Street Preacher Debates Scientologist Cult Member Part One

[tripptytripper]

This guy is actually worse than her!!! everybody has a right to believe what they want...hes talking about space ships and aliens...has anybody seen jesus lately???

[kramcas2]

LOL Shes not an OT even. Of course she doesn't know the story of Xenu.

[wachnathan]

This is a strange debate.

[Gethsemaneful]

@sKewbrain Again, it's not the sex that is sinful, but the context that is sinful. Sex is intended to be a complete self giving of a person to another of the opposite with whom they are married. Fornication is sex before marriage which is basically sex for pleasure - meaning you use another persons body to get pleasure for yourself - this is what is sinful. You violate another persons dignity when you use and abuse their bodies. Sure you might have feelings for them, but you're still using them.

[Gethsemaneful]

@sKewbrain I'd like to clarify what the Bible says for you. First of all, sex is a very good thing - God did make it pleasureable, after all. Read the Song of Solomon for an erotic tale of love and sexuality. Secondly, it's not homosexual attraction which is sinful. When you read the verses about homosexuality, it describes the action of having sex. It's the action which is wrong, not the attraction. Thirdly, a fornicator is someone who is promuscous and sleeps around having sex before marriage

[dmcn19]

It's pretty ridiculous watching a Christian mock beliefs of Scientology. They are both equally insane... One just comes from an older book.

[tisuisse]

This is great, it's like watching two bums fight each other.

[Symos]

A crosshead and a ronbot, there's a sitcom in this somewhere.

[RipTheJackR]

It takes a scientologist to make a christian look smart, thats hilarious :p

[REPENTB4UDYNOW1]

WHAT A STUPID WOMAN! THIS WOMAN IS THE REASON WHY JESUS NEVER HAD A WOMAN AS A DISCIPLE!!! HAHAHA!!! AND SHE IS THE REASON WHY GOD (JESUS) CREATED THE LAKE OF FIRE!!! SO REPENT PEOPLE AND DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS SCIENTOLOGIST, THING LIKE TOM CRUISE, WHO'S HEADING ALSO FOR HELL! REPENT AND BELIEVE IN JESUS BEFORE IS TOO LATE!!!!

[sleepywolff]

@REPENTB4UDYNOW1 im sorry to inform you but you sound just as crazy

[Gethsemaneful]

@REPENTB4UDYNOW1 Actually, Jesus didn't have female disciple because the 12 disciples were to be Priests who representing Christ, loved the Church which is female. It would make no sense for a woman to marry a woman since they could not reproduce. Women however have a high place in the Church, they were not forgotten. Just look at Mary. She had the honour of being the first human person to be saved by the passion of the Christ. Not to mention, it was her who started Christ into his ministry.

[wachnathan]

Where can i find more scientology debates at? i can't seem to find any.

[wachnathan]

sci-fiction vs mythology take your pic!

[envoy2500]

you can have a gay christian and a straight christian. unfortunately this guy doesnt see "gays" as people that could be part of the same group as him he wants to look at them like they have something wrong with them just because early christians knew that the best way to get new members is to have them born into the church and gay couples cant do that

[Gethsemaneful]

@envoy2500 You're right, one can have homosexual attractions and still be a Christian. However, if you look at the verse on homosexuality in the Bible, they denote an action taking place. It is when you act by lust or having sex or masturbating, which is the same for heterosexuals by the way, than that is where the sin lies. Sex is ment to be a complete self giving of oneself to another of the opposite sex. This self giving includes ones fertility which is something that is impossible for gays

[Gethsemaneful]

@envoy2500 to even attempt even if they wanted to. And by the way, the prohibition on homosexuality in action was actually started by the Jews some couple of thousand years before the early Church, so your logic is flawwed.

[envoy2500]

@Gethsemaneful oh right right. i forgot it came out of leviticus. which is a set of arbitrary rules set up to keep the people back then clean and healthy. which it did a very good job of and was very relevant when it was written and for hundreds no thousands of years afterwards. it is not relevant any more though. acts 13:39 states that "by this Jesus everyone who believes is set free from all those sins from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses." that sounds to me like homosexuals

[envoy2500]

@Gethsemaneful can be just as much of a christian as you or i. jesus came to forgive and bring people together and i for one think he would be disgusted at the hate and intolerance people spew out in his name

[Gethsemaneful]

@envoy2500 I agree. I have several homosexual and bisexual friends that have been devasted by supposed Christians claiming that God hates them, which is not true. He certainly does forgive, but like he said to the woman who commited adultery, "go, and sin no more." Jesus doesn't call us to be nice, to not offend, to let everyone do whatever. He calls us to love and love does not rejoice in wrongdoing but with the rod and staff tenderly corrects in patience, understanding and gentleness.

[envoy2500]

@Gethsemaneful you are by far the most level-headed person i have ever had a discussion with on this topic. we both made some valid points but i will have to continue to respectfully disagree with calling it wrongdoing. there are plenty of things that are wrong but i do not believe this is one of those cases. thank you for being a good example of what a christian should sound like in an argument =)

[Gethsemaneful]

@envoy2500 I agree, we've both made some valid points. I know it's difficult to find a Christian that actually acts the part, especially with regards to homosexuality which for some reason has been made out to be this enormous sin. Well, I encourage you to continue studying and searching for the truth. We need more Christians that aren't afraid to use their God-given reason and intelect. God bless!

[skeyefeye]

both dumb

[mozizzy]

gotta love two different types of dumbasses going at it

[Jamesparker19751975]

@FinalAnswer69 This original translation sounds more like Buddhism in some respects. Very interesting... Buddha teaches that we are all Buddha nature and are all apart of Nirvana but goes further and says all separation is an illusion between all life and all "gods" or whatever human words you wish to put to it. Scientology should be criticized not for their beliefs but because of their criminal, unethical and immoral human rights violations right here on earth, period!

[KyletheVeryKyle]

@FinalAnswer69 All those gods are still going to be burnt up unless they reconcile with the Most High through the shed blood of Jesus. From the little human gods to the big satanic gods, there will be punishment for all who have rejected the truth.

[poisonedblades]

Cult 1 debates Cult 2, how interesting...

[Metalreaper007]

$cientology is all talk and no proof

[givingmantoo]

Space aliens or talking snakes, hmm both sound pretty bat shit crazy to me

[Tony2438]

Both story are as believable as each other religion is mad

[fatmeteor]

god is real in the same way money is real.

[fatmeteor]

Can you conceive of an existence without a god? If not, then perhaps you need to do some thinking.

[whiff1962]

The title of this video should more appropriately be, "Whose the biggest idiot?".

[whiff1962]

I'll pray for you: Save yourself the trouble. BTW, emperical studies found that prayer had nugatory affects on the betterment of sick patients in hospital. Whether those results translate themselves in the larger context has yet to be proven conclusively.

I suppose my university education was all for naught, but this street preacher guy is no more learned and convincing than the Scilon he is attempting to refute. He really is a man of meager learning.

[HouseSpiderAnon]

Is this video unavailable for anyone else?

[codeman1173]

Dude you rock man, There is no serious argument that they can use against us, its pure unbelief that in most cases is 100% due to the fact that sinners do not want to choose Christ, because they would prefer darkness over the light. John 3:19

[whiff1962]

Fuck your personal, portable, turned- American-citizen Jesus. How is that for freedom From religion?

[GammaCorps]

If God knows the future then where does that leave free will?

[Rivexots]

god does not choose your choices,

he jsut knows what your going to choose,

you still have the optioin to choose whatever you want, god just knows what your going to choose before you choose it, thats doesn't mean you have no free will, because you stil have your freedom, god just knows what your going to pick

[terriblyill]

the preacher is a troll and a douche bag.

[whiff1962]

This is a circus sideshow. The preacher clearly is not well read, nor, for that matter, an effective critical thinker. He should have stayed in university, and continued reading afterwards.

[whiff1962]

Do you believe that some dude was born of a virgin, was crucified, came back to life, and was bodily transported to the sky? How about the 72 virgins waiting for Islamist terrorists, and streams of milk and honey, with a flying horse? Yeah, religion can be pretty wack when you truly analyze it.

[iyasaekki]

Ooh, he got her good at 3:38. Why do Scientologists protest psychiatric drugs when they believe the mind has no physical basis?

[Bonhomie88]

His Flying Spaghetti Monster is better than hers.

[manan0nim0us4]

Whoo, not fair unless she's OT8 and got them sweet powers, cos that's one big preacher.

[MrFyde]

Didn't LRH say Thetans had a mass of like 1.5-2 grams ? (The 2 gram thetans i think he called super thetans) - I might be wrong.

[agtspenderfbi]

they both sound like a couple of real a##holes... i get my truth from the truth... not books.... whether they were written thousands of years ago or within the last 50 years.... when u burn urself it hurts so dont do it... thats my truth.... just know right from wrong and live ur little 80 year life accordingly.

[Wpganon]

I wonder if this preacher was fair gamed for speaking his opinion.

[JayEm74]

Most preachers are Satan worshipers and don't even know it...ignorant sheep!

[Ann0minous]

'Handling'. When was the last time I heard that? When this psycho said she would 'handle' peaceful protestors.

[SirNaggerOfJones]

Christianity doesnt ask me to kill myself after giving my life savings to their leaders. moron.

[CASSIELIVESHERE]

Here in Australia we have a young girl charged with murder because her father denied her treatnent for her mental state,this girl killed her father and teenage sister,hang your head in shame Scientologist.

[wachnathan]

@CASSIELIVESHERE I may not like scientology but i do agree with anti-drugs all the way i think there is a better way then drugs. To be fair you can't blame a whole on the actions of individuals because in every belief there is people that wrong.

[Divinenite]

First she says that the spirit isn't physical and then she says it is physical coz your in the physical world. Just remember if gods created humans in THIS UNIVERSE then wouldn't that mean that aliens were also created in THIS UNIVERSE?

[Dejan2116]

scientology is so stupid ahahahhahahahaha

[dynamiteduane]

That man has no understanding of what he is arguing against.

[SirNaggerOfJones]

Scientology is no more worth understanding than the Harry Potter series of novels. In fact, Harry Potter is probably more worthwhile than the mediocre space-alien garbage that so many people seem to believe.

[pburto]

She's going to be in trouble. She must be new.

[Localmode]

(SCIENTOLOGY) = (CULT)

Subscribe to Xenutv1 and ToryMagoo44. Mr. Bunker has these guys on the run. His videos show how lame Scientology members truly treat people who speak out against them. "Your either in or your out", so said Tom Cruise. Tom's goal along with his best buddy, David Miscavige, is to turn all of us into Scientologist or stamp us out as lower beings. Become a SP (suppressive person) today and turn these money hungry mongrels on their tails.

xenu dot net and xenutv dot com

[CJDiggs]

Its fun watching two deeply convicted people argue which of their ridiculous wrongs is right.

[pahool]

Leave it to a fundie to make Scientology look good...

[Localmode]

According to Radar Magazine, when Grey, CEO of Paramount, was walking to his car one night after tense negotiations with Cruise over Mission: Impossible 3, he was "surrounded by more than a dozen Scientologists, who pressured him to ease up on the actor ... Following a terse exchange, the visitors allowed Grey to get into his car and leave, but the message was clear." Grey reportedly stood his ground and convinced Cruise to accept a lower fee than the actor had initially demanded.

[Non0Sequitur]

Scientologists are mislead, true and the church itself is evil, But that christian guy pisses me right off. pepole who are spiritualy intolorant are worse than crazy cultists, even if by a smal margin.

[justsomebody13]

I agree, science fiction or fantasy fiction it really doesn't matter.Atleast the scientologist respects everyone elses opinions in this clip.

[swelstead]

I totally agree - if he had shut up for 2 seconds, she might have been able to say something interesting on the subject of whether or not the average Scientologist believes in space aliens. On the other hand, she makes Scientology sound like a Tony Robbins self-help book.

[makotoS13]

he's a not very smart guy having a conversation with a total idiot.

you can't expect much from this interaction. the bible doesn't prove itself through prophecy, proof is in thousands of contradictory manuscripts written by tons of people and a book of over 60 authors that is cohesive, deep, and complete.

and we dont have any DC 8's carrying moses to the afterlife :)

[charybdisxv]

According to L. Ron's son, L. Ron thought he was the antichrist. He practiced black magic to try to have god-like power. He made a "religion" so he could be revered and have power over others.

I find it amazing that a black woman is supporting Scientology. Hubbard made many racist comments and had contempt for blacks. Scientology is an organization for wealthy white male atheists who have unwarranted self-importance and want to be gods.

[coralarch]

You have to hand it to L Ron - a writer of silly sci fi who made a fortune by duping 1000's of imbeciles into following his "truth". Yes, if you want to make mega-buck$, start a religion!

[mzbreezy102]

thats what i was thinking she is kinda out of it how could she believe in the crap they preach im a christian and i find it hard to listen to anything that the scientologist have to say i think its very silly and a cult like jw

[Raytheon]

I'm an athiest, so no God, but I am with this Christian guy 100%.

[jerricajerrica]

both sides are crazy

[Localmode]

Want to know more? Subscribe to Xenutv1 on Youtube and listen to Mark Bunker disseminate the "TRUTH" about Scientology.

Tom Cruise and John Travolta along with many other influential actors belong to this cult. Read about it at,

xenu dot net and xenutv dot com

[guardian22222]

Oh and so you think that people who believe in Jesus never have cults.

[guardian22222]

How do you know?

[guardian22222]

Cult members debating over who has the worst cult. Ugh.

[Localmode]

(TOM CRUISE)=(SCIENTOLOGY)=(CULT)

Subscribe to Xenutv1. Mr. Bunker has these guys on the run. His videos show how lame Scientology members truly treat people who speak out against them. "Your either in or your out", so said Tom Cruise. Tom's goal along with his best buddy, David Miscavige, is to turn all of us into Scientologist or stamp us out as lower beings. Become a SP (suppressive person) today and turn these money hungry mongrels on their tails.

xenu dot net and xenutv dot com

[sherijo]

You guest DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT XENU! She is not OTIII! She is pre-clear. Preclears don't know, they are prevented from knowing, they are probably the nicest people in scientology, they are the true believers in the teachings , and their beliefs are for the good.

Bad choice of guest, at least if you wanted controversial.

[neupetershain]

One thing I ask myself: When a scientologist on a lower level than OT takes part in a discussion like this - will he ever become an OT? You know, he would find out that the people outside of the so-called-church have told the truth about Xenu. And he would think, in my opinion, maybe, slightly disappointed: Really? This crazy stuff is all there is, as other people told me before - and I didn´t believe them?

[Aspartame69]

nOObs calling nOObs, nOObs. nOObs !

[dopehousex3]

Scientologist cant even be truthfull about there religion.