How to do Electrical Troubleshooting of Electrical Motor Control Circuit

[6488ott]

I agree with comments about unnecessary single phasing, when "dead" resistance testing would show local panel wiring continuity better and with less potential damage. Good basic procedure but real world faults can be even worse, a lot worse! Oxidised connections after they are loose (fucked contactor)- should insulation test windings at 500v, not 9v. poor design- should have triple pole device for protection and o/l tripped indicator, etc, etc.! Sorry but theres no substitute for real world...

[modeyus1984]

This is a pretty useful training guide for any beginning electrician.

[Simmonselectric]

Too much money for this ,,, you guys need to come down on the price.

[micacapacitor]

This tool is useful for repairing circuits

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[bin952]

@Hugstyggr : You can get the full version at BIN95 dot COM website. hover cursor over 'Training Products' button, click 'Training Software Only' link. The name of the software in this video is "Advanced Industrial Troubleshooting Simulation Training Software", so clicking on that link takes you to software page you requested.

[Hugstyggr]

How can I get the full version of this program?

[Hallaran]

Great training video - Thumbs up!

[James1toknow]

Well I just had a CCFL back light go out on my VGC LS30E all in one sony computer and Sony wanted $512. dollars to relace the LCD screen, I took the machine apart and found a dirty open on the Back light connection to the bulb so I resoldered it and now my cost for fixing it myself $0 dollars, my time about 2 1/2 hours and I'm back on the internet! ; )

[poyel125]

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[8ballealey]

i make $12.60 an hour as a first year apprentice .... it`s not likely that i`ll be able to afford this product until i am certified and no longer need it. you guys should consider reducing the price.

[bin952]

@8ballealey We do. On the order page, you can click to any of the three programs in the seies and order just 1 as a download for only US$139 (About 10 hours of work for you to pay for, at your pay grade. :>) The kicker is no one offers training software as good as this, but the ones closest, sell for thousands. We always sell our training products at the lowest possible cost. "The Best for Less". :>)

[hot567654]

The beginning of this video is wrong because it says there is a problem on the 3rd phase when the schematic clearly shows all three phases going to components on the part of the circuit in question to the right. This makes me wonder how many other incorrect methods this program would teach me. If I am wrong please let me know.

[bin952]

@hot567654 Actually the logic is solid, the video is correct. The schematic shows it should receive power, doesn’t mean it is receiving power in the real world. Could be lose wire or blown fuse, etc. Schematics are just a roadmap to how it is wired. Only your voltmeter and/or logic can tell you why the motor is not running, using schematic only as a guide to how it should be wired.

[electricitymagnetism]

@8ballealey

PLEASE watch my video on the Electrinium battery.

[BossRob24]

@8ballealey Any helpful tips would be very helpful and very much appreciated. I will be graduating from Wyotech Technical College as an electrician and would like some pointing in the right direction for apprenticeship employment. Any useful info?

[bin952]

@BossRob24 If you want to be an industrial electrician, like in a manufacturing plant, I can tell you any additional PLC training you can get is your most valuable asset towards furthering your career. with the housing market as it is, residential electrician apprentice jobs may be difficult to find. Industrial electrician apprentice is another option to better your odds.

[Saxappealed]

I tried out all three demos, they are sooo good.

Too bad they're so expensive :(

[bin952]

@Saxappealed You can optionaly just pay $129 for one download version of the simulation training at a time to spread your cost out. Allthough that will cost more than the $295 if you bought all 3 at the same time. If others had training software as good as ours, it would sell for over a thousand.

[PoutinePete]

Anyone want to sell me any simutech troubleshooting cds?

[bin952]

@PoutinePete Yes, you can purchase the V4 CDs at BIN95 dot COM. Just hover mouse over "Training Products" and you will see the link to the the "V4 Electrical Troubleshooting Software for sell. (Free Demos there too) Thanks

[DECOFRANCE]

i found this software would really help those people working and planning to work on automation world.. XD.. Good luck everyone.

[DECOFRANCE]

the main contactor will not open because it is already welded caused by repeatedly energizing. Usually main breaker used in the control system doenst trip off immediately at this case, especially at single phasing unless the motor winding totally shorted

[bin952]

@DECOFRANCE My point exactly. :) there are many differnt situations, the video is just show 1 for the purpose of demonstrating the software. A full industrial electrical course, like our 10 DVD industrial electrical video course shows many other situations like how to change welded contacts. Ther is only so much you can show in an 8 minute video of training software. :)

[DECOFRANCE]

sorry sir, but becoz on my experience they dont use fuse for each phase as protection for motor. instead they use a main breaker and an overload relay and this relay is the one responsible for opening the main contactor of motor. keep the motor energizing with high current could weld the contacts of main contactor,and even the overload protection activated becoz of high current ,

[winkhvac]

cool

[robertziggy]

clever program

[iggymanoneoone]

It can be analyze and check this up to 5 tank water storage.

[m8rox]

Is this program for free?

[bin952]

@m8rox no, but very resonably priced. See the link in video description or our channel.

[RESSAN5560]

amazing

can u tell me where i can find this program ?

[bin952]

@RESSAN5560 Thanks for asking. you can get the software at BIN95 . com

[RESSAN5560]

@bin952

Thanks a lot dude

[bin952]

@RESSAN5560 it is at BIN95 dotcom

[ChrisPCrunchy]

You just wasted two tanks full of fluids and put unnecessary excess current on the agitator motor. Would you not have timing charts that could short cut the fault finding process to the agitator and the heater circuits. As the fluids levels are normal upon initial inspection the fault can be isolated to the processes after those cycles. Metering out the contactors, motor winding and fuses should show the location of the problem without stressing the motor windings any further. $11.67 bill?

[bin952]

@ChrisPCrunchy Ohcourse Chris, but we wanted an approach that taught more about the software capabilities. And since it is simulation software, no actual waste or stress. You are correct, when not using training software (in the real world), waste and equipment ware should be considered in your approach.

[EETechs]

@bin952 It would be nice then to make the software far more strict such that it can follow the real world as close as possible. While software capabilities are nice, they do not help the student who will be looking for a technician job. I would hate to see someone young get blasted by the seasoned techs for trying these methods shown in this video, especially of the stress caused to the motor.

[bin952]

@EETechs I hear you. I would hate to see someone who thinks useing one niche self improvement software, think that can make them compete with a seasoned tech, or even think that would alone qualify them for the job. sorry you thought that. :>)

[electRon330]

Why allow the agitator pump to single phase any more than necessary. No need to check amps first. With the disconnect off, use your ohmmeter to check the fuses. If good, tug lightly on all connections between the fuses and the motor lead terminals. In this case the lead would have pulled out. Reinsert and tighten all connections and test operation. Then tighten all connections in panel to eliminate call back. Panel never opened while energized, same result. Been doing this for 40 years.

[bin952]

Thanks Ron for that great advice. Even though our software is the best real world simulation out there, you still cannot tug on wires in it. So you have to use the more scientific method. :>) Plus this method lends its self to show more in the video, of the softwares capabilities. :>) PS: you cannot hit the panel with a hammer either, although that is another real world situation. ha ha

[mufc1970ok]

@electRon330 fair play to you industrial sparkys are the cream of the crop 

[DECOFRANCE]

@electRon330 yes. i was wondering why he has to repeatedly energize the pump to measure the current each phase..he might burn the motor winding if he do it more. one other way that i do if i have to check if there is a missing phase is by voltage.. i rdisconnect the load/pump motor from the circuit then run it. from then you can see very easy if the voltage is coming from each terminal going to motor. if the voltage is coming then the pump might stuck up or the motor winding was burnt

[bin952]

@DECOFRANCE The video is to show capabilities of training software. So we only picked one possible way. But please note in the real world, the motor windings most likely would not burn up due to overload and fuse protection. When system has not triped/blown fuse, amp is good way to spot mechanical faults such as bearings going out, etc. so each method has it's advantages. You just have to remember this is just a demonstration of the software, and 1 possible scenerio of many it provides.

[TheCriscruz]

excellent tutorial method for beginners industrial electrician,marine vessel electrician as well.

[chamalalbhatia]

Great !

[sscutellatus]

thank you i just started my Industrial electricity classes

[cumesoftware]

Nice tutorial!

[domyaska]

WOW !! thanks from italy

[1960archie]

The program is good.One Question? While draining the pump i think the selector switch should be on manual mode.

[bin952]

With the actual software there is detailed video/written explanation of the systems operation, incuding auto and manual tank draining.

[electricalron]

Very informative. Know your motor control circuits and let the money flow right into your checking account.

[makUsuffer]

Cool stuff.