@MrWer1138 That's true. Evry smith has to make his cheaper "bread and butter" pieces just to keep hs head above water. I would love to see this watered steel blade being made
@Breathor Honestly here you see the quality of the swords are much better than Japan-made-Katana. Because Japanese forging method is just a copied from China. The vid shows the real hand made Katana with the orginal forging techniques. If you deny me, you have issues.
P.S. since some factories in China made modern copies, retards over the world say China only made cheap products. They don't know Japanese cultures is just a copy of Chinese.
Thanks for posting the great vid! As far as the cult of the katana goes I think it's boring and dumb, Musashi the greatest japanese swordsman ever despised the katana.. He used a jian and bokken.
@MrWer1138 We just show the process of our ordinary sword,Actually Mr.Zhu is the first bladesmith in china who can forge the real watered steel blade. Even now he keeps on hand forge blade by laminating and folding of steel and iron ore,while the others just make by powder steel and of course these are not the real watered steel blade.
@alextse4 i am thinking about buying one of your katanas. I bet i can take one of those crappy factory made katanas and cut it in half with your handmade ones.
Japan is NOT the only place that good swords can be made. Everything depends on the methods used to make the sword, and the sword maker's skill in those methods.
If anything at all, (and I'm just pulling this out of my ass here), Japan might just have a higher concentration of traditional sword makers, thus, more high quality swords would come out of Japan. That's just my theory, with absolutely no data to back myself up with; so if that's not true, call me on it.
longquan swords you all or the oldest sword maker's none in hestroy stateing back 470bs hand made and forged i used to have one of your swords was a gift from my instructor back year's ago lost it with everything els after famly problem's
do you all still make custem handle's and guards im asking couse i never have seen one like my instructor gave to me but i remamber what it looked like
I don't expect this film become my top viewed clip.I just took a short film on the forging process for a low cost blade few years ago.Actually our swordsmith-Mr.Zhu is one of the best swrdsmith for real watered steel blade in china.May be we can make another film on the process of watered steel blade in the near fulture.
jesus guys i am a black smith have done it for years who knows how the chines or the japs got there sword making technics they dont even know most of there own history past 200 years because of wars and other things i do know that folding the iron and carbon over and over compresses the molecules and changes there shap making the iron into steel and much harder
@goober20001 that only matters if you aren't using modern steel and are just pulling mixed iron/steel from the ground. otherwise folding does nothing to affect the blades stability.
@goober20001 "chines(e) or the japs got there sword making technics they dont even know most of there own history past 200 years" umm... what kinda idiot are you? The Chinese have one of the oldest written histories of any civilization, it's written history is alot older American or African history e.g. American History = around 233 years old. Go home and eat some fried chicken noob.
Just because you are completely ignorant of your history does not mean other people are. China has one of the most complete records of it's own history. I myself can trace my own family tree back to the period of the waring states around 200 BC. Try not to be such a complete dick next time.
@goober20001 You need to do history resreach, china history is more then 10,000 year old and japan alot more then America. Yes they both been in wars but, they still record cearly of the history.
Not all of that made sense in my head, but it sure looks like you hate China. Also, if you live in China, then why are you on youtube? I dont have that conversion pinyin/bopomofo thing so i cant type xD. I also think that western inventions used to be good, but today, only japan and china seem to be running this world.
Too much to read. Basically, Im just saying a katana is a katana no matter where you make it. Just like a pizza is a pizza no matter where you make it. Its neither a "true" pizza if its made by italians or pizza hut.
You arent that bad at English and I could understand you, so dont worry about it.
Ok ok you win. A true pizza is made in italy. A true katana is made in Japan. Just like true gunpowder is made in China, and true cars are made in the US.
what if the sparks fo in his eyes and then he dropes the hot steel on the other guy and they both scream in pain and then the they get an in infection which slowely reach's your brain and if you want to live you have to cut of the infected part even if ti is your dick the guy cuts it of the infected part and lives but cant work with steel eney more an the other guy is pussy so he dosent cut of the infected part and dies
Do you ever leave your house? Even if you don't something could fall out of airspace and snuff you out in your sleep. What difference would it make to you if these guys had such accident you publicly fantasized. Keep that impulsive trap shut of yours if you have nothing constructive to say.
@MrDie2live - what a ignorant waste of skin you are - why dont you go and comment on dancing on ice or something and leave real knowledge to the grown ups .
long ago in china to be a blacksmith for the for the kings army all you got was an anvil / forge and metal and you had to make all your own tools as a test of endurance, wisdom and strength
Really? I thought the forges were built by the smiths. Back then they were not stand up cast iron coal forges that were portable. They were on the ground and made from clay and a pipe of some type. Very easy to make, but not so portable. They were pretty lucky if they were given an anvil. I would think that they would be well known smiths with nice shop if the king noticed them.
of course but its a test.. rarely were they given all the materials before hand but after they passed they were one of the most important people in the kings army... and all the supplies were re-crafted or given out of fresh stock to them to get them moving after they have been implemented in the army
allmost all iaitos are made in china, a katana made in japan needs a special kind of permisology o thats why they are made in china, these dosnt seem to be high quality ones but still cool vid... incredible how he just use hes bare hands when cooling the sword, thats the experience right there
well, in spanish we have a word for it, not shure what it is on english but i was refering to permits and some stuff you'll need to get it out of japan.
my sensei bought a prety decent iaito in japan, made of high carbon steel, with a real hammon, folded... etc. Almost a katana. the thing its that he had to show a magazine were he was with the soke of komei juku iaijutsu MJER in order to take the iaito home, they are very over protective wit their traditions
So he had trouble w/ an iaito, which wasn't sharpened right? Like a mogito, unsharpened practice blade? I know they're very nationalistic, but never heard of someone actually being there and havin trouble, only heard of prob.s internationally... 'Permiso' I was told means excuse me in relative enlish, so I can see where your spanish plays in...you still need to coin 'permisology' - the the study of permission, could be a wonderful pyschology treatise!! ;p
wel, not a aluminiu-zinck aloy iaito, a high carbon steel unsharpened katana made with traditional methods in japan, before you take a blade home they use a magnet to see if its ferrous, if it is aparently you need an athorization
actualy i never thought of that but mr google says something about it. in spanish "permisología" its a similar case to "sintomatología" that translates to "sinthomatology" witch is actualy not a cience, just a recopilation of sinthoms... recopilation of permits,,,
I looked up permisología meaning 'permitting & sintomatología which has a medical meaning identifying symptoms...Espanol & English are very similiar yet so different...just like Chinese & Japanese katana!
The swords maybe mono steel or soft cored, the video doesnt show that. They are doing a great job though. Japanese swordsmiths dont get the curve just by the cooling, Ive seen masters have a slight curve beforhand and the cooling makes the curve more noticable and uniform. These guys are making sword blanks then they get polished to a degree before they do a final hardening with a special clay covering the blade thinner at the edge protecting the semi polished blade creating the Hamon.
you can see the diffrence to japanese sword smith art. he just hammers the sword into his crooked form. if a japanes master qould smith it it would get his curved form after cooling it.
also a real katana is still glowing when it is cooled inside the water.
In honesty the Katana was a Japanese version of theChinese Dao, India has the Talwar, Arabia has the scimitar, etc. - its just a tool to kill someone with in the end.
Dao meaning any curved blade, often refers to broadswords, scimitars, and sometimes straight one sided swords. However, jians refer specifically to swords and sometimes one sided swords as well...
I've always heard it called dao if it was single edged, but like you said it maybe interchangeable in some instances. I really don't know since I really don't no much Chinese. A little, but not much. I don't know if the curve was because of any outside influences though. There is really no evidence I've seen to say one way or another. shurgs
I just use my mouth mainly,Mr.Zhu use his big hand!(I just told him how to forge a real watered steel blade,Mr. Zhu spent 2 years in front of the big fire for 2 years before his first watered steel blade was made sucessfully.
Yes we have a old word, a real sword smith will not have any baby,as his ( ) is facing the fire whole day for years,so all the ( )will die out! You know what i am saying?
It's very hard to say where is the best.Longquan is famous for martial art weapon and art Japanese sword nowaday. Of course a few swordsmith still know how to forge the real patterned steel.Yunnam and
Sinkeung province they still have the traditional nation sword factory for the real daily used dagger, they are very good.
Yes, beside tempering this is just a ordinary sword. For the process to forge watered stell blade, I don't have the clip at this moment, I only have process photos only.
My partner is Chu Kin Lam, he is a real watered steel expert. If you say you don't know him that means you are really jealous of him, as his real watered steel blade is costed over US$3,000 and up.While your "watered steel" made by the powder steel just cost only US$400.
My name is Kenneth A. Haakegaard, I am the international representative, personal friend and student of Master sword-smith Zhou Zheng Wu of Long Quan City, Zhejiang - China.
Mr. Zhou is as you know; Long Quan's and China's foremost smith.
How much you retail your swords in Europe and US has nothing to do with the quality.
And your partners name is Chu Kin Lam? This is a Cantonese name.. Has he moved to Long Quan from Canton province?
Sorry! As Long Quan guy are jealous with Mr. Zhu. Your Master knows Master Chu long time ago. He is borned in Long quan! And I don't want to say something that may hurt somebody openly here.
Mr. Zhu made the first watered steel blade in 1994. Replica by means of powder steel can be seen one year later! By the way have you saw your master forging a real watered steel blade by folding and wraping of few pieces of iron and steel bar together like the old days?
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japanese sowds (real traditianaly made)and hand made by japanese swordsmith are the best, and cost up to 4,280 dollars!!!!!!!so take that china and korea!!!!!
lol, no everyone like katana, a lot, I mean seriously a lot of chinese people are into Jian and dao, hand forged hang patterned Jian starts at a price of 2000 US dollars in places like LongQuan. With the chinese cost of living at 10 times lower than that of Japan, and labor work cost 10 time less. you are looking at something that you cant even compare.
WTF? You know shit about swords if you believe that a good katana costs 19000 Dollars. You cant say that Japanese swords are best because its not true. Did you know that the katana style was originally Chinese in the Tang Dynasty and this is where the Japanese got their great swordsmithing from. So how about you be quiet because you have no idea what your talking about. Xie Xie 4 the Vid!
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wtf???shut up!!!!i have seen it and they do cost that much...and you make me lauch the katana style was not originally from china the folding was you idiot so it is you who knows nothing....but even though those chinese swords are still not as strong or sharp as the japanese katana....explain why????
No, the design, the technique, which includes folding, differentially hardening, and polishing and just about everything else was spread through cultural diffusion. I don't see how a Katana would be soo much more stronger if the way that it is made just about mirrors that of its predecessors.
Oh, if you want proof of strength and cutting ability (from a real Chinese sword not a wushu toy you see in movies) just comment back and i will reccomend some good cutting videos for you.
Dont make me laugh Bladed0edge0dickface, stop thinking you know everything about katana's and japanese swords. Just accept the fact that a lot of japanese things were originally chinese. Its a fact. This doesn't make japanese worse by all means. It just means that the swordsmithing and style were taken from the chinese. end of.
you must also take into the account of the power because doesnt mean a better sword, a master with a jian will aim for your weakpoints eg arteries in your wrists and armpits etc. Just because it is two handed doesnt make it better!
Your analogy is not appropriate. American pizza = pure shit. supersized heart attack slop is what it is. Have you ever tasted authentic italian pizza. I think not.
@jawsykilla katana was not from dynasty tang, old katana was evolved from sword of this dynasty but katana in and after age edo was really differently.
From what i heard, a Japanese filming company was offering to give 100,000 dollars to film a Chinese swordsmith forge one of his Jian, and that he was offered 400,000 dollars for his prized work? (of course he turned them all down).
There was an eight-month-old economic newspaper article which said prices of Chinese convenience store have already reached above half of Japan, NOT 10 times lower (You are a liar!), though the average salary of Chinese city dwellers is still one tenth as much as Japan's.
Smithing like real men with no tops or protection.
pete145340 3 days ago
@MrWer1138 That's true. Evry smith has to make his cheaper "bread and butter" pieces just to keep hs head above water. I would love to see this watered steel blade being made
RobertStokewood 6 months ago
i dont like how he disregards the blad ein such a way to chuck it on the floor like that..
jord505 7 months ago
@jord505 if the blade cant take that then it shouldnt be made
Midnighter169 6 months ago
@Midnighter169 i agree on on that level, but it is origionally supposed to be a very spiritual process.
jord505 6 months ago
Here we see how they make the cheap 20 dollar version of the katana you just bought from a REAL smith
Breathor 9 months ago
@Breathor the situation is changing very fast,so you better buy more now hehe!
alextse4 9 months ago
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@Breathor Honestly here you see the quality of the swords are much better than Japan-made-Katana. Because Japanese forging method is just a copied from China. The vid shows the real hand made Katana with the orginal forging techniques. If you deny me, you have issues.
P.S. since some factories in China made modern copies, retards over the world say China only made cheap products. They don't know Japanese cultures is just a copy of Chinese.
classicleon 5 days ago
Thanks for posting the great vid! As far as the cult of the katana goes I think it's boring and dumb, Musashi the greatest japanese swordsman ever despised the katana.. He used a jian and bokken.
MegaHigster 9 months ago
@MrWer1138 We just show the process of our ordinary sword,Actually Mr.Zhu is the first bladesmith in china who can forge the real watered steel blade. Even now he keeps on hand forge blade by laminating and folding of steel and iron ore,while the others just make by powder steel and of course these are not the real watered steel blade.
alextse4 1 year ago
@alextse4 i am thinking about buying one of your katanas. I bet i can take one of those crappy factory made katanas and cut it in half with your handmade ones.
3dog100 11 months ago
omg all iron
aoepanda1980 1 year ago
not droped
druisteen1 1 year ago
Japan is NOT the only place that good swords can be made. Everything depends on the methods used to make the sword, and the sword maker's skill in those methods.
If anything at all, (and I'm just pulling this out of my ass here), Japan might just have a higher concentration of traditional sword makers, thus, more high quality swords would come out of Japan. That's just my theory, with absolutely no data to back myself up with; so if that's not true, call me on it.
darken27 1 year ago
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I want to buy a samurai sword
faberxx2 1 year ago
I want to buy a samurai sword
faberxx2 1 year ago
longquan swords you all or the oldest sword maker's none in hestroy stateing back 470bs hand made and forged i used to have one of your swords was a gift from my instructor back year's ago lost it with everything els after famly problem's
do you all still make custem handle's and guards im asking couse i never have seen one like my instructor gave to me but i remamber what it looked like
dragonart777 1 year ago
Hi everyone:
I don't expect this film become my top viewed clip.I just took a short film on the forging process for a low cost blade few years ago.Actually our swordsmith-Mr.Zhu is one of the best swrdsmith for real watered steel blade in china.May be we can make another film on the process of watered steel blade in the near fulture.
Best regards,
alex
alextse4 1 year ago
jesus guys i am a black smith have done it for years who knows how the chines or the japs got there sword making technics they dont even know most of there own history past 200 years because of wars and other things i do know that folding the iron and carbon over and over compresses the molecules and changes there shap making the iron into steel and much harder
goober20001 1 year ago
@goober20001
What you see here is just a simple cheap blade,sure we also forge watered steel blade.May be we can take some record for you in the futre.
alextse4 1 year ago
@alextse4 Don't worry about him, he's just an idiot :P that doesn't know the difference from his hand from his ass
ChronoSama 1 year ago
@goober20001 the komunism destroyed a lot of cuture i think
MrFliegendesschwein 1 year ago
@goober20001, actually no other countries history has been documented in such detail as the Chinese EVER.
Buuub08 1 year ago
@goober20001 that only matters if you aren't using modern steel and are just pulling mixed iron/steel from the ground. otherwise folding does nothing to affect the blades stability.
reallifeistoflat 1 year ago
@goober20001 "chines(e) or the japs got there sword making technics they dont even know most of there own history past 200 years" umm... what kinda idiot are you? The Chinese have one of the oldest written histories of any civilization, it's written history is alot older American or African history e.g. American History = around 233 years old. Go home and eat some fried chicken noob.
ChronoSama 1 year ago
@goober20001
Just because you are completely ignorant of your history does not mean other people are. China has one of the most complete records of it's own history. I myself can trace my own family tree back to the period of the waring states around 200 BC. Try not to be such a complete dick next time.
gakaron 1 year ago
@goober20001 You need to do history resreach, china history is more then 10,000 year old and japan alot more then America. Yes they both been in wars but, they still record cearly of the history.
1102071 1 year ago
中国は日本には勝てません。
NIHONICHIBAAN 1 year ago
i live in this fake country ,so i know
fu888888888 2 years ago
fake sword in Longquan China
fu888888888 2 years ago
Longquan is cheater！
true kantana made in japan!!!!!!
fu888888888 2 years ago
Wow. And true gunpowder is made in china then.
flapplewapple 2 years ago
@flapplewapple 也就这几个东西而己。你不知道现代社会绝大多数东西都是西方创造发明的？？？？
其实中国最伟大的发明是无耻，最好的证明是假货。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@fu888888888
Not all of that made sense in my head, but it sure looks like you hate China. Also, if you live in China, then why are you on youtube? I dont have that conversion pinyin/bopomofo thing so i cant type xD. I also think that western inventions used to be good, but today, only japan and china seem to be running this world.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 我能看懂你说的英文，但我写英文怕写错了，造成误解。
你对日本刀的了解水平太差。你对于日本和中国的文化也不太了解。
对于你来说，你只是买了一把和日本刀样子差不多的铁片玩玩，是谁做的，水平怎么样不重要，在你看来中国人和日本人长得也差不多。
而我是习剑道并努力学习日本和西方文化的人。对东西的要求很严。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 我在中国生活了几十年，各方面都有很深的了解，中国人在造假这方面可是世界一流的，中国造假是无所不在的。而你这样的不追求真理、知识有限的人给这些造假的人大开方便之门。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 如果你到中国来，希望你吃一吃中国特产地沟油，用一用中国的假货。见识一下世界上最黑心的一群人。你看看我收藏的一些视频里就有。
你这样的人生活在一个民主有法制的国家，你不明白生活在一群黑心骗子中是怎样的不幸！
这些年，我看到我身边很多人因这假劣的东西致病，致残，致死。你说我有多恨。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@fu888888888
Too much to read. Basically, Im just saying a katana is a katana no matter where you make it. Just like a pizza is a pizza no matter where you make it. Its neither a "true" pizza if its made by italians or pizza hut.
You arent that bad at English and I could understand you, so dont worry about it.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 你知道什么叫传统技艺吗？？日本刀匠打制刀具的技术有其独特的方法，你以为照个样子就能学来？相比现在一些公司的治金制造技术不也是保密的，很多特种钢的制造技术也不是一般的国家能仿造的。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@flapplewapple @flapplewapple 你那种以为拿个铁片烧红打一打就能成日本刀的理解太幼稚。中国铁匠与日本刀匠的区别就如同你的智力与爱因思坦的区别。
如同你说的pizza，你做的pizza能与最好厨师比吗？？？？？
fu888888888 1 year ago
@fu888888888
Ok ok you win. A true pizza is made in italy. A true katana is made in Japan. Just like true gunpowder is made in China, and true cars are made in the US.
flapplewapple 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 意大利pizza最正宗！！！
如果你想玩现代工艺造的日式刀，还不如买美国COLD STEEL公司的88k系列，这种完全用现代工艺造的刀质量可以。用来练习和防卫是比较好的选择。
fu888888888 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 另外你对我的意思有一些误解，我想说龙泉周正武了解日本刀的知识是在网上学来的（几年前在论坛上他也问过我和另几个刀友），后来才知道他也卖刀，中国一个叫百兵斋的论坛上有几个想买日本刀的菜鸟买了周正武的刀，试斩竹子和pvc管后刀口与刀身严重受损，我身边一个朋友用他的刀也试斩了下，一刀斩竹子就弯了。我去找这个视频，发上来让大家看看！
fu888888888 1 year ago
@flapplewapple 我找到两个人上传的视频，现在欢迎大家到我的频道去看看！！！
fu888888888 1 year ago
@fu888888888 "当欧洲人还在黑森林里猎鹿的时候，我们犹太人已经在造假支票了"
中国最伟大的发明是汉字，不仅史料的延续性让人羡慕都羡慕不来，还能让我们看到某些无耻汉奸的嘴脸。
enidaque 1 year ago
@enidaque 你什么时候代表“我们犹太人”了？？？？你就一傻逼弱智劣等支那猪，滚回你妈的逼里去造假！！！！
fu888888888 1 year ago
what if the sparks fo in his eyes and then he dropes the hot steel on the other guy and they both scream in pain and then the they get an in infection which slowely reach's your brain and if you want to live you have to cut of the infected part even if ti is your dick the guy cuts it of the infected part and lives but cant work with steel eney more an the other guy is pussy so he dosent cut of the infected part and dies
MrDie2live 2 years ago
Do you ever leave your house? Even if you don't something could fall out of airspace and snuff you out in your sleep. What difference would it make to you if these guys had such accident you publicly fantasized. Keep that impulsive trap shut of yours if you have nothing constructive to say.
1ch190 2 years ago
@MrDie2live - what a ignorant waste of skin you are - why dont you go and comment on dancing on ice or something and leave real knowledge to the grown ups .
chisacat 2 years ago
and do you know forge 2 hands dao like baguazhang (very big) ?
fasanpakmeikune 2 years ago
Yes he forged it before.
alextse4 2 years ago
hi sifu, how much times for forging one jian or dao?
fasanpakmeikune 2 years ago
long ago in china to be a blacksmith for the for the kings army all you got was an anvil / forge and metal and you had to make all your own tools as a test of endurance, wisdom and strength
biobiowar 2 years ago
Really? I thought the forges were built by the smiths. Back then they were not stand up cast iron coal forges that were portable. They were on the ground and made from clay and a pipe of some type. Very easy to make, but not so portable. They were pretty lucky if they were given an anvil. I would think that they would be well known smiths with nice shop if the king noticed them.
thetanukikaji 2 years ago
A nice shop already with lots of tools they already made is what I meant.
thetanukikaji 2 years ago
of course but its a test.. rarely were they given all the materials before hand but after they passed they were one of the most important people in the kings army... and all the supplies were re-crafted or given out of fresh stock to them to get them moving after they have been implemented in the army
biobiowar 2 years ago
that was not a long quan sword....
SierraHawkProduction 2 years ago
So what is a long quan sword?
alextse4 2 years ago
you know when i buy a longquan sword in PARIS ?
druisten3 2 years ago
imitation ～～～～Souvenir
Lodoss3800 2 years ago
That blank looks standard 28 inches to me man.
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago
allmost all iaitos are made in china, a katana made in japan needs a special kind of permisology o thats why they are made in china, these dosnt seem to be high quality ones but still cool vid... incredible how he just use hes bare hands when cooling the sword, thats the experience right there
cocy3000 2 years ago
you should coin the term Permisology I was lookin it up, I was like WTF does that mean, but I get the idea of it.
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago
well, in spanish we have a word for it, not shure what it is on english but i was refering to permits and some stuff you'll need to get it out of japan.
my sensei bought a prety decent iaito in japan, made of high carbon steel, with a real hammon, folded... etc. Almost a katana. the thing its that he had to show a magazine were he was with the soke of komei juku iaijutsu MJER in order to take the iaito home, they are very over protective wit their traditions
cocy3000 2 years ago
So he had trouble w/ an iaito, which wasn't sharpened right? Like a mogito, unsharpened practice blade? I know they're very nationalistic, but never heard of someone actually being there and havin trouble, only heard of prob.s internationally... 'Permiso' I was told means excuse me in relative enlish, so I can see where your spanish plays in...you still need to coin 'permisology' - the the study of permission, could be a wonderful pyschology treatise!! ;p
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago
wel, not a aluminiu-zinck aloy iaito, a high carbon steel unsharpened katana made with traditional methods in japan, before you take a blade home they use a magnet to see if its ferrous, if it is aparently you need an athorization
actualy i never thought of that but mr google says something about it. in spanish "permisología" its a similar case to "sintomatología" that translates to "sinthomatology" witch is actualy not a cience, just a recopilation of sinthoms... recopilation of permits,,,
cocy3000 2 years ago
I looked up permisología meaning 'permitting & sintomatología which has a medical meaning identifying symptoms...Espanol & English are very similiar yet so different...just like Chinese & Japanese katana!
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago
The swords maybe mono steel or soft cored, the video doesnt show that. They are doing a great job though. Japanese swordsmiths dont get the curve just by the cooling, Ive seen masters have a slight curve beforhand and the cooling makes the curve more noticable and uniform. These guys are making sword blanks then they get polished to a degree before they do a final hardening with a special clay covering the blade thinner at the edge protecting the semi polished blade creating the Hamon.
JaedomHexen 2 years ago
you mean wakizashi?
ngoa2254 3 years ago
you can see the diffrence to japanese sword smith art. he just hammers the sword into his crooked form. if a japanes master qould smith it it would get his curved form after cooling it.
also a real katana is still glowing when it is cooled inside the water.
lilluppel 3 years ago
The real katana? The real katana was forged with the exact same methods as the Chinese jian.
Katana forging styles came directly from Tang China.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
In honesty the Katana was a Japanese version of theChinese Dao, India has the Talwar, Arabia has the scimitar, etc. - its just a tool to kill someone with in the end.
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago 11
Arabia has the shamsir, my bad.
ARCDBEACH 2 years ago 3
It was more influenced by the jian though. The Tang Dynasty single sided jians are the direct ancestors of the first katanas in Japan.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
Yes. The Tang dao influenced the tachi (fittings and single edge anyway). And of course the tachi was the ancestor of the katana.
thetanukikaji 2 years ago
aye.
although I'm always confused by jian and dao.
Dao meaning any curved blade, often refers to broadswords, scimitars, and sometimes straight one sided swords. However, jians refer specifically to swords and sometimes one sided swords as well...
I guess it's interchangeable.
Intranetusa 2 years ago
I've always heard it called dao if it was single edged, but like you said it maybe interchangeable in some instances. I really don't know since I really don't no much Chinese. A little, but not much. I don't know if the curve was because of any outside influences though. There is really no evidence I've seen to say one way or another. shurgs
thetanukikaji 2 years ago
ever get burnt not wareing a shirt? i think ur good at what u do anyway.
5937824 3 years ago
Thankyou very much Craftlor d8!
alex
alextse4 3 years ago
Craftknight?
I just use my mouth mainly,Mr.Zhu use his big hand!(I just told him how to forge a real watered steel blade,Mr. Zhu spent 2 years in front of the big fire for 2 years before his first watered steel blade was made sucessfully.
alextse4 3 years ago
i would bet that one would get uncomfortably hot doing that job.
bartlebybartleby 3 years ago
Yes we have a old word, a real sword smith will not have any baby,as his ( ) is facing the fire whole day for years,so all the ( )will die out! You know what i am saying?
alextse4 3 years ago
haha! i do indeed!
bartlebybartleby 3 years ago
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These swords will be shipped directly to Walmart?
bpentium 3 years ago
sorry, we don't have this client yet.
alextse4 3 years ago
they r handmade...
billiejinman 3 years ago
I heard that Longquan swords are the best swords in the whole nation of China , but is it true ?
XiaoLinLong 3 years ago
It's very hard to say where is the best.Longquan is famous for martial art weapon and art Japanese sword nowaday. Of course a few swordsmith still know how to forge the real patterned steel.Yunnam and
Sinkeung province they still have the traditional nation sword factory for the real daily used dagger, they are very good.
alextse4 3 years ago
Yes we only show you the ordinary one, may be in the future I take some film when Mr.Zhu forging a real watered steel blade.
alextse4 4 years ago
Please give me your e-mail address, I will send you
photos how we forge laminated and watered steel blade
alextse4 4 years ago
Sorry, I can't read Japanese.
alextse4 4 years ago
Exactly. Its just a piece of steel in the shape of a sword.
smallcomment 4 years ago
Yes, beside tempering this is just a ordinary sword. For the process to forge watered stell blade, I don't have the clip at this moment, I only have process photos only.
alextse4 4 years ago
Check out my sword forging video too!
theshadowboy607 4 years ago
wow that is nic work and it could b hard and dangerous cus u could get burned like what happened to the stick.
sirkoolkid 4 years ago
Quote: "...His partner is famous for watered steel blade..."
Famous? Well, I've never heard about this guy, and I LIVE in Long Quan... ;)
Alveprins 4 years ago
My partner is Chu Kin Lam, he is a real watered steel expert. If you say you don't know him that means you are really jealous of him, as his real watered steel blade is costed over US$3,000 and up.While your "watered steel" made by the powder steel just cost only US$400.
alextse4 4 years ago
I am not jelous. Why would you say that?
My name is Kenneth A. Haakegaard, I am the international representative, personal friend and student of Master sword-smith Zhou Zheng Wu of Long Quan City, Zhejiang - China.
Mr. Zhou is as you know; Long Quan's and China's foremost smith.
How much you retail your swords in Europe and US has nothing to do with the quality.
And your partners name is Chu Kin Lam? This is a Cantonese name.. Has he moved to Long Quan from Canton province?
Alveprins 4 years ago
Hi Kenneth:
Sorry! As Long Quan guy are jealous with Mr. Zhu. Your Master knows Master Chu long time ago. He is borned in Long quan! And I don't want to say something that may hurt somebody openly here.
REgards,
Alex
alextse4 4 years ago
Hi Kenneth:
May be you can check with our web site "wansword"
You know when we design a new pattern for example a Ching
Dynasty style fitting and we make according to the old way, but few months later replica can be seen all over Long Quan with bad quality of course!
regards,
Alex
alextse4 4 years ago
Hi Kenneth:
Mr. Zhu made the first watered steel blade in 1994. Replica by means of powder steel can be seen one year later! By the way have you saw your master forging a real watered steel blade by folding and wraping of few pieces of iron and steel bar together like the old days?
regards,
alex
alextse4 4 years ago
Hello.
Yes, I have watched Mr. Zhou forging watered steel as in the old days. We are very proud to offer just that quality. :)
I know many many other Long Quan forges make replica from modern steel.
The quality is of course not the same.
Many forges in Long Quan are jealous of others success. They should really just try to make better swords. :)
Alveprins 4 years ago
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japanese sowds (real traditianaly made)and hand made by japanese swordsmith are the best, and cost up to 4,280 dollars!!!!!!!so take that china and korea!!!!!
Bladed0edge0razor 4 years ago
lol, no everyone like katana, a lot, I mean seriously a lot of chinese people are into Jian and dao, hand forged hang patterned Jian starts at a price of 2000 US dollars in places like LongQuan. With the chinese cost of living at 10 times lower than that of Japan, and labor work cost 10 time less. you are looking at something that you cant even compare.
jimmyjamesWang 4 years ago
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o wait im sorry i got it wrong 4,280 are for the crappy katanas , its actually 19,000 for a real good katana......so be quiet...
Bladed0edge0razor 4 years ago
WTF? You know shit about swords if you believe that a good katana costs 19000 Dollars. You cant say that Japanese swords are best because its not true. Did you know that the katana style was originally Chinese in the Tang Dynasty and this is where the Japanese got their great swordsmithing from. So how about you be quiet because you have no idea what your talking about. Xie Xie 4 the Vid!
jawsykilla 4 years ago 14
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wtf???shut up!!!!i have seen it and they do cost that much...and you make me lauch the katana style was not originally from china the folding was you idiot so it is you who knows nothing....but even though those chinese swords are still not as strong or sharp as the japanese katana....explain why????
Bladed0edge0razor 4 years ago
No, the design, the technique, which includes folding, differentially hardening, and polishing and just about everything else was spread through cultural diffusion. I don't see how a Katana would be soo much more stronger if the way that it is made just about mirrors that of its predecessors.
woodhobo 4 years ago
Oh, if you want proof of strength and cutting ability (from a real Chinese sword not a wushu toy you see in movies) just comment back and i will reccomend some good cutting videos for you.
woodhobo 4 years ago
Dont make me laugh Bladed0edge0dickface, stop thinking you know everything about katana's and japanese swords. Just accept the fact that a lot of japanese things were originally chinese. Its a fact. This doesn't make japanese worse by all means. It just means that the swordsmithing and style were taken from the chinese. end of.
jawsykilla 3 years ago 20
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whatever man...whatever...go to comunist china i dont care...i think they will like you there alot:)
Bladed0edge0razor 3 years ago
Jawsy is right. In fact, a lot of times the newer versions of things are better.
Example: pizza. Americans took it from the Italians and made it a WHOLE lot better.
I personally believe Katanas aren't any sharper than the Jians or Broadswords, but the use of two hands instead of one makes them more powerful.
WebiKun 3 years ago
you must also take into the account of the power because doesnt mean a better sword, a master with a jian will aim for your weakpoints eg arteries in your wrists and armpits etc. Just because it is two handed doesnt make it better!
jawsykilla 3 years ago
Your analogy is not appropriate. American pizza = pure shit. supersized heart attack slop is what it is. Have you ever tasted authentic italian pizza. I think not.
neelantra 3 years ago
Never said katanas were "better"
WebiKun 3 years ago
i know i was just merely stating before take it the wrong way.
jawsykilla 3 years ago
@jawsykilla katana was not from dynasty tang, old katana was evolved from sword of this dynasty but katana in and after age edo was really differently.
koka270 1 year ago
From what i heard, a Japanese filming company was offering to give 100,000 dollars to film a Chinese swordsmith forge one of his Jian, and that he was offered 400,000 dollars for his prized work? (of course he turned them all down).
woodhobo 4 years ago
>the chinese cost of living at 10 times lower
>than that of Japan
There was an eight-month-old economic newspaper article which said prices of Chinese convenience store have already reached above half of Japan, NOT 10 times lower (You are a liar!), though the average salary of Chinese city dwellers is still one tenth as much as Japan's.
rhythm465 3 years ago
how the hell can he do that!!!???
noesomhelst 4 years ago
wow nice good work!!!!!
majstorsteve 4 years ago