Self Righteous Racial Egalitarians and Their Bad Assumptions

[emwaver]

i want to agree with the general point but when there is orders of magnitude differences in crime, especially rape and violence... there is no amount of shrugging and sweeping straw men under the rug which will hide the issue, despite the media staying out of even reporting black crime unless the person is wanted.

[Wanda7771]

I agree with this video but don't like arguments that are full of insults even though I may agree with the position. It doesn't prove the case one way or the other. A respectful debate makes the case better than insults.

[jbearden]

I love this pseudo-scientific masturbation, this fake ass "philosophy 101" shit you propagate yourself.. You really do think you're very intelligent. It's funny to me!

[LaughingMan0X]

@jbearden

I think your inability to put forward an argument is absolutely hilarious! This makes it easy and indeed rational to dismiss everything you say with relative ease. How fun!

[jbearden]

@LaughingMan0X You "think my inability" is "hilarious". So, therefore, you "dismiss" EVERYTHING I say. And so, that is your argument.

[LaughingMan0X]

@jbearden

No, that is merely what I do.

[jbearden]

@LaughingMan0X And you propose that you have presented an argument that is even so much as worthy of discussion?

[ChainEffect1]

@LaughingMan0X hah just looked at his channel, typical lemming guy, don't pay attention to him hah. he is self-hating white pathetic.

[thespacialone]

@LaughingMan0X Will they EVER attempt to refute our arguments? The silence in this regard is becoming literally deafening.

Race realists are now forced to confront the fact the only reason anti-racists are anti-racists is their intellectual sub-normality -- some sort of guild / support network for the mentally fractured / impotent.

Their conjecture (it cannot be considered "argument"), spurious at best, without foundation of any kind; their grammar, their "English", shocking!

[Chickenwing1313]

@jbearden "pseudo-science" There isn't really any argument in the academia of science debating whether race exists or not. It's only the crack pot marxist arts majors who have no knowledge of science that claim it to be a "social construct".

[jbearden]

@Chickenwing1313 You mean me?  The scientist, right? The one with 25 years of experience. I see. Okay.

[Chickenwing1313]

@jbearden What part of racial theory do you not agree with? If you really are a scientist, anyone can make claims on the internet, I'd be surprised if you didn't believe in race.

[DayTimes121]

Maybe her video said we may badly discriminate against good hard working people if we implement race based policies because this overlooks the common traits of human beings and environmental factors, such as geography and education.

And how do you respond, LaughingMan0x? By being a spoiled brat, trashing her and declaring the races are different.

You are too superficial to be an intellectual now. That takes depth and listening skills. You are a thug. You are a child. A mind gone to waste.

[platinumgrade]

strawmanning much?

[Tuppington]

I was right up with you until you declared at 9 minutes that a black baby would be different. Fuck you. How anal can you get trying to see people as breeds?

[LaughingMan0X]

@Tuppington

The point detailing why booboo's analogy was false was a relatively simple one. Two dogs of the same breed only produce offspring the same breed when they reproduce (golden retriever's --> golden retrievers). However, if they mate, can two Sub-Saharan Africans produce a freckled red haired, blue eyed white European baby? If two Swede's mate, can they produce a black curly haired Sub-Saharan African baby? They should be able to if booboo's analogy was true, but this is not the case.

[fume0ne]

@LaughingMan0X hello i would like to attack one of your arguments. mice do not prefer cheese over other foods. peanut butter is good.

that is all

[LaughingMan0X]

@Tuppington

The argument I made was purely descriptive; solely about what "is" the case. I made no normative claim about what "should be" the case. Do you dispute anything I said or my reasoning? Because you haven't offered any counter-argument, only personal attacks.

[Tuppington]

@LaughingMan0X Your entire video is a personal attack, fool!

[LaughingMan0X]

@Tuppington

Although I do personally attack boobootoob throughout the video, the entire video isn't a personal attack, the same way modern computers aren't entirely made of plastic, as its core is made of other types of components. Throughout the video I also made several arguments (and kept the personal attacks separate from my arguments).

Furthermore, you still haven't tried to show why any single argument I made was wrong.

[Tuppington]

@LaughingMan0X To be honest, I'm far too lazy to, in the same way that the government is too lazy to sort through bogus paperwork of a tax dodger. The irrationality in 'toob seems like a mistranslation of facts that would support her. Making a 30 minute video devoted entirely to the logical fallacies she presents seems incredibly personal to me. Try asking her.

But there's a lot of evidence against your ideas in these comments, which is enough to win me over, a slightly more sane individual.

[Tuppington]

@LaughingMan0X Important philosophers could not overcome racial prejudice, so culture has been tainted. Gandhi, Hegel, and Jung for example all had difficulty seeing Africans as equals in intelligence, rather than overly-superstitious savages. Science can overcome said prejudice (as people in these comments are showing, but human beings are fallible. As Morpheus said, "you're living in a dream-world."

[darklord220]

@Tuppington Google "oxytocin promots human ethnocentrism"

We can not escape racial prejudice because it is as natural as shitting or fucking.

[Elenkhos]

LOL... Boobootoob is an idiot. I find it ironic that this person named Boobootoob somehow has changed her tune about race and is talking out her ass about it, when she stalked some poor guy named Keytoothed for months on youtube, and off, calling him a dirty Mexican. Maybe she believes racism can only apply to Mexicans, who well... are dirty. If you want to see these comments let me know, they are all up on Encyclopedia Dramatica with links.

[fountainherz]

@Elenkhos

Could you link me to the racist comments? I found her ED but I'm too fucking lazy to go through all 35 linked comments. lol.

[Elenkhos]

@fountainherz Yea I'll find it LOL

[LaughingMan0X]

@Elenkhos

What keywords do you search on ED to find her?

[Elenkhos]

@LaughingMan0X jedimasterbooboo

[Elenkhos]

@LaughingMan0X /all_comments?v=ru94ZK_3CUM

[ca9109]

or for each person

[ca9109]

3/3) a rigidity and a certainty that do not exist. i do however want to take the time to thank you for criticizing molyneux upb, without your critique i would have been lost lol (newb at philosophy) and i almost got sucked in to his theory because i had no way of properly assessing it. i now have the opportunity to think clearly and begin my journey into ethics.

[ca9109]

(2/3) so lets not grossly simplify our bio social experience. to provide one example in a study by turkheimer and colleagues (2003) the heritability of iq in a sample of 7 year old twins was examined. the study focused on the heritability of iq as a function of socioeconomic status. among the very poor twins in the sample the heritability estimate for iq was close to 0. whereas among the affluent twins it was close to 1.00. i find it odd the way you presented iq and genetics, it imposed a

[LaughingMan0X]

@ca9109

Gene's get expressed to a greater degree as an individual (or population) ages. If you compare the IQ of newborn identical twins, & rates of violence initiated by said newborns, you would find virtually no difference. A small sample of 7-year olds is hardly a good sample to gauge the overall heritability of IQ.

A meta-analysis (Bouchard, 2004) put the heritability of IQ at .85 for legal adults, The APA puts the heritabiltiy of IQ at .75 individuals past adolescence.

[ca9109]

@LaughingMan0X (1/2) my point is that a heritability estimate is an estimate for a particular study. Our experience as individuals can in no way be reduced to a meta analysis as it reflects the differences in contribution between those subjects which are also products of individual experiences. genes are expressed in a very synergistic environment and when we make statements such as the heritability of iq is this we should also mention that this estimate is related to subjects and

[ca9109]

(2/2) not individuals. the heriatibility of iq in particular studies cannot have anything to say about the potential of individuals in a race because this estimate is not a natural law but a measurement of subjects within a study or studies .

[darklord220]

@ca9109 Laughingman was only referring to average intelligence statistics. You do know how bell curve distribution works right?

[ca9109]

@darklord220 sorry again i was just trying to remind people how interactive our individual development is and that these statistics are not natural fixed limitations of races but merely reflection of the present state of those subjects in those studies, but ya sorry once again its jut most people misuse the heritability estimate when they watch videos pertaining to gene expression and human development.

[ca9109]

again i know you did not mean to say anything about individuals but when presented with information such as the meta analysis people tend to think that this is somehow some natural barrier or natural law for each race.

[ca9109]

(1/3) heritability only applies to groups of people. a heritability estimate is not about individual development, is is a numerical estimate of the proportion of variability that occurred in a particular trait in a particular study as a result of the genetic variation in that study/ they tell us about the phenotypic differences among subjects but not to the relative contribution of genes and experience to the development of individuals. heritability says little about how malleable the trait is

[LaughingMan0X]

@ca9109

1) At no point did I ever say that heritability was about individual development.

2) Heritability does have something to say about how malleable a trait is. If intelligence had a heritability of 1.00, then it would be impossible to change an individuals intelligence by changing their environment; it would literally be the case that the only way you could manipulate their intelligence would be through genetic engineering.

[ca9109]

@LaughingMan0X 1. im sorry i did not meant to imply that you did i guess it does seem that way i was just trying to demonstrate how synergistic this whole process.

2. the example i'm speaking of in which it is 1.00 is in that particular study because a heritability estimate is a measurement in a particular study.

[ca9109]

@LaughingMan0X *is

[ca9109]

@LaughingMan0X and what i meant by malleable is not malleability within the study but as a universal malleability within races or individuals.

[MrHerrIQ]

Very nice!

[FarFromEquilibrium]

Damn boobootoob got fuuuuuuuuukt up!

Hot weather makes me lazier, definitely. Damn I hate summer : s

[Tsicar]

Owned.

[FriendOregon]

I attached a vid of a well reasoned arguement. 'enjoy#########!

[DKshad0w]

@FriendOregon You and republicofsaddles are fine examples of what LaughingMan0X was talking about.

[45means45]

@DKshad0w Oregon is turning into a troll.

[fountainherz]

@DKshad0w

Yeah and he couldn't even refute me in his video. They're only concern is discrediting through slander and not debunking.

[fringeelements]

LaughingMan0X agrees with me on race on all points. We talk in skype all the time, and I have never had a major disagreement with him on race. Just something you should know. You can ask him yourself in a PM.

This whole creationist circle is getting more and more ridiculous.

[TotalAnomy]

@fringeelements could one join these conversations? If so, how?

[FriendOregon]

When the fuck did you turn into straight dope?

[DKshad0w]

So is it fair to say boobootoob made a booboo?

[MikeyMcCrashCap]

How is referring to boobootoob as a cave troll not a form of ad hominem name calling?

[KathyGurl14]

@MikeyMcCrashCap, it is not an ad hom in this context because calling her a "cave troll" was not meant to be an argument. If LM had stated, or implied something along the lines of, "since boobootoob is a cave troll, do not take her seriously," then that would be an ad hominem. As it actually occurred, laughingman spent most of the video providing a substantial argument against her claims, and pointing out her troglodyte nature was only meant to be an insult.

[BlackSorceryShop]

Humans are all tribalists/nationalists/sectar­ian

Let's take for example Boobootoob. She is Feminist/"liberal" this is her tribe...

US (Feminists) against THEM (EVIL MACHO MEN)

She don't want unity with other human beings (conservatives, men which don't like feminist bullshit etc(

she see conservative humans as - degenerates or something below her level.

This is supremacist thinking, and ALL people have supremacist views

She is like me... a Tribalist/Sectarian

[PoweredByMagnets]

You sound like a complaint letter generator when you attack people. It's probably because you address them in the third person. It's pretty creepy. I enjoy the content of your videos though.

[MaxStirner4Lyfe]

That little sign even says "Don't even think about it."

[darklord220]

Laughingman you have some retarded subscribers. 

[TheCrazyFinn]

The tropical climate must be making it very hard for her to think...

[Donatellangelo]

Gattaca. That is all.

[darklord220]

@Donatellangelo South Africa . That is all.

[manoman0]

I don't recommend using analogies; after all, just say what you want to say, be precise.

[Ilikenuman]

wait wait, complaining about AdHoms then calling her a cave troll?

[darklord220]

@Ilikenuman shutup you fag, she asked for it.

[Ilikenuman]

@darklord220

hey im only a short while into the video, im sure its great

[darklord220]

@Ilikenuman SUCK ONE YOU LEFTIST

[Ilikenuman]

@darklord220

Why would I want to suck Juan?

[darklord220]

@Ilikenuman Because you are a leftist queer who embraces multiculturalism, etc.

[darklord220]

@darklord220 you embrace in such a way that you desire the cock of males whose culture differs from yours

[Ilikenuman]

@darklord220

yup i totally love multiculturalism. i think islam is just as good as west. also you piss in shower

[shirehorse91]

@Ilikenuman Yes, videos that rely on AdHoms are not worth the watch. He needs to develop an argument or shut up.

[darklord220]

@shirehorse91 (see what you did numan? now stupid people who watch this video will get the wrong idea) THe video has argumentation if you watch past a minute you fucking fool

[shirehorse91]

@darklord220 Back to making an idiot of yourself again, I see.

[darklord220]

@shirehorse91 if you think this video has no arguments, then you are the idiot.

[shirehorse91]

@darklord220 You haven't a clue. Now, piss off.

[darklord220]

@shirehorse91 Are you retarded?

This video is almost forty minutes long with plenty of arguments and sources cited. You fuck off.

[shirehorse91]

@darklord220 So, in your pea-brain mind 40 min automatic = good argument. You're an idiot. Piss off.

[darklord220]

@shirehorse91 No, the arguments and long list of cited sources do.

[Worldslargestipod]

You work too hard Laughing Man

Great Video BTW, Glad I subscribed. 

[andid]

Just because we can accurately classify some people's race doesn't mean our level of group variation is anything like dog breeds, or close to "substantive". Europeans may have mated with a subspecies, there's still no galactic kennel club keeping us from genetic drift. We vary greatly as individuals but barely vary between populations, likely due to drift and bottlenecks. I'm as sure there are blacks w Neanderthal genes as whites w sickle cell: there is no XX-XY gender equivalent.

[andid]

@andid African Americans, for instance, usually have anywhere from 10-50% European genes, which means any genes associated with recent Europe. We're all mutts. No one's a pure race like a dog can basically be a pure breed, so we shouldn't expect skills and successes to be as varied and distinct as dogs. Yet they nearly are, which makes culture/nurture the main suspect for most, though I'm sure genetics plays some role, as it always does.

[darklord220]

@andid Whiteness is recessive, we are not all mullatos lol, mulattos are mulattos. The physical characteristics and behavioral which make up being 'white' are overtaken by African American genes. So if you mix races on a large scale, you essentially get the ( I don't want to say extinction) but the reduction of whites on a large scale. Also, there doesn't have to be pure race for the concept of race to exist, that is a continuum fallacy.

[darklord220]

@darklord220 behavioral characteristics*



[darklord220]

@andid The amount of group variation is largely irrelevant given substantial differences are manifest though. We do not vary that much genetically but we (the races) are in different in behavioral attitudes, average intelligence (raw cognitive g factor), et cetera.

[LaughingMan0X]

@andid

Concerning things that clearly have a genetic basis, racial "averages" differ in:

1) Bone structure

2) Height and size

3) Genetic disease resistance

4) Brain Size (which is strongly correlated with IQ)

5) Levels of genetic similarity between other racial groups

-There is also an expression of an MAOA Gene that is strongly linked to impulsivity and violence (which has a greater frequency among some races and not others, which aptly correspond to crime rates among said populations)

[Jacko38]

@LaughingMan0X I was wondering what is your opinion of the flynn effect ,its implications and how you would account for it given the conclusions you have drawn

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Ahh, yes. The good old brain size agenda. Brain size can be disrupted by environmental factors, reducing the average size. But like skull size, comparing brain size between groups of people is not very accurate, but it does seem to make sense when comparing Negroes to whites and whites to Japanese. But correlation is not causation, for instance, the Japanese have a learning culture, thus score higher. Blacks dont thus they score lower. Whites are inbetween.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

A) Severe malnutrition can reduce brain size, however, controlling for nutrition does little to close the overall gap.

B) Comparing average Brain-size between groups of people is incredibly accurate when you use modern MRI imagine techniques. Furthermore, if you want to be more technical, you can even compare the average number of cortical neurons between races which can be analyzed extremely accurately (Average In Millions: Blacks: 13,185, Whites: 13,665, Asians: 13,767.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

C) It is true that correlation doesn't necessarily entail causation; however, a strong correlation (probabilistically) implies a causal relationship (and the .63 correlation between IQ and brain-size is a strong correlation). For instance, nobody denies that strokes can cause death, however there is only a moderate correlation between strokes and death (as most of the time in the US, people survive strokes).

[LaughingMan0X]

D) Your genetics are your capacity leash; cultural environments determine how far you can stretch your leash, but it doesn't allow you to escape it.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Thats true, although I am an egalitarian, I agree with the point that intelligence is partially genetically determined.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

That simply means you accept part of reality. The heritability of IQ for individuals past adolescence is .7 according to the Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart, .75 according to a meta-analysis done by the American Psychological Association, and over .9 according other studies on the heritability of IQ and cognitive abilities later in life.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

The problem with the adoption studies is that they do not take in to account the bad environment that has already decreased the (true) potential of black children, before the testing took place. These adoption studies as you very well know, occur right after a couple of years from the inception. Bad nutrition of pregnant mothers, who give away their child up for adoption can dwarf the brain size potential, thus engendering irreversible damage, rendering no change in IQ.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

Adoption studies are done with children of all races, not simply black children; so if (as you seem to claim) the fact that if these children are adopted (and the conditions under which this is done) "damages" the potential of the children in the study, then they should all be (more or less) equally damaged (as all were adopted under similar conditions. This would make a gap between the races in the sample, not due to the bad adoption conditions, but some other factor.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X 

Last but not least, explain the low IQ of eastern Europeans. And please all wise and intuitive racial supremacist (lmao couldnt say that with a straight face), tell me which race was studied (consistently). Every single IQ and adoption study was based on mixed black children, and whites and pure blacks. Not with hispanics or other groups. Lower caste Indians in the UK score 97, and that will still rise (flynn Effect). Lower caste indians in India score in the lower 80's.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

1) Eastern European(s) (EE) don't particular have low IQ's. If you look at data from Richard Lynn & Tatu Vanhanen's book IQ and Global Inequality, you can see that the average IQ's of EE range in the high 90's (for comparison, the US scored 98 on the same index). As to why the IQ score isn't in the low 100's like Scandavia, I suspect it's largely gene flow; as, from the inception of the USSR until now many High IQ people from EE have migrated west for better economic conditions

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

LOL, many Eastern European countries have IQs in the lower 90's, to one having an iq of 89, like Serbia. Russia is at 96, almost close to the US second generation hispanic iq of 95.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

"Row 61 giving an IQ of 89 for Serbia is probably too low because [his] sample is described as being from "predominantly lower or lower middle class families" in and around Belgrade"

Richard Lynn, Race Differences in Intelligence, p.14

I also imagine the conflict throughout the 90's in Kosovo (and throughout the Balkans generally) didn't do the average IQ of Serbia any favors.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Dont blame immigration for their low iq, you have no such evidence. The brain drain affected the upper tier people such as scientists and the likes, not the people with the average IQ's in the 100 range.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

I have evidence that large amounts of people immigrated from Eastern Europe, although I don't know the average IQ of the immigrants; but it certainly no stretch since there was a Brain Drain in Russia, and Brain drains reduce the average IQ of a nation. Also, are you saying that only say scientists, lawyers, & philosophers leave a country when it turns shitty, & that no-one else with an average IQ in the 100 range would possibly be inclined to the idea of leaving such an area?

[sovietamerican2]

Also, if Eastern Europe had bad economic conditions, than the people there are really dumb, since IQ makes a good economic situation, while low IQ makes a bad economic situation. France, Ireland and Portugal are 98 percent white, yet they have IQ's below 100.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

Over 20% of the population (and a majority of newborns) in France are Muslim (and of Middle Eastern Origin). Muslims also compose over 2/3rds of French immigrants. This is a demographic that has an average IQ of under 90. This continuing French lack of homogeneity (unlike Scandinavia) would certainly be enough to explain why France has an IQ below 100.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

As for Ireland, during the Irish Potato Famine, over a Million (and possibly more than 1.5 million) Irish immigrated to other western countries; many of whom were both affluent and very probably possessed comparatively high IQ levels (i.e. gene flow could explain the gap).

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

The Irish during that time period had lower IQ's below 90. Than again they may have benefited from the Flynn Effect. Not every white country has an average IQ of 100, remember this is an aggregated average from all white( caucasian) countries. As for Muslims in France, in a decade or so, they will too benefit from the Flynn Effect, possibly increasing the French national IQ's. Eastern Europeans in general are not that smart, having IQ's below 100.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

How could you possibly know that? The Irish Potato famine occurred before IQ tests even existed; that's a leap of logic if I've ever seen one.

Also, I know every white country doesn't have an IQ of 100 (& there are numerous reasons for this), which may be genetic (as in Scandinavian countries there very well could have been a slightly different and greater environmental selection pressures for the frequency of certain alleles which resulted in a slightly high IQ population)

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

Furthermore, the Flynn Effect does not in and of itself entail any narrowing of the Race and IQ gap (and Flynn himself has admitted this). The IQ of the Muslims might rise over time in absolute terms (the Flynn effect), although that does not follow there will be any lessening of the relative gap.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Well, there is nothing wrong with the Muslim population. They had an advanced civilization that rivaled China and India during the time up to the early 17 Century, than the Europeans surpassed them, which was bound to happen since no one stays on top forever. And as you know, even during the Roman Empire, the Byzentine Empire and the Persian Empire, they both still had a very sizable economy that very well rivaled those so called superior empires.IQ's are not constant variables

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Due to history, there is no reason to suspect that the IQ gap between Muslims and Whites will never close. It might be that Muslims if given the opportunity are capable of rivaling the Chinese in terms of IQ, or its possible they have IQ's similar to whites, we will have to wait for the Flynn Effect to see. There is not much ammunition against Muslims when it comes to IQ. They had the most advanced region for thousands of years, than knowledge spread to Medieval Europe.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

I would like to see where you got that information about Black African Immigrants regressing towards the mean of (80). Any insight is welcomed.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Scandinavian Whites, are probably the smartest whites of all, but their population is less than 15 million. About the Black people, socioeconomically low class Blacks, are worse off compared to Hispanics,whites or ASians, thus it could explain the low IQ. An alternative scenario, is that American Blacks, brought over as slaves were genetically dumber than the average population of the blacks in Africa.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

Low socioeconomic status may have originally be a perfectly sensible hypothesis to explain the IQ gap between blacks and whites (as Blacks on average happen to be of lower socioeconomic status than whites). However, when you control for SES, there is still a 12 point IQ gap, so that does not explain the total Race and IQ gap (and it also doesn't follow that the 3-point gain isn't in-some way due to genetics).

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

It could be that blacks brought over initially had a lower than average African IQ; I doubt it as the average IQ of Sub-Saharan Africa ranges between 68-70 vs. 85 for US blacks (although that gap could very well be due to poor nutrition, lack of access to education, poverty, and the like). Also, IQ's of African immigrants today "regress" (or progress in many cases) to the US Black mean of 85, which shouldn't happen if there was a fair degree of genetic distance between them.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

As for Portugal, I have no idea as I am very unfamiliar with the country, its long term history, and its people. Although a gap in understanding isn’t an argument for or against anything. Just as a lack of understanding as to how the universe was created doesn’t prove god, so to a lack of understanding as to the small gap between Portugal and Scandinavian countries doesn’t disprove hereditarianism or prove any blank slate egalitarianism.

[LaughingMan0X]

2) You will need some hefty evidence to show that every adoption study was with only blacks, whites, and mulattoes, and not examine Asians and Hispanics (the burden of proof is on you here). Also, the Unabridged Edition of Race Evolution and Behavior: mentions several adoption studies which look at: Blacks, Mulattoes, Whites, & Asians, so what you say is false

Moreover that bit about me being a racial supremacist is nothing more than name-calling; if that's your aim you can go play in traffic

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

There is no proof that every race was studied, thus it is only a figment of your imagination. Only Blacks-Asians and whites were studied. You yourself dont know, yet you say these studies exist?? LoL. Lower caste Indians in the UK are a representation of the Lower caste in India, brought over to England as a labor force. Prior to Colonization India had the worlds largest economy and did not suffer from these social woes.

[sovietamerican2]

You are acting like a child. The Indians in the UK, unlike in the USA, are representative samples of the Lower caste, while in the USA, the Indians represent the upper caste. These Indians in the UK, were brought over from the lower caste, as slave labor, thus they are the true representation of the lower caste Indians in India. The very fact that these lower caste Indians (thus) far score 97 in the UK, means that the same phenomenon would occur with the lower caste in India.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

@sovietamerican2

"Lower caste Indians in the UK score 97, and that will still rise. Lower caste indians in India score in the lower 80's."

3) India is a country with a billion people and an average IQ of about 85. That phenomenon in England is highly predictable. As India has a billion people, applying the standard bell curve distribution of individuals means that about 16% of their population has an IQ range between 115 -140+ (and that is alot of people)

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Oh man, these lower Caste Indians were brought to England as a labor foce. These are the same people in India today that score in the lower 80's and are suffering from malnourishment and disease. Thus it is obviously that in the future these Indians of the lower caste would have similar IQ's in the upper 90's. These Indians are not a selected group, it is the proper representation of the lower caste.Another thing, you cant apply the Bell Curve to India as It is diverse.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

3.5) There is a strong correlation between IQ and Income and Educational achievement; and Indians in the US and England as well (if I recall correctly) are very overrepresented in terms of income and educational achievement. Thus, selective immigration of high IQ (of which there are many in absolute terms in India) and high "relative" income individuals are likely responsible for the Indian racial gap between subgroups of their own population.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

3.75) Furthermore the Flynn effect thusfar doesn't imply or demonstrate (in the slightest) any "narrowing" of the Race and IQ gap, it merely implies an absolute rise in all IQ scores of all races over time.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

The Flynn Effect has ended in White Countries, now only the developing countries will be affected. The question is, will whites continue to have IQ's higher than blacks??

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

I know what you mean, someone with the genetics to be mentally retarded, no matter how much nutrition or education you give them, will never escape mental retardation. I am not arguing that, however it is safe to assume that adoption studies are not very accurate, because they fail to take in to account the socioeconomics of the parents placing their child up for adoption, and everything that has occured prior to placing the kids in a safe environment (the Testing).

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

"it is safe to assume that adoption studies are not very accurate"

-Citation/justification needed

"they fail to take in to account the socioeconomics of the parents placing their child up for adoption"

If you compare infants adopted soon after birth (of different races), and put them in homes with the same socioeconomic status, the IQ gap is still almost completely intact.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

I elucidated to you why they are not accurate, its called common sense, and facts. Liar, complete racist lies, adoption studies do not take in to account what damage the babies had during the fetus stage, neither were adoption studies ever that early. Everything I said was facts. Read my posts and learn. 1) Fetus (frontal lobe) can get damaged if of low (socioeconomic background)- 2) socioeconomics of biological parents is (not known). 3) Understimulation and culture can in

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

"Liar"

-Ad-Hominem Fallacy

"complete racist lies"

-Genetic Fallacy

What reason do you have to believe that ONLY (ALL or Most) black children in adoption studies suffered severe developmental damage to their frontal lobes (by drugs, significant malnutrition, industrial chemicals, etc), & what reason to you have to think that this samel damage you apparently claim for Blacks was mysteriously avoided by all Whites & Asians, such that it would explain the race and IQ gap

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

If I said that the reason why Asians in adoption studies scored higher than whites is because there was an Asian conspiracy that involved putting industrial chemicals in the drinking water of white adopted children; & that the reason why the gap existed in adoption studies was because no Scientists doing the studies looked at or controlled for the chemicals and conspiracy. This would be far fetched, and unless I had some good evidence, I would have no reason to think this

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

I will get to you later, Im going to work. But let me leave with this, correlation is not causation.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

fact make the brain atrophy. If you really knew your stuff, you would give quotes telling me about the adoption studies that happened straight after birth lmao........That would be too costly. Give me evidence that the adoption studies were done with people of all races. which is laughable, It wasnt done with Indians from the Indian subcontinent, neither (persians) or Arabs, neither a consisten Native American one (incas- Mayans-Aztecs etc etc.)

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

What you fail miserably to understand is that the brain can suffer from poor conditions, even if in the womb. Adoption studies are thus not very accurate. You cant take in to account what happened prior to being tested. ( You cant possibly argue with that, unless you are missing some parts of your frontal lobe). You seem to be the only racist that thinks that adoption studies were given to people of all races lmao... I have never met anyone so blind.

[sovietamerican2]

@sovietamerican2

Answer this question ( what was the income of the biological parents of the adopted children of each race??)

White children being put up for adoption have parents that are well off compared to blacks putting their child up for adoption. There are more blacks putting their child up for adoption than whites, which speaks something of the socioeconomic situation of the two demographies. Which is obviously the reason why blacks are worse off compared to whites.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Here is a better way to study, go to some black family, ask them when they plan on getting married, or having kids, afterwards, feed the pregnant mother vital nutrition, give them a stimulating environment, make sure you are always there taking care of the pregnant female to ensure she is not doing anything detrimental to her babies health. Continue this long money consuming research, until age 17 or 19, than the research and data would have more value.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

It has already been proven that those who put their children up for adoption, are the representation of the low socioeconomic class. People from this class, tend to suffer from malnourishment, funding, education and intuition on how to raise their child. Overstimulation at a young age, can cause temporary gains in IQ, but it has been proven that understimulation, from parents can cause the brain from reaching its peak growth.

[LaughingMan0X]

@sovietamerican2

That is true that people who put their children up for adoption are usually of low socioeconomic classes; and their kids often suffer from inadequate nutrition, and other deleterious effects. However this is true of the parents of adopted children "regardless" of their race. From this fact there seems to be no reason prima facie that this would in any way explain the IQ gap between adopted children of different races.

[sovietamerican2]

@LaughingMan0X

Now you know why adoption studies are not very helpfull. The damage has already been done before the testing began, thus no change in IQ of black children.

[LaughingMan0X]

@andid

Concerning things which likely have of a genetic basis (though probably an environmental one as well), racial "averages" differ in:

1) Crime Rates (significantly so even when income and education are controlled for)

2) IQ Test Scores (even when nutrition, income, and cultural bias are controlled for)

3) Time Preference (the extent to which individuals prefer future consumption over immediate consumption)

4) The likelihood two individuals among and between races will form relationships

[LaughingMan0X]

@andid

There don't need to be absolutely "pure types" with clearly definable line between different categories in order to call two things categorically or racially different, to claim otherwise is to make the continuum fallacy (as darklord already pointed out).

Furthermore, per the definition of what a breed is, the level of genetic, phenotypical, and behavioral dissimilarity between the races is more than enough to falsify the analogy between human races and homogenous breeds.

[contentmentiswealth]

This video produced an effect in me not unlike watching a tank run over a mouse...repeatedly...for the better part of an hour.

[TheBigHo111]

I don't have time to get into everything but I would like to point this out. Malnutrition in early years leads to low IQ and later antisocial behavior.

"Compared to those in the control group – the group that did not suffer from nutritional deficiencies – malnourished children showed a 41 percent increase in aggression at age 8, a 10 percent increase in aggression and delinquency at age 11 and a 51 percent increase in violent and antisocial behavior at age 17." -cont-

[TheBigHo111]

.... "Poor nutrition, characterized by zinc, iron, vitamin B and protein deficiencies, leads to low IQ, which leads to later antisocial behavior," he said. "These are all nutrients linked to brain development."

I think they're numerous causes for the "differences" between races. I am not sold on any superiority of any race or culture. I think preference and accustomed to living a certain way, situational ethics apply, environment, as well as class advantage, cultural racism, on and on etc.

[darklord220]

@TheBigHo111 Poor nutrition certainly leads to less IQ points and shitty behavior, but I don't think anyone is arguing for pure genetic determinism here.

[LaughingMan0X]

@TheBigHo111

Nutrition certainly matters, & bad nutrition can certainly be a factor in one scoring poorly on an IQ test. This is much of the reason why Sub-Saharan African blacks sore a average of 68-70 on an IQ test, while US blacks score an average of 85 (at least one standard deviation higher). However, when you control for nutrition, about a 15 IQ gap between blacks and whites still persists (which means it can't be used to explain the difference)

Also, who said anything about superiority?

[TheEfkk]

Problematic definition of heritability cf. Passer et. al. 2009: "estimation of the extent to which the differences, or variation, in a specific phenotypic characteristic within a group of people can be attributed to their differing genes." i.e. group level property, not individual property.

Also have to look at how differences among individuals compare to difference among individuals. Possible that individual differences are larger than between-race differences.

[darklord220]

@TheEfkk More in-group than out-group variation does not invalidate the concept of race. There are examples of that in the animal kingdom but the races are still distinct in their populations. Although I would like to see that study.

[TheEfkk]

@darklord220 it does invalidate it as a major factor, if individual factos are more relevant. You can find it in any introductory textbook on psychology, such as Passer et. al just mentioned or Paul Blooms Yale lectures on psychology.

[darklord220]

@TheEfkk That is not in any intro to psych textbook man, I'll have to check out the Passer reference. What exactly do you mean by 'individual factors' are more relevant? Relevant to what? Also you said "...have to look at how differences among individuals compare to difference among individuals.", you kind of repeated yourself there buddy.

[darklord220]

@darklord220 Group factors are more relevant to the concept of race. In psychology there is a certain methodological individualism that does not apply to the discussion of race.

[blackacidlizzard]

@TheEfkk

"individual differences are larger than between-race differences."

If you didn't know this as a certainty when you were eight, you were fucking retarded.

Seeing as how you think there are people arguing that intergroup averages are more disparate than intragroup instances, you probably are retarded.

See that yellow box in your pantry that says D-CON? It's happy food - eat it up quickly.

[spawktalk]

I ate the cheese bait. Logic=Pwned.

[darklord220]

@spawktalk You would do that, fattie. ^^