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  • I have a new superhero film idea for animation. It will be written soon. It is called VX SUPER FORCE.

  • (Cont.) Animation IS drawings on paper, but so many animators (like Pixar and Miyazaki) concern themselves as not conveying art, but conveying story through art beyond the real. Yet, they bear a sort of realism (I remember how Studio Ghibli films portray human and animalistic movements so realistically that you feel subtle physical or mental struggles of characters) in the established world. Their characters are exisitable through the care of their script (yes, animated movies have those).

  • Animation, so many possibilities... The issue is that many believe we relate better to live-action because... we see actual humans working to be invested in their characters on screen. Some argue that animation is simply art, drawings, pretentious expression with only a storyline to show of the art which is one of the biggest lies I've heard about cinema.

  • "Kids are much smarter than we give them credit for." ~Doug Walker (aka Nostalgia Critic) in his Disneyember review of Pinocchio

  • @AliaSparrow Truth! Doug Walker is one of my heroes. :)

  • I have many animated films in the works and many have intense stories. I already have one written for my future film called RANGER RAD.

  • @Tyronor Best of luck to you!

  • Well said. I'm a strong believer in believing that the reason why most teens/adults think animation is just for kids is because it's, well, it's animation, it's not real. They much rather dumb themselves down with "reality" shows like jersey shore.

  • @ember1k Yup, which is pretty sad.

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  • @SnowflakeSymphony Right! Classy is the way to go. That's the catch - finding the line between classy and trashy. it's definitely about mentality - so many adults dumb things down for kids nowadays, we can't even handle anything rougher than rounded edges on kiddy tables. -_-

  • No one wants to handle the crazy zealots who think kids should live in a bubble. I was going to blab about animation history or whatever, but, seeing as you're an animation major too, it's not necessary.

  • @SaveMySanctuary I am, however, always open to more animation geeking out. :)

  • @heyheypachuco The funny thing about Japanese animation is that in Japan, it's harder to get a live action done than here, and here it's the opposite. But the fact that we came from such films as Winsor Mckay's Sinking of the Lusitania (and I should know more examples, but I don't), I don't see why animation is so limited now, though. I mean, there are some fantastic animators out there, and treat animation as an extension of fine art, but still people treat the medium as very low-brow.

  • @heyheypachuco I mean, you'll get animators like Jan Svankmajer and, you know, it surprises me that the collaboration between Salvador Dali and Disney is not more well-known (seeing how famous they both are)... But you'll get people thinking the computer does all the work in animation these days (which just burns me up) and it's just not respected. But keep in mind, animation has only been around for a century-- people are still getting used to it...

  • The only reason why the west doesn't have stuff like anime is because they don't think kids can handle it. They want to 'protect' them.

  • @xRaineDropsx True! Which is ridiculous. Parents nowadays are putting kids in a soft-padded world - kids can handle more than some adults nowadays give them credit for.

  • @heyheypachuco that's true adults think their kids are weaker minded then they were at that age cause "our lives were tough" news flash people kidscanhandle what you throw at them aslong as it's in manageable doses,kids are supremely adaptable,they aren't fragile minded whimps

    i sure as hell wasn't

  • THANK YOU for not using Family Guy as an example. I was afraid you were going to use that. URK!

    But yeah, great argument. I enjoyed it.

  • @TKGB2006 Family Guy is kinda....ehh. Haha :)

    Thanks!

  • I really enjoyed this, listening to your arguments and the examples you put together. What is the creepy film you showed us with the blonde girl? I hadn't seen that one before. A film that would have been interesting to include in your video is Watership Down, a great film, but terrifying for kids that I have asked about it. I am doing a paper on Disney's Tarzan + Dreamworks Kung Fu Panda, how the celebrity cast in Kung Fu Panda attracted adults 2 the film and the comedy/kung fu/animation 4 kids

  • @693810 Glad you enjoyed!

    The 'creepy' example is Cool World, a Ralph Bakshi film. A lot of people like his work, but I'm not a fan. Even if I were, I'd probably still dislike Cool World.

    I've heard of Watership Down, I've been meaning to check it out....oooh, let me know how your paper goes! :)

  • It's the audience western kids are stupider then the rest of the world and will copy stuff.

  • "You're only dead if you aim [animated movies] at kids. Adults are grown-up kids anyway,"-Walt Disney

  • @fahmad27 Amen!

  • Just because something is animated specifically for adults doesn't mean it's awesome. Look at Hentai. <_<

  • @MrPunchDrunk1 Oh, definitely. That was part of my point on finding the line between bold and creepy - sometimes it just goes wayyyy too far. Hence, hentai. >___<

  • @MrPunchDrunk1 hahahahah XD right on man!

  • First of all, I agree with you! Animation is for everyone! Kids, adults, EVERYONE! But yes, adults can enjoy it too! People should feel this way.

    Second, a good animated movie you could have mentioned is Watership Down, which is a great movie that's for adults & tells a bold story. I love it!

    Third, I think that day you mentioned already happened! When I went to see Fantastic Mr. Fox, the audience was made up of adults & only adults. How do you feel about this? Does it make you happy?

  • @DanielLaux429 Sorry for the late reply! And I LOVE that Fantastic Mr. Fox had a primarily adult audience :D It definitely makes me happy - it's a stride for the animation world, if nothing else. The one thing that bothers me - and this is really just nitpicking on my part - is that it was probably the star power behind it that made it so accessible to adults. You know, George Clooney in the cast and all that. I just wish animation weren't (almost) solely using celebrity voices. But ah well!

  • think adults don't give kids enough credit for what they can and can't handle in an animated movie.

    And sorry for my rant, but I'm just tired of seeing people classify all animated movies as kid movies and then complaining how even after they have been dumbed down that they are still not kid appropriate. -.-

    Personally if you ask me, I think movies should just be made the way they are intended without trying to target a specific group, and let the people themselves decide if they like it or not.

  • @Atherist Sorry for such a late reply, and thanks! You're absolutely right. People REALLY don't give kids any credit. It's pretty sad :(

  • themes in them which really don't make them kids movies at all in my opinion. I actually love watching movies with animals as the main characters and such, but I hate it when they are targeted only for kids, and it seems all the themes of real life and such are removed because parents are always complaining about how even kids movies today are not appropriate for their kids, when they grew up on movies that were a lot darker, yet that's what made them great. Which also I want to point out I

  • Thank you for saying this. I agree COMPLETELY. I'm a huge animation fan (I actually would love to go into the animation field in my future), and I am so sick of seeing adults turn up their noses at animated movies because they are for kids and such. To me, animation is a work of art, and I don't understand is why something that is a work of art is made so that only kids can enjoy it and not adults as well. I personally love Pixar and older animated movies because they are for kids yet have adult

  • To be honest animations were really made for adults which is why from 1960s to 2000 cartoons had alot of adult theme jokes and violence. But then it grabbed young kids from the 2000s which were raised by pussy ass parents complained about all the content which started this plague of crappy kid shows. I want to make a adult like anime series when I'm older but with all the pussy ass parents I'm scared I might get cancelled in the first episode.

  • @Daxter609 Yeah, don't you hate that? From the late nineties onward, you couldn't get away with anything. Animation got progressively more fluffy. *sigh*

  • @heyheypachuco Even in the 30s and stuff cartoons couldn't get away with stuff like drug use their are some banned episodes of old cartoons like Betty Boop, Looney Tunes , Flinstones and etc. But it guess they lightnend up a little with Spawn a 90s cartoon that show was doing single adult related content but got tooken down because soccer moms started seeing it.

  • Don't worry, with the anime-fan community growing among young adults in the western world, there will be many people, like myself, who will be inspired to take animation to adult audiences. Anime is at its peak in popularity now, so I have a feeling this generation will produce minds more willing to market and accept adult-oriented animated films.

  • @Rakansen1990 Oh, definitely! And I heard there's going to be a live-action remake of Akira involving Leonardo Dicaprio. I feel as though that could either be really good or really bad.

  • Adult themed animated films can be found on the internet. But they are usually made poorly in adobe flash.

  • I recently started watching a movie called Felidae, which is about cats, but definitely not for kids. It was a well-done movie that was essentially a crime drama with bits of conspiracy mixed in, though I had to stop watching because I personally didn't like where the story was going. Others might really enjoy it, and it can be easily found on youtube since it has. . .weird copyrights.

    More on subject, I completely agree with you. More animated movies should be made with adults in mind.

  • well you know how people think animation is for kids well

    ?????????????????

  • Have you heard of Jack Zipes? He writes mostly about 'children's literature' but I feel that it's relevant here. If you ever read any of the original fairy tales that disney took on you might find this whole area where they took children's stories and made them even more sweetened because the real versions weren't suitable for kids. We're constantly separating things into adult and child, which makes little sense when we live in the same world.

  • @littlelostsheep Haven't heard of him, but I'd love to check it out.

    Yes, it's definitely interesting to read the original fairy tales Disney reworks into movies! Some of them are terribly depressing particularly the original Little Mermaid. A powerful story nonetheless, though.

  • Very well put. There's definitely a market potential for adult-themed animation. The Matrix Proved it, the Riddick series ( a portion of it, anyway), Dante's Inferno, Halo, it's out there, even if they they do focus on a key market, the fans of the original source. Hopefully US studios will come to a point where animation can mean so much more to them in the long run. For one, I'm sure they'd rather replace a voice than to replace an actor that's filmed scenes already.

  • I agree ten times over. As an inspiring animator that mixes anime with Western style, I wish I could see a western cartoon that has the depth and boldness of anime.

    I subbed, you sound very smart. ^^

  • Thanks so much! I'm glad you think I sound smart :) I thought I was just a bit of a ramblin' fool after a while.

    I and a couple friends of mine are working on an animatic of a scene from a story we wrote, in the style of a Westernized anime of sorts, so keep an eye out - you might like it!

  • Because the child audience is the biggest audience you can get. A children's film (if it doesn't suck) will earn MORE MONEY. Simply because kids watch and re-watch more than... us. (like me :)

  • You're right about that - I just wish that more mature animation had just as big a market.

  • its made by adults XD

    point said

  • Lol...I'm well aware of that. xD

  • One of the saying I live by is this:

    There is no such thing as a kids movie, there's movies that kids can watch.

  • Makes sense to me!

  • @heyheypachuco

    That's really good to hear.

  • I'm going to make my old rant a response to yours. I think I did alright, but you put it all much more eloquently than I could/did.

    I actually didn't like Persoplelis (sp?) that much, but I attribute that to my ignorance of the historical aspects of the plot it depicts, and the use of language I don't like so much. I did see it, and I was/am glad that it was an animated film that was using the medium in a different way.

  • Thanks for the video response and comment! :) I'll check yours out.

    Yeah, Persepolis was a little hard to follow at times because it was in a different language, both from me and the setting it was in most of the time. But yeah, it's done well and is a mature film for its medium.

  • Very good rant indeed.

  • Thanks so much!

  • Your welcome.

  • I had to cut my comment down >:( Annoyed.... but yeah..xx

  • This is perfect! I think you've covered all of the points and I agree with all of them especially when it comes to anime. Anime tend to be very emotional and thought provoking which I agree should be taken to the western world and enhanced. Most of the time Anime isn't aimed at adults or children which means that it means different things to different people.

  • Thanks so much! Yeah, if you look hard enough, you can find some really profound stories in good anime....the sucky thing is, for every good anime, there's about five bad ones :(

  • Wow this reminds me of a bit of my rant. But if you want my opinion animation can be for anyone, that includes kids and adults. But however somethings in animation are not just for kids...Its like people are ignoring the fact that there is adult animation.

    Have you heard bakshi?

  • Right. Like, I would consider Persepolis animation for adults, so yeah, people definitely aren't aware that there is adult animation.

    Do you mean Ralph Bakshi?

  • I havent seen persepolis, but I did hear good things about it though but it looks good though. And Yes I am referring to Bakshi. It seems people are wanting adult animation to come back to the cinemas.

  • I don't personally like Ralph Bakshi much, but that may be because I hated Cool World a lot, and I'm not a big fan of rotoscope animation. But I would like to watch his Lord of the Rings movie, I've heard positive things about it.

    Yeah, not only adult animation, but 2D, at that. Princess and the Frog seems to be helping that along....as for adult animation, it's never been terribly mainstream as far as I know. Which is a shame!

  • Bakshi is only thanked for making Adult animation happen, but however I have enjoyed Traffic and Coonskin. It seems nobody these days even know how to make cartoons.

    I mean look at Adult swim, or even the family guy creator. Adult animation isnt always pop culture and of course repeated humor. The only thing close enough for adult animation in the cinemas is 9. But I did hear bakshi is trying to do a new movie though.

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