Presidential Debate TONIGHT on C-SPAN2 9PM ET Chris Hedges moderates candidates Nader and Baldwin

[RamandoDMag]

HAHA, "...but I never would have approved this notorious bailout..." hilarious

[paul8kangas]

Scare the Rich. Both BO & McC are useless puppets for the corporations. Don't waste your vote, voting for BO, us it to Scare the Corporations. Vote for Ralph Nader, Mat Gonzalez & Kangas for Senate.

[RevolutionaryJam]

this will only be for grabbing the third party voters :-( unlikely to draw away from the two main parties

[Beadbud5000]

Understood, but really that is not the point. How much more political garbage will we take? The National Initiative is important. Action is important! The point here is to get as many votes to let Washington know that they have MANY dissatisfied people living in this land in the here and now.

[RevolutionaryJam]

sure I agree with you

[yunwun2001]

McCain and Obama both support NAFTA and The Patriot Act...they both lost any chance of me voting for either of them.

Third party seems the most viable option for me as a voter.

[Vercingetorix1313]

to skipperiffic:

I believe you should only vote your conscious,i.e. the candidate most closely aligned to your own beliefs,not the lesser of two... nothing will ever change with the lesser of too evils,  so why be a part of it.:-) Third Party if it suits you, then all the way! I dunno thats just what i believe.

[F4O4U4R4S]

If Nader doesnt win the Presidential election, America will continue to run down the shit covered path that it is already on.

[warrkrymez]

Nader is such a hypocrite, he accepted McCain money for his campaign. Why vote Nader?

[paparas78]

And to play it a bit of Nostradamus...Mccain will give the final blow to america as it stands 2day.Obama will try to restore but deliberately FAIL.

I hope the independents will do something since for me they carry the hope.

America's situation is really bad.

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WILLINGLY and HAPPILY serve your individual "power" of choice to lobbies and coorporations...and all this for WHAT? a position in a low paying firm?

I'd rather be in kabul trading camels with the natives.

[paparas78]

i dont know if nader is true or not but i know this.The US had an economic crash at 2003 and they moved the depts to 2008.They used an economic technique to somehow postpone the crisis then.

The 1st big bail out was paid out recently.

between 2003 and 2008 its 5 years.Now roughly measure the amount of generated dept from other banks and financial inst/tions and you can imagine whats coming.

THAT WAS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

Soon stokers will start jumping from the scrapers.

See u then...

[mapulento]

fucking bullshit ass country .. already...

theres nothing left... and if there is.. itll be all gone or destroyed by the time we get a real person in there .. that truly loves this land and people... pray and inform people as much as you can with the truth and facts...

god bless the united states of america and the world...

[Vercingetorix1313]

The THIRD PARTY needs to united before 2012!

[KARIN094]

That was without question the best debate I have ever seen! All issues that I as an American were covered.

Nader is definitely an American hero. He shines through every time. Never sways his objective. He is for the American people 100% of the time!

Go Nader!!!

[representativepress]

It was so much better than the crap they feed us in the debates with the 2 dominating political parties

[KARIN094]

Absolutely! Can you imagine how this country would sky rocket if we had a leader that's sole passion was raising the interests of the American People! I honestly think I am in the wrong business. Maybe I should start selling personal hand whips, so people can induce pain onto themselves. It appears that is what they are wanting. Making excuses. The lesser of two evils. The worst or, the absolute worst? How pathetic....

My choice in 08 is Nader!

[sniper6081]

That was a great debate. Both candidates really brought up some great points.

[MasterLeeMochow]

5* video my friend thanks for sharing.

Master Lee Mochow

[representativepress]

I'll have to put up highlights from this. I assume the CSPAN channel here on Youtube will put up the whole debate.

[representativepress]

Nader is doing great in the debate. And Chris Hedges is doing a GREAT job too.

[maxx1000]

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I'm voting for "CHANGE" and NOT voting either Dem or Rep...

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[nowellian]

Vote Nader!

[MrMP81]

It's On Right Now Everybody!!! C-SPAN2.

Baldwin & Nader ( the others, unfortunately, aren't there. )

[theloneheretic]

I already voted for Baldwin.

When shit goes down, don't blame me. I didn't have a hand, nor will I ever have a hand in your madness of voting in morons, and doing nothing to fix this country.

[lheinric]

The problem is, he says "I would have never voted for that bailout". It's easy to say. McCain and Obama had NO CHOICE but to vote for it, or their campaign would have gotten torn to shreds.

I can see where Obama is coming from because his vote is somewhat consistent with his belief that in some cases, Government has to step in. No, not that whole socialism line again please.

McCain however has sold his soul with the bailout bill. He was against helping homeowners before he voted for this.

[representativepress]

links are in the video info to the right under the ad and Rep Press banner

[mikerotethis]

i see where nader is coming from. its good.

[Fullmetalpizza]

Nader is alright.

[wefdsau]

Nader!!!!!!

[Squirelbutt]

Actually Baldwin endorse Ron Paul before Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin.

[Ponerology]

AIPAC bailing us out would just be payback for all the money we have given Israel. Probably a little more than 700 Billion.

[sniper6081]

Freakin' awesome!

[dandaman2206]

I just checked the C SPAN 2 and it just says "Washington tonight"

[travelfar22]

Nader DEBATES Independants on C-Span TONIGHT, Thurs. Oct. 23!!

RepubliCrat$ were cowards and wouldn't allow Nader to debate them... They'd resemble pull-string-toys no doubt but then, they did anyway!

[8DoverNJ]

Finally, a real debate. I'm looking forward to the two of them discussing the UN, the FED (and it's sibling the IRS), HOW to bring down the NWO and much much much more.

I hope many people see this debate unfortunately the McBama voter's cognitive dissonance, willful ignorance and extreme denial will keep them from even viewing a brief glimpse of this debate.

To paraphrase something Matt Gonzalez asked:

What's it gonna take for you NOT to vote for Obama or McCain?

[HESIGN]

This (s)election is pure bullshit. Most of the general public (lemmings) think that voting for g.i. joe/malibu barbie or obiden will get us out of this black hole. Not even close. More war, more black-ops, more c.o.g. tactics, more brainwashing, and more false flag terror. The left-right hoax is still working on most sheep....i mean people. No Ron Paul, no vote.

[bar730]

Great thanks for the information REP:)

[bugabuse]

Who cares about these candidates?

The only real candidates are Obama and McCain.

[henrynzidane24an]

because supposedly you live in a democracy.

[bugabuse]

None of the third party candidates are as good as Ron Paul, therefore you shouldn't support them.

[larma7]

Ron Paul wasn't as good as Mike Gravel, therefore you shouldn't support them.

[flufbus]

True, but the problem is none of them will get into the presidential office because the average person is too stupid to see throught the bias media coverage to make their own opinion.

[larma7]

Well, I was just mocking bugamuse for his idiotic comment.

[VampireSaviorX]

Ron Paul has possibly the worst most anti-human rights and anti-intellectual policies that I've ever seen.

[larma7]

Ron Paul is not that bad. He is just very, very strict, and he offered no progressive policies.

[VampireSaviorX]

You're right, he isn't that bad; I exaggerated a lot out of personal offense (his polices could possibly lead to the repealing of affirmative action). He does share many views with McCain though, so I see him as McCain without the shame and corruptness, but a bit more extreme.

[larma7]

Whoah!!! Now THAT is ridiculous and absurd!!! McCain and Paul are not close AT ALL!!!!!! Are you serious???

[VampireSaviorX]

In some areas they do. After all, they are both conservatives.

[larma7]

McCain is a neo-con with a very liberal record. McCain is a warmonger and a cunning politician who is advised by foreign lobbyists and the Military industrial Complex.

McCain is a corrupted sell-out.

Ron Paul is a statesman.

[VampireSaviorX]

I did not mean to compare their character.

[larma7]

But even in policy, they are not similar at all. Ron Paul is a true conservative. Agree or disagree with him, his beliefs are strong.

[addictfan]

would mind giving me some sources and references of that information?

[VampireSaviorX]

Well, to start, he proposed the H.R. 7955, which eliminates the dept. of education. He also proposed the H.R. 4653 which eliminates federal education assistance in states that require private schools to have certification. Privatizing education would be terrible. H.R. 7955 also "Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style."

[VampireSaviorX]

H.R.3863

"A bill to provide that the Internal Revenue Service may not implement certain proposed rules relating to the determination of whether private schools have discriminatory policies."

This means that private schools who may use race as a factor in determining admission cannot be investigated.

H.J.RES.42 also denies citizenship to people born to non-citizen parents. This one personally seems odd because my older brother became a citizen this way.

I might be focusing on his past too much.

[VampireSaviorX]

There are some more, but his basic stance is a hands-off approach to leading combined with his relatively conservative viewpoints sort of like laissez-faire with his imposed beliefs, which many are religious.

[Squirelbutt]

Where do you get that from?

[Kold2market]

Rekognize, dat Obama and McCain are 2 players on the same team = The Corporate elite who controlls Washington and this country.

If you want TRUE CHANGE, VOTE - NADER/Gonzalez 2008

Peace

[rapzeh2]

you gotta love 3rd parties candidates like Nader.

disbelief the mainstream media

[TravisMay11]

I still don't understand this. In '04 I voted for Kerry even though I would have rather had Nader. This election, I have already voted for Obama. If Hillary would have won the democratic nomination, I guess I would have voted for Nader. When you vote for Nader I guess you are saying there is no difference between the Rep and Dem choices. I think there is a difference in Obama and McCain, and it would be much worse to have McCain than Obama. That's why I think it's a mistake to vote Nader.

[Kold2market]

It's better to vote for what you want and not get it, than to vote for what you don't want and get it.

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still evil (It's not good enough for America ) We deserve the BEST - NADER/Gonzalez 2008

[Squirelbutt]

Thats a good line... ^^)

[DecentralizedTommy]

the differences between the two are on issues that shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

when it comes to important issues like:

never leaving Iraq, ever

continuing the genocide in afghanistan

going into Pakistan

threatening war with Iran

[DecentralizedTommy]

putting the interest of Israel above all else

taking your constitutional rights away with the patriot act

bailouts with our money, when we are not asking to do that, and a less than 1% sales tax on all wall street transactions can easily pay for their own bailout.

MCCAIN AND OBAMA ARE THE SAME- the mistake is to NOT vote Nader.

[Squirelbutt]

Of course theres a difference in obama and mccain.. Its black and white... har har har.. Thats the only difference..

[Pleblian]

Rep, Question for ya... How is Nader supposed to get around the college electoral process?

[QbanNewWave]

Nader is still running as a Democrat, so the electoral college has to either vote Democrat or Republican. Those delegates are not committed to their party nominees for ALL votes, but I will tell you, it would take a miracle.

[numba1stunna4269]

hell yes!

[gittarpikk]

I would vote for Ron Paul...but he went in as a Republican and had to bow out to McCain. I cannot figure why he didnt go in as an Independant... I think the independants would have won over this election if

a)everyone were not scared, as I that a vote for the independant party would ne a non counting vote as there are not enough to carry the vote b)all votes have to count this election to get what has been in the whitehouse for the last 8 years out.The Bush regime must leave!

[wedapeepole]

paul ran as republican cuz he knew he would never win as independant no one ever does its sad

[Squirelbutt]

Like Ron Paul said, He would of never gotten on any debates if he ran independent.

[Ponerology]

Good point.

[berrypievision]

Two bad the other two had to whine about the debates and not show up.

[katey1dog]

We can not afford 4 more years of Republican politics. Obama must win or else, McCain will die, and Caribou Barbie becomes our President.

[RationalLiberty]

then obama shouldnt have spoken to AIPAC, endorsed Israel, voted for FISA, voted for the Bailout, voted for the Patriot Act, said he was going to keep a nuclear first strike on Iran on the table, and he should have said that all corporate and US military forces will leave Iraq in six months.

But since he didnt say that, and because he did all those other things-he doesnt get my vote. Too bad Obama, you stand for policies that are anathema to me.

[clevername333]

I did not know that. Thank you for the information RationalLiberty.

[katey1dog]

Don't you think I know about the Patriot Act? There are issues here more vital than that. It is Sarah Palin. The Patriot Act is the greatest FALSE FLAG that this country has ever faced. But if Palin becomes President, there will be MORE Patriot Acts.

[Squirelbutt]

Patriot Acts? or SNL Acts?

[RationalLiberty]

No, there should be NO patriot acts and there should not be any others in the future. We have Congress. And they can still not bring bills to a vote, they can still filibuster, they can still override a presidents veto, they can still choose to not confirm appointments, they can still choose to hold hearings, and they can still amend such vile acts. And there is impeachment (though it shall never be used again...)

Think of the checks on the executive from the Congress.

[katey1dog]

Obama must be the choice. Voting for Nader in 2000 was the best choice available. This time is serious. Much, much, more.

This is about pure intelligence. A man whom graduated fifth in his class at Anapolis, or had been a Harvard Laureate with a Jurist Degree and also a professor. Obama or bust.

[sniper6081]

Y'know back in the the 1800s that was called elitism if you had that kind of record and were considered disconnected with the common people. They instead voted for people who couldn't even spell like Andrew Jackson and ironicly enough this country was in its best state during those presidencies. Those presidents actually kept us out of debt. The world isn't in books and documents. It's not about being the most intelligent. It's about wisdom and common sense.

[katey1dog]

It's not about being the most intelligent. It's about wisdom and common sense.

Wisdom and common sense IS intelligence.

[sniper6081]

No it's not. Let me give you anexample.

Say I ask an intelligent person if a red house is made out of red bricks and a blue house is made out of blue bricks what's a greenhouse made out of? If they aren't wise odds are they'd say green bricks instead of glass because they only see data and interpret it as such. Somebody who is wise and has common sense would say glass because they can tell that you're trying to trick them with the different colors of the other two houses.

[katey1dog]

Somebody who is wise and has common sense would say glass because they can tell that you're trying to trick them with the different colors of the other two houses.

I think Barack Obama is wise to that. Very wise. The singular reason why Obama has not attacked McCain is simple. The attacks are baseless and are imploding his campaign. The people are seeing this, and are not ignoring it. Obama is wise.

[sniper6081]

Okay so now you do understand the difference between wisdom and intelligence. That's good.

[sjfmeyers67]

fuck obama. good luck when ur country gets invaded

[katey1dog]

My country? By whom?

[RationalLiberty]

I agree intelligence is very important. but it just depends what you want the president to do.

If you want him to control everything, then maybe you want an intelligent president. If you want a president who will stand by Constitutional principles, he may not need to be intelligent at all.

If he has the right values then he can be just as good. Hopefully with more intelligence we hope those values will come, but we cannot be sure.

im seriously considering nader because of this.

[katey1dog]

I agree intelligence is very important. but it just depends what you want the president to do.

The only action that the President must do to reclaim the Presidency for the people is to obey the law. PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Thats all that needs be done.

Obama will do this. We all RESPECT Mr. Nader. But the current urgency is for Obama to win.

[RationalLiberty]

ah but why did obama vote for the patriot act? Why did he vote for the FISA bill this summer? Why does he want to expand faith based initiatives?

These are not constitutional pieces of legislation. They undermine liberty and our constitutional rights.

Nader is right on these issues, and sadly Obama is wrong. He taught constitutional law, but it seems he wanted to ignore that when those bills came up, and when he talked about faith based initiatives.

[skipperiffic]

But is it better to vote Obama the lesser of two evils or vote Nader who we know will lose?

[RationalLiberty]

skipperiffic,

it all depends on whether you want to vote for a "winner" or if you want to vote for specific policies.

If you want to vote for policies, you may like all of barack's policies, even with his inconsistencies (as I see it), however, chances are the third parties reflect more of your values (since they dont have to pander to a big tent or "independents" who arent in their party, or corporate or lobbying interests).

I dont think about whos likely to win or lose

...

[RationalLiberty]

...

After all, wouldnt that destroy the purpose of voting, if you were going to vote for someone who didnt reflect your interests entirely?

[skipperiffic]

I am all for 3rd parties. Voted for Nader in 2000. But I keep hearing the argument that unless you want McCain in office you have to vote Obama. It seems that even progressive types I know who have always voted third parties are going to Obama since this is such an 'important election'.

There must be another way to promote alternative parties beyond a vote that many would consider a waste of a vote. I know that lies in voting third parties in local elections but there are none where I live.

[katey1dog]

I know where you're coming from. It's completely understandable. But I have high hopes for Obama. With popular pressure coming from all of us, unilaterally, we might see the end of the "unPatriot Act(s)"

What isn't Nader right on? The man took on GENERAL MOTORS and won!  Preston Tucker couldn't do that! And he was a genious!

[RationalLiberty]

hopes are as far as I get for Obama. His record and his campaign have disappointed me.

I am unsure on Nader's economic policies. I need to study more economics and determine for myself how much regulation should be involved by the government and whether or not such regulation is good.

Im a fan of Ron Paul, and I think his policies have a better argument behind them.

[katey1dog]

I was voting Ron Paul and contemplating donating to the cause. But the moment, the shear instance, that SARAH PALIN reared her NEOPHYTIC, NEOCON face, it was Obama or bust.

This woman is one 72 YEAR OLD HEART ATTACK away from the Presidency! I quote Matt Damon, "I need to know if Sarah Palin believes that the world was created 6000 years ago."

This is a woman, whom believes in the END OF DAYS and if McCain dies, SHE WILL HAVE THE NUCLEAR CODES! The economy ain't my concern.

[RationalLiberty]

and such will the cycle of "the lesser of two evils continue"

The race to the bottom of candidates and VP picks will always assure two party dominance i am sad to say.

If we dont vote our conscience we will never have a "good" country, always a "less evil" country.

So it is as I see it.

[katey1dog]

Ah yes, the Lesser of Two Evils argument. Obama is not the lesser, he is the better.

I voted my conscience in 2000 and 2004. Nader was out of intelligence, Kerry out of necessity, NOW it is truely time for a change. Nader can not offer anything. HE IS WISE. No doubt. But when I hear that there are REPUBLICAN men and women openly endorsing Obama, its a lock. Obama or bust.

[RationalLiberty]

so if republicans like obama so much (the same people who made such bad decisions, who have led us to record deficits, and have been WRONG about every major policy decision of the past eight years), tell me why is it that endorsements to Obama by these people is a good thing?

I guess though, it depends on the principles of the republicans who endorse Obama. Bipartisanship is a thing to be feared now.

it means both parties agree on taking away ourliberties and expanding the empire.

[katey1dog]

There is no real (2) Party system. All receive the same PAC money from the same capitalism. No Doubt. It's all a single party.

I can trust Obama. Or, at least I think I can. But as for the gutless and cowardly Democrats, never. Or the power hungry and treasonous Republicans, hell no.

[Squirelbutt]

Voting for either is voting for socialist plan A or socialist plan B. Both are big government. Both are corporate pundits. Both are CFR. Both are party puppets. The administration is still the same controlling these two people. either or is status quo.

[katey1dog]

Nothing particularly wrong with Socialism. After all, I like to see the firemen, police, SEC, HTA, and the FDIC.

[LOokAnDSeEHowFaStIaM]

About 50 years ago Americans were warned about a possible infiltration from immigrants. Who were those immigrants? Jews. Jews took over America and they control the goverment system and the American Congress. I can't remember the last time a true American was president. Say no to Israel.

[LethalKillingMachine]

Neither one of these men will win as they have not been given AIPAC's nod and the central bankers own us. Paulson knows that you're going to support him on more bailouts just as you did his company Goldman Sachs. You have NO CHOICE but to do so. They are in charge.

I have told people that this day was coming, but when I told them they typically replied, "but the Jews are God's favorite people, didn't you know?" They are in charge. Only when we crack the whip can the wheels of justice turn.

[jastheswift2]

the real jews are black people-this is what known in the secret societies and why they are the ones who are targeted

[LethalKillingMachine]

I have heard that before, but even if it's true it still doesn't change the fact that neither one of independents will get in.

[drakionx]

neither one? there are more than two buddy.

[RationalLiberty]

im planning on being there.

[RationalLiberty]

say what? Why is that?

[Landrew120880]

A vote for any of these people in this election, for me, would be difficult. Obama looks good for the country right now and McCain must lose.

[jeffjohnrog]

You won't find a socially responsible, educated and progressive voter that doesn't at the very least respect what Nader is saying.

That said, we ALL know he's not gonna win. Even if he were invited to the real debates. Furthermore, if he causes yet another republican win because of his "crusade" to the white house then he screws us all.

I understand, vote what you believe. But that isn't a viable option people. He could do more good from outside the game, instead of spoiling it.

[wcarlpdrysdale]

I'll be watching

[TiradeFaction]

A shame on Frontline really, I love the program, but they too dig into the media distortion we live in a "two party system".

[Lungyao1]

Where is Mckinnie, and Barr?

[TiradeFaction]

Barr's refused to attend (typical) and I'm not sure about McKinney, I'd like her to attend honestly, but we'll see.

[representativepress]

McKinney says she didn't want to, she claims the reason is that the Nader camp set up the thing and dictated the terms (this is what she says and why se won't do it)

[TiradeFaction]

Do you think there's any truth to her claim?

[representativepress]

AS to why she won't do it? I don't know but I don't think it is a good reason. Even if Nader invited the others after setting it it, it still is a good idea for the candidates to participate, I think it shows again that she has a chip on her shoulder. Another indication of a problem. I think she is unreasonable. I don't want someone who physically assaults a Capital Hill police officer to be President.

[TiradeFaction]

No, I was asking if there was any truth to the claim Nader was pulling a CPD on this debate, which would be very ironic. I don't really believe that, since this debate was created without the inclusion of Nader I believe.

Are you sure the police officer didn't have it coming? ;).