Turbo F1 engines - How they started, part 1

[Vollhirni]

The best video I ever saw concerning Engine Prototypes and Formula1. Thank you very much!

[whisperedemption]

15:55 That noise makes me cringe.

[giuliano170]

better than porn

[MazMaslin]

My word, carving engine block moulds from wood seems such a primitive way of working now. Classic film, thank you for uploading :)

[f1matt]

Brilliant video. Thanks!

[DCSAmimd]

delicious.

[logwind]

Wonderful to watch.

[cycleflight]

Thanks for posting, this is absolutely fascinating!

[amdisthebest]

AWESOME VIDEO! I'd love to see the same type of video for Audi in group B.

[RoscoePT1234]

1 hour!

[Crisgo3d]

Ford just could not compete in this period

[McLarenMercedes]

@Crisgo3d

Actually the Cosworth designed turbo V6 wasn't that bad, but it was only used by the disastrous Lola-Haas team and by Benetton in 1987. For 1988 Benetton planned using the Ford Cosworth turbo V6 but in the end thought they should get a headstart for the new NA era and thus settled on the Cosworth DFR V8

Gordon Murray who designed the all dominated McLaren MP4/4 of 1988 said:"We couldn't believe our luck when we heard that Benetton decided not to use the turbo engine 1988."

[nickflame9]

@McLarenMercedes see this is what f1 needs, look, back then teams could choose between different types of engines and stuff, alll of which produced exceptional racing and fun, now its all homolongated bullshit for money and sponsors, fuck that we want racing.

[LeeMorrisSimRacing]

@nickflame9 You are very correct !

[DTFW18]

@nickflame9 but this era was dominated by Mclaren and Williams, yes the power was awesome but the noise nothing like today. I think the racing today is even better but I agree about the homolongated stuff but for me the early 90s was the best era for development and technology..

[nickflame9]

@DTFW18 yes, but the new breed of cars meaning, 09- now just suck, they should have stuck with the 2004 cars, awesome power, sound and speed, all they had to do was take away the traction control, and then you would have seen racing, because that was the peak year of f1, the only reason schumacher won so easy was because of the TC, the FIA is destroying the sport, i mean every year new season they change the rules, i think it's the only sport that does that nonsense, IF IT AINT BROKE....

[DTFW18]

@nickflame9 fair point!

[Salvavideocrack]

19:40 Turn of the cell phone please

[lonear]

this pre computer, high precision engineering is just amazing to watch! True expertise in so many areas coming together. I had no idea they used actual wood carvings! Its amazing!

[Paperairpain]

"you want boost also?" "YES!" "Yes absolute." Boost is fun, but V12's are still better lol

[MrHappy100]

Wow! Thanks for sharing :)

[Suprasupra1]

Fantastic! 

[bobbyvader]

This is so intersting!!!! Much better then this modern manipulated Television! More of this please! Thx for uploading

[virusz1000]

hay qe bonito

[xtw1tch3s]

Engineering porn.

[Qnickel27]

LOL at 26:15 they claim to go with a V6 because evryody else is, it's definently not because they blew up 4 I-4 engines already!

[bluemoonshinya]

amazing vid .

[TheBrendonHands]

dont get me wrong, that carving is amazing work, but why not use a cnc and cut it from steel? it seems that it would leave less room for error, and it would probably be cheaper, and deffinatly faster, and several exact copies would be easily obtained...

[Britishdude1]

@TheBrendonHands Chances are they didn't have CNC machines that advanced in the mid 80's

[Qnickel27]

@TheBrendonHands they didn't haven't a CNC machine in the early 80's

[HDNimbra]

15:59 95....... peter griffin??

[xboxcrazee]

how come this vid is 52 minutes long??? i though they were limited to 10 minutes...

[agt155]

look at the size of that turbo @ 8:39...

[superfunnyman123]

most insperatioal video i have ever seen here on youtube! thank you so much for this!

[dirtyhotyoung]

@superfunnyman123 true !

[johancool02]

Damn i enjoyed all of this video :D

[ismokewead420]

1:59 *pause* , now im going out to smoke

[73DDY]

Professor Geof Goddard, truly an amazing Engineer!

[oker59]

it's sad that this auto racing engineering documentary is better than most science documentary.

[oker59]

i find mildly amusing watching the engineers work on the engines with business clothes. As an avionics tech, i wouldn't have touched it without plastic gloves(thin ones).

[SauceGoblin]

@oker59 Avionics Tech = Dog Fucker! : )

[oker59]

@SauceGoblin

from tweek to dog fucker; well, whatever turns your crank!

[Tasiors]

His reaction at 16:03 :D Hahaha

[CGSmij08]

watched the whole thing... this is runner's high for me

[SaturatedLivingTV]

Seems like they would be past casting for f1

[2fast012]

guys apeaking like every1s a retard n sayin it in the most detail

[Leip3802]

To be honest If they keep wanting to make it safer and more global freindly then i think it would be cool if they just set a 900cc engine size limit and let them run free with that. That would definately bring new small engine turbo technology to the table.

[omid11]

just get rid of f1 it sucks true fans know this all this safety shit has ruined the sport

[karlcos]

@omid11 Eh? The cars are just as fast as they've always been, ok, they haven't got the ultimate power of the turbo or V10 engines but aerodynamics mean cornering speeds are higher, the racing is the closest it's been in years and as for the safety aspect, i personally don't to see people getting killed or injured so it can only be a good thing imo.

[KarriKoivusalo]

@omid11

Watch the BBC documentary "Grand Prix - The Killer Years" and then say the safety shit has ruined the sport.

[bullet50000]

@KarriKoivusalo

well, it has. Turbo Engines were banned for safety.

[thiscocks]

@KarriKoivusalo Watched it and still think its too safe now.

[baileys60]

@KarriKoivusalo well said

[weewoodeal]

@KarriKoivusalo no thanks.... the sport is ruined for me so i will not watch it.

[f22videos]

@KarriKoivusalo Please provide a link, I just cannot find it.

[KarriKoivusalo]

@f22videos

The user has removed the video, sorry :( Might be watchable on some BBC feed though.

[450xrida]

snap-on tools haha

[rama6maiden]

THE ITALIAN ANTHEM SHOULD BE A V12 FERRARI GROWLING!!

[Mikk543]

@rama6maiden Not grwoling, but SHOUTING!!!

[ajD4bmw]

The best video on Youtube. Thank you very much for uploading this.

[arnesasss]

what song starts at 1 : 09 ?

[turboslag]

@arnesasss

I think it could be the Italian national anthem ?

[arnesasss]

@turboslag thank you :)

[strictlyimportmotors]

Jeff Goddard who was mentioned in this video released a new engine design for the new formula engine. 1.6L v6 engine made just over 2000 hp.

[JJKjaer]

Very very interesting:-) I just read that from 2014 F1 will run on turbocharched 1.6 litre engines! I am really looking forward to that. Of course it is because of all the global warming stuff... Lets hope the FIA will not put to many restrictions on the engines, so we once again can enjoy watching and hearing these turbo-monsters!

[wks1978]

@JJKjaer I think part of the appeal of the sound of these 1980's engines is the relatively low pitch of the sound, caused by low revs, as opposed to the scream of ultra high revving modern formula 1 engines. hearing the same sound again as in the 1980's might require a limitation on maximum revs..

I don't know for sure, but that makes sense to me.

[turboslag]

@wks1978

Actually those 80's turbo motors revved very high ! Upto 14-15,000 RPM in the case of the V6's. Some of them even had pneumatic valves ! The slightly muffled sound was caused by the turbo restriction in the exhaust removing energy from the exhaust gas. Expect the 1.6's to rev even higher but they will have strictly limited boost pressure and fuel, so the spectacle will be slightly diluted.

[Galf506]

The definition of "tifosi" is extremely wrong. It comes from the greek "Typhos" (fever) and it's just the italian term for a very strong fan of something - be it a race or football team.

[turboslag]

Brilliant, saw this when it was first broadcast and still have both parts on VHS !!

Title is incorrect though, this is far from how F1 Turbo's started, that accolade goes to Renault Sport in 1976. They started the whole ball game !! Initially they were the joke team of the grid but after they sorted the initial reliability problems and started to out qualify everyone by whole SECONDS per lap, they all took notice !

[OneBigRetard]

That would tool making is soooo old school.

[nitrotrigger]

@OneBigRetard you mean "wood"?

[OneBigRetard]

@nitrotrigger

yeah, bizarre??!! Believe me I can spell 'wood'. Teach me to write anything at 3am.

[OneBigRetard]

Bet you the BMW workshop didn't look like that!

[cardriverx]

I just came for 52 minutes and 7 seconds straight

[dathrevann]

it sure is fun to be an engineer

[turbinetechca]

24:28 Holly Jebus... that's no D16 rods!

[turbinetechca]

15:57

Man 1 : Oh shit!

Man 2 : WTF?!?

[tet5uo]

I don't even know much about cars or F1, but this was just great. Watched the whole thing! Not even sure what I was watching when I clicked this suggestion :)

[mikespike502005]

03:31 WHOAAAAA An ECU. Whod of thought it.

[jjtonn]

praise to the wood turners at 31:00

[paijodanpainem]

can believe that a 1.500 cc V10 engine can crank up the horse power to about 1000++ HP??? the ting would never be seen in this F1 cars era,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ssiiigghhh­,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[TurboSmurffi]

@paijodanpainem Pssst, they were V6's, And BMW had i4 (i = inline = straight) :>

[ccanaves]

Those were the days....

[seroyer2]

The Ferrari F1 teams budget is bigger then some small country's GDP now! $7.5 is a joke now days.

[fd2mugenRR1]

Keith Duckworth...father of COSWORTH engineering and a true inspirator...

[thegreatbasher]

@fd2mugenRR1 My Grandfather used to work for Cosworth.

[fd2mugenRR1]

@thegreatbasher

well he must  be a great engineer...be very proud of your grandfather...i bet he learnt you one or two things

for the internal combustion engines.

[abunaiN1]

nice find thumbs up mate !!

[gingernutpreacher]

he put the ecu together with a soldring iron

[scottN1980]

I hope that the discovery channel people see this, the narrator didn't spend an hour repeating himself. Great video

[Snoep76239]

"we're ad an accident" LOL Yeah, a skipped timing belt is a BAD thing, especially at RPM like that. Ouch..

[moondog203]

After all that you let a useless American sort out the electronics.

[Skyisnotalimit]

Ha ha! 11:40 my girlfriends car!!!

[bigjimmyauk]

Brilliant video , thanks for sharing :)

[BlueFox284]

This is like automotive engineering porn. . .O_O

Fascinating how they made F1 engines back in the day. Even for the 80's it was very old school- woodworkers produced the molds for a 1,000 bhp turbo monster.

[winnythe]

what road car had the renault engine?

[GTRZE70]

A+, Fascinating. That was one quick hour.

[mrnatty122]

What 4 cylinder engine did they use?it looks like a ford mondeo 16v engine.

[KarriKoivusalo]

@mrnatty122

Going out on a limb I'd say a Ford BDA derivative.

[Audioquest56]

2014 - 1.6L V6 turbos with KERS!

Hopefully Honda and someother manufacturers decide to return.

[thenicedudejay]

a very interesting documentary about the cosworth development work of an f1 turbo.

hearing mr Duckworth explain his v6 engine is just a great joy !

[bobbyboulders69]

Did you see the tools he was using around 17:00? American made snap-on tools, the best tools made then and today.

[BoostedGen2010]

The awesome thing about this video and the tech see in it is the fact that only now the last few years this tech is coming to mainstream use in everyday cars lol.

[ironkcoony]

@BoostedGen2010 - what do you mean exactly? EFI, Turbocharging?

[Stankinator911]

LOL: 29:30.  These days one moped engine warrants CAD.

[flipsidedogchop]

...oh and this is one of the greatest posts ive seen on youtube!

Massive big ups to RWHP

[flipsidedogchop]

Anyone who for any reason thinks that F1 wont be worth watching in 2014 can simply fuck off! F1 doesnt need you! The Turbo era in the late 70's & 80's revolutionised F1 & I expect this new formula will be refreshing.

If i could change 1 thing it would be allowing 2.4L V8's & 1.6L V6 Turbo engines....why should'nt their be an "option" like we have with tyres?

[stevibhoy1]

@flipsidedogchop Didn't work in 1987/8. I agree that turbos are hugely attractive from a spectators point of view, but there's never been an effective equivalency formula.

[flipsidedogchop]

@stevibhoy1 Without the revolutionary Mclaren Honda it would have worked in 1988

[stevibhoy1]

@flipsidedogchop Perhaps the other turbo runners were closer to the atmo pace that year, but Honda and Ferrari were both looking at 1000bhp on 2.5bar boost if turbos had ran another season, a good 350bhp more than the best the 3.5 V10 Honda produced in 1989.

Also, apart from an extremely low crank assembly on the Honda V6, there was nothing revolutionary about the MP4/4. It was very closely related to the '86 Brabham conceptually.

[flipsidedogchop]

@stevibhoy1 Wasnt the driving position slightly revolutionary?

[stevibhoy1]

@flipsidedogchop No, Brabham ran a reclined cockpit two years earlier on the BT55 BMW, also designed under Gordon Murray. This car was cleverer than the McLaren in that the BMW Four was laid on it's side and a special asymmetrical Hollinger transmission was used.

Obviously the Brabham team hadn't the resources of McLaren when it came down to the final execution of the concept, but they were the pioneers.

The BMW lay-down unit was troublesome and the driver pairing far inferior.

[stevibhoy1]

Punch Brabham BT55 into you tube and see the video.

[flipsidedogchop]

@stevibhoy1 Im well aware of that, dont worry.

all i meant was that McLaren nailed the design, showing what could be done with the brabham concept, thus revolutionising it

[armorgeddon]

@flipsidedogchop: The turbo-engines that will be in F1 are limited by the rules in so many areas, that by far it won*t be as interesting & spectacular as in the 80s & the sound won't be as fascinating. They should have given only one limitation, tha's a fuel-consumption-limit, but that possibly could have let to the dominance of one engine manufacturer & that's what F1-management doesn't want.

Real engine-competition in F1 died with the freeze and rev-limit at the start of 2007.

[Redztars]

Fascinating look at the 'underbelly' side of F1. This is the OPPOSITE of all the trophies, champagne-spraying, and grid girls and I LOVE it. Great post!

[KLip452]

Great Great Great Video! I'm surprised how things have changed since, or have they? I hear FIA just voted the V6 turbo engine back into the F1 by 2014..

[FTMJarra]

What a fantastic video.....thanks for uploading.!!

[Marcus666Sund]

F1 reached its peak in 2004-2005, since then, they've only sized down the engines and now V4:s at 10.000 rpm???

19.000 RPM V10:s all the way.

A BIG REASON WHY I DONT WATCH F1 anymore.

BECAUSE OF THAT GODDAMN GLOBAL WARMING TALKIN!

its racing not passenger cars.

[seanbarton69]

@Marcus666Sund Its going to be inline 4s, and turbocharged. very similar to the 80s f1 era. should be good. i will miss the sound of a screaming v8 at 18000 rpm though

[Marcus666Sund]

@seanbarton69 what about the 20000 rpm V10s???

[Siphasi]

What a F**king awesome video.

[bobk522]

WOW I love detailed vids like this. Just made 4 PB&J's with a glass of milk and kicked back.

[skarsnuten75]

Great vid!

In special the angled head bolts of the V6 engine: ingenious! It strengthens the engine block.

[fuck12341234]

"several hundred f1 engines do not warrant an investment in computer aided design. all that's needed is a notebook, a calculator, and two centuries of engineering know-how" ..... I chuckled a bit during this quote lol

[kimokalihi]

wow, hand carved engine components from mahogany! Amazing.

[Mitsimad]

What does the hologram say? Equinox? What program is this?



[FTMJarra]

@Mitsimad old program used to be on bit like discovery channel....engineering/science that kind of stuff...was good stuff.

[wks1978]

@Mitsimad Looks like it was an equinox episode.Equinoxwas a very good factural documentary series on UK TV in the late 80's and early 90's.

[MrVultcher]

great film.... yes Lotus running a renault engine with a bendix computer... that will be reliable

[mic09dcsm09]

Men at work.

[sandman1071]

Great film - thanks for sharing!!

[MrRamto13]

OI

[MrRamto13]

OO

[Southslider51]

Nice video! 1 thing about testing a turbo engine setup without a turbo(big restrictor) in the exhaust=EPIC FAIL! Back pressure anyone? Crossover point? It was 1986 but still. ;-)

[simonwilliams88]

@Southslider51 Not so my friend. Back pressure was myth from the 60's F1. They found they gained power with smaller pipes. They mistook this as they gained back pressure. What actually happened is velocity increased because they were low revving engines (larger pipe, longer to fill), smaller pipes filled quicker and created a vacuum behind pulses pulling next out = less restriction, higher velocity, more power to the flywheel. Bar no boost, problems come from the now, low compression

[simonwilliams88]

@Southslider51 Just to add to the 60's, if the v8's revved past 5k then they would of seen greater benefits of the larger pipes. Back pressure is ALWAYS bad. A turbo places massive restriction on the exhaust and DOES inherently lose power, not gain it. Obviously the boost generated more than makes up for it. Low compression however, does lose you power, lots of it

[tohtorigyro]

hah, williams using only 7.5 mil a year back then. those were the days. nowadays it's more closer to 200-300 mil.

[doormagic]

6:24 dont believe?lol

[surfpac]

Brilliant, brilliant stuff...thank you RWHP

[Electranova360]

Best documentary I have ever seen!

[philballphotography]

LOL at 16:00 - that look when you know youve just lost the engine. I know that feeling well. Gets you in the pit of your stomach.

[boardernut]

@philballphotography yeah :( been there

[MrPaulrevere]

@philballphotography haha, I know the feeling when the motor in my track car went boom.

[skvfighter]

@philballphotography even better is the half-laugh only five seconds later

[Kingdom12]

'an overwhelming atmosphere of depression creeps in' hahah

[Kingdom12]

'the tedious business of engine mapping'

[cbireland]

Excellent Vid. Thanks for posting. Really enjoyed.

[jerseypaulbentley]

One of the best videos on the net. Why dont they make programmes as good as this now. Great post.

[ironhidef1]

@jerseypaulbentley couldnt agree more man