrook888]

@tudorgui1992 you are complete ____ Global warming is a lie as mankind only contributes 5% of CO2 and we are having record cold temps here in california! Yes the steel was melting on the towers because, you know things burn when there is a fire!

[tudorgui1992]

@abrook888 at what temperature does steel melt, and what's the temperature created by kerosene burning?

[loccysmif]

Especially when it comes to scientific claims such as this, a credible paper, and even better, experiments are necessary to make sure your claim has any foundation at all.

What seems to have happened here, is that Pat Curley parroted some random claims made by a JREF forum member, which are further totally unsubstantiated if you check the sources! I encourage you to be more careful in the future before making such arrogant (and baseless) assertions.

[LechAleksander]

Or maybe it was the potential energy of the mass of this huge towers which turned into heat when they collapsed? just try to crush a block of any substance and you will find it's temperature rising.

[ArrowHead83]

Simple question.

Simple answer:

Because we already know what destroyed the WTC.

[bushmustgo]

Yeah, black forces in the USG.

[ArrowHead83]

Wrong.

[loccysmif]

Just so you don't attack me for not replying to your claim about thermate byproducts: the operative word here is CAN. Thermate CAN have barium nitrate added to it. Optionally. Sulfur WAS detected in spherules. And I haven't even heard you speak about manganese and fluorine. The fact is, something's very very wrong about the fact that

#1 iron-rich spherules were found in the first place

#2 the iron-rich spherules contained the molecular signatures of thermite variants

Go back into denial now.

[ArrowHead83]

That's not how it works.

You can add anything to anything. The presence of traces of other chemicals in the residue doesn't validate the thermite hypothesis. It just reflects that the samples were taken in the real world and not a lab.

The iron spherules are to be expected out in the real world too. They're found everyday in engine exhaust.

Now you tell me, how did they cut vertical beams with thermite/thermate?

[loccysmif]

ArrowHead83, Iron-rich microspheres in engine exhaust, could you provide a source? Very interesting.

[ArrowHead83]

Sure.

Check out the following tinyurl:

kmjfwm

[loccysmif]

"The iron spherules are to be expected out in the real world too. They're found everyday in engine exhaust."

(1) I cannot find ANY grounds for this claim in your source. Please provide the exact quote in your source substantiating the claim that, I quote: "they are found every day in engine exhaust"

(2) Your source is Screw Loose Change, which is a blog, which quotes Randi, which is a forum. A source is not a blog or a forum, it is a scientific paper.

[ArrowHead83]

Figures, you can't be bothered to do your own research. This discussion is over.

[loccysmif]

Actually, I did, and the result was that it is you who can't be bothered. You googled what you vaguely remembered to be true, and it turns out you were shooting blanks. Why?

[ArrowHead83]

Right, attack the messenger because you can't dispute the message.

[joeysmom6074]

LOL Can't even back your own claims huh?? Hello Pot meet Black!!! lol

[loccysmif]

I suggest you actually study prof. Jones' research. Because of all the skepticism, Jones performed a thermite reaction on a piece of WTC steel in the presence of the BBC. It looked exactly like the molten metal seen pouring out of WTC 2, it formed the same spherules, and showed the same XEDS characteristics. Ofcourse, the BBC then decided to censor this explosive (pun intended) evidence from their abysmal orwellian hit piece "The Third Tower"

[bweazel]

Well. Where there is one there is more. I think the molten metal case is pretty solid now.

[RavenPrecept]

Yes, it's not as fluid as when it was super hot.

[KimmoKuopio]

Big rock!

[samten54]

Heat does not fuse things into a single element. This is more Hoaxtard bullshit.

[bweazel]

You sure about that? Let's see. Liquid metal. Add powered concrete... Ya I'm sure they would fuse together after cooling. No one said that heat created a new element. Just that these two things were fused together.

[smitty121981]

Thanks for posting this video, this is clear evidence of some sort of accelerant being used to destroy the steel of the buildings and bring them down

[jeffmay1]

What a dumb comment, how is this remotely any type of proof of anything? You are really stretching now

[smitty121981]

jeffmay1, I never said this was proof, I said this was evidence, let me explain

The 2001 Edition of the NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations states that melted steel and concrete is an indicator of high temperature accelerants being used. That's what we have here.

Don't call people dumb if you don't know what you're talking about.

[jeffmay1]

I didn't call YOU dumb, I called a comment dumb, big difference, anyways, temperatures were already so high on their own that they did not need any additional accelerants. The NFPA guide is not taking into account 10,000+ gallons of jet fuel exploding at a speed of 500+mph

[bweazel]

The speed at which the jet fuel explodes is irrelevant. Just that it explodes. And we can see most of "the jet fuel", which should have exploded on the outside of the building, burn off in the initial fire ball. So you're left with office furniture or pretty much the same things you'd find in house fires just more of it. Which won't make it hotter. So how exactly do you explain the molten metal pouring out of the side of 2WTC?

[jeffmay1]

Even if you were right (which you're not, it was aluminum from the plane, that is exactly where the plane debris ended up, not molten metal) but say for example that you are right. You really think that (even if it was thermate) that releasing thermate in one single corner of one bldg is going to be enough to bring down two of them? If Thermate was the cause, you would have seen that same type of thing circular around both bldgs for a much longer period of time. It would be on cameras everywhere

[bweazel]

Ok Jeff. You don't know if I'm right, nor do you know if you're right. So let's drop the who is right thing all together and concentrate on what's important. If you are refering to the molten metal pouring out of 2WTC minutes before the collapse, which is a bit suspicious in itself, we're on the same page. How do you know the damage from the inside didn't somehow make a path for this molten steel to flow down. I don't think that is thermite/thermate that went off there at the corner.

[jeffmay1]

I know that you are wrong, and it is crystal clear that I am NOT. What do you mean I don't know, of course I know, it was the largest crimial investigation in history, and the facts speak for themselves. You have no proof, nothing but theories and thoughts.

[bweazel]

Largest criminal investigation in history?!?! Are you fucking stupid? They spent more money investigating Clinton's blow job. How long did they look for the suspects? They we saying ohhh we think it's Osama right after the second plane hit. Haha. Some investigation. Let's let the media tell us who did it. No. You do not know you're right. You think you're right. HUGE difference. You as well have no proof. Just a majority opinion and a Fox news theory.

[jeffmay1]

Wow you really are brainwashed aren't you. The 9/11 commission report, is what you are refering to, and all your CT clips refer to the fact they spent more on Clintons blow job than on the 9/11 commission report. THAT WAS ONLY THE COMMISSION REPORT, THAT WAS NOT THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. The report took information for the investigation to help for the report, but they are SEPERATE THINGS. The commission report didn't begin for over 1 yr. The criminal investigation started at 8:50am 9/112001

[bweazel]

Interesting. Never heard of a criminal investigation. I was under the impression there was no organized criminal investigation. Who led this investigation? A reliable source please? I'm brainwashed? Haha. That's rich. Who here is the pompous asshole? Not I. You can't even stay on topic or answer any questions I've asked. I'll move on to someone who can actually debate their opinion. What's the matter? Fox news not tell you how to answer these questions?

[jeffmay1]

You didn't even know there was a criminal investigation? How about dozens, try the NYPD to start, major investigation, then try ATF, FBI, CIA. I'm not sure who you consider reliable sources so I can't answer that. The NYPD lost hundreds of their own that day, I would think they would want to get to the truth and not support a cover up.

As for Fox news, I don't get Fox, but that is about the 10th time some CT has used that line. And you call us sheep lol. ABC, CNN, NBC,CBS all say the same

[jeffmay1]

I love that you brought up Clinton though. Because for 1, if this was a gov't conspiracy, Clinton would have had to be involved because it could not have been pulled off without him. But my bigger question is this

If Bill Clinton can't even get a blow job between 2 people without the world finding out, how can George Bush (whom everyone says is the biggest idiot on the planet) pull of 9/11, involving the secrets of thousands, and pull off such a genius plan with no one finding out

[bweazel]

Ya he very well may have been involved. You don't know. Haha. But I'm sure you think you do know. You're so small minded. Do you just believe whatever you're told? If you actually think Bush would be in charge of organizing a conspiracy you're very naive to reality. Politicians are patsies. They are owned. Just like you and me, except they are owned by the most powerful, wealthy people in the world. Not by Arby's. Mmmmm. : ) Bush, Clinton, Obama. All just figure heads. Read between the lines.

[jeffmay1]

Oh, well you are spreading different stories than most, because most of them blame Bush and Cheney directly. I guess it shows the weakness in CT's stories is that even within your own community you can't even agree with the story

[bweazel]

Whatever man. This isn't a community. I don't care what other "CTers" think happened. I like to discuss things with others to better my understanding. If you give me something reasonable and credible I will be open minded and accept it. You should try the same. Of course we (CTers) won't agree, since the CTers are the ones trying to break away from the base story that most everyone takes without question. Why would any of you sheep disagree with the story? It was fed to you and you ate it.

[jeffmay1]

I don't for a second think that you would be open minded or accept it.

Prove it. Tell me your 3 biggest problems, and I'll explain reality about them to you. Any 3 major issues. You pick them, I'll tackle them for you. No excuses. Go for it.

[bweazel]

Nahhh. You're too arrogant and I really don't care to read your opinion on.... anything : )

Haha and really? I'm suppose to prove I'm open minded by asking you three things and then agreeing with your answers? That's great. I think your ego may be large enough already.

[jeffmay1]

Ha, big surprise. Can't even have a debate eh? Just want to argue and insult, the minute someone says lets actually tackle some subjects you're not interested. BIG SURPRISE

[jeffmay1]

And if you think it's just the media. Then why doesn't the media from France, or Germany both of whom hate the U.S. right now are not pleading your case for you. They would love nothing more than proof to throw in the Bush gov't face. They don't, because there isn't any

[bweazel]

I think it's a stream coming from the core columns. Notice that the stream is at the very bottom part of the impact zone. Liquid flows down. I think it's reasonable to say that this constant stream that occured all the way up until the collapse is not plane debris. We're talking about a constant stream here man. Not bits and pieces of plane debris that somehow all formed together in a nice little stream just minutes before the collapse.

[jeffmay1]

It's not a constant stream, it was filmed by ONE SINGLE camera, and the clip is less than 2 mins and was not picked up by other cameras so you really have no idea how long it lasted, nice of you to guess though, that really helps weed through the facts. The plane crashed into the bldg and the energy of going 500mph pushed it right into that exact corner, it's well documented.

[bweazel]

Two minutes man. That's pretty constant. There are times where so much of it is leaving the building it falls for about 30 or so floors until you cannot notice it anymore. You never answered my question though. You claim that somehow a plane crashed through steel, concrete, more steel core columns, walls, office furniture and elevator shafts and all sorts of other crap... THEN somehow collected itself in the corner, waited for over an hour, then decided to melt... where is your logic?

[jeffmay1]

As the plane crashed through the bldg, the momentum of energy pushed all the contents, debris and piled everything up against that one main corner. Heat photos show that the concentration of heat was located in that one area. So ya, it makes total sense why the fire there in that corner was the largest. The same thing happened in the other bldg too, the largest and hottest fires were on the OPPOSITE side of the bldgs from where the plane collided.

[bweazel]

So ask yourself, which is more probable? The cores were being cut to weaken the building which led to it's collapse minutes later OR these raging fires that were burning since the impact took that long to liquify the aluminum AND just so happens to find a place to leave the building right before the collapse. Sorry. I'll use my logic and go with the first option. Because it is the more probable explanation. Hmmm. Maybe I should have just sent you a message. Haha sorry.

[jeffmay1]

It's funny how you think that if it was one core column, that would be enough to initiate collapse, but the fact that the plane cut through 35% of all the other columns wouldn't be enough for you. Too funny. Do you try these jokes out in front of the mirror first and laugh at how funny you think you are?

[RavenPrecept]

Molten steel was videoed pouring from several places, not just near the plane. It's clearly so hot it's glowing orange meaning it could have been steel. If the cores of the building were melted with Thermate then the metal would mostly flow down the cores rather than across the floor. Is your problem that it can't have been an Inside Job therefore none of this other stuff is true?

[jeffmay1]

Not at all, Thermate has been ruled out, couldn't have been used. The core wasn't melted, and you can clearly see the core standing just a few seconds longer than the rest of the bldg after collapse, and I have seen hundreds of videos but only one location that had anything pouring out the side of the bldg. If you have more clips I would love to see them, please send me a link to a video or news article.

[loccysmif]

jeffmay1, no, you are taking down a straw man argument. Thermate hasn't been ruled out, quite the opposite. Its presence has been conclusively proven at all three WTC sites. Secondly: taking down the core columns doesn't require melting of the complete core structure: it requires horizontal thermite steel beam cutting devices for example, which already existed and have been patented pre-2001. Thirdly, the core partially stood, then collapsed instead of toppled, showing smoking white streamers.

[jeffmay1]

The arguement for thermate was because of traces of Sulfur and Iron. That arguement ignores that the WTC's drywall was Sulfur based and that Iron is used in computers and most things in an office tower.

When it comes to thermates's two main byproducts, aluminum oxide and barium nitrate, there is no report anywhere showing any traces of either. Even Stephen Jones does not claim anywhere that he has a report showing traces of those. Without them it's impossible, PERIOD! End of story, move on

[loccysmif]

Sorry, you are misinformed. The argument for thermate was not "because of traces of sulfur and iron". I was based on an XEDS scan, which reveals a molecular signature which fits thermite/thermate variants hand-in-glove. The gypsum 'debunk' is one of Mark Roberts' miscarriages. If the sample would have been contaminated with gypsum, a calcium peak would have shown. It did not. By the way, it's "Steven Jones", not "Stephen Jones".

[jeffmay1]

Actually it's "liar"!

[loccysmif]

'Actually it's "liar"!'

If those are your tactics this dicussion is over.

[jeffmay1]

There is nothing to discuss with you. You ignore the fact that the two main by products of thermate were NOT found in the air. Period. Do as many tests as you want to find as many similarities as you want, it doesn't matter, without the two main by products it CAN'T be!

[loccysmif]

Found in the air?! Are you smoking crack? Get real man, and do some research, before you make yourself look like a total ass here.

[mike4ty4]

And the fact there's still legible text visible on that paper shows quite clearly that no high heat was involved. That much heat would burn the paper away entirely. Whatever atoms were left would be thoroughly mixed with the liquid. It was obivously a solid-state, not liquid-state process that created this phenomenon.

[leftysergeant]

Explosives that would pulverize concrete would also send smaller objects up and out of the dust plume with streamers of dust entrained behind them. Everything, including botth the dust and multi-storey segments of the perimeter walls follows the same trajectory during the entrire collapse. This in and of itself disproves the use of explosive charges.

[mike4ty4]

The explosives used for demolition work are not designed to melt things into big "meteorites" like that. They're there to _cut_ things into pieces.

I'm wondering: how many of these 9/11 "truthers" really know how a real explosive demolition works?

[arkgunslinger]

Hum, Take a closer look

watch?v=swH1WaIMkNc

[charlyvvvvv]

If you think that the WTC was not brought down by planes crashing into it, then this molten rock represents the kind of material you have behind your eyes.

[leftysergeant]

You left out something important here. Who is the dork with the glasses? What are his credentials? What is the source of this clip? Bear in mind that the main "thermitre" theorist also claims to have found evidence that Jesus visited the ancestors of the Mayans.  Other things than heat will fuse concrete and metal. And a newspare clippiong, with no attribution is useless, forensicly.

[muckletoon]

There's not a shadow of a doubt the WTC was pulverised to dust in 12 seconds by hi tech explosives.

[leftysergeant]

You better look at some of the other crap that is stored at Hangar 17. There is no doubt only in the minds of brain-dead morons.

[muckletoon]

I doubt there will be much of the WTC complex in hanger17 after it was pulverised to fine powder in seconds.

[leftysergeant]

These objects are at Hangar 17, including one mass of about three floors rusted into on chunk. The dustification is an illusion. Much of the concrete wound up in the basement, though largely as gravel. These are not patio-thickness slabs we are talking about. Just an inch or two thick to bear the weight of office furniture.

[muckletoon]

so where did the energy come from to pulverise the building in 12 seconds? The towers stood a good hour after being hit and were barely smouldering before they were detonated.

[looncraz]

Yes, and the black smoke provides an indicator of a low-heat suffocated smolder. The central column structure was separated by very over-engineered fire AND *impact* features, designed SPECIFICALLY to withstand MULTIPLE plane impacts due to their height.

I wish people would open their minds, thanks for helping some to do so!

[mike4ty4]

"...designed SPECIFICALLY to withstand MULTIPLE plane impacts due to their height."

Correction: they were designed to take one or two hits from a SMALLER plane that was ACCIDENTALLY crashing due to poor visibility, etc. Not a 767 and not head-on at top speed.

[mike4ty4]

"so where did the energy come from to pulverise the building in 12 seconds?"

For one thing the building was NOT "pulverized". (Look closer at those debris piles. You can see larger pieces of concrete there.) For another, in a demolition one does not use explosives to "pulverize" the whole building. Finally, beams can be seen sagging and warping _before_ the collapse starts.

[Clarrisani]

@muckletoon Where did the energy come from? Have you ever heard of one of the most powerful forms of energy known as "gravity"?

[looncraz]

Thickness varied, 5-6" steel-reinforced concrete for most floors, but every 10th or so floor was double-reinforced to serve as fire-blocks. The central shaft areas are heavily reinforced every 30 floors, and the central columns consisted of solid high-temper steel up to 4.5" thick, 2'x3', and there were LOTS of them.

These core columns ALL "broke" at straight angles.

Steel is favored over iron because it bends rather than breaks, and is lighter.

[leftysergeant]

The columns broke at welds and joints. They are welded, jointed, bolted, whatever on right-angle ends.

There would have been deformation had they been cut with thermite or HE.

[looncraz]

The columns I mentioned were cut at near 45-degrees, the joints were not, AFAIK ( and based on my personal experience with such construction ), anything other than butt joints. In fact, it is CODE ( maybe not in the '70s in NYC ) that the seams at mating points be joined using back-plates which are bolted ( and often welded as well ) in place.

If all I saw in the debris was straight edges, some with partial backplates, I'd STILL believe the official story. Not saying it was Bush, but is odd.

[leftysergeant]

Thecolumns cut at an angle were cut during cleanup. Notice that in all pictures of them, they are cut at the same height over a leveled area. In many pics, they have piles of debris and uncut columns in the background. They were cut level as the height of the pile was reduced. Also see RKOwens4's video on this process atySHgiUxnLC0 v=

[mike4ty4]

"These core columns ALL "broke" at straight angles.

"

You're not talking about those cuts made w/the cutting torches are you? Because that's what they were made with: CUTTING TORCHES, and AFTER the collapse during the cleanup.

[looncraz]

I've seen the normal column pictures from a week of cleanup which were hardly deformed and I've seen pictures showing core columns melted so much they looked like dried wax candles.

Most of these pillars were completely detached, though there were some which had not been cleanly severed.

I have never cataloged all the data I've seen, other than mentally, but I'm sure I've seen them in multiple YouTube videos. I know disaster cleanup, even involving steel. I grew up in the construction biz.

[mike4ty4]

What are these pictures that so them so unevenly melted, anyway? Because those might be more interesting than the straight-cut ones with the melty stuff running down them, as that's what you get from _cutting torches_. There are photos showing such angle cuts being made in the columns with torches and I could give a web address if you want.

[wybo2]

@muckletoon Don't you idiots see that you are disproving yourself here.

All this molten rock proves is that the fuel in the building was enough to melt the steel frame....what is exactly what you guys want to disprove.

[unicursalhex]

@wybo2 Hey dipshit, the NIST report claims that the fire weakened the steel to the point of collapse, not melted them completely. Do some research before you open your dick sucker

[memeticverb]

To leftysergeant: My god, use fallacies much? Yes his credentials have been cut out of almost every video available of this interview. All i remember is that he is indeed a scientists who works at teh laboratory that tested this molten rock, proving that it indeed reached temperatures much higher than possible with jet fuel fire.

[leftysergeant]

He's still an asshat for using the words molten and fused. It clearly is not molten if the is legible writing on the paper. It is concrete and RUSTED steel. Steel forms concretions with concrete when it is wet for a long time. He's a schmuck.

[BLO383]

@leftysergeant Looks like it one of the duh bunkers from JREF circle of clowns ok smart ass

why dont you explain to use what was responsible for the creation of the wtc meteorite?

common what you theory on it's creation lets hear it seems as how you JREF morons

are so smart and intelligent.

[leftysergeant]

@BLO383 I already answered that 3 years ago. That thing is three floors pancaked together. Then the steel rusted and the rust mixed with the concrete to for new componds. Pretty simple, reallly. You would know that if you actually LOOKED AT JREFF

[leftysergeant]

@BLO383 The "meteorite is actually three floor slabs with the steel floor pans trapped between them. They were subjected to heat and a lot of water for however many weeks it took to reach them. The heat and the caustic and damp atmosphere accelerated the rusting of the floor pans, which formed an aggragate with the concrete.  Ask any geologist.

[dayradio65]

@BLO383 Jesus man, did you have a TIA? Or are you just that illiterate naturally?

[Troubledove]

He is the guy describing the stuff he sees. I mean, even you could tell when your milk jug is fused with your knee when that happens because thats way out of normal expectations.

I know - even by my limited education - that melting steel is very hard and it doesnt happen with the temperatures that could emerge (in large enough scale) on this kind of scenario. Even with charcoal based furnace you need to supply excess air to make it happen. EXPLAIN.

[leftysergeant]

@Troubledove The rebar and the floor pans are clearly identifiable in that mess. There is paper with legible type in the melted part. The melted part far more resembles plastic than metal. That rock was never near the melting point of steel. It is fused together by the formation of various iron oxide based chemcials in the presence of water and calcium minerals in the concrete. Youse that all the time on the beach around major sea ports.

[Troubledove]

@leftysergeant

Of course there is a paper about everything. If WTC was brought down by demolition the people behind it will gladly march an army of respected well-paid scientists to get proofs that it didnt happen. Even science bows to money - or atleast to gun pointed at their precious heads - and we know this.

Atleast when i see those obivious thermite-sparks and the excess molten steel pouring out of the side of building - and the demo-pressurewaves - I know shit is real.

[Prodegy101]

If that doesn't peak the curiosity of those who do not believe it was an inside job, then I don't know what will..

[genghis6199]

gold.