Looks pretty impressive...huh? When you know the trajectory parameters of the ballistic target, it looks easy. But my question is, can Israel stop a saturation attack consisting of several hundred MRBMs coming from Iran? On top of that, Iran's Qiam 1 has terminal maneuverability, and uses thrust vectoring to avoid interception. Israel's best chance against Iran is to avoid military confrontation with them all together. Sort of like a cold war scenario, but it's better than the alternative.
No but they can significantly reduce the number that get through (also I would be highly sceptical about the quality of Iranian technology). How much can be reduced is not able to guess. But when the arrow 3 comes in it might be very significant. Overall (as long as it is not nuclear), the Iranian ballistic threat is very small - we can cope with a few missiles hitting. Hezbollah pose a much bigger threat
@chalitzah Well no one really knows what kind of scenario plays out in an actual confrontation which by the way, no one in their right mind would like to see proven. Do you agree with me on this? Where I disagree with you is that Iran's ballistic missile deterrence should not be taken lightly. The Western military analysts would agree with me on this, and in fact acknowledge that the Iranian technological capabilities are real, and formidable. But again, who wants to see it proven?
The war won't be a good thing for us (maybe 500 israelis will die). But I think we will strike in the next few years, and I think in the long run it will be better than if we don't strike. Overall, Iran has extremely backward technology, but they can still do some damage.
@chalitzah I respect your opinion, and do agree that the best thing for anyone is for Israel to mind it's own business and not seek a confrontation with Iran. It won't end well. Iran's tech is not backward. In fact, it has the fastest growing scientific rate in the world, especially in nano-tech, bio-tech, medicine, computer science, and electronics. Facts that Israel and the Western powers resent and would like to see curbed. It won't happen. And no, Israel cannot defeat Iran. End of story.
I work in science and no Iranian scientist publish ever anything in any top journal. PressTv was reporting that 2 years ago Iran has the fastest growing publication rate (I had a look the journals that they were publishing in are a joke). In science everything is about the quality of the journal.
Iran is incredibly backward scientifically and technologically. However, technology is not everything in war. And of course Iran can do a lot of damage to us through assymetric
@chalitzah The truth of the matter is you must get your information from a "Cracker Jack box". I would accept that Iran is not as advanced in some aspects of science and technology but to say that it is "incredibly backward" is showing not only me, but the rest of the people reading this that you are the one who is "backward" and in denial. The fact is it won't be you who has the last laugh. That's a pretty accurate description isn't it?
Iran is incredibly backward in science. No Iranian scientist publish anything important in that I even seen in the sciences. I never see them even in second-tier journal. Where are the Iranian nobel prize winners? Stop trolling my post. If you know anything about science, you would know this. Ask any professors or even grad students at your nearest university. You obviously don;t know about science
@IAmOpenMinded If you were really open-minded, it would be obvious and you wouldn't have to announce/brag about it. I don't think "open-minded" people end their statements with "end of story," either. Yes, it is undeniable that some individuals in some countries resent Iran's progress. However, it isn't right to assume that the entire country necessarily shares this sentiment. And if you're talking about resentment, you should look at both sides of the situation.
@timmiewilly WTF??? Why are you getting so philosophical about all this? When I mention a region or a country I'm not reffering to the entire population but it's leadership, and some of the common citizens of those countries who have allowed themselves to be influenced by false propganda. And yes, that's pretty much the "End of story". There's nothing else to consider.
@IAmOpenMinded Actually you are wrong, the missiles that Iran have that can try to avoid missiles can't. The reason for this is 2 interceptors are send in from 2 sides that will not let the missile divert.
Israel has tech that hasn't been released to the public.
@dymproductions First of all, show me your credentials in ballistic sciences that back up your claims. Stopping a surface to surface MRBM that has terminal maneuverability capability is near impossible with today's tech. And no, Israel is not as advanced as you make it out to be. Now that Hezbollah possesses a huge fleet of SRBMs, and MRBMs in addition to smart surface to air weapons, I doubt that Israel could take them on in the next war, let alone Iran.
actually, israel is much stronger than iran.Have you heard about the Jericho missile? im sure the iranians dont want to hear about that missile. serious now, you think that iran, is the strongest faction in the middle east? not at all, its israel, and you know it.
@foxman4455 Yes EVERYBODY has heard of the Jericho missile! It has a range of what? 4,000-5,000 kms? With that kind of range, who are these missiles really intended for? For your information, now that Hezbollah possesses some 40,000 surface to surface assets, and have also acquired advanced surface to air missiles, Israel stands little chance of against them, let alone Iran that still has hundreds of times that firepower. Compare Israel's landmass with Iran's. You'll see.
@IAmOpenMinded HEY HEY HOLD THE PHONE HERE, Hezbollah cant lower the dominance of the israeli air force, so they have SAM missiles... israel can use balistic misslies,UAV'S, hezbollah is not the problem.And in case of war, belive me, iraninan citizens will be scraed from the missile attack of israel.Israel do not stand little chance against hezbollah, if she can, let's say, defeat syria, so she cant defeat hezbollah? you are kidding me.
@foxman4455 Let me ask you a question? Who seems more afraid of the other? Iran or Israel. A reality check for one moment. Iran has pretty much done everything it wants to such as continuing to develop their nuclear energy program inspite of constant threats, and ineffective sanctions. Israel saber rattles against Iran, and does absolutely nothing, except use terrorists as proxies. Nobody including the Iranians want war but they are fully prepared to defend themselves, and win!
@IAmOpenMinded Oh i see now, you are NOT open minded, you are for the iranians... the country that has no democracy? yes it is much better than a country like israel, who has democracy, and all it tried do to in the last 63 years trying to defend it self, after a holocaust.One other thing to mention, if the sanctions will not help, Israel will attack, belive me, Israel will ATTACK.You can stay in the mind that Iran will win, The future will tell you were wrong.
@foxman4455 Look "foxy", don't try to insult my intelligence anymore. Sorry to break it to you but Iran has ALREADY WON! A FAILED military intervention by Israel or the United States will only be an extension, and logical conclusion of that fact. I am for the whole HUMAN RACE, not just for certain nationalities, so yes, I-AM-OPEN-MINDED! Look at yourself in the mirror before you point fingers as your train of thought is NOT moral or ethical. We're done discussing this topic!
@IAmOpenMinded If you were open minded, you wouldnt call the people of israel Zionist, but you do, and that's a shame.
IM SORRY, It's not easy to hear all this CRAP from people who dont even have a clue about they are talking about, and AS A PROUD ISRAELI, IM SICK OF THIS, NOW, WERE DONE DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC,PAL.
When Iran will get what it deserves from Israel, you will see what these technologies are designed for! Iran have no chance in the military way against Israel , with their old broken army. They have only those missiles but it's not enough
Don't you worry; Iran will show you fuckers what a real version of armaggedon looks like.
Almost all of these missile defenses are very unreliable. Iran has recently developed a newer version of the shahab and the fajr-3 that can evade this system.
Iran has never attacked another country, but if Israel attacks I wish them every luck in massacaring every single one of those Israeli shits.
For your information, North Korean missile technology is fairly advanced. It might be an impoverished and starving nation, but its survival is dependent on the military.
Iran has also got a strong technological base, and is benefiting from the return of thousands of scientists from overseas.
Oh-and Irans nuclear facilites & missile silos are reinforced enough to withstand ANY conventional bunker buster. Can't blow up Bushehr, (when the russians leave), because of fallout.
@5000433 I forgot to ask: any qualifications? Any connections with the military? Degree in maths, physics or anything relevant? Or does your "grap of technology" come from Jane's defence or Fox news?
@Mustardmonkey1 North Korea is impoverished because it is an isolated fascistic state. As Iran has become since 1979. No hearts and flowers for NK please.
@Mustardmonkey1 the point is arrow is the best ABM system on the planet, and if iran attempts to fire an NBC type weapon at Israeli population centres Israel would conduct a massive retaliation. It is highly problematic that any iranian warhead could penetrate, but what is beyond doubt is the impossibility of preventing an Israeli IRBM attack.
They cant even stop the fireworks launched from Gaza and Lebanon, for Gods sake how are they going to stop 1'000 missiles launched by Iran in 1 minute?? LOL XD
wThe arrow missile is for shooting down a long range missile like scud and Shihab. Israel will have in few month the now system that will shoot down little rockets like Grads.remember the nautilus? Thats an Israeli weapon! Dont forget it.
@Revolucionario02 It is much harder to stop small law range missiles than big range once. Yet Israeli minds have developed such system to called the Iron dome. And there is going to be another for medium range. Against 1000 missiles there is not much to do instead of staying in shelters. but after that Iran will get back into the stone age, which is what their fanatic Islamic leaders want.
Looks pretty impressive...huh? When you know the trajectory parameters of the ballistic target, it looks easy. But my question is, can Israel stop a saturation attack consisting of several hundred MRBMs coming from Iran? On top of that, Iran's Qiam 1 has terminal maneuverability, and uses thrust vectoring to avoid interception. Israel's best chance against Iran is to avoid military confrontation with them all together. Sort of like a cold war scenario, but it's better than the alternative.
IAmOpenMinded 8 months ago 2
@IAmOpenMinded
No but they can significantly reduce the number that get through (also I would be highly sceptical about the quality of Iranian technology). How much can be reduced is not able to guess. But when the arrow 3 comes in it might be very significant. Overall (as long as it is not nuclear), the Iranian ballistic threat is very small - we can cope with a few missiles hitting. Hezbollah pose a much bigger threat
chalitzah 3 months ago
@chalitzah Well no one really knows what kind of scenario plays out in an actual confrontation which by the way, no one in their right mind would like to see proven. Do you agree with me on this? Where I disagree with you is that Iran's ballistic missile deterrence should not be taken lightly. The Western military analysts would agree with me on this, and in fact acknowledge that the Iranian technological capabilities are real, and formidable. But again, who wants to see it proven?
IAmOpenMinded 3 months ago
@IAmOpenMinded
The war won't be a good thing for us (maybe 500 israelis will die). But I think we will strike in the next few years, and I think in the long run it will be better than if we don't strike. Overall, Iran has extremely backward technology, but they can still do some damage.
chalitzah 3 months ago
@chalitzah I respect your opinion, and do agree that the best thing for anyone is for Israel to mind it's own business and not seek a confrontation with Iran. It won't end well. Iran's tech is not backward. In fact, it has the fastest growing scientific rate in the world, especially in nano-tech, bio-tech, medicine, computer science, and electronics. Facts that Israel and the Western powers resent and would like to see curbed. It won't happen. And no, Israel cannot defeat Iran. End of story.
IAmOpenMinded 3 months ago
I work in science and no Iranian scientist publish ever anything in any top journal. PressTv was reporting that 2 years ago Iran has the fastest growing publication rate (I had a look the journals that they were publishing in are a joke). In science everything is about the quality of the journal.
Iran is incredibly backward scientifically and technologically. However, technology is not everything in war. And of course Iran can do a lot of damage to us through assymetric
chalitzah 3 months ago
@chalitzah The truth of the matter is you must get your information from a "Cracker Jack box". I would accept that Iran is not as advanced in some aspects of science and technology but to say that it is "incredibly backward" is showing not only me, but the rest of the people reading this that you are the one who is "backward" and in denial. The fact is it won't be you who has the last laugh. That's a pretty accurate description isn't it?
IAmOpenMinded 2 months ago
@IAmOpenMinded
Iran is incredibly backward in science. No Iranian scientist publish anything important in that I even seen in the sciences. I never see them even in second-tier journal. Where are the Iranian nobel prize winners? Stop trolling my post. If you know anything about science, you would know this. Ask any professors or even grad students at your nearest university. You obviously don;t know about science
chalitzah 1 month ago
@chalitzah If you really worked in science, you wouldn't be posting such non sense. The joke of the year!!!
IAmOpenMinded 2 months ago
@IAmOpenMinded If you were really open-minded, it would be obvious and you wouldn't have to announce/brag about it. I don't think "open-minded" people end their statements with "end of story," either. Yes, it is undeniable that some individuals in some countries resent Iran's progress. However, it isn't right to assume that the entire country necessarily shares this sentiment. And if you're talking about resentment, you should look at both sides of the situation.
timmiewilly 2 months ago
@timmiewilly WTF??? Why are you getting so philosophical about all this? When I mention a region or a country I'm not reffering to the entire population but it's leadership, and some of the common citizens of those countries who have allowed themselves to be influenced by false propganda. And yes, that's pretty much the "End of story". There's nothing else to consider.
IAmOpenMinded 2 months ago
@IAmOpenMinded Actually you are wrong, the missiles that Iran have that can try to avoid missiles can't. The reason for this is 2 interceptors are send in from 2 sides that will not let the missile divert.
Israel has tech that hasn't been released to the public.
dymproductions 3 weeks ago
@dymproductions First of all, show me your credentials in ballistic sciences that back up your claims. Stopping a surface to surface MRBM that has terminal maneuverability capability is near impossible with today's tech. And no, Israel is not as advanced as you make it out to be. Now that Hezbollah possesses a huge fleet of SRBMs, and MRBMs in addition to smart surface to air weapons, I doubt that Israel could take them on in the next war, let alone Iran.
IAmOpenMinded 3 weeks ago
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jimmel53 1 week ago
@IAmOpenMinded dont think israel dont have power.
actually, israel is much stronger than iran.Have you heard about the Jericho missile? im sure the iranians dont want to hear about that missile. serious now, you think that iran, is the strongest faction in the middle east? not at all, its israel, and you know it.
foxman4455 1 week ago
@foxman4455 Yes EVERYBODY has heard of the Jericho missile! It has a range of what? 4,000-5,000 kms? With that kind of range, who are these missiles really intended for? For your information, now that Hezbollah possesses some 40,000 surface to surface assets, and have also acquired advanced surface to air missiles, Israel stands little chance of against them, let alone Iran that still has hundreds of times that firepower. Compare Israel's landmass with Iran's. You'll see.
IAmOpenMinded 1 week ago
@IAmOpenMinded HEY HEY HOLD THE PHONE HERE, Hezbollah cant lower the dominance of the israeli air force, so they have SAM missiles... israel can use balistic misslies,UAV'S, hezbollah is not the problem.And in case of war, belive me, iraninan citizens will be scraed from the missile attack of israel.Israel do not stand little chance against hezbollah, if she can, let's say, defeat syria, so she cant defeat hezbollah? you are kidding me.
foxman4455 1 week ago
@foxman4455 Let me ask you a question? Who seems more afraid of the other? Iran or Israel. A reality check for one moment. Iran has pretty much done everything it wants to such as continuing to develop their nuclear energy program inspite of constant threats, and ineffective sanctions. Israel saber rattles against Iran, and does absolutely nothing, except use terrorists as proxies. Nobody including the Iranians want war but they are fully prepared to defend themselves, and win!
IAmOpenMinded 5 days ago
@IAmOpenMinded Oh i see now, you are NOT open minded, you are for the iranians... the country that has no democracy? yes it is much better than a country like israel, who has democracy, and all it tried do to in the last 63 years trying to defend it self, after a holocaust.One other thing to mention, if the sanctions will not help, Israel will attack, belive me, Israel will ATTACK.You can stay in the mind that Iran will win, The future will tell you were wrong.
foxman4455 4 days ago
@foxman4455 Look "foxy", don't try to insult my intelligence anymore. Sorry to break it to you but Iran has ALREADY WON! A FAILED military intervention by Israel or the United States will only be an extension, and logical conclusion of that fact. I am for the whole HUMAN RACE, not just for certain nationalities, so yes, I-AM-OPEN-MINDED! Look at yourself in the mirror before you point fingers as your train of thought is NOT moral or ethical. We're done discussing this topic!
IAmOpenMinded 4 days ago
@IAmOpenMinded If you were open minded, you wouldnt call the people of israel Zionist, but you do, and that's a shame.
IM SORRY, It's not easy to hear all this CRAP from people who dont even have a clue about they are talking about, and AS A PROUD ISRAELI, IM SICK OF THIS, NOW, WERE DONE DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC,PAL.
foxman4455 4 days ago
ISRAEL IS TERROR STATE!!!!
THEY ARE KILIIN INNOCENT MISSELS!!!!!
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elady58 6 months ago
@Mangano22 lol
avivby 5 months ago
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Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
Anyone here seriously think it's possible to shoot down more than 70% of MRBM's? (Let alone ICBM's). If 3/10 nukes get through then is that a defense?
We will one day see mushroom clouds above Tel Aviv and Jerusalem...will be a nice site....
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
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ISRAEL SHOULD BE WIPED OFF THE MAP.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
When Iran will get what it deserves from Israel, you will see what these technologies are designed for! Iran have no chance in the military way against Israel , with their old broken army. They have only those missiles but it's not enough
mazd54 2 years ago
@mazd54
Don't you worry; Iran will show you fuckers what a real version of armaggedon looks like.
Almost all of these missile defenses are very unreliable. Iran has recently developed a newer version of the shahab and the fajr-3 that can evade this system.
Iran has never attacked another country, but if Israel attacks I wish them every luck in massacaring every single one of those Israeli shits.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@Mustardmonkey1 Iran is shortly going to be the largest piece of glass in history if it pushes its luck with the Jewish nation sucker.
You obviously have little grasp of technology. Iranian copies of crap n korean stovepipes vs Arrow?????????? LLLOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
5000433 1 year ago
@5000433
For your information, North Korean missile technology is fairly advanced. It might be an impoverished and starving nation, but its survival is dependent on the military.
Iran has also got a strong technological base, and is benefiting from the return of thousands of scientists from overseas.
Oh-and Irans nuclear facilites & missile silos are reinforced enough to withstand ANY conventional bunker buster. Can't blow up Bushehr, (when the russians leave), because of fallout.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@5000433 I forgot to ask: any qualifications? Any connections with the military? Degree in maths, physics or anything relevant? Or does your "grap of technology" come from Jane's defence or Fox news?
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@Mustardmonkey1 Both actually. How about you? Al jazeera?
5000433 1 year ago
@5000433
Most of the Arab states are opposed to Iran, so please, get your facts right.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@5000433
"Both actually" BULLSHIT.
Most of the Arab states are opposed to Iran, so please, get your facts right.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@Mustardmonkey1 LOL how little you know.
5000433 1 year ago
@5000433 Great comeback
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@Mustardmonkey1 North Korea is impoverished because it is an isolated fascistic state. As Iran has become since 1979. No hearts and flowers for NK please.
5000433 1 year ago
@5000433
There'll be plenty of hearts and flowers for all the dead American soldiers if they are ever stupid enough to invade.
The NK regime has got to be the most barbaric and dangerous one on earth. But that doesn't mean they lack discipline or determination.
Anyone who thinks that regimes like these can't throw some shit staright back at them is FUCKING RETARDED.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@5000433
There'll be plenty of hearts and flowers for all the dead American soldiers if they are ever stupid enough to invade.
The NK regime has got to be the most barbaric and dangerous one on earth. But that doesn't mean they lack discipline or determination.
Anyone who thinks that regimes like these can't throw some shit straight back at them is FUCKING RETARDED.
Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
@Mustardmonkey1 the point is arrow is the best ABM system on the planet, and if iran attempts to fire an NBC type weapon at Israeli population centres Israel would conduct a massive retaliation. It is highly problematic that any iranian warhead could penetrate, but what is beyond doubt is the impossibility of preventing an Israeli IRBM attack.
5000433 1 year ago
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Mustardmonkey1 1 year ago
They cant even stop the fireworks launched from Gaza and Lebanon, for Gods sake how are they going to stop 1'000 missiles launched by Iran in 1 minute?? LOL XD
Israel is shitting in its pants.
Revolucionario02 2 years ago
Thank you! hahaha...This missile defense nonsense is nothing but psychological warfare.
Adnowwwwn 2 years ago
wThe arrow missile is for shooting down a long range missile like scud and Shihab. Israel will have in few month the now system that will shoot down little rockets like Grads.remember the nautilus? Thats an Israeli weapon! Dont forget it.
mazd54 2 years ago
@Revolucionario02
You are dumb enough to ask such question, therefore you are dumb enough not to understand the answer....
IsraeliXdude 1 year ago
@Revolucionario02 It is much harder to stop small law range missiles than big range once. Yet Israeli minds have developed such system to called the Iron dome. And there is going to be another for medium range. Against 1000 missiles there is not much to do instead of staying in shelters. but after that Iran will get back into the stone age, which is what their fanatic Islamic leaders want.
shishlik86 1 year ago