It all boils down to the teachers' unions wanting to keep their monopoly. If they are doing such a great job than they have nothing to fear from a voucher system.
I can't speak for every school in America, but school I went to despite what Albert says would expel a students who lacked self control after so many warnings, just as I would assume most in the country would
Those guys that were in opposition are near-sighted nontrapenures they kept harping on the "what about the problem children". First, since when are kids not expelled from public schools. Second, where they see "problem children" I see opportunity if it was indeed a problem I'd create a school that catered exclusively to children with behavioral problems or learning disabilities. Obviously when you show results you'll grab all the kids with "problems" in the area's market. Everyone benifits.
Having been born in 1980 when Milton Friedman's ideas were made widely public, I am very disappointed in my preceding generation. There is no one that can argue with the undeniable brilliance of Friedman's ideas and yet here we are 30 freakin' years later and very few of them have been implemented. What the hell? To those born pre-1960: you have failed us all by not taking action when action should have been taken. May my children be more impressed with my legacy.
The point is, someone in the private sector will teach even the troubled kids, as long as their parents pay for the education.
There are going to be elite service providers that either price out unwanted individuals or reject them, but it doesn't mean that someone else won't provide a similar service as long as customers pay.
Is it possible then that a troubled kid wont learn because he doesn't want to? Yes. But it's already happening in public schools right now too.
8:00 - This guy is an idiot. This rocket scientist is invoking an analogy that voucher/private schools "throw out" the undesireables is akin to a hospital throwing out all the sick people. IF A HOSPITAL THROWS OUT ALL THE SICK THE PLACE WOULD BE EMPTY!!!!! That's what a hospital does is take care of sick people.
Also, why should my kid have to take a lower quality education experience because some trouble maker can;t keep their ass in the seat and their mouth shut.
you have to make fine distinction between moron like bill o reilly pointing finger and harmless creatures like friedman , bill clearly trying to intimidate other guys
Note that Milton Friedman is the only one who constantly points and wags his finger at everyone he speaks to. Bill O'reilly does the same thing. It's insulting, and a way of bullying your opponent. I'm always suspicious of the arguments of anyone who does that, because they are relying on intimidation to convey their message. People who are genuinely interested in the truth, rather than just winning the debate, generally, in my experience, don't do that.
It is somewhat frustrating seeing so many small minds attempting to debate Dr. Friedman. It's almost as if these people refuse to listen. To His credit Dr. Friedman handles them with a certain amount of class and dignity that is exceptional for a man with his intellect.
that anrig fellow was by far the most reasonable opponent and had some good questions. is there anything in america that has been so broken, for so long, with so little attention to fixing it?
Irony of ironies, this kind of public education program was never shown to me when I went to public school. Imagine that? (wink, wink).
We managed to watch the OJ trial though in 1995. That was "newsworthy", lol. Talk about mixed up priorities. I don't think I heard Milton Friedman's name mentioned once during highschool.
WHY CANT THE NEWS HAVE REASONABLE DEBATES LIKE THIS MORE?!?!?
im so sick of "hurr durr" matches on CNN and FOX that allow neither side to get to a point or explore a topic. and leaves viewers just as ignorant as before they watched it.
Milton Freidman appears to contradict himself here. He argues that the cost of education should be linked to income post-graduation, but then lurches into an anaology about people going into business and accepting the risk inherent in doing so. However, what if the education does nothing to enhance a graduate's income throughout their lifetime? Does this mean that they are absolved from retrospectively paying for the education? Failed businessmen must assume financial responsibility for any fai-
ed enterprise. Is he suggesting that unlike businessmen who must accept financial responsibility when an investment or idea fails, that graduates only make contributions to the cost of their education where their income has been enhanced by it?
@gwangjuboy1 The other guy proposed the income gauge, actually. Milton - I think - agreed to a degree that it was certainly a better system than what we presently have. Then he went on to address a fallacy in someone else's statement. Nothing was contradicted. This is a debate and so many ideas are brought up and shared.
Capitalism either Private/ Corporate or State dominated is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated world Market System of artificial scarcity to perpetuate the conditions of the wage-slavery of immense humanity in the interest of the Ruling/Owning class. 3 billion workers earn around 2 dollars a day and 250 top Corporations control 1/3 of the world GDP. Capitalism is the abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing misery of humanity.
@arzoyan Capitalism is the abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing misery of humanity.
Funny you say that since the record of history shows the most people pulled out of poverty and suffering was done under Freedom and Capitalism. You speak without facts or reality. How many people are suffering and dirt poor under places with Capitalism compared with other systems?
@TheGeneralOfWar A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
@TheGeneralOfWar Utter rubbish. I was born and educated in Australia, moved to Japan and have recently relocated to China. Believe me when I say that poverty is front and centre in China, less common in Australia and Japan.
The Chinese run on greed - individually and as a nation just as capitalism does. The difference is we have choices in how we as individuals manage our lives the Chinese don't.
@coturnix19 no, it makes "useful stuff" easier to explain in depth. you see some of us learn things that need a more comprehensive language so that they can be explained without having to use 5 words to say something that could be broken down into one. like using "economics" rather than "where all the money goes". do you understand? and by the way, kurt kobain was a idiot. i'm wondering whether he was trying to get high with that shotgun.
where the pudgy guy is fundamentally wrong, is that when it comes to providing a service things are pretty black and white. You take the service, you pay for it.
what they oppose is people having the right to say you really have no clue what the hell you're talking about, picking up their kid and moving them to a different place. Because they know they are horrible at what they do and would no longer be working once it happens.
The problem here is Milton wants to say what every Libertarian knows to be true but which the mainstream debaters would abhor: Compelling children to go to school is wrong, if you can't find a school that is acceptable to both the teacher and the student, then why should force be involved?
Stop robbing me(taxes) to set up glorified day cares, if kids want to learn then they don't need to be compelled, if you have to force them to pay attention, they will learn to hate education.
Can you imagine a thought provoking show like this on American TV in today's times? These people are actually speaking intelligently about issues...without sound bites and political BS...someone would have to tell these guys they are not mentioning RUSH or IRAQ or NIKE sneakers
One factor that I find most disturbing is that we don't create intelligent programs like this on the airwaves.
The majority of Americans are far more concerned with commerial doctrines than they are with education. I wonder who's at fault... centralized education.
If the government allows schools to charge, and thereby create an environemnt of harder working students with better facilities, then the government allows the development of a two-tier system. Either schools should all be rendered as equal or possible OR they should accept inequality, be selective and select on merit, not income, just as with universities, where it costs roughly the same to go to Cambridge or Thames Valley university: but the better students mostly go to better universities.
Knowledge and 'education' are not the same thing. "Intelligent people know when they are not educated, but educated people don't know when they are not intelligent" The problem with 'over intellectualized' people, they think like computers, either or....they don't understand 'gradients' or spectrums of truth, or quantum probablities...everything is either black or white. This is not the path to 'truth'!!!
The truly sorry aspect of this is that only 9800 or so have watched this! MF is gone, and this is the best way to learn from him. Forward this series to anyone you know with a brain, unfortunately, public schools are doing their best to drive down that population!
public school is the biggest waste of money in the world. my parents moved me to the best school district in my area (SF Bay), i ended up dropping out of high school (smartest thing i ever did) and passed my CHSPE with my eyes closed. Everything i needed to get a high school diploma i could have crammed into 6 months - not 12 years. If i could do it all over again, i would have dropped out when i was in first grade, and just hung out and played baseball and chased girls, then pass at age 18.
you've missed out on many eye-opening and thought provoking conversations with your teachers and fellow students about...ehhh, street car named desire, or death of a salesman
If people are allowed vouchers kids with "problems" would do great. Why?? because schools will pop up that cater specifically for their needs. But why do bureaucrats hate this idea? Because that means kids with special needs will be separated from everyone else. I went to a school that had at most 2 "special" needs kids per grade. They had rules that only applied to them, and even got a special teacher. How much money did this waste, when other better options could have been taken?
Privatization would increase the value of a high school education. Socialising it devalues it, because it is just the crap in the bottom of the barrel. Private schools open up a market of competition, for learning and teaching. This competition gives the diploma more value. With private education, college may not be as necessary for success.
Thank you for uploading this series of videos. It was very interesting to learn about a subject on which I am wholly ignorant. The internet is a wonderfully rich source of information.
Friedman can counter shanker. There's no way a nit wit like Friedman can hold his own against someone so well prepared and who served jail time for his beliefs like Shanker did.
In most European countries, students have the choice of what school they want to go to in a public system. Private schools are where rich fuckups and kids with real problems go. Friedman is full of shit.
You obviously didn't understand what Friedman was saying. There is no reason the government should RUN, not FUND the public education system in this country. They've been doing it for many decades, and our schools are some of the worst. The money is kept amongst the teachers unions(Shanker and his cronies) at the expense of the students. All Friedman is advocating is to, like he said: "Put up or shut up." Introduce market forces into the school system, and let them compete for quality.
The problem with your reasoning is that there are many great minds and workers that are not, or see no need to be competitive. Competition breeds waste. Businesses are run to gain a return. With schools there is no return, it is the function of school to prepare youths for the work force.
"it is the function of school to prepare youths for the work force."
It is also too learn about life!Children are not just broodmare's for the state that we crank out of a meat grinder, you communist fuck! "Competition breeds waste"
Everything you own is a product of competition in the free market place. What breeds waist are government monopolies with no profit motive.With a voucher system, the schools would compete for profit, thus improving there capabilities to attract more students.
Oooooooooh! How about some savory Govt' sponsored free range public housing shlong!?!?!? You must, of course, be growing a distaste for the G.M. industry market wang.
A free market system doesn't, by its definition, only include competitive profit seeking individuals. The great minds, like say Einstein and Newton weren't competing for profit but were rather fulfilling a different form of self interest. Under a free market, individuals with similar ends in mind are free to fulfill self interest. Within your flawed reasoning, the notion that great minds are, at times, not competitive leads to government intervention in the market.I dont understand the logic.
There is nothing wrong with fulfilling self interest until those interests lead to damaging effect to others. This is clear cut in cases like Donald Trump who creates homelessness by paths cleared for his luxury towers, debatable in the case of WalMart were small business were destroyed to provide discount prices for the people, very dubious, however, when discussing education. A child should get the same schooling regardless of where they live. This can only be achieved by standards.
First, the pursuit of self interest in the market usually amounts to the fulfillment of consumer demand (self interest resulting in overall public benefit)---I would have to look into that case--describe it further for me-- Also, remember that the pursuit of self interest in government leads to a more damaging effect because it isn't responding to consumer demand but rather the Power motive(what ever that may amount to-usually not benficial to public-Also, standards often arise out of the market
One should be void of fulfilling self interest in public office. Having said that, one should be void of greed when trying to make a profit, even Friedman and Weber stated that. However, we both know that what one should do is rarely the case. It is easier to point the blame at one big Gov't than at many private entities that can hide and relinquish responsibilities to others, as is being done now.
Once again, in the untouched private sector, the fulfillment of greed for the greedy individual occurs by fulfilling consumer demand. As of now, mainstream media and political officials are attributing the crisis to the free market, when, in actuality, the market hasn't been free, but rather, increasingly tampered with.
Also, one couldn't reasonably hand coercive power over to a group of individuals and expect them to be void of fulfilling self interest. Humans fulfill self interest. No one is immune to self interest. Government officials certainly aren't. And we can't rid anyone of self interest. What we can do is rely on the pursuit of self interest as a social mechanism that enhances the public good. Freedom is the underlying fundamental principal at work here.
These wankers are a prime example of what is wrong in America, and believe it or not there are a large # of people in favor of more govt. control. What's really sad is this same argument is still going on (voucher system), meanwhile our test scores continue to plummet as we turn out generations of ignoramuses!
Public schools can't tell a parent their child is tough? Does anyone actually believe this bullshit? How can the gov't as big as it currently is be insecure about anything?
not with these kinds of people running them. These people are fighting to keep their jobs, because they know they would not be worth anything in the market place.
Milton kicked these guys asses. Their argument was basically, because their are 10/100 "tough kids" in a lousy school, the other 90 have to stay in that lousy school. They had absolutely no response when he mentioned real costs are going up and quality is going down. I live in NY and a gym teacher makes as much as a Math Teacher. They also are required to have a graduate degree. Is this not absurd? Is this really defensible?
public education beaurocracy needs to give way to free market thinkers, too many socialists spoil the broth. in australia our high school systems are going to be thrown laptops as a quick fix. central planning never works
Oh what a pain that we didn't get to hear what Milton's reply was at the end there. Whenever he got to reply he completely destroyed the other persons point if it was no good.
In fact, the guy talking around 2:30 was admitting in a way what Friedman said about the poor paying for the rich and what made it even more painful for him, he said he was happy about it. :')
Wow, Milton creamed them...and their only defense, ultimately (boiling this down here) is an appeal to emotion....my gosh.
The more and more and more I study economics, the more and more I see that the truly Free Market is the only system that can reduce poverty, produce a upstanding moral citizen, and create nearly limitless jobs in the marketplace...all at the expense of whom? no one
You anti milton dudes must be associated with public schooling. Milton and the other guy kick ass. They were cheerful and knowledgeable while those other losers were all sour,gloomy and biased.
"Milton did pretty well,.... he did pretty well" I think you wanted to say. Did you attend a private school perhaps? Your phrase could be correct by adding the use of the work "Fuck".. ... as in " Milton did pretty fuckin' good if you ask me" This would legitimize your prior mistake.
John Coons is the only who makes valid points, besides Milton Friedman obviously
nrekk 1 month ago
you do not have news like this anymore
it is sad
DelmarBos 4 months ago
I would love to hear Milton now days talking about the cost of tuition, it's a nightmare.
jamschnitter 6 months ago
It all boils down to the teachers' unions wanting to keep their monopoly. If they are doing such a great job than they have nothing to fear from a voucher system.
kurthanson2005 6 months ago
I can't speak for every school in America, but school I went to despite what Albert says would expel a students who lacked self control after so many warnings, just as I would assume most in the country would
sintruder 7 months ago
Those guys that were in opposition are near-sighted nontrapenures they kept harping on the "what about the problem children". First, since when are kids not expelled from public schools. Second, where they see "problem children" I see opportunity if it was indeed a problem I'd create a school that catered exclusively to children with behavioral problems or learning disabilities. Obviously when you show results you'll grab all the kids with "problems" in the area's market. Everyone benifits.
Berelore 9 months ago
Having been born in 1980 when Milton Friedman's ideas were made widely public, I am very disappointed in my preceding generation. There is no one that can argue with the undeniable brilliance of Friedman's ideas and yet here we are 30 freakin' years later and very few of them have been implemented. What the hell? To those born pre-1960: you have failed us all by not taking action when action should have been taken. May my children be more impressed with my legacy.
jbnwc 10 months ago
The point is, someone in the private sector will teach even the troubled kids, as long as their parents pay for the education.
There are going to be elite service providers that either price out unwanted individuals or reject them, but it doesn't mean that someone else won't provide a similar service as long as customers pay.
Is it possible then that a troubled kid wont learn because he doesn't want to? Yes. But it's already happening in public schools right now too.
Loomr 10 months ago 2
2:14 owned by milton face
PianoForteAndrew 11 months ago 3
It's 10 v 1 but Friedman still won
tjohn1986 11 months ago 6
8:00 - This guy is an idiot. This rocket scientist is invoking an analogy that voucher/private schools "throw out" the undesireables is akin to a hospital throwing out all the sick people. IF A HOSPITAL THROWS OUT ALL THE SICK THE PLACE WOULD BE EMPTY!!!!! That's what a hospital does is take care of sick people.
Also, why should my kid have to take a lower quality education experience because some trouble maker can;t keep their ass in the seat and their mouth shut.
EchoMike03 1 year ago 8
you have to make fine distinction between moron like bill o reilly pointing finger and harmless creatures like friedman , bill clearly trying to intimidate other guys
kyotoloto 1 year ago
@ast45300
Your right!
Forget everything Friedman says.
He talks with his hands, therefore he must be wrong.
I hope you're not a teacher.
jstyx2 1 year ago 3
Note that Milton Friedman is the only one who constantly points and wags his finger at everyone he speaks to. Bill O'reilly does the same thing. It's insulting, and a way of bullying your opponent. I'm always suspicious of the arguments of anyone who does that, because they are relying on intimidation to convey their message. People who are genuinely interested in the truth, rather than just winning the debate, generally, in my experience, don't do that.
ast453000 1 year ago
It is somewhat frustrating seeing so many small minds attempting to debate Dr. Friedman. It's almost as if these people refuse to listen. To His credit Dr. Friedman handles them with a certain amount of class and dignity that is exceptional for a man with his intellect.
sillyD13 1 year ago
that anrig fellow was by far the most reasonable opponent and had some good questions. is there anything in america that has been so broken, for so long, with so little attention to fixing it?
wtube502 1 year ago 2
MIlton Friedman : Pwning fools for 94 years.
blitzkrieg234 1 year ago 3
milton's thinking is the thinking of the winners. unfortunately, not everybody is a winner in this society.
solidysnake1 1 year ago 2
Irony of ironies, this kind of public education program was never shown to me when I went to public school. Imagine that? (wink, wink).
We managed to watch the OJ trial though in 1995. That was "newsworthy", lol. Talk about mixed up priorities. I don't think I heard Milton Friedman's name mentioned once during highschool.
jb2134 1 year ago 3
WHY CANT THE NEWS HAVE REASONABLE DEBATES LIKE THIS MORE?!?!?
im so sick of "hurr durr" matches on CNN and FOX that allow neither side to get to a point or explore a topic. and leaves viewers just as ignorant as before they watched it.
shinkengatsxa 1 year ago
Milton Freidman appears to contradict himself here. He argues that the cost of education should be linked to income post-graduation, but then lurches into an anaology about people going into business and accepting the risk inherent in doing so. However, what if the education does nothing to enhance a graduate's income throughout their lifetime? Does this mean that they are absolved from retrospectively paying for the education? Failed businessmen must assume financial responsibility for any fai-
gwangjuboy1 1 year ago
ed enterprise. Is he suggesting that unlike businessmen who must accept financial responsibility when an investment or idea fails, that graduates only make contributions to the cost of their education where their income has been enhanced by it?
gwangjuboy1 1 year ago
@gwangjuboy1 The other guy proposed the income gauge, actually. Milton - I think - agreed to a degree that it was certainly a better system than what we presently have. Then he went on to address a fallacy in someone else's statement. Nothing was contradicted. This is a debate and so many ideas are brought up and shared.
YesIAmDwight 1 year ago
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Capitalism either Private/ Corporate or State dominated is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated world Market System of artificial scarcity to perpetuate the conditions of the wage-slavery of immense humanity in the interest of the Ruling/Owning class. 3 billion workers earn around 2 dollars a day and 250 top Corporations control 1/3 of the world GDP. Capitalism is the abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing misery of humanity.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan Capitalism is the abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing misery of humanity.
Funny you say that since the record of history shows the most people pulled out of poverty and suffering was done under Freedom and Capitalism. You speak without facts or reality. How many people are suffering and dirt poor under places with Capitalism compared with other systems?
TheGeneralOfWar 9 months ago
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@TheGeneralOfWar A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 9 months ago
@TheGeneralOfWar Utter rubbish. I was born and educated in Australia, moved to Japan and have recently relocated to China. Believe me when I say that poverty is front and centre in China, less common in Australia and Japan.
The Chinese run on greed - individually and as a nation just as capitalism does. The difference is we have choices in how we as individuals manage our lives the Chinese don't.
MrClassicist 7 months ago
@coturnix19 no, it makes "useful stuff" easier to explain in depth. you see some of us learn things that need a more comprehensive language so that they can be explained without having to use 5 words to say something that could be broken down into one. like using "economics" rather than "where all the money goes". do you understand? and by the way, kurt kobain was a idiot. i'm wondering whether he was trying to get high with that shotgun.
samm1809 1 year ago
That one guy is like a more coherent George W. Bush.
wheelzwheela 1 year ago
where the pudgy guy is fundamentally wrong, is that when it comes to providing a service things are pretty black and white. You take the service, you pay for it.
what they oppose is people having the right to say you really have no clue what the hell you're talking about, picking up their kid and moving them to a different place. Because they know they are horrible at what they do and would no longer be working once it happens.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
The problem here is Milton wants to say what every Libertarian knows to be true but which the mainstream debaters would abhor: Compelling children to go to school is wrong, if you can't find a school that is acceptable to both the teacher and the student, then why should force be involved?
Stop robbing me(taxes) to set up glorified day cares, if kids want to learn then they don't need to be compelled, if you have to force them to pay attention, they will learn to hate education.
Hashishin13 1 year ago 4
Milton Friedman is the man!
Jazzper79 2 years ago
Can you imagine a thought provoking show like this on American TV in today's times? These people are actually speaking intelligently about issues...without sound bites and political BS...someone would have to tell these guys they are not mentioning RUSH or IRAQ or NIKE sneakers
Chromatype 2 years ago 8
@Chromatype Now Jersey Shore is what people want to watch. Friedman then, Snookie now
fdny9682 2 years ago 2
One factor that I find most disturbing is that we don't create intelligent programs like this on the airwaves.
The majority of Americans are far more concerned with commerial doctrines than they are with education. I wonder who's at fault... centralized education.
1czelaya 2 years ago
4:00 what an idiot.
SuaveSavant 2 years ago
Why you say that?
RuggedLike 2 years ago
If the government allows schools to charge, and thereby create an environemnt of harder working students with better facilities, then the government allows the development of a two-tier system. Either schools should all be rendered as equal or possible OR they should accept inequality, be selective and select on merit, not income, just as with universities, where it costs roughly the same to go to Cambridge or Thames Valley university: but the better students mostly go to better universities.
Nintendomanwill 2 years ago
well put
RuggedLike 2 years ago
To this day the public school system is still broke. Lets try Miltons way.
SuperColeman88 2 years ago 49
@SuperColeman88 you are right, this video was made 30 years ago, and things have only gotten worse.
kurthanson2005 6 months ago
look at these fat cats. they dont want change.
we need free markets and competition in education.
hyylo 2 years ago 11
fntime 2 years ago
Is there a way to get a full, unedited, version of the discussion?
donotswallow 2 years ago
it's part of a series of 15 lectures by Milton Friedman. I think it's called free to choose, why don't you buy it?
Sivels 2 years ago
I heard it's like $300.
Talk about paying for what you value. Sheesh!
SuaveSavant 2 years ago
The truly sorry aspect of this is that only 9800 or so have watched this! MF is gone, and this is the best way to learn from him. Forward this series to anyone you know with a brain, unfortunately, public schools are doing their best to drive down that population!
buckeye1107 2 years ago 2
have you not listened to what the overeducated guy in glasses said
MustLovePoop 2 years ago
Ha.
modmastermind111 2 years ago
it appears that the schools are driving up that number
MustLovePoop 2 years ago
Publik Skool Suks.
tsallen10 2 years ago 12
I um a prodect af the amerikan public educatzion systme. can you tel?
kobain06 2 years ago 46
public school is the biggest waste of money in the world. my parents moved me to the best school district in my area (SF Bay), i ended up dropping out of high school (smartest thing i ever did) and passed my CHSPE with my eyes closed. Everything i needed to get a high school diploma i could have crammed into 6 months - not 12 years. If i could do it all over again, i would have dropped out when i was in first grade, and just hung out and played baseball and chased girls, then pass at age 18.
buzzadler 2 years ago 3
you've missed out on many eye-opening and thought provoking conversations with your teachers and fellow students about...ehhh, street car named desire, or death of a salesman
MustLovePoop 2 years ago
If people are allowed vouchers kids with "problems" would do great. Why?? because schools will pop up that cater specifically for their needs. But why do bureaucrats hate this idea? Because that means kids with special needs will be separated from everyone else. I went to a school that had at most 2 "special" needs kids per grade. They had rules that only applied to them, and even got a special teacher. How much money did this waste, when other better options could have been taken?
JollyW89 2 years ago 4
We need to clone Friedman and get his ass back to work. we're fucked without him.
uberschaller 2 years ago 11
Agreed.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago 5
Privatization would increase the value of a high school education. Socialising it devalues it, because it is just the crap in the bottom of the barrel. Private schools open up a market of competition, for learning and teaching. This competition gives the diploma more value. With private education, college may not be as necessary for success.
TheAdamTheory 2 years ago 5
Any school that values freedom should make this series available to their students.
truthadvocate 3 years ago 3
Eeh, they cut Milton off at the end.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago 3
Thank you for uploading this series of videos. It was very interesting to learn about a subject on which I am wholly ignorant. The internet is a wonderfully rich source of information.
keithguh 3 years ago 7
Friedman can counter shanker. There's no way a nit wit like Friedman can hold his own against someone so well prepared and who served jail time for his beliefs like Shanker did.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
I hope Shanker got shanked in prison. Repeatedly. In the asshole. Which is where he gets his facts from.
To call a nobel prize winning economist like Milton Friedman a "nit wit" makes you quite the dumb fuck.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
Henry Kissinger is also a Nobel Prize laureate. Not only is he a nit-wit, he is also a war criminal,.... as was Friedman by the way.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
Oh please. How was Milton Friedman a war criminal? His foreign policies aligned with Ron Paul's identically.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
"When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children." - Albert Shanker
amadeusyaoi 2 years ago 2
In most European countries, students have the choice of what school they want to go to in a public system. Private schools are where rich fuckups and kids with real problems go. Friedman is full of shit.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
You obviously didn't understand what Friedman was saying. There is no reason the government should RUN, not FUND the public education system in this country. They've been doing it for many decades, and our schools are some of the worst. The money is kept amongst the teachers unions(Shanker and his cronies) at the expense of the students. All Friedman is advocating is to, like he said: "Put up or shut up." Introduce market forces into the school system, and let them compete for quality.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago 2
The problem with your reasoning is that there are many great minds and workers that are not, or see no need to be competitive. Competition breeds waste. Businesses are run to gain a return. With schools there is no return, it is the function of school to prepare youths for the work force.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
"it is the function of school to prepare youths for the work force."
It is also too learn about life!Children are not just broodmare's for the state that we crank out of a meat grinder, you communist fuck! "Competition breeds waste"
Everything you own is a product of competition in the free market place. What breeds waist are government monopolies with no profit motive.With a voucher system, the schools would compete for profit, thus improving there capabilities to attract more students.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
Damn ! Your ranting is staring to drive me wild. Are you Gay?
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
I love the cock.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
Oooooooooh! How about some savory Govt' sponsored free range public housing shlong!?!?!? You must, of course, be growing a distaste for the G.M. industry market wang.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
TimeWarp66 is right. I think you've missed friedmans logic whether you agree with it on personal grounds or not.
RuggedLike 2 years ago
A free market system doesn't, by its definition, only include competitive profit seeking individuals. The great minds, like say Einstein and Newton weren't competing for profit but were rather fulfilling a different form of self interest. Under a free market, individuals with similar ends in mind are free to fulfill self interest. Within your flawed reasoning, the notion that great minds are, at times, not competitive leads to government intervention in the market.I dont understand the logic.
gilbretto1 3 years ago 2
There is nothing wrong with fulfilling self interest until those interests lead to damaging effect to others. This is clear cut in cases like Donald Trump who creates homelessness by paths cleared for his luxury towers, debatable in the case of WalMart were small business were destroyed to provide discount prices for the people, very dubious, however, when discussing education. A child should get the same schooling regardless of where they live. This can only be achieved by standards.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
First, the pursuit of self interest in the market usually amounts to the fulfillment of consumer demand (self interest resulting in overall public benefit)---I would have to look into that case--describe it further for me-- Also, remember that the pursuit of self interest in government leads to a more damaging effect because it isn't responding to consumer demand but rather the Power motive(what ever that may amount to-usually not benficial to public-Also, standards often arise out of the market
gilbretto1 3 years ago
One should be void of fulfilling self interest in public office. Having said that, one should be void of greed when trying to make a profit, even Friedman and Weber stated that. However, we both know that what one should do is rarely the case. It is easier to point the blame at one big Gov't than at many private entities that can hide and relinquish responsibilities to others, as is being done now.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
Once again, in the untouched private sector, the fulfillment of greed for the greedy individual occurs by fulfilling consumer demand. As of now, mainstream media and political officials are attributing the crisis to the free market, when, in actuality, the market hasn't been free, but rather, increasingly tampered with.
gilbretto1 3 years ago
Also, one couldn't reasonably hand coercive power over to a group of individuals and expect them to be void of fulfilling self interest. Humans fulfill self interest. No one is immune to self interest. Government officials certainly aren't. And we can't rid anyone of self interest. What we can do is rely on the pursuit of self interest as a social mechanism that enhances the public good. Freedom is the underlying fundamental principal at work here.
gilbretto1 3 years ago 2
These wankers are a prime example of what is wrong in America, and believe it or not there are a large # of people in favor of more govt. control. What's really sad is this same argument is still going on (voucher system), meanwhile our test scores continue to plummet as we turn out generations of ignoramuses!
JayKay62969 3 years ago 5
i love how milton dominates all of these clowns at once. imagine if it were just one v one. he would kill it.
milfhuntergk 3 years ago
lol he got em all lined up for an ass spanking over his tiny knees. fuck that- they're all queing up for the privilege!
RuggedLike 2 years ago
I love how Milton didn't even realize the show ended and kept on debating the other guys.
psugeog11 3 years ago 4
Public schools can't tell a parent their child is tough? Does anyone actually believe this bullshit? How can the gov't as big as it currently is be insecure about anything?
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago 4
Public schools won't get destroyed, they will get smaller.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago 7
not with these kinds of people running them. These people are fighting to keep their jobs, because they know they would not be worth anything in the market place.
utubehayter 3 years ago 5
EXACTLY!
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
What is wrong with these guys. The tough kids have nothing to lose with a voucher system implemented.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago 5
Milton kicked these guys asses. Their argument was basically, because their are 10/100 "tough kids" in a lousy school, the other 90 have to stay in that lousy school. They had absolutely no response when he mentioned real costs are going up and quality is going down. I live in NY and a gym teacher makes as much as a Math Teacher. They also are required to have a graduate degree. Is this not absurd? Is this really defensible?
bastiat2450 3 years ago 8
public education beaurocracy needs to give way to free market thinkers, too many socialists spoil the broth. in australia our high school systems are going to be thrown laptops as a quick fix. central planning never works
lsnaid1 3 years ago 2
Oh what a pain that we didn't get to hear what Milton's reply was at the end there. Whenever he got to reply he completely destroyed the other persons point if it was no good.
Luineancaion 4 years ago 3
They cut milton off at the end.
Seiku 4 years ago
In fact, the guy talking around 2:30 was admitting in a way what Friedman said about the poor paying for the rich and what made it even more painful for him, he said he was happy about it. :')
Shorackoff 4 years ago 2
Yeah he basically supported the voucher system himself. Im surprised Milton didn't point that out.
Tuneman100 4 years ago
Wow, Milton creamed them...and their only defense, ultimately (boiling this down here) is an appeal to emotion....my gosh.
The more and more and more I study economics, the more and more I see that the truly Free Market is the only system that can reduce poverty, produce a upstanding moral citizen, and create nearly limitless jobs in the marketplace...all at the expense of whom? no one
FoxPMcCloud 4 years ago 5
A agree.
newworldorder08 3 years ago
You anti milton dudes must be associated with public schooling. Milton and the other guy kick ass. They were cheerful and knowledgeable while those other losers were all sour,gloomy and biased.
antpoo 4 years ago 3
Milton did pretty good if you ask me. Either way, an interesting debate.
SatanTheMiner 4 years ago 7
"Milton did pretty well,.... he did pretty well" I think you wanted to say. Did you attend a private school perhaps? Your phrase could be correct by adding the use of the work "Fuck".. ... as in " Milton did pretty fuckin' good if you ask me" This would legitimize your prior mistake.
Aleowiciuos 3 years ago
Are you kidding me, Milton whipped these jokers.
Humphreysguitar 4 years ago 7
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Hah, Milton lost!
ladulaser 4 years ago