Liamo345 humans are more phisically and mentally similar to plant,fruit, and nut eating animals. The best example of this would be the digestive system out digestive system is much longer than a meat eating animal's such as a wolf or dog because when an animal eats meat it has to digest the flesh very quickly so the flesh doesent have as much time to decay. We also have a much less acidic digestive system so it takes waaaaaay longer to digest meat than a meat eaters would.
@scurvydog321 Stop cherry picking arguments! This irritates me the most out of all the nonsense vegans often spew from their mouths. Our digestive system is longer than a carnivore's, yet much shorter than a herbivores. Suggesting we are omnivores. Carnivore stomach acid ph = 1-2. Herbivore = about 4. Humans = 3. Further suggesting omnivore diet. Carnivores have sharp teeth, herbivores have flat teeth. We have both types. Vegans will often ignorantly point out that we have only one set of canine
@joe848484 teeth, yet our front teeth are also not strictly herbivore teeth. They are omnivore teeth. We are omnivores! Fact. There is no way to get around this fact. You may do as you wish, however I will not stand back and listen to blatant lies broadcast to naive ears. Do not solely conjure "facts" from vegan websites. It would be helpful if you based your opinions on facts instead of fallacy.
I lot of the time people get fat because of too much sugar that the body doesn't need which is stored into fat.
Omnivores also don't just eat meat, they also eat fruits and vegies. It also depends on your dietary needs. My body needs more iron and it's a lot easier for me to get that by eating meat, if I were to take meat out of my diet I would be very lethargic.
My sister however who doesn't eat meat has better iron levels than me so that's why she is more stable with not eating meat.
Small question, does everybody have the same nutritional requirements? No, they don't. Don't preach about vegetarianism as if it's the end all-be all solution to everybody's moral and health problems. Also do substantially deeper research before you make such blatant claims. Somebody who leads an active lifestyle with healthy habits who maintains a balanced diet can just as easily live as long and as healthy of a life.
@x64ghost Some small questions--What are these different nutritional requirements of which you speak? As far as I know humans all require the same nutrients. What is a balanced diet? Do humans require animal flesh or mammary secretions?
@derrickdelay We humans for the most part, do require the same nutrients, however, depending on your age, gender, activity levels, health requirements, etc the amount of specific nutrients will be different. As such a balanced diet will provide those nutrients. It is best to consult a doctor before making any drastic changes in diet because you may be removing a vital nutrient from your diet that you, as an individual, need.
@x64ghost What is balanced diet? Why consult a doctor, when they have little or no training in it, about nutrition? Wouldn't it be better to consult a dietitian?
How come other animals eat meat? And thats natural. So don't assume you've the kind of authority that can challenge nature when it comes to nutrition. It's necessary to maintain the food chain. And eating meet doesn't make you fat. Eat french fries all day and see how that works out for you. Meat is not necessarily fatty. You base your argument on trivial bullshit. Im sorry, but it's true.
Again, i don't mind if at all if vegans make the moral argument for vegan food.
I might disagree with it, but i respect that argument.
However claiming that the vegan livestyle is healthier ... no!
Especially when you start claiming that meat contains 2. hand nutritions it gets really stupid. It is actually not second hand, its 3, 4, 5. etc hand nutritions.
@bla34112 Not only are the nutrients 2nd, 3rd,...hand nutrients, the energy is as well. Remember the first law of thermodynamics? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Plants convert solar energy into carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Animals convert that stored chemical energy into themselves. At every step there is a loss of energy. Humans, regardless of where they live(1st or 3rd world) are healthiest when eating a plant-based diet.
Matter cycles through a system, Energy flows through a system.
What i actually wanted to get at is that you saying we get second hand nutritions is grossly misleading. Everything we eat has been recycled indefinitely. That does not at all degrade its quality!
So saying something is not as good, because it has been recycled is stupid.
Want the honest truth? Being a vegan is actually FAR less healthy than the alternative (eating animal based products). Is it more moral? Depends on where you actually get your meat and egg (or similar by product produce of animal). Of all the farmers I have met, none have ever treated their animals (even the bigger producers of these things) poorly, ever. It does happen that people do, but its not as prevalent as most vegans would claim. You have left out alot about the actual nutrition of meat.
@sulthus Healthier? Really? Is that why vegans experience fewer of the major killiers like, cancer and heart disease? If you don't see the inherent violence in factory farming you are blind-willfully I assume. Humans have no nutritional requirement for the flesh of animals.
Vibrant, you are very far wrong in this case. Cancer? Hear disease? THAT has NOTHING to do with meat. It has a lot and all to do with unhealthy lifestyle people live, they eat meat that is fried in vegetable oils... They eat meats that have they're taste syntheticaly enchanced. Saying meat bad is same as saying broccolis are bad, absurd huh? Funny, how some people attack meat-eaters. Atm, im eating 250 g of chicken and over a pound of broccoli and carrots. Balance is the key.
Why are you explaining this like a kindergarden teacher? And why are you giving us a lesson on photosynthesis? We who eat meat(ummm..good..when it's not full of horomones) have a good source of NRG and Nutrients in meat. Which last longer. Not that I advocate only eating meat( I'm an Omnivore by nature of evolution...check out the Saharra theory), but also friuts and veggies. Watch out for GMO's and Glutin. You forget that there are a number of nutrients not naturally found in a Vegans diet.
@thinker900 Omnivore is not a scientific classification. It describes behavior, not biology. By nature of evolution you are a highly adaptive primate who can eat almost anything, but who still has the anatomy and physiology of the folio-frugivore from which you evolved. Yes, you can eat small amounts of animal products and still be healthy-the point is that you don't need to. Eating animals is completely unnecessary. We have no nutritional requirements for flesh.
@VibrantVegan Well, if it doesn't involve having to pop pills or spend outside my means then I might agree with you. I tried to go vegan and it was way to expensive and I needed to frequently pop pills for whatever nutrient not available by just ingesting vegetation. I never needed to do that while being an omnivore.
@thinker900 Eating a vegan diet doesn't have to be expensive. If you eat a whole-food diet based on fruit, veggies and legumes it is fairly inexpensive and you can get all the nutrients you need without popping pills. The nutrients most people are worried about are protein and calcium. Both are abundant in green leafy veggies. Per calorie, broccoli has more protein than a steak!
@VibrantVegan Ok, I have three questions for you: 1) What is your occupation. 2) How much do you actually make. 3) How much do you spend per month? Only Broccoli? I really don't like broccoli. Well, at least not plain broccoli....cheese please. You can PM me, if you don't want to reveal your occupation or earnings.
Biologi student response: This is just not true at all. Meat is a perfect source of energy, why you might ask... The answer is simple. The mass that build up animals are much more complex then that of a plant. The biggest part of the plants biomass is C6H12O6, or glycos. This can later be used to syntesice higher forms of energy, or carbohydrates and proteins. In animal meat most of the mass is this higher form of energi.
(English is not my main language, hope i made myself clear)
@Tzumachiru This is true. Plants are the primary producers of all fats, carbohydrates and proteins. You can get all the macronutrients you need to build your body from plants. Animal-based foods are completely unnecessary.
Why do vegans always look so damn pale? Actually, meat protein is absorbed to a much greater extent compared to plant sources of protein. I eat plant sources of protein too. Gee, that would be nice though, I could be eating black beans all day every day.
@thespecter2 Actually, in reality, it takes much longer for your digestive system to breakdown and assimilate animal flesh than it does for plant-based protein.
@thespecter2 The absorption of protein in animal flesh isn't greater either. All proteins(animal or plant) are broken down into their amino acid constituents before they are reconfigured into people proteins.
@thespecter2 Did you know that calorie for calorie broccoli has more protein than beef? It does! The bioavailability index ranks proteins that are more like human proteins higher than ones that aren't. The problem with that is that we don't need proteins we need amino acids to build our own proteins. A whole food plant-based diet provides all the amino acids we need. Humans have no nutritional requirement for meat.
@Aeythvaenn We are omnivores more by practice than by anatomy and physiology. We have the ability to eat anything-that doesn't mean anything is healthy for us. A plant-based diet is the healthiest human diet.
@VibrantVegan well you can eat plants only but you have to take B-12...wich happen to be naturally in meat, and we need B-12 otherwise we get deficiency and damage...
@Aeythvaenn B12 is produced by a bacteria that is ingested and lives within the digestive tracts of animals, including humans. In the U.S it is estimated that 40% of the population is B12 deficient. This isn't because 40% of the population is vegan. It is because of lack of intrinsic factor(required for the absorption of B12) due to SAD and our ultra bacteria-phobic culture. We sanitize everything. Because animals are routinely fed antibiotics the U.S. meat supply is extremely low in B12.
@VibrantVegan So? That doesnt encourage a vegan diet, only that our food sources need to be healthier. With a vegan diet you certainly cant get bio active b12. annyone saying otherwise is simply denying things like the earth being round
@VibrantVegan um, no. For one thing the human body can coast for quite a while on it's b-12 stores so something seasonal like SAD cannot be the root cause. For another thing yes humans have the bacteria to make b-12, however they exists too far down in the G.I. tract for us to absorb. So unless you are eating your own poop none of the b-12 you make will be around for you to absorb.
@opcn18 SAD in this discussion stands for Standard American Diet, not Seasonal Affective Disorder. We humans also have B12 producing bacteria in our nasal passages and our mouths.
@VibrantVegan Why would you use an acronym for a non-standard way to refer to our diet that belongs to something else? We eat a western diet, it's the same in the UK or spain or germany as it is in the US. Can you point me to any scientific litterature that suggests that IF levels are low from meat consumption? If we can bacterially produce our own b12 why do so many vegitarians have to take pills in order to get their required doses?
@VibrantVegan Those folio-frugivores evolved from insectavores, should we eat insects too then? Before that our ancestral chain goes to serious heavy duty predators, should we go back to that? No you wanna stick to animals that eat veggies too huh? Well until very modern humans none of our ancestors ate no meat for at least 35 million years. None of the great apes, heck none of the apes are even vegetarian, let alone vegan. Paleo is short for paleolithic, our ancestors then ate plenty of meat.
@opcn18 You are so right! Our ancestors ate diets based on insects, plants and animals. We are here today because we retain the ability to use almost any living thing as food. We are dietary generalists. Because we can eat anything doesn't mean we should. Modern medical/nutritional research informs us a plant-based diet is the healthiest for humans and since we are not obligate meat eaters why kill unnecessarily?
@VibrantVegan I keep hearing that vegetarianism is the healthiest, but only from vegetarians. From the nutritional litterature I've seen there is a steep price paid for eating too much meat, but eating a little versus none is actually healthier from a thriving standpoint and no different than none on the longevity count. Do you have references to back your claims?
@opcn18 Notice in my previous post I claimed, "Modern medical/nutritional research informs us a plant-based is the healthiest for humans" A plant-based diet is a diet in which plants comprise more than 80% of your total caloric intake. I would love to see the literature backing your claim that eating a little meat(define little-vague term) is healthier than eating none. All the research I see says the less meat the better--I happen to eat none(for 16yrs) and am very healthy.
@squishy121888 Being sick and fat is killing yourself through neglect. The standard meat based diet of the industrialized world is responsible for more people being overfed(fat) and malnourished than there are people who are underfed(starving)and malnourished. There are three reasons people in industrialized countries eat meat: Greed, Fear and Ignorance. What is your reason?
I agree. The standard diet isn't good. However taking the opposite to an extreme is just as bad, if not worse. The reason I eat it? I don't. However, as a biology lover, I hate the lack of knowledge expressed by the Vegan community.
You forgot reason 4 for meat-eating "Because it is tasty." You seem to not understand that people who eat meat can be acutely aware of all of the factors, but understand that abolishing their favourite foods really does solve nothing.
@squishy121888 I think you will find vegans are some of the most thoughtful, knowledgeable eaters around. They come to veganism after careful consideration and usually a fair bit of education. Since you are a lover of biology you will no doubt be enamored by the fact that humans have no nutritional requirements for the flesh or mammary secretions of animals. I didn't forget the "4th reason". It is included in the Greed category. Greed destroys human health, the planet and animals lives.
The nutrients one derives from meat tend to be more digestible than those from plant materials. for example, Omega Fatty acids from flax are only 50% usable by a human body, where as from salmon it is closer to 90%. Yes, Flax has more, but you get more out of the fish.
@squishy121888 Hello! Thanks for the comment. You will notice in my video I didn't claim the nutrients in plants to be more or less digestible than those found in the muscles of animals. What I claimed is that plants are the primary producers of fat, carbohydrates, and protein; and that all the minerals we need are pulled from the soil by plants; and that almost all the micronutrients we need for vibrant health are produced by plants. Animals are second hand plants. I eat primary nutrition.
No. You specified second-hand nutrition is worse, when it is actually better.
That's fine if you work on a lower trophic level. I really don't care for your reason; however don't pretend it gives you special powers over people who eat actual balanced diets without cutting out things. Different diets do not equate to more compassion.
I am starting to lift weights. Everyone tells me I have to eat meat to have any muscles. This is getting irritating. These people that are telling me are huge meat lovers and have very little raw material. The thing is, I get more protein than them from the raw material than they do from the meat. Because they eat cooked meat, which destroys the protein. So i am getting more yet they are telling me i dont get any at all. I have seen my muscles grow a lot in a week. Eating meat is not good
Right on! Protein doesn't build muscles. Getting enough protein and lifting heavy weights builds muscles. Keep lifting, eating a healthy, whole-food vegan diet and watch your muscles continue to grow.
Thanks man. I will keep lifting and getting my amino acids. B-) Meat has growth hormones and other things that arent mean to be in the human body. Since I became Vegan I have been able to do 20 minutes worth of interval cardio. Before when I wasnt I could barely do 5 minutes. Thanks for the reply.
In addition to the growth hormones in animal products you find bio-active stress hormones. Most people have more than enough stress in their lives without consuming it with their food. Yeah, with the cardio your blood vessels are cleaner so you can deliver more oxygen to your muscles. Keep rockin' it!
Yes that is true, and stress is something that can make your body respond in the same way, since the body follows the mind. Wow this was informative, thanks for the reply. Take care
If you get your meat from reputable sources or just hunt yourself to get only enough to nourish your body giving thanks to the great mother earth you will get all the nutrients you need to have a healthy body.
Liamo345 humans are more phisically and mentally similar to plant,fruit, and nut eating animals. The best example of this would be the digestive system out digestive system is much longer than a meat eating animal's such as a wolf or dog because when an animal eats meat it has to digest the flesh very quickly so the flesh doesent have as much time to decay. We also have a much less acidic digestive system so it takes waaaaaay longer to digest meat than a meat eaters would.
scurvydog321 9 months ago
@scurvydog321 Stop cherry picking arguments! This irritates me the most out of all the nonsense vegans often spew from their mouths. Our digestive system is longer than a carnivore's, yet much shorter than a herbivores. Suggesting we are omnivores. Carnivore stomach acid ph = 1-2. Herbivore = about 4. Humans = 3. Further suggesting omnivore diet. Carnivores have sharp teeth, herbivores have flat teeth. We have both types. Vegans will often ignorantly point out that we have only one set of canine
joe848484 6 months ago
@joe848484 teeth, yet our front teeth are also not strictly herbivore teeth. They are omnivore teeth. We are omnivores! Fact. There is no way to get around this fact. You may do as you wish, however I will not stand back and listen to blatant lies broadcast to naive ears. Do not solely conjure "facts" from vegan websites. It would be helpful if you based your opinions on facts instead of fallacy.
joe848484 6 months ago
I lot of the time people get fat because of too much sugar that the body doesn't need which is stored into fat.
Omnivores also don't just eat meat, they also eat fruits and vegies. It also depends on your dietary needs. My body needs more iron and it's a lot easier for me to get that by eating meat, if I were to take meat out of my diet I would be very lethargic.
My sister however who doesn't eat meat has better iron levels than me so that's why she is more stable with not eating meat.
thisisBB 10 months ago
@thisisBB
It as also a personal choice.
So we all need to stop this "Vegans do this" and "Meat-eaters do that"
thisisBB 10 months ago
@thisisBB i hear spinach has a lot of iron
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J0baka 10 months ago
Finally another vegan that believes that people who eat animals are one with the animals. I'm favoring this video.
candyazz28 10 months ago
Small question, does everybody have the same nutritional requirements? No, they don't. Don't preach about vegetarianism as if it's the end all-be all solution to everybody's moral and health problems. Also do substantially deeper research before you make such blatant claims. Somebody who leads an active lifestyle with healthy habits who maintains a balanced diet can just as easily live as long and as healthy of a life.
x64ghost 1 year ago
@x64ghost Some small questions--What are these different nutritional requirements of which you speak? As far as I know humans all require the same nutrients. What is a balanced diet? Do humans require animal flesh or mammary secretions?
derrickdelay 1 year ago
@derrickdelay We humans for the most part, do require the same nutrients, however, depending on your age, gender, activity levels, health requirements, etc the amount of specific nutrients will be different. As such a balanced diet will provide those nutrients. It is best to consult a doctor before making any drastic changes in diet because you may be removing a vital nutrient from your diet that you, as an individual, need.
x64ghost 1 year ago
@x64ghost What is balanced diet? Why consult a doctor, when they have little or no training in it, about nutrition? Wouldn't it be better to consult a dietitian?
derrickdelay 1 year ago
How come other animals eat meat? And thats natural. So don't assume you've the kind of authority that can challenge nature when it comes to nutrition. It's necessary to maintain the food chain. And eating meet doesn't make you fat. Eat french fries all day and see how that works out for you. Meat is not necessarily fatty. You base your argument on trivial bullshit. Im sorry, but it's true.
liamo345 1 year ago
humpf...
Again, i don't mind if at all if vegans make the moral argument for vegan food.
I might disagree with it, but i respect that argument.
However claiming that the vegan livestyle is healthier ... no!
Especially when you start claiming that meat contains 2. hand nutritions it gets really stupid. It is actually not second hand, its 3, 4, 5. etc hand nutritions.
Every thing we eat has been recycled soo often...
Only the energy we consume is actually new.
bla34112 1 year ago
@bla34112 Not only are the nutrients 2nd, 3rd,...hand nutrients, the energy is as well. Remember the first law of thermodynamics? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Plants convert solar energy into carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Animals convert that stored chemical energy into themselves. At every step there is a loss of energy. Humans, regardless of where they live(1st or 3rd world) are healthiest when eating a plant-based diet.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan
remember your high school biology class?
Matter cycles through a system, Energy flows through a system.
What i actually wanted to get at is that you saying we get second hand nutritions is grossly misleading. Everything we eat has been recycled indefinitely. That does not at all degrade its quality!
So saying something is not as good, because it has been recycled is stupid.
What matters is composition.
im running out of characters here
If you're interested in discussion let me kn
bla34112 1 year ago
Want the honest truth? Being a vegan is actually FAR less healthy than the alternative (eating animal based products). Is it more moral? Depends on where you actually get your meat and egg (or similar by product produce of animal). Of all the farmers I have met, none have ever treated their animals (even the bigger producers of these things) poorly, ever. It does happen that people do, but its not as prevalent as most vegans would claim. You have left out alot about the actual nutrition of meat.
sulthus 1 year ago
@sulthus Healthier? Really? Is that why vegans experience fewer of the major killiers like, cancer and heart disease? If you don't see the inherent violence in factory farming you are blind-willfully I assume. Humans have no nutritional requirement for the flesh of animals.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan
Is a vegan diet healthier in the US?
well, probably, due to the abundance of meat and fat.
Is this the case in 3rd world countries? nope...
Is this the case in 1st world countries like japan, china or Finland?
nope!
So please, stop making bullshit arguments that only apply to less than 4 percent of a population.
bla34112 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan.
Vibrant, you are very far wrong in this case. Cancer? Hear disease? THAT has NOTHING to do with meat. It has a lot and all to do with unhealthy lifestyle people live, they eat meat that is fried in vegetable oils... They eat meats that have they're taste syntheticaly enchanced. Saying meat bad is same as saying broccolis are bad, absurd huh? Funny, how some people attack meat-eaters. Atm, im eating 250 g of chicken and over a pound of broccoli and carrots. Balance is the key.
orks2 8 months ago
its all about hemp protein
romulux7 1 year ago
Why are you explaining this like a kindergarden teacher? And why are you giving us a lesson on photosynthesis? We who eat meat(ummm..good..when it's not full of horomones) have a good source of NRG and Nutrients in meat. Which last longer. Not that I advocate only eating meat( I'm an Omnivore by nature of evolution...check out the Saharra theory), but also friuts and veggies. Watch out for GMO's and Glutin. You forget that there are a number of nutrients not naturally found in a Vegans diet.
thinker900 1 year ago
@thinker900 Omnivore is not a scientific classification. It describes behavior, not biology. By nature of evolution you are a highly adaptive primate who can eat almost anything, but who still has the anatomy and physiology of the folio-frugivore from which you evolved. Yes, you can eat small amounts of animal products and still be healthy-the point is that you don't need to. Eating animals is completely unnecessary. We have no nutritional requirements for flesh.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Well, if it doesn't involve having to pop pills or spend outside my means then I might agree with you. I tried to go vegan and it was way to expensive and I needed to frequently pop pills for whatever nutrient not available by just ingesting vegetation. I never needed to do that while being an omnivore.
thinker900 1 year ago
@thinker900 Eating a vegan diet doesn't have to be expensive. If you eat a whole-food diet based on fruit, veggies and legumes it is fairly inexpensive and you can get all the nutrients you need without popping pills. The nutrients most people are worried about are protein and calcium. Both are abundant in green leafy veggies. Per calorie, broccoli has more protein than a steak!
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Ok, I have three questions for you: 1) What is your occupation. 2) How much do you actually make. 3) How much do you spend per month? Only Broccoli? I really don't like broccoli. Well, at least not plain broccoli....cheese please. You can PM me, if you don't want to reveal your occupation or earnings.
thinker900 1 year ago
Biologi student response: This is just not true at all. Meat is a perfect source of energy, why you might ask... The answer is simple. The mass that build up animals are much more complex then that of a plant. The biggest part of the plants biomass is C6H12O6, or glycos. This can later be used to syntesice higher forms of energy, or carbohydrates and proteins. In animal meat most of the mass is this higher form of energi.
(English is not my main language, hope i made myself clear)
Tzumachiru 1 year ago
@Tzumachiru This is true. Plants are the primary producers of all fats, carbohydrates and proteins. You can get all the macronutrients you need to build your body from plants. Animal-based foods are completely unnecessary.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
what is this I don't even
aldfkjldasfkj 1 year ago
Why do vegans always look so damn pale? Actually, meat protein is absorbed to a much greater extent compared to plant sources of protein. I eat plant sources of protein too. Gee, that would be nice though, I could be eating black beans all day every day.
thespecter2 1 year ago
@thespecter2 Actually, in reality, it takes much longer for your digestive system to breakdown and assimilate animal flesh than it does for plant-based protein.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan I figured that. I meant the absorbtion of the protein in animal meat is greater. Not the rate at which it is absorbed.
thespecter2 1 year ago
@thespecter2 The absorption of protein in animal flesh isn't greater either. All proteins(animal or plant) are broken down into their amino acid constituents before they are reconfigured into people proteins.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Wait! But! Supposedly, the bioavailability index would say that meat protein and whey protein constitute the highest amount.
thespecter2 1 year ago
@thespecter2 Did you know that calorie for calorie broccoli has more protein than beef? It does! The bioavailability index ranks proteins that are more like human proteins higher than ones that aren't. The problem with that is that we don't need proteins we need amino acids to build our own proteins. A whole food plant-based diet provides all the amino acids we need. Humans have no nutritional requirement for meat.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
Go Paleo!
Aeythvaenn 1 year ago
@Aeythvaenn Humans evolved from folio-frugivores. Hence our digestive anatomy and physiology. Going paleo means eating a plant-based diet.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Yes but then they evolved into what we have become now: omnivores :-)
Aeythvaenn 1 year ago
@Aeythvaenn We are omnivores more by practice than by anatomy and physiology. We have the ability to eat anything-that doesn't mean anything is healthy for us. A plant-based diet is the healthiest human diet.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan well you can eat plants only but you have to take B-12...wich happen to be naturally in meat, and we need B-12 otherwise we get deficiency and damage...
Aeythvaenn 1 year ago
@Aeythvaenn B12 is produced by a bacteria that is ingested and lives within the digestive tracts of animals, including humans. In the U.S it is estimated that 40% of the population is B12 deficient. This isn't because 40% of the population is vegan. It is because of lack of intrinsic factor(required for the absorption of B12) due to SAD and our ultra bacteria-phobic culture. We sanitize everything. Because animals are routinely fed antibiotics the U.S. meat supply is extremely low in B12.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan So? That doesnt encourage a vegan diet, only that our food sources need to be healthier. With a vegan diet you certainly cant get bio active b12. annyone saying otherwise is simply denying things like the earth being round
Aeythvaenn 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan um, no. For one thing the human body can coast for quite a while on it's b-12 stores so something seasonal like SAD cannot be the root cause. For another thing yes humans have the bacteria to make b-12, however they exists too far down in the G.I. tract for us to absorb. So unless you are eating your own poop none of the b-12 you make will be around for you to absorb.
opcn18 1 year ago
@opcn18 SAD in this discussion stands for Standard American Diet, not Seasonal Affective Disorder. We humans also have B12 producing bacteria in our nasal passages and our mouths.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Why would you use an acronym for a non-standard way to refer to our diet that belongs to something else? We eat a western diet, it's the same in the UK or spain or germany as it is in the US. Can you point me to any scientific litterature that suggests that IF levels are low from meat consumption? If we can bacterially produce our own b12 why do so many vegitarians have to take pills in order to get their required doses?
opcn18 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan Those folio-frugivores evolved from insectavores, should we eat insects too then? Before that our ancestral chain goes to serious heavy duty predators, should we go back to that? No you wanna stick to animals that eat veggies too huh? Well until very modern humans none of our ancestors ate no meat for at least 35 million years. None of the great apes, heck none of the apes are even vegetarian, let alone vegan. Paleo is short for paleolithic, our ancestors then ate plenty of meat.
opcn18 1 year ago
@opcn18 You are so right! Our ancestors ate diets based on insects, plants and animals. We are here today because we retain the ability to use almost any living thing as food. We are dietary generalists. Because we can eat anything doesn't mean we should. Modern medical/nutritional research informs us a plant-based diet is the healthiest for humans and since we are not obligate meat eaters why kill unnecessarily?
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan I keep hearing that vegetarianism is the healthiest, but only from vegetarians. From the nutritional litterature I've seen there is a steep price paid for eating too much meat, but eating a little versus none is actually healthier from a thriving standpoint and no different than none on the longevity count. Do you have references to back your claims?
opcn18 1 year ago
@opcn18 Notice in my previous post I claimed, "Modern medical/nutritional research informs us a plant-based is the healthiest for humans" A plant-based diet is a diet in which plants comprise more than 80% of your total caloric intake. I would love to see the literature backing your claim that eating a little meat(define little-vague term) is healthier than eating none. All the research I see says the less meat the better--I happen to eat none(for 16yrs) and am very healthy.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
93,
I'd rather be sick and fat than killing my body through neglect like OP.
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squishy121888 1 year ago
@squishy121888 Being sick and fat is killing yourself through neglect. The standard meat based diet of the industrialized world is responsible for more people being overfed(fat) and malnourished than there are people who are underfed(starving)and malnourished. There are three reasons people in industrialized countries eat meat: Greed, Fear and Ignorance. What is your reason?
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan
93,
I agree. The standard diet isn't good. However taking the opposite to an extreme is just as bad, if not worse. The reason I eat it? I don't. However, as a biology lover, I hate the lack of knowledge expressed by the Vegan community.
You forgot reason 4 for meat-eating "Because it is tasty." You seem to not understand that people who eat meat can be acutely aware of all of the factors, but understand that abolishing their favourite foods really does solve nothing.
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squishy121888 1 year ago
@squishy121888 I think you will find vegans are some of the most thoughtful, knowledgeable eaters around. They come to veganism after careful consideration and usually a fair bit of education. Since you are a lover of biology you will no doubt be enamored by the fact that humans have no nutritional requirements for the flesh or mammary secretions of animals. I didn't forget the "4th reason". It is included in the Greed category. Greed destroys human health, the planet and animals lives.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
93,
The nutrients one derives from meat tend to be more digestible than those from plant materials. for example, Omega Fatty acids from flax are only 50% usable by a human body, where as from salmon it is closer to 90%. Yes, Flax has more, but you get more out of the fish.
You would know this if you did real research.
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squishy121888 1 year ago
@squishy121888 Hello! Thanks for the comment. You will notice in my video I didn't claim the nutrients in plants to be more or less digestible than those found in the muscles of animals. What I claimed is that plants are the primary producers of fat, carbohydrates, and protein; and that all the minerals we need are pulled from the soil by plants; and that almost all the micronutrients we need for vibrant health are produced by plants. Animals are second hand plants. I eat primary nutrition.
VibrantVegan 1 year ago
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squishy121888 1 year ago
@VibrantVegan
93,
No. You specified second-hand nutrition is worse, when it is actually better.
That's fine if you work on a lower trophic level. I really don't care for your reason; however don't pretend it gives you special powers over people who eat actual balanced diets without cutting out things. Different diets do not equate to more compassion.
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squishy121888 1 year ago
I am starting to lift weights. Everyone tells me I have to eat meat to have any muscles. This is getting irritating. These people that are telling me are huge meat lovers and have very little raw material. The thing is, I get more protein than them from the raw material than they do from the meat. Because they eat cooked meat, which destroys the protein. So i am getting more yet they are telling me i dont get any at all. I have seen my muscles grow a lot in a week. Eating meat is not good
WestSideCoolidge 2 years ago
Right on! Protein doesn't build muscles. Getting enough protein and lifting heavy weights builds muscles. Keep lifting, eating a healthy, whole-food vegan diet and watch your muscles continue to grow.
VibrantVegan 2 years ago
Thanks man. I will keep lifting and getting my amino acids. B-) Meat has growth hormones and other things that arent mean to be in the human body. Since I became Vegan I have been able to do 20 minutes worth of interval cardio. Before when I wasnt I could barely do 5 minutes. Thanks for the reply.
WestSideCoolidge 2 years ago
In addition to the growth hormones in animal products you find bio-active stress hormones. Most people have more than enough stress in their lives without consuming it with their food. Yeah, with the cardio your blood vessels are cleaner so you can deliver more oxygen to your muscles. Keep rockin' it!
VibrantVegan 2 years ago
Yes that is true, and stress is something that can make your body respond in the same way, since the body follows the mind. Wow this was informative, thanks for the reply. Take care
WestSideCoolidge 2 years ago
If you get your meat from reputable sources or just hunt yourself to get only enough to nourish your body giving thanks to the great mother earth you will get all the nutrients you need to have a healthy body.
zaviansnona 2 years ago
Why bother when you can get all you need from plants?
VibrantVegan 2 years ago
@VibrantVegan Except B12 of course.
wormbaby79 1 year ago
its cool i will stick with meat but good message
joeorr213 2 years ago
@joeorr213 same here lol
hugaloa 1 year ago
great vid, great message
Tom
TSM9356 2 years ago
So glad to see you back on video!!
cjrichter73 2 years ago
Thanks. Me too.
VibrantVegan 2 years ago
love your videos everytime^^
alexjiayou 2 years ago
Thanks for watching our videos! Have a beautiful day!
VibrantVegan 2 years ago