1. Replace the uplevel-Trafo in Stans diagram by an Oilheater trafo, or welding trafo!
2. The high Voltage will cause the Condensator like setup of the tubes to collapse causing a spark.
3. The 2 coils around the condensator cause the system to swing at resonance. Ie. the spark in the tube is swinging with a freq causing noise at a multiply freq.of the tubes. Select a setup causing between 1 and 2 Mhz!
4. Tune the snd tunable coil to see max effects. Et voila. But Dangerous!
Like the piano. He used pipes though. Cb Eb and Gb (Bchord) gave him the best results. He didn't use electricity. Don't know which octave. Did you notice that when you hold c and f and trigger the c you will hear another c in a higher octave? Did you notice that when you select C F in a higher octave the amount of octaves between the C you trigger and the other C you hear becomes bigger in numbers? I think that's how Keely managed to trigger frequencies far beyond hearing on/in his sphere.
Stan meyer used this gain to optimize his electrolyse process in terms of power use. The electrolytifiers as the condensator.
However doing this the regular way there is a phase shift of 90 deg from the freq.generator to the resonating circle. And another shift back. So the freq.generator must be stabilised. That's where you loose the gains again. Stan used a transformer with one open end to get shifts of 180 degs to equal out this problem.
Means now you just need a tiny bit of energy in your frequency generator at resonance frequency of your Circuit (not Water) to electrolitify the water.
This is the way to go.
Otherwise ask an old Radio Amateur to help you by borrowing his amplifier to tune up some welding piezo's (cheap) at 40Khz and 1000W. Place them face to face in a glass of water and see what happens. Wear a mask! And use ear protection. You may not hear it, but it can cause damage!
Hmmm. I have to correct a few things. The guys from svpvril showed that the keelies magical mistery machine did not work based on helmholtz resonators (but they can be found on some of his spheres (which used 8 harmonic resonators, not 6)) But that the bulbs were Valves and a low Hz waterwave generator acting as a pump. The High frequencies were generated by water hamer effect of quick closing valves. Hmm. Interesting! (And electrolitifiers are called electrodes. Sorry:-) ) End of Monologue! :-)
I've seen the cleaners used here on YouTube and they do produce an effect on the size of the bubbles and also make a cloudy solution more clear. Not sure if this actually helps production though. Lieberman I think you are right, must get a bigger amplifier to produce any real results worth noting. How would you set up the transducer(s)? Keeley used a standing wave by putting the transducer in the pipe with water inside. He sealed off the transducer so it wouldnt get wet.
Keeley used the sphere to produce the standing waves inside. He had six transducers placed on the outside, and one in the inside middle. The harmony waves of the outside made the insides swing back and create standing waves inside. With piezo resonators one can do the same, except one has to feed the inside one with electricity like the 6 outer ones. He also did not use one frequency but 3 (a harmony) to be able to create a full spectrum to increase the chance to hit the right one.
In Keelys magic mistery machine he changed the way of using standing waves and uses Holtzmann spheres that produce standing waves only in the lower opening. The sphere itself is the transducer. When water hits the standing wave it will vaporise immediately and create a pressure so the system works as a pump.
Interesting is though that his Holtzman spheres are too big to produce 42.8KhZ. So propably he used them to drive a resonant system at a harmonic multiply of the generated frequency.
With your version with the open pipe I am not sure it is really standing. But moving freely with a vertically direction.
Could be that it does the trick as well.
There was a posting on the internet where a guy used a quarz tube. He was succesfull with 700W.
Could be though that the swinging of the quarz had an essential meaning. Don't know. It needs a lot of experimenting before finding the right solution. Keeley blew a million dollars before he found the right setup.
I too have thought of the piezotransducers to add to the mix. They are used in ultrasound cleaning in a aqueous solution. So I guess the idea is the sound waves weaken the bond and the electricity finishes the job. So ultrasonics plus electricity. How would you set up an efficient circuit?
Hmm. Don't know if that's correct. To electrolytify vaporised water sounds more difficult. The piezo resonator should do all of the job.
The problem is the amplifier. You need a strong one with a high signal to noise ratio. Rhode and Schwarz produce these things. If you are very lucky an old second hand would set you back just 2000 dollars.
Cleaners are not strong enough. No standing waves either. The object in water is swinging and effects shows at objects only.
Though it could be worth a try since cleaners are not expensive, to see what happens. I would put two metal plates face to face with a small split in your cleaner connected to the battery and compare the bubles.
Not sure if the result would be satisfying. But there is a slight chance. And the experiment would be easy and cheap. Oh yes. You should modify the cleaner to be able to change the frequency to optimum.
The resonance frequency of water (42.8 kHz) is based on mechanical STANDING waves in the water.
No mechanical standing waves are produced by sending some electrons in the water at some frequency. I cannot think of a buble generator generating bubles that result in a mechanical standing wave of 42.8kHz.
That's why these experiments do not work. Try 2 piezo sounders placed face to face tuned at 42.8kHz and loud enough!
Aside from what people call resonance, I was told that the tubes are to be suspended by a string then rung like a bell then the outer tube is cut with a deep or shallow slit until it is 'tuned' to the inner tube. Now I have a question about resonance, does that mean the breakdown frequency of water @42 kHz and the tubes resonate at 42 kHz as well? I dont understand resonance in electronic circuits only on a musical instrument.
Stick to the musical sounds. There is the answer. I doubt the tubes produce a mechanical standing wave.
However, what one will propably notice in this experiment is the disruption and recombining of
H2 Molecules (not H2O). From MAHG findings, H2 can be disrupted using electrons fired with a certain pulsed signal. They recombine quickly, but by doing so produce a lot of heat. (Not Bubles! ;-) )
you mean the cuts in the tubes changed the way the tube responds to the pulses. resonance requires less current and greater production. changing the duty cycle is not the frequency.
Interesting video, you're definately ahead of my partner and I on this. Good luck!! One or more of us out here is going to make this work. (Keep the music, dude, I liked it.)
I think the Stanley Meyers experiment was to tune the tubes and the 20,000 cyc/min frequency to Middle C. That would make the tubes 12.75 inches at half inch Diameter. The 20,000 cycles is 76 times the frequency of middle C using 273.5 hz. as the base for Middle C. Although there are 7 notes in a scale, I would use 8 pairs of tubes. If a voice can shatter glass at400 hz., then this should shatter water w/ a little charge.half an amp. Try it.
1) get rid of the music. 2) you are not hitting EM or longitudinal resonance so your video video is misleading. Those who are interested in HHO splitting must understand, you MUST use a specially wrapped toroid to utilize longitudinal waves. Any thing NOT using this is a waste of time and energy and the public will dismiss the entire notion of a useful hho device. Do your homework and stop mislabeling things. Google bob boyce or stan meyers for info on the scalar wave devices.
Well scalar waves are everywere in the universe you don't need a toroid transformer to generate them. See Tesla Patents please. If you know what is resonance you would not say this things. Resonance occurs in almost every electronic device (Radios, TV,s PC,s and so on). Anyway thanks for your time and enjoy your life
I haven't given my opinion on whether or not I like the video. The toroid I recommend is the simplest means that I believe scalar waves can be created via the Ahranov-Bohm effect. Some of what Tesla did just isn't feasible for the garage tinkerer. The video producer has stated he meant acoustic resonance so his title is misleading because people expected to see EM res. Scalar waves are what S. Meyers produced w/ his own VIC.
I haven't been able to experiment with frequency yet, but from what I've read from others, they adjust the frequency while the generator is running to find the "sweet spot". Once again I don't know from experiance, but it is supposed to rotate around 40 to 48 kilohertz.
The video is a bit lame, because it explains nothing. The Creed song is ok but would rather hear someone explain exactly what is going on . Please explain the issue of resonance.
This resonant frequency will not provide any benefit to splitting water. What you want is a resonant longitudinal wave(scalar) setup then you will be in business. Google bob boyce or join the yahoo "hydroxy" group for details on how to properly create a toroidal coil for use in conjunction w/ a PWM to hit RESONANCE w/ LONGITUDINAL waves. Boys we're about to bring Tesla's most important discoveries to the masses. Be excited =) !!
Wrong answer, look closely at the bubles emerging from the tube on the left, They are obviousely more plentiful, but I do agree with you about the longitudinal wave guide. That is what is in Stan Meyer's tech brief. Energy from the vacuum is what is really doing the work to crack the water. Good work.
from what i just read on hydrogengarage the PWM is not increase the amount of gas output ... but it does make the gas more powerful by "up to 3x" not sure tho. it is handy to have a PWM on hand to regulate the gas tho. it is very helpful... spread the knowledge!!!
What you are referring to is the diff. forms hydrogen can take. Monoatomic (most power), and diatomic(H2). Bottom line. Join the yahoo group "hydroxy" to learn about the toroidal coil which utilizes the Ahranov-Bohm effect to tap the uncurled energy vector (scalar waves). Print out hard copies of info you DL on how to build it in case the globalists/bankers intiate top down control of the electric grid. Spread the info far and wide. The cat's outta the bag!
How do you know you are at resonance? I see no inductor in your circuit and you current is way to high to achieve resonance. If you were at resonance, your current would be very low/under 1 amp. You need inductacne and capacitance to achieve resonance. The cap is you cell. If you measure the capacitance in solution, pick a freq and calcualte the inductance in parallel you need to achieve resonance.
I am sorry, but i don't know if anyone sells the complete meyer circuit, however, i suggest you to try to build the pulse system, it is very simple trust me, i say this because buying a pulse system from someone will be quite expensive cause it takes a few hours to make it.
Only tap water, thanks for the nice comment but i am far away from meyers results. Gotta build a Vic System to pump in the cell 1Kv, and that's my goal.
And this amazes me as no one else seems to have been able to duplicate Stanley Meyers invention but here it is, huh. Good work man!!! Are you using nothing but distilled water and no electrolyte?
He is no where near Stanley Meyers results, from what I read, only 3 in the world have duplicated those kind of results. But it never hurts to try! ;) Good job! Keep up the work!
Well what I was talking about was the use of his PWM as everyone I know of have just about gave up on the idea. I still think it is viable and this shows it is.
This is it!
1. Replace the uplevel-Trafo in Stans diagram by an Oilheater trafo, or welding trafo!
2. The high Voltage will cause the Condensator like setup of the tubes to collapse causing a spark.
3. The 2 coils around the condensator cause the system to swing at resonance. Ie. the spark in the tube is swinging with a freq causing noise at a multiply freq.of the tubes. Select a setup causing between 1 and 2 Mhz!
4. Tune the snd tunable coil to see max effects. Et voila. But Dangerous!
lieberman70 2 years ago
if you encase the electrodes in a thin layer of glass then they wont corrode
evolivid 2 years ago
Lieberman, You mean like a chord on a guitar or piano? Also, what kind of voltage , frequency, amps?
dmgcat 2 years ago
Like the piano. He used pipes though. Cb Eb and Gb (Bchord) gave him the best results. He didn't use electricity. Don't know which octave. Did you notice that when you hold c and f and trigger the c you will hear another c in a higher octave? Did you notice that when you select C F in a higher octave the amount of octaves between the C you trigger and the other C you hear becomes bigger in numbers? I think that's how Keely managed to trigger frequencies far beyond hearing on/in his sphere.
lieberman70 2 years ago
To be honoust. To investigate this I think will cost too much.
There is another interesting path to go. Stan meyer's electrolyse Process.
His secret is not in the water. Or how to use resonance in water to optimize the electrolyse.
His secret is in the set up of the circuit.
Did you ever drive a pendulum? The movements in your hand (the driver) are far less then that of the pendulum.
Connect a condensator and a coil in series. Drive it in resonance and measure the voltage over thecoil
lieberman70 2 years ago
The Voltage will be around 4 times higher!
Stan meyer used this gain to optimize his electrolyse process in terms of power use. The electrolytifiers as the condensator.
However doing this the regular way there is a phase shift of 90 deg from the freq.generator to the resonating circle. And another shift back. So the freq.generator must be stabilised. That's where you loose the gains again. Stan used a transformer with one open end to get shifts of 180 degs to equal out this problem.
lieberman70 2 years ago
Means now you just need a tiny bit of energy in your frequency generator at resonance frequency of your Circuit (not Water) to electrolitify the water.
This is the way to go.
Otherwise ask an old Radio Amateur to help you by borrowing his amplifier to tune up some welding piezo's (cheap) at 40Khz and 1000W. Place them face to face in a glass of water and see what happens. Wear a mask! And use ear protection. You may not hear it, but it can cause damage!
lieberman70 2 years ago
Hmmm. I have to correct a few things. The guys from svpvril showed that the keelies magical mistery machine did not work based on helmholtz resonators (but they can be found on some of his spheres (which used 8 harmonic resonators, not 6)) But that the bulbs were Valves and a low Hz waterwave generator acting as a pump. The High frequencies were generated by water hamer effect of quick closing valves. Hmm. Interesting! (And electrolitifiers are called electrodes. Sorry:-) ) End of Monologue! :-)
lieberman70 2 years ago
I've seen the cleaners used here on YouTube and they do produce an effect on the size of the bubbles and also make a cloudy solution more clear. Not sure if this actually helps production though. Lieberman I think you are right, must get a bigger amplifier to produce any real results worth noting. How would you set up the transducer(s)? Keeley used a standing wave by putting the transducer in the pipe with water inside. He sealed off the transducer so it wouldnt get wet.
dmgcat 2 years ago
Keeley used the sphere to produce the standing waves inside. He had six transducers placed on the outside, and one in the inside middle. The harmony waves of the outside made the insides swing back and create standing waves inside. With piezo resonators one can do the same, except one has to feed the inside one with electricity like the 6 outer ones. He also did not use one frequency but 3 (a harmony) to be able to create a full spectrum to increase the chance to hit the right one.
lieberman70 2 years ago
In Keelys magic mistery machine he changed the way of using standing waves and uses Holtzmann spheres that produce standing waves only in the lower opening. The sphere itself is the transducer. When water hits the standing wave it will vaporise immediately and create a pressure so the system works as a pump.
Interesting is though that his Holtzman spheres are too big to produce 42.8KhZ. So propably he used them to drive a resonant system at a harmonic multiply of the generated frequency.
lieberman70 2 years ago
With your version with the open pipe I am not sure it is really standing. But moving freely with a vertically direction.
Could be that it does the trick as well.
There was a posting on the internet where a guy used a quarz tube. He was succesfull with 700W.
Could be though that the swinging of the quarz had an essential meaning. Don't know. It needs a lot of experimenting before finding the right solution. Keeley blew a million dollars before he found the right setup.
lieberman70 2 years ago
Sorry, I meant. Helmholtz Resonators. Not Holtzmann resonators.
lieberman70 2 years ago
I too have thought of the piezotransducers to add to the mix. They are used in ultrasound cleaning in a aqueous solution. So I guess the idea is the sound waves weaken the bond and the electricity finishes the job. So ultrasonics plus electricity. How would you set up an efficient circuit?
dmgcat 2 years ago
Hmm. Don't know if that's correct. To electrolytify vaporised water sounds more difficult. The piezo resonator should do all of the job.
The problem is the amplifier. You need a strong one with a high signal to noise ratio. Rhode and Schwarz produce these things. If you are very lucky an old second hand would set you back just 2000 dollars.
Cleaners are not strong enough. No standing waves either. The object in water is swinging and effects shows at objects only.
lieberman70 2 years ago
Though it could be worth a try since cleaners are not expensive, to see what happens. I would put two metal plates face to face with a small split in your cleaner connected to the battery and compare the bubles.
Not sure if the result would be satisfying. But there is a slight chance. And the experiment would be easy and cheap. Oh yes. You should modify the cleaner to be able to change the frequency to optimum.
lieberman70 2 years ago
The resonance frequency of water (42.8 kHz) is based on mechanical STANDING waves in the water.
No mechanical standing waves are produced by sending some electrons in the water at some frequency. I cannot think of a buble generator generating bubles that result in a mechanical standing wave of 42.8kHz.
That's why these experiments do not work. Try 2 piezo sounders placed face to face tuned at 42.8kHz and loud enough!
That should do the trick!
lieberman70 2 years ago
@francobizz
1) Cell in water has a mechanical resonance.
2) LC circuit hat its own resonance, where C is the Cell as capacitor.
You determine the resonance freq. of 1),
Then you choose the right inductance of your (bifilar) coil , so that the resonance freq. of 2) equals res. freq. of 1).
The short pulses of your pwm are tuned to the resonance frequency .
Am I right?
BhdRoussos 2 years ago
Aside from what people call resonance, I was told that the tubes are to be suspended by a string then rung like a bell then the outer tube is cut with a deep or shallow slit until it is 'tuned' to the inner tube. Now I have a question about resonance, does that mean the breakdown frequency of water @42 kHz and the tubes resonate at 42 kHz as well? I dont understand resonance in electronic circuits only on a musical instrument.
dmgcat 3 years ago
Stick to the musical sounds. There is the answer. I doubt the tubes produce a mechanical standing wave.
However, what one will propably notice in this experiment is the disruption and recombining of
H2 Molecules (not H2O). From MAHG findings, H2 can be disrupted using electrons fired with a certain pulsed signal. They recombine quickly, but by doing so produce a lot of heat. (Not Bubles! ;-) )
lieberman70 2 years ago
you mean the cuts in the tubes changed the way the tube responds to the pulses. resonance requires less current and greater production. changing the duty cycle is not the frequency.
john29302 3 years ago
I would like to see the same test and see volume readings. Looks Great tho!
rcfinatic 3 years ago
Can you send me the plans and info on all this?
drewmaster74 3 years ago
Can this system fit for a car,i mean hho for car? Did you tested it into the car?
wheriz 3 years ago
Interesting video, you're definately ahead of my partner and I on this. Good luck!! One or more of us out here is going to make this work. (Keep the music, dude, I liked it.)
RatkoUSA 3 years ago
Can you explain the benifit if any to the vertical slots in the top of the tubes is it just the outer tubes are both?
shogge0123 3 years ago
I think the Stanley Meyers experiment was to tune the tubes and the 20,000 cyc/min frequency to Middle C. That would make the tubes 12.75 inches at half inch Diameter. The 20,000 cycles is 76 times the frequency of middle C using 273.5 hz. as the base for Middle C. Although there are 7 notes in a scale, I would use 8 pairs of tubes. If a voice can shatter glass at400 hz., then this should shatter water w/ a little charge.half an amp. Try it.
Bankle 3 years ago 2
well done comparative --- the breaking glass by resonation
phoebus1966 3 years ago
1) get rid of the music. 2) you are not hitting EM or longitudinal resonance so your video video is misleading. Those who are interested in HHO splitting must understand, you MUST use a specially wrapped toroid to utilize longitudinal waves. Any thing NOT using this is a waste of time and energy and the public will dismiss the entire notion of a useful hho device. Do your homework and stop mislabeling things. Google bob boyce or stan meyers for info on the scalar wave devices.
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
Sorry if you don't like it but i do :-)
Well scalar waves are everywere in the universe you don't need a toroid transformer to generate them. See Tesla Patents please. If you know what is resonance you would not say this things. Resonance occurs in almost every electronic device (Radios, TV,s PC,s and so on). Anyway thanks for your time and enjoy your life
romeoexe89 3 years ago
I haven't given my opinion on whether or not I like the video. The toroid I recommend is the simplest means that I believe scalar waves can be created via the Ahranov-Bohm effect. Some of what Tesla did just isn't feasible for the garage tinkerer. The video producer has stated he meant acoustic resonance so his title is misleading because people expected to see EM res. Scalar waves are what S. Meyers produced w/ his own VIC.
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
Hi I just read the news on ABCnews Car runs on water!!!!! Drink Up: Car Runs on Water spread the news
mochiam 3 years ago
I haven't been able to experiment with frequency yet, but from what I've read from others, they adjust the frequency while the generator is running to find the "sweet spot". Once again I don't know from experiance, but it is supposed to rotate around 40 to 48 kilohertz.
passingtime38 3 years ago
The video is a bit lame, because it explains nothing. The Creed song is ok but would rather hear someone explain exactly what is going on . Please explain the issue of resonance.
Quantrill71 3 years ago
Buy a real video camera..
AlexanderA80 3 years ago
After that i just tuned the pwm frequency to the same of the tubes
and what you see in the video is the result.
I must say that the accuracy of the microphone and the software
aren't excellent but i tried.
Thank you and keep up your HHO projects.
Bye
francobizz 4 years ago
Just For Info: The resonance i am speaking about is the acoustic frequency of the tubes.
I explain, if you hit a suspended tube with a metallic object,
the tube will vibrate at its resonance frequecy.
TO measure the freq i hitted the tube near a microphone connected to a frequency scanner
software (Zelscope), and i got the frequency, then i did the same with the inner tube and
i cutted out a rectangular piece of tube to match frequencies.
francobizz 4 years ago
This resonant frequency will not provide any benefit to splitting water. What you want is a resonant longitudinal wave(scalar) setup then you will be in business. Google bob boyce or join the yahoo "hydroxy" group for details on how to properly create a toroidal coil for use in conjunction w/ a PWM to hit RESONANCE w/ LONGITUDINAL waves. Boys we're about to bring Tesla's most important discoveries to the masses. Be excited =) !!
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
Wrong answer, look closely at the bubles emerging from the tube on the left, They are obviousely more plentiful, but I do agree with you about the longitudinal wave guide. That is what is in Stan Meyer's tech brief. Energy from the vacuum is what is really doing the work to crack the water. Good work.
flipster12000 3 years ago
from what i just read on hydrogengarage the PWM is not increase the amount of gas output ... but it does make the gas more powerful by "up to 3x" not sure tho. it is handy to have a PWM on hand to regulate the gas tho. it is very helpful... spread the knowledge!!!
jgdpsingh 4 years ago
What you are referring to is the diff. forms hydrogen can take. Monoatomic (most power), and diatomic(H2). Bottom line. Join the yahoo group "hydroxy" to learn about the toroidal coil which utilizes the Ahranov-Bohm effect to tap the uncurled energy vector (scalar waves). Print out hard copies of info you DL on how to build it in case the globalists/bankers intiate top down control of the electric grid. Spread the info far and wide. The cat's outta the bag!
crackahcrackah 3 years ago 2
how did you know how far to cut the tube?
acoustic resonance-did you tune the large pipe to the small pipe by ear,or meter it,or guesswork?
m3sca1 4 years ago
How do you know you are at resonance? I see no inductor in your circuit and you current is way to high to achieve resonance. If you were at resonance, your current would be very low/under 1 amp. You need inductacne and capacitance to achieve resonance. The cap is you cell. If you measure the capacitance in solution, pick a freq and calcualte the inductance in parallel you need to achieve resonance.
valveman12 4 years ago
Yes, you are right, the resonance i am speaking about is the acoustic resonance and not the electric resonance.
francobizz 4 years ago
do u know where i can buy Stan Meyer pulse generator?
i can build the fuelcell but i'm familiar with electric circuit.
dreamyear 4 years ago
I am sorry, but i don't know if anyone sells the complete meyer circuit, however, i suggest you to try to build the pulse system, it is very simple trust me, i say this because buying a pulse system from someone will be quite expensive cause it takes a few hours to make it.
Bye
francobizz 4 years ago
creeds only good cd imho =)
jout8 4 years ago
You need to get the tubes off the bottom by about 1 to 2 inchs
h2otohydrogen 4 years ago
Thanks for the tip i will do it
francobizz 4 years ago
I saw your video yesterday, your cell is very interesting, Keep up the nice work
francobizz 4 years ago
Approx 8Volts and 4-5 Amps
francobizz 4 years ago
Only tap water, thanks for the nice comment but i am far away from meyers results. Gotta build a Vic System to pump in the cell 1Kv, and that's my goal.
Stay tuned
francobizz 4 years ago
What is your voltage and amperage?
nasanction 4 years ago
And this amazes me as no one else seems to have been able to duplicate Stanley Meyers invention but here it is, huh. Good work man!!! Are you using nothing but distilled water and no electrolyte?
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
He is no where near Stanley Meyers results, from what I read, only 3 in the world have duplicated those kind of results. But it never hurts to try! ;) Good job! Keep up the work!
nasanction 4 years ago
Yes you are right, but i am getting closer and soon i will upload a vid, so everyone can make it and finally change the WORLD :-)
francobizz 4 years ago
Well what I was talking about was the use of his PWM as everyone I know of have just about gave up on the idea. I still think it is viable and this shows it is.
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
3329.89Hz with ZELSCOPE, I cutted the tubes to make them resonate at that frequency, and then applied the same frequency with the PWM.
I am sure that the frequency aren't right because i don't have an oscilloscope, so they might be faulty, but they are the same.
Thanks
francobizz 4 years ago
what is the spacing between ur tube and what freq. is that? thank you
intwes 4 years ago