Its getting worse Louisville High School players were penalized for pointing to the sky and it cost them the game check it out here: youtube.com/watch?v=H8i2wRj_kxk
@daddybonzita1 look man i'm not getting into a stupid political debate. i like obama, i'll say that much. but, his election has nothing to do whether if god exists or not. I do believe he does, you may not...but i don't care.
@7luckybitch You take a weak position that God's existence cannot be proven. You yourself are proof that God exists. Before reading this Youtube post, I didn't know you existed. How absurd would it be for me to dispute your existence just because I had never met you? The only reason you don't believe God exists is you have never met Him. Everyone has a god or God depending on how you look at it. You cannot see your god either, but you will meet him one day... Death is his name.
@7luckybitch Ur a fuck...Seriously...you have no respect for others religions. Dont fuck yourself..that doesnt work..go jump off a bridge while pointing to the sky u douchebag. (:
@IamGAWD777 lol... shit was written in a book a long time ago, really the only difference between belieiving in fire giants, thor, viking shit etc and your god is that it is much much more common, and exceptable to believe a bunch of bullshit that the world is 6000 years old
I'm not really religious and kind of an atheist myself but I fucking hate atheists. I don't want to be associated with them. They are always trying to say that someones beliefs are wrong and that it is dumb to believe in that. Most atheists are a bunch of pricks. I wont tell you whether what you believe is right or wrong because I'm cool with whatever. I myself just don't know what I believe.
@ConnorxNxKC same here man. though im more of a believer, some of them just tries to prove a point with no reason at all. Thats why we have freedom! We can believe anything we want! GO MAN!
@Juice8711 My team played after them, tumwater annihalated them i think the final score they were winning by 40 something. It was excessive that he did it every time maybe if it was a close game but it was very unsportsmanlike. Tumwater raped east valley there was no reason to shove it in their faces
Ok, people enough. Just stop it, look we can't prove he's real and you can't prove he isn't alright? However you who don't believe and we who do can agree on one thing, we don't know what happens when you die. We don't know if you're able to go to a new the world called Heaven or just rot underground forever. The only thing we're left with on earth is our on free will of thinking and living, but in the end only we ourselfevs can find out the truth.
He didn't get suspended for recognizing god, he got suspended for bring attention to himself... which is against the rules, its not because he recognized god
Ok, well just like people would like respect for not believing in God, I think respect should be given as well to people who do believe. And I don't just mean that in the video, but here too.
U left out the part of the rule that states 'an excessive or prolonged act'. It was neither. That's the point. It's not cuz he made a religious gesture, it's cuz he didn't disrupt the flow of the game. Most players do something after a TD. The ref overreacted.
" You make all of us look stupid and crazy judgemental"
Ironically, it's ur own bias that has led u to side with the ref, cuz u incorrectly assume we r complaining simply cuz it was a religious gesture. Don't be so judgemental.
SEEMS TO ME, THAT REFREE NEEDS TO KNOW OF A MAN I KNOW,, HIS NAME IS JESUS, THAT IS GOOD OF A YOUNG MAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS, GOD BLESS THIS YOUNG MAN, AND GOD HELP THE REFREE
@mjdeerhunter JESUS WAS A DELUSIONAL. THERE IS NO GOD. IT'S ALL JUST MADE UP STORIES, RATHER LIKE STAR WARS BUT MORE BORING. PLEASE WAKE UP TO MODERN TIMES AND GET OVER YOUR SILLY SUPERSTITIONS.
@gethsemeny ok but who cares if we believe in god? and who cares if you don't believe in god? this vid was supposedly to show a fucking referee penalizing a kid after a touch down.
I KNOW THIS BOY AND THE FAMILY IS MUSLIMS. THEY LIE TO TV ABOUT IT BUT I LIVE IN TUMWATER AND EVERUBODY HERE KNOW THEY IS MUSLIMS. SO HE PRAISE TO ALLAH NOT GOD. HE COULD BE TERRORIST!!! WE CANNOT LET TERRORIST WIN.
@tdr124 you know what? oxygen isn't such a big deal. it's been around for so long, it's only requires to sustain life. but then again, some people would be pretty damn happy if life didn't exist.
All right, we all need to keep the debate about religion for another forum.
As for the play and call, the NCAA allows for a player to make a gesture of prayer but as for the NFHS book, there is no such clause.
In my opinion, the foul is defended by rule, but the use of it in this case is rather poor. I feel it was more the back judge making himself to be seen. The referee should have waved the foul off and then spoken to the coach to inform the player not to do it again. Much ado about nothing
@jpmac098 Yes I know. but, just because people have the freedom to argue doesn't make people arguing on youtube any more sensible. Arguing over the existence of god is a waste of time. I believe in god, but other people don't. and i don't really give a shit if they don't. it's their life.
@loonmaniac shut the hell up. Ignorant? If I'm accepting the fact that he wants to express him religion, how is that ignorant? It's ignorant of you to call me out and call me a motherfucker, for simply not knowing the rules of yellow flags in NFL. Hell, why should the rules be any different? Jumping all over your team mates and spooning the ball should be excessive celebration then too, a kid made a gesture to his God, grow a pain you fucking hippie.
@SpreadingTruth4111 Your user names says it all. Guess you have been there done that and even have the Tshirt. You really dont care how anyone beleaves you just want to rely and Spread The Truth lol according to you and how you beleave. Which We are all intitled to do or not. Beleave or not to Beleave i dont care how you beleave you moron as you say. Whom are we that do beleave hurting? Besides you wouldnt have anything better to do but reply to our post with what you beleave!
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"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh..." (Joel 2:1)
@ChristAmbassador1>Job 24:1 ¶ Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days? (Yes we "see", He has show us the 'Time of the End' just from the Bible!) Dan 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. (These are the 'latter days')And now in these last days God is opening the Bible (removing the seals) for His children to know His end time Judgment.
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back when I played football in high school, after the guy win or lose, the whole team took a knee and prayed, im sure there were atheist football players, but its still a tradition
So where's the penalty? That doesn't look like a celebration to me. It doesn't look like bad sportsmanship to me. Yet it's treated worse than flipping the defenders the bird. I don't get it. Can someone explain how this is bad sportsmanship to me? Because it looks like nothing more than a personal expression of belief.
@kubush is breaking the rules gesturing in a 3 second ritual to god? thats just as ridiculous as the nfl fining 50,000 dollars to a player for "illegal hits"
@gavinpop Whether it is religious or not. You aren't allowed to celebrate a touchdown. That is part of the rules. Maybe it's a shitty rule but don't blame the ref for enforcing it or pretend like this is just picking on the poor Christian because it has nothing to do with that. The rule applies to everyone equally, and he doesn't get an exemption simply because he is religious.
@kubush you dont realize. im on this kids team. he has done this every game. and we have seen plenty of crazy touchdown celebrations worse than that going unpenalized.
@slvrwndxtr Just because he has gotten away with it before doesn't mean he isn't breaking the rules. And pointing to the fact that others have gotten away with breaking the rules is not an excuse.
@kubush so you say its not exclusive to christians, but why do you say that christians always complain? anyone would say its ridiculous. right? thats what you said
@ihmen you have no right to judge me, especially wrongful judgement. i am not a liar. the subject title i got off a site, but it was source i used to accompany what i knew. just because what i said was similar to what i found, does not mean that i copied it. i understood everything it had to say, and i completely agree. it only helped to infuse whatever thoughts i had before on the subject. stop being so childish.
@DaggersDen Boy, you sure are fixated on homosexuality. Keep em' coming, though, if it makes you feel better. Keeping things bottled up is never good for you...
Good going Ronnie ... I'm sure the Eternal Ref appreciated it. Of course, the game ref could have just been following the rules fairly--I don't know that league history.
I'm just going to hope you were being an idiot to be funny. IF you were serious... well... there's not enough space in ten youtube comments to address all the problems in your comment and with your argument.
Good ref. I believe it was the right call, not only did it break a rule, but not everyone wants to see that. Plus it looks like he is shooting everyone a bird.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 18: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
@DrBlousonNoir Very true, but that does not excuse a player from F-bombing an official, receive a 15 yd. penalty, and challenge it under Article 1 of the Constitution: The freedom of speech.
The situation was handled poorly by the officiating crew. Enough said. Not all officials are going to come out and start calling fouls on this behavior.
@jeremyshambles thank you. and yeah, that's exactly why i don't want to argue with anyone on here about it. i respect what everyone believes. i have friends of many beliefs, and we get along perfectly. in fact, my best friend is an atheist and we have never disrespected each other's views. i guess it's just about being cooperative, remembering we're all people, and keeping an open mind.
All right, we all need to keep the debate about religion for another forum.
As for the play and call, the NCAA allows for a player to make a gesture of prayer but as for the NFHS book, there is no such clause.
In my opinion, the foul is defended by rule, but the use of it in this case is rather poor. I feel it was more the back judge making himself to be seen. The referee should have waved the foul off and then spoken to the coach to inform the player not to do it again. Much Ado about nothing
The reason why your Minister, Pastor or Priest ignores the Bible is because God is imaginary. If God were real, your Minister, Pastor or Priest would be following the Bible to the letter. And so would you.
2nd - its has hard to prove god existence as its non existence 3rd my exemple was bad. but im trying to say that reality doesnt change only the humans knowledge over it. and theres ways to logically think that there is no god but saying that he doesnt exist becouse theres no evidence tht he does is not one of them. 4th sorry about my english
@SpreadingTruth4111 thats why the god's existence isnt a science question. a scientist just asks questions that he can get a proven answer. about the christian god that one is just paradoxal and illogical and so is the bible. and at last if you dont ask questions you will never be aware of how little is your knowledge so you can finaly seek true and rational answers. how sure are you of things that science considers real? an inductive logic can be wrong if you apply it to all the universe
Can your Minister, Pastor or Priest drink poison without dying? If not, according to Jesus, he must not believe. Simply think about it. Jesus and the Bible are quite clear about these things. And your Minister, Pastor or Priest should have the closest connection to Jesus of anyone you know. Is your Minister, Pastor or Priest following the Bible? Probably not. There is no one you know who is doing all of these things. There is no Christian on earth who can drink poison without dying.
In Mark 16:17-18, Jesus is very clear about what True Christians will be able to do to demonstrate their belief: "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
n Matthew 19:21 Jesus says:"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Does your Minister, Pastor or Priest live in a nice house, drive a nice car, wear nice clothes? Why? Why isn't he listening to Jesus? Live what you preach and give me your money and possessions, Jesus say's to do so and there is no arguing him, correct? If that's the case please send your material things including money to me, TY,,,,
@jesseEar528 Yeah, that's very religious of you and short sighted. I make one mistake and now I'm a retard. Although you did use the word retard and now god hates you. I'm going to go through your comments and see how many grammatical errors you make, but don't worry, I won't judge.
@hinarf You know, you might have deserved a response if you hadn't said that God hates me for saying the word "retard". That just proved my point further. And actually, I didn't really know it was true when I said it, but now I do.
@jesseEar528 Well I was being as serious as I ever was about any of this stupid crap. Btw you just told me I don't deserve a response, with a response. ... confuzzled.
In Matthew 6:19-21, Jesus tells his followers to give up on possessions:"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would appear when people pray to see him. The reason why he does not appear is simple: Both Jesus and God are imaginary.
What you are saying is, "the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. Leprechauns). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.
What about Jesus' famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe"? What you realize is that this statement creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die (everybody does) and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe."
Yet there is no evidence that it is true, and there are many alternative explanations for what Paul is saying. Paul could be fabricating the story, Paul could have hallucinated or dreamed the meeting, Paul could have seen an impostor, etc. In addition, no one is seeing Jesus today, even though it would be trivial and obvious for Jesus to appear to people today just like he did with Paul, and Jesus promises in the Bible that he will answer our prayers.
How do we explain the fact that this prayer goes unanswered, no matter who prays, despite Jesus' promise that he will answer our prayers?As you think about this, you will realize that Paul's story in the Bible is false. Simply look at Paul's story like any judge in a courtroom would. What Paul's story in 1 Cor 15 is suggesting is entirely unprecedented - a man dead three days with mortal wounds came back to life.
@sidewayzinthe505 Typical response by the Church when they can't even explain their own BS...Save your crap for the next sucker. Read the bible instead of saying I'm taking the verses out of context. I would be more than happy to scan the bible page for you if you tube allowed me to post as a pic. Read the bible before sticking up for it. Now go commit rape, pedophilia, etc and say a couple prayers and ask for forgiveness. Who's a hypocrite. Geez, "the dumb shall inherit the earth more like it."
Done arguing with you sheep....Keep praying suckers, and if you really feel like throwing 10% of your check please send it to me. I will make sure it goes to a good place, like actually helping the less fortunate and not the Church of suckers.
Unfortunately, the fact is that thousands of things are impossible for you no matter how much you pray, and no one (including Jesus) has ever moved a mountain. In order to see the truth, you need to accept the fact that all of the above verses are wrong. The fact is, God does not answer prayers. The reason why God does not answer your prayers is simple: God is imaginary.
He would know that normal people will be reading the Bible and interpreting it in normal ways, so he would speak in such a way as to avoid mis-interpretation (he would speak clearly). He would know that when you say, "Nothing will be impossible for you", that what it means is, "Nothing will be impossible for you" and he would make sure that the statement "Nothing will be impossible for you" is accurate (he would speak the truth). If God says it, it should be true -- otherwise he is not perfect.
f a perfect being is going to make statements about how prayer works in the Bible, then three things are certain: 1) He would speak clearly, 2) he would say what he means, and 3) he would speak the truth. That is what "being perfect" is all about. A perfect, all-knowing God would know that people would be reading the Bible 2,000 years later, and therefore he would not use first-century idioms (he would say what he means).
The problem is, all of these rationalizations miss two important points: 1. God is supposed to be an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect being. 2. The statement, "Nothing will be impossible for you", along with the other Bible verses quoted above, are false. The fact is, lots of things are impossible for you.
or: God is not a thing. He is a being. He has a will. He has desires. He relates to people. He has personality traits. Prayer is a fancy word for talking to God. God, who knows everything, even before we say it, knows the difference between our thoughts and wishes, and when we are actually addressing him. He hears our prayers and responds. His responses are based on his personal decisions. We cannot predict how he will respond to our prayers.
or: "When Jesus talked about 'moving a mountain', he was speaking metaphorically. When someone says, 'it is raining cats and dogs,' no one takes him literally. Jesus was using a figure of speech rather than speaking literally..."
Believers have many different ways to explain why all these verses in the Bible do not work, even if you are praying sincerely, unselfishly and non-materialistically, and even if the answer to your prayer would help millions of people and glorify God in the process. They will say things like this: "You need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context the first century civilization in which he was speaking..."
It means that God cannot answer any prayer. Also, why is a God who must remain hidden like this incarnating himself and writing the Bible? If Jesus is God, and if God is perfect, why aren't all of Jesus's verses about prayer true? Was Jesus exaggerating? Was he fibbing? If Jesus is perfect, why wouldn't he speak the truth? Why doesn't a prayer to cure cancer worldwide tomorrow work?
@Thechosenchicken I have been involved in many faiths(islam,catholic,lutheran,methodist,baptist) prior to my exodus from the church/churches. If the people of faith are exaggerating the word of God for their own purpose(BTW this rampant) should they not be handed the sentence of death as God would seem fit?
People who have cancer die because it's their time to go. Death is a part of life. It doesn't matter when, where, or who you are. 100% of people die and everyone suffers. Everyone's time will come eventually. You can't control when that will be. What you can control is whether you follow Jesus to heaven or Satan to hell. You shouldn't be concerned with how you die. What you should be concerned with is where you will go when you die because you are going to die whether you like it or not.
A favorite Christian rationalization for why God does not answer our prayer to eliminate cancer is because "it would take away free will." The logic: If you pray and God answers your prayer, then God would have revealed himself to you, and you would know that God exists. That would take away your free will to believe in him. Of course, if this is true, then by default all of Jesus' statements about prayer in the Bible are false.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. f you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true.
Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Go Ronnie!!!!
MichaelJCortez 2 months ago
look I dont care about what religion he his but just keep it private and in church thnx
mimmerman14 2 months ago
Somebody should neck that mother fucking ref.
xxnukezxx 3 months ago
"Ya know the kid's on the field, he scored a touchdown, and he's in there celebrating. Perfectly good kid."
"Yeah why would the ref flag him?"
"He's a jackass..."
*Laughter*
"Come on guys cut the stupidboy(167) some slack." :D
Stupidboy167 5 months ago
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TheEpinephrineInMe 6 months ago
Its getting worse Louisville High School players were penalized for pointing to the sky and it cost them the game check it out here: youtube.com/watch?v=H8i2wRj_kxk
leopardsmedia 6 months ago
if god exists, why is obama president?
daddybonzita1 6 months ago
@daddybonzita1 cuz the people elected him, idiot.
phillyphan1994 5 months ago
@phillyphan1994 no, cause the idiots elected him
daddybonzita1 5 months ago
@daddybonzita1 look man i'm not getting into a stupid political debate. i like obama, i'll say that much. but, his election has nothing to do whether if god exists or not. I do believe he does, you may not...but i don't care.
phillyphan1994 5 months ago
I was at that game in the Tacoma Dome. With the THS NEST. GO T-BIRDS!!!!!!!
quickthequickster 7 months ago
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TheEpinephrineInMe 7 months ago
There is no need to be made people god will handle those who try to stop there praise people give him. Trust in god and he will handle the rest.
Xavierlloisd 7 months ago
I play runningback too & the refs bitch at me when I do it too ..
ladiesman217421 7 months ago
I go to school with him :)
ashypooxd 7 months ago
That ref blows cock............
strongarmeric 8 months ago
hes an atheist lol
klondikebar1123 8 months ago
@7luckybitch You take a weak position that God's existence cannot be proven. You yourself are proof that God exists. Before reading this Youtube post, I didn't know you existed. How absurd would it be for me to dispute your existence just because I had never met you? The only reason you don't believe God exists is you have never met Him. Everyone has a god or God depending on how you look at it. You cannot see your god either, but you will meet him one day... Death is his name.
mhuffman777 9 months ago
@7luckybitch actually there is proof of existence, its called the bible, dumb ass
SeniorHeadPumpkin 9 months ago
@7luckybitch Ur a fuck...Seriously...you have no respect for others religions. Dont fuck yourself..that doesnt work..go jump off a bridge while pointing to the sky u douchebag. (:
badgirl94player 10 months ago
@7luckybitch go fuck yourself
TheSquishey 11 months ago
@IamGAWD777 lol... shit was written in a book a long time ago, really the only difference between belieiving in fire giants, thor, viking shit etc and your god is that it is much much more common, and exceptable to believe a bunch of bullshit that the world is 6000 years old
scamperscamper1 11 months ago
@7luckybitch good job? its okay to believe whatever you want, but dont stop someone else from doing the same thing
SkittlezzIdilzz 1 year ago
God is dead...
djanzon 1 year ago
@djanzon screw you
TheSquishey 11 months ago
@TheSquishey You got pwned!!!!!! bitch!!!!
iEatRabbits1 11 months ago
@iEatRabbits1 yeah he did :P
TheSquishey 11 months ago
thumbs up if u think that ref is an athiest
DarkKnight3542 1 year ago 2
football fucks you up. but i never thought it was this stupid.
robyboy718 1 year ago
I'm not really religious and kind of an atheist myself but I fucking hate atheists. I don't want to be associated with them. They are always trying to say that someones beliefs are wrong and that it is dumb to believe in that. Most atheists are a bunch of pricks. I wont tell you whether what you believe is right or wrong because I'm cool with whatever. I myself just don't know what I believe.
ConnorxNxKC 1 year ago
@ConnorxNxKC same here man. though im more of a believer, some of them just tries to prove a point with no reason at all. Thats why we have freedom! We can believe anything we want! GO MAN!
zephster07 1 year ago
@ConnorxNxKC fuck you
hall0333 1 year ago
@hall0333 Haha? Because I tell the truth?
ConnorxNxKC 1 year ago
@ConnorxNxKC Aggreed
AEIOU123454321 1 year ago
well hes mormon
darkiz7 1 year ago
sad that the officials cant wait 5 seconds for the player to give thanks to God after using the gifts that he was given.
exqb18 1 year ago
ha that refs a fuckin retard
Juice8711 1 year ago 24
@Juice8711 My team played after them, tumwater annihalated them i think the final score they were winning by 40 something. It was excessive that he did it every time maybe if it was a close game but it was very unsportsmanlike. Tumwater raped east valley there was no reason to shove it in their faces
Baileysmaker 1 year ago
@gethsemeny he said jesus u idiot.
KENElovesKASH 1 year ago
Stupid call, stupid religious guy. Goes both ways here.
aesutton 1 year ago
Stupid refs.
AirlinePilotZJ 1 year ago 7
Well, I bet this will be on every officials training video on what NOT to call excessive celebration. Poor judgement. Bad call.
lem4037 1 year ago
Ok, people enough. Just stop it, look we can't prove he's real and you can't prove he isn't alright? However you who don't believe and we who do can agree on one thing, we don't know what happens when you die. We don't know if you're able to go to a new the world called Heaven or just rot underground forever. The only thing we're left with on earth is our on free will of thinking and living, but in the end only we ourselfevs can find out the truth.
almertha 1 year ago
@almertha damn your right!
zephster07 1 year ago
@Ndure13 don't say faggot, faggot
PopcornLukey 1 year ago
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@PopcornLukey faggot faggot faggot faggot faggot faggot faggot
TheAbdullah23 1 year ago
@mikewadesmith99 you can't hate something that doesn't exist.
PopcornLukey 1 year ago
@37303mike because there is no such thing as "the lord".
PopcornLukey 1 year ago
@paulstrong123 why can't god bless every country?
PopcornLukey 1 year ago
@skagaser you have a "tight" to?
PopcornLukey 1 year ago
He didn't get suspended for recognizing god, he got suspended for bring attention to himself... which is against the rules, its not because he recognized god
GiveBackRLand 1 year ago
God exists !!
domdom116 1 year ago
Ok, well just like people would like respect for not believing in God, I think respect should be given as well to people who do believe. And I don't just mean that in the video, but here too.
CaptainOats74 1 year ago
yep - he was praying to an illiterate magical jewish carpentar who is supposedly the architect of the universe...
lukeism2 1 year ago
god didn't help you score the touchdown, you did by practicing hard
p0tazzium 1 year ago
U left out the part of the rule that states 'an excessive or prolonged act'. It was neither. That's the point. It's not cuz he made a religious gesture, it's cuz he didn't disrupt the flow of the game. Most players do something after a TD. The ref overreacted.
" You make all of us look stupid and crazy judgemental"
Ironically, it's ur own bias that has led u to side with the ref, cuz u incorrectly assume we r complaining simply cuz it was a religious gesture. Don't be so judgemental.
jtravis282 1 year ago
@VivaLaLetsPlay Troll
hitbottomnow 1 year ago
What if he was Muslim and he made a gesture to Allah? I wonder how many of you bumpkins would be supporting this kid then.
gethsemeny 1 year ago
@gethsemeny Exactly.
Hunedpcl7 1 year ago
SEEMS TO ME, THAT REFREE NEEDS TO KNOW OF A MAN I KNOW,, HIS NAME IS JESUS, THAT IS GOOD OF A YOUNG MAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS, GOD BLESS THIS YOUNG MAN, AND GOD HELP THE REFREE
mjdeerhunter 1 year ago
@mjdeerhunter JESUS WAS A DELUSIONAL. THERE IS NO GOD. IT'S ALL JUST MADE UP STORIES, RATHER LIKE STAR WARS BUT MORE BORING. PLEASE WAKE UP TO MODERN TIMES AND GET OVER YOUR SILLY SUPERSTITIONS.
gethsemeny 1 year ago
@gethsemeny ok but who cares if we believe in god? and who cares if you don't believe in god? this vid was supposedly to show a fucking referee penalizing a kid after a touch down.
zephster07 1 year ago
Good. They should ban christian faggotry in all sports, jesus doesn't give you the strength to play football you dumb christian jock fuckface.
drketchup1988 1 year ago
@drketchup1988 whats with christian the hate? Its suppose to be a touchdown video with a douche bag ref.
zephster07 1 year ago
da ref worships satan
ghetto09876 1 year ago
@littlecaeser1212 like your mom
MrMandoG2 1 year ago
I KNOW THIS BOY AND THE FAMILY IS MUSLIMS. THEY LIE TO TV ABOUT IT BUT I LIVE IN TUMWATER AND EVERUBODY HERE KNOW THEY IS MUSLIMS. SO HE PRAISE TO ALLAH NOT GOD. HE COULD BE TERRORIST!!! WE CANNOT LET TERRORIST WIN.
gethsemeny 1 year ago
@gethsemeny
Uh, the are muslims, so they are terrorists?
I hope that's a joke dude...
puffti14 1 year ago
God hates flags.
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juliekim88 1 year ago
Yahh this finally put Tumwater on the map!!! lol
rockerkiddevin 1 year ago
The high school sports guy in charge is a fucking idiot.
TheKnightsofwar210 1 year ago
Unsportsmanlike like character?
Drawing attention to himself?
This referee is being extreme. . .he obviously needs to find a NEW career.
Seriously - pretty unbelievable and totally uncalled for.
LaydeeLiberty1234 1 year ago
i gesture to satan when i score. point down hell and make sure he knows im thankful for taking my soul as currency win this game.
goosengreen 1 year ago
Yahhhh! Tumwater high is the state champions of WA. PS: its a 2A school
GmGzY 1 year ago
@GmGzY Yeah I know! So Stoked
TheSkillet18 1 year ago
@Adikted2420 nah not really I respect ppl's own religion as wise I respect this high school player's religion
KByunish 1 year ago
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TheMarissaMariah 1 year ago
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gethsemeny 1 year ago
@gethsemeny what?! i have ABSOLUTETLY NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT!!
TheMarissaMariah 1 year ago
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gethsemeny 1 year ago
@mumbleye Hahaha. That's okay. I said i don't care if you don't care. You're still going to be in them whether you like it or not. Love you
heyhedge 1 year ago
@tdr124 you know what? oxygen isn't such a big deal. it's been around for so long, it's only requires to sustain life. but then again, some people would be pretty damn happy if life didn't exist.
frosty1433 1 year ago
@frosty1433 uhhm yeah i geuss so.
tdr124 1 year ago
I wonder if you're allowed to point at the ground to HELL!!!
Boneslinger88 1 year ago
All right, we all need to keep the debate about religion for another forum.
As for the play and call, the NCAA allows for a player to make a gesture of prayer but as for the NFHS book, there is no such clause.
In my opinion, the foul is defended by rule, but the use of it in this case is rather poor. I feel it was more the back judge making himself to be seen. The referee should have waved the foul off and then spoken to the coach to inform the player not to do it again. Much ado about nothing
lem4037 1 year ago
@NosoCOMINSOON Then you're not an agnostic. More like a deist.
Mumfin 1 year ago
@jpmac098 Yes I know. but, just because people have the freedom to argue doesn't make people arguing on youtube any more sensible. Arguing over the existence of god is a waste of time. I believe in god, but other people don't. and i don't really give a shit if they don't. it's their life.
halnone 1 year ago
@halnone Damn! I believe you man! Fuck them! Its their life and we've got no business with them!
zephster07 1 year ago
Oh and excuse me for the grammar police
*his, *pair
punkx4ever22 1 year ago
@loonmaniac shut the hell up. Ignorant? If I'm accepting the fact that he wants to express him religion, how is that ignorant? It's ignorant of you to call me out and call me a motherfucker, for simply not knowing the rules of yellow flags in NFL. Hell, why should the rules be any different? Jumping all over your team mates and spooning the ball should be excessive celebration then too, a kid made a gesture to his God, grow a pain you fucking hippie.
punkx4ever22 1 year ago
@SpreadingTruth4111 Your user names says it all. Guess you have been there done that and even have the Tshirt. You really dont care how anyone beleaves you just want to rely and Spread The Truth lol according to you and how you beleave. Which We are all intitled to do or not. Beleave or not to Beleave i dont care how you beleave you moron as you say. Whom are we that do beleave hurting? Besides you wouldnt have anything better to do but reply to our post with what you beleave!
vixensflower 1 year ago
@vixensflower
Alright, time for a spelling lesson. BELIEVE. Spell it with me. B.E.L.I.E.V.E. Not beleave...
SpreadingTruth4111 1 year ago
Praise the Lord! He and He alone Knows the End from the Beginning. Daniel 11:35 And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.
"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh..." (Joel 2:1)
ChristAmbassador1 1 year ago
@ChristAmbassador1>Job 24:1 ¶ Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days? (Yes we "see", He has show us the 'Time of the End' just from the Bible!) Dan 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. (These are the 'latter days')And now in these last days God is opening the Bible (removing the seals) for His children to know His end time Judgment.
ChristAmbassador1 1 year ago
@ChristAmbassador1>. This is the greatest miracle the world has ever known. “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.” (Habakkuk 2:3) The Bible is speaking as God has foretold!!! NOAH KNEW_ABRAHAM KNEW_LOT KNEW_MOSES KNEW_JOSHUA KNEW_RAHAB KNEW_ELIJAH KNEW_JONAH KNEW_NINEVEH KNEW_DANIEL KNEW_WE KNOW !_MAY 21, 2011_wwwWeCanKnowCom; wwwAreYouWatchingOrSleepingCom/
ChristAmbassador1 1 year ago
@b8thspartan Mainstream religion. I lol'd.
gir1258 1 year ago
how the fuck is this a flag
xJTAGxMODSx1600 1 year ago
Tumwater High School Reppin it. :)
Riza007 1 year ago
back when I played football in high school, after the guy win or lose, the whole team took a knee and prayed, im sure there were atheist football players, but its still a tradition
adambdpimp 1 year ago
Why don't kids give god the finger if they fail to score?
sakulin 1 year ago
That's what you get for being religious.
iAreCuteKitten 1 year ago
I'd say as soon as you run the ball across the line its a celebration . So there saying dont score ?
tarzwell50 1 year ago
So where's the penalty? That doesn't look like a celebration to me. It doesn't look like bad sportsmanship to me. Yet it's treated worse than flipping the defenders the bird. I don't get it. Can someone explain how this is bad sportsmanship to me? Because it looks like nothing more than a personal expression of belief.
springerjkreb 1 year ago
@DCvidz1 not to big into cognitive thinking, eh? I pardon you.
TrustKovacss 1 year ago
i wear tampons after anal sex
SuperJustinbeiberroc 1 year ago
@SuperJustinbeiberroc smartest comment yet...
peewarmwater 1 year ago
Looks like the debate is finally calming down. =D
derangedpranks 1 year ago
@kubush is breaking the rules gesturing in a 3 second ritual to god? thats just as ridiculous as the nfl fining 50,000 dollars to a player for "illegal hits"
gavinpop 1 year ago
@gavinpop Whether it is religious or not. You aren't allowed to celebrate a touchdown. That is part of the rules. Maybe it's a shitty rule but don't blame the ref for enforcing it or pretend like this is just picking on the poor Christian because it has nothing to do with that. The rule applies to everyone equally, and he doesn't get an exemption simply because he is religious.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush you dont realize. im on this kids team. he has done this every game. and we have seen plenty of crazy touchdown celebrations worse than that going unpenalized.
slvrwndxtr 1 year ago
@slvrwndxtr Just because he has gotten away with it before doesn't mean he isn't breaking the rules. And pointing to the fact that others have gotten away with breaking the rules is not an excuse.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush so you say its not exclusive to christians, but why do you say that christians always complain? anyone would say its ridiculous. right? thats what you said
gavinpop 1 year ago
@gavinpop Huh?
kubush 1 year ago
@ihmen you have no right to judge me, especially wrongful judgement. i am not a liar. the subject title i got off a site, but it was source i used to accompany what i knew. just because what i said was similar to what i found, does not mean that i copied it. i understood everything it had to say, and i completely agree. it only helped to infuse whatever thoughts i had before on the subject. stop being so childish.
sweetpea887 1 year ago
bad move by the ref.
I'm over it.
Fathoms09 1 year ago
@DaggersDen Boy, you sure are fixated on homosexuality. Keep em' coming, though, if it makes you feel better. Keeping things bottled up is never good for you...
2Majesties 1 year ago
@2Majesties Quit being gay.
DaggersDen 1 year ago
Good going Ronnie ... I'm sure the Eternal Ref appreciated it. Of course, the game ref could have just been following the rules fairly--I don't know that league history.
ThankYouStFrancis 1 year ago
@Uthfasbethud
I'm just going to hope you were being an idiot to be funny. IF you were serious... well... there's not enough space in ten youtube comments to address all the problems in your comment and with your argument.
Smullet90 1 year ago
the end is near
williepie 1 year ago
@williepie i couldn't agree more!!!!
superterrorizer67 1 year ago
@superterrorizer67 i cant wait for the rapture i want to get off this hell on earth
williepie 1 year ago
Good ref. I believe it was the right call, not only did it break a rule, but not everyone wants to see that. Plus it looks like he is shooting everyone a bird.
rthuether 1 year ago
God Bless Ronnie!!!!! we need more spiritually strong kids in this country...AND we need to be a nation "under God", again!!!!
superterrorizer67 1 year ago
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 18: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
DrBlousonNoir 1 year ago
@DrBlousonNoir Very true, but that does not excuse a player from F-bombing an official, receive a 15 yd. penalty, and challenge it under Article 1 of the Constitution: The freedom of speech.
The situation was handled poorly by the officiating crew. Enough said. Not all officials are going to come out and start calling fouls on this behavior.
lem4037 1 year ago
@jeremyshambles thank you. and yeah, that's exactly why i don't want to argue with anyone on here about it. i respect what everyone believes. i have friends of many beliefs, and we get along perfectly. in fact, my best friend is an atheist and we have never disrespected each other's views. i guess it's just about being cooperative, remembering we're all people, and keeping an open mind.
sweetpea887 1 year ago
All right, we all need to keep the debate about religion for another forum.
As for the play and call, the NCAA allows for a player to make a gesture of prayer but as for the NFHS book, there is no such clause.
In my opinion, the foul is defended by rule, but the use of it in this case is rather poor. I feel it was more the back judge making himself to be seen. The referee should have waved the foul off and then spoken to the coach to inform the player not to do it again. Much Ado about nothing
lem4037 1 year ago
You go Boy! Keep givin God the praise!!
tfarmerAZ 1 year ago
The reason why your Minister, Pastor or Priest ignores the Bible is because God is imaginary. If God were real, your Minister, Pastor or Priest would be following the Bible to the letter. And so would you.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
@blindw0lf
I'm also certain that if those priest believed in the Bible 100% they wouldn't go around molesting little boys.
SpreadingTruth4111 1 year ago
@SpreadingTruth4111 Tough call, there is a lot of whoring in the bible...But I like your argument.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
@blindw0lf
Kill the villagers, keep the virgins!
SpreadingTruth4111 1 year ago
@SpreadingTruth4111 1st- god's concept is way older than the bible.
2nd - its has hard to prove god existence as its non existence 3rd my exemple was bad. but im trying to say that reality doesnt change only the humans knowledge over it. and theres ways to logically think that there is no god but saying that he doesnt exist becouse theres no evidence tht he does is not one of them. 4th sorry about my english
jarbas4006 1 year ago
@jarbas4006
"god's concept is way older than the bible."
Depends which God you're talking about. I was talking about the Christian God.
"but im trying to say that reality doesnt change only the humans knowledge over it."
Well then we come back to finding proof that God is a reality. There is proof that gravity is a reality.
"its has hard to prove god existence as its non existence"
Then why follow something that provides no proof?
SpreadingTruth4111 1 year ago
@SpreadingTruth4111 thats why the god's existence isnt a science question. a scientist just asks questions that he can get a proven answer. about the christian god that one is just paradoxal and illogical and so is the bible. and at last if you dont ask questions you will never be aware of how little is your knowledge so you can finaly seek true and rational answers. how sure are you of things that science considers real? an inductive logic can be wrong if you apply it to all the universe
jarbas4006 1 year ago
Can your Minister, Pastor or Priest drink poison without dying? If not, according to Jesus, he must not believe. Simply think about it. Jesus and the Bible are quite clear about these things. And your Minister, Pastor or Priest should have the closest connection to Jesus of anyone you know. Is your Minister, Pastor or Priest following the Bible? Probably not. There is no one you know who is doing all of these things. There is no Christian on earth who can drink poison without dying.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
In Mark 16:17-18, Jesus is very clear about what True Christians will be able to do to demonstrate their belief: "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
blindw0lf 1 year ago
n Matthew 19:21 Jesus says:"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Does your Minister, Pastor or Priest live in a nice house, drive a nice car, wear nice clothes? Why? Why isn't he listening to Jesus? Live what you preach and give me your money and possessions, Jesus say's to do so and there is no arguing him, correct? If that's the case please send your material things including money to me, TY,,,,
blindw0lf 1 year ago
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@gir1258 You're a fucking troll.
hinarf 1 year ago
@jesseEar528 Yeah, that's very religious of you and short sighted. I make one mistake and now I'm a retard. Although you did use the word retard and now god hates you. I'm going to go through your comments and see how many grammatical errors you make, but don't worry, I won't judge.
hinarf 1 year ago
@hinarf You know, you might have deserved a response if you hadn't said that God hates me for saying the word "retard". That just proved my point further. And actually, I didn't really know it was true when I said it, but now I do.
jesseEar528 1 year ago
@jesseEar528 Well I was being as serious as I ever was about any of this stupid crap. Btw you just told me I don't deserve a response, with a response. ... confuzzled.
hinarf 1 year ago
@hinarf I meant a legitimate response to your argument.
jesseEar528 1 year ago
In Matthew 6:19-21, Jesus tells his followers to give up on possessions:"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would appear when people pray to see him. The reason why he does not appear is simple: Both Jesus and God are imaginary.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
What you are saying is, "the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. Leprechauns). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
What about Jesus' famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe"? What you realize is that this statement creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die (everybody does) and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe."
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Yet there is no evidence that it is true, and there are many alternative explanations for what Paul is saying. Paul could be fabricating the story, Paul could have hallucinated or dreamed the meeting, Paul could have seen an impostor, etc. In addition, no one is seeing Jesus today, even though it would be trivial and obvious for Jesus to appear to people today just like he did with Paul, and Jesus promises in the Bible that he will answer our prayers.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
How do we explain the fact that this prayer goes unanswered, no matter who prays, despite Jesus' promise that he will answer our prayers?As you think about this, you will realize that Paul's story in the Bible is false. Simply look at Paul's story like any judge in a courtroom would. What Paul's story in 1 Cor 15 is suggesting is entirely unprecedented - a man dead three days with mortal wounds came back to life.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
your theology is wrong and your taking verses out of context...mr blindwolf
sidewayzinthe505 1 year ago
@sidewayzinthe505 Typical response by the Church when they can't even explain their own BS...Save your crap for the next sucker. Read the bible instead of saying I'm taking the verses out of context. I would be more than happy to scan the bible page for you if you tube allowed me to post as a pic. Read the bible before sticking up for it. Now go commit rape, pedophilia, etc and say a couple prayers and ask for forgiveness. Who's a hypocrite. Geez, "the dumb shall inherit the earth more like it."
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Done arguing with you sheep....Keep praying suckers, and if you really feel like throwing 10% of your check please send it to me. I will make sure it goes to a good place, like actually helping the less fortunate and not the Church of suckers.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Unfortunately, the fact is that thousands of things are impossible for you no matter how much you pray, and no one (including Jesus) has ever moved a mountain. In order to see the truth, you need to accept the fact that all of the above verses are wrong. The fact is, God does not answer prayers. The reason why God does not answer your prayers is simple: God is imaginary.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
He would know that normal people will be reading the Bible and interpreting it in normal ways, so he would speak in such a way as to avoid mis-interpretation (he would speak clearly). He would know that when you say, "Nothing will be impossible for you", that what it means is, "Nothing will be impossible for you" and he would make sure that the statement "Nothing will be impossible for you" is accurate (he would speak the truth). If God says it, it should be true -- otherwise he is not perfect.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
f a perfect being is going to make statements about how prayer works in the Bible, then three things are certain: 1) He would speak clearly, 2) he would say what he means, and 3) he would speak the truth. That is what "being perfect" is all about. A perfect, all-knowing God would know that people would be reading the Bible 2,000 years later, and therefore he would not use first-century idioms (he would say what he means).
blindw0lf 1 year ago
The problem is, all of these rationalizations miss two important points: 1. God is supposed to be an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect being. 2. The statement, "Nothing will be impossible for you", along with the other Bible verses quoted above, are false. The fact is, lots of things are impossible for you.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
or: God is not a thing. He is a being. He has a will. He has desires. He relates to people. He has personality traits. Prayer is a fancy word for talking to God. God, who knows everything, even before we say it, knows the difference between our thoughts and wishes, and when we are actually addressing him. He hears our prayers and responds. His responses are based on his personal decisions. We cannot predict how he will respond to our prayers.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
or: "When Jesus talked about 'moving a mountain', he was speaking metaphorically. When someone says, 'it is raining cats and dogs,' no one takes him literally. Jesus was using a figure of speech rather than speaking literally..."
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Believers have many different ways to explain why all these verses in the Bible do not work, even if you are praying sincerely, unselfishly and non-materialistically, and even if the answer to your prayer would help millions of people and glorify God in the process. They will say things like this: "You need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context the first century civilization in which he was speaking..."
blindw0lf 1 year ago
It means that God cannot answer any prayer. Also, why is a God who must remain hidden like this incarnating himself and writing the Bible? If Jesus is God, and if God is perfect, why aren't all of Jesus's verses about prayer true? Was Jesus exaggerating? Was he fibbing? If Jesus is perfect, why wouldn't he speak the truth? Why doesn't a prayer to cure cancer worldwide tomorrow work?
blindw0lf 1 year ago
@blindw0lf Jesus didn't exaggerate, the people did. If you saw you're messias teaching, you wuld also exaggerate
Thechosenchicken 1 year ago
@Thechosenchicken I have been involved in many faiths(islam,catholic,lutheran,methodist,baptist) prior to my exodus from the church/churches. If the people of faith are exaggerating the word of God for their own purpose(BTW this rampant) should they not be handed the sentence of death as God would seem fit?
blindw0lf 1 year ago
@blindw0lf i'm not cristian, but lots of things get extaggerated after some time.
Thechosenchicken 1 year ago
People who have cancer die because it's their time to go. Death is a part of life. It doesn't matter when, where, or who you are. 100% of people die and everyone suffers. Everyone's time will come eventually. You can't control when that will be. What you can control is whether you follow Jesus to heaven or Satan to hell. You shouldn't be concerned with how you die. What you should be concerned with is where you will go when you die because you are going to die whether you like it or not.
DarwinsAMonkeyInHell 1 year ago
A favorite Christian rationalization for why God does not answer our prayer to eliminate cancer is because "it would take away free will." The logic: If you pray and God answers your prayer, then God would have revealed himself to you, and you would know that God exists. That would take away your free will to believe in him. Of course, if this is true, then by default all of Jesus' statements about prayer in the Bible are false.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. f you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true.
blindw0lf 1 year ago
Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
blindw0lf 1 year ago