European Martial Arts: Hutton's Two-Hand Sword #3

[cenrriques918]

Exelente. Graven mas cinco estrellas

[LordBane1701]

Use the flat !!!

[kolotiti]

May i ask what sword school are you reconstructing? Im doing Lichtenauer school and we definitevly do not parry sword cuts. We do counter strikes in the oponets cut. Evry cut I do ends in hittin enemy. And another thing wooden swords are nice but from my experience cant replace a steel sword in the dynamics, handilng and they behave different on strike. Parrying while receving whole energy of the cut on your blade ruins your sword. You shouldnt let your opponent have a full power cut on you.

[DiabolusIgnis]

I've seen a few of these Hutton fighting video's. He seems to dislike parries in a way where you hit away the sword. Am I correct?

[greppia92]

only children trained with wooden swords which were meant to give them the basic notions of reach and defensive and offensive stances and techniques. Men trained with blunted metal weapons...the only martial art form involving exclusively wooden weapons would have been combat with staff-weapons

[greppia92]

training with wooden swords is uselss, even counterproductive in my view since it gives you no idea of the momentum a two handed sword swing produces. using balanced swords made of steel or aluminium (their weight should be based on historical data) is the only way to understand and master such a cumbersome weapon

[Semiomniscient]

@greppia92

While I'm not sure if you're entirely right (not having enough practice using both), isn't practicing with wooden swords an art in itself as that's been how people have trained with swords since swords were created?

[NewZealfighter]

That was nice to watch.Training outside can be a lot of fun.Anyway watching that I imagine that could have been two guys 400 years ago having a play.

ok on another note that last strike that cought the guy on the right off guard.I am wondering if a rolling half sword would have worked or slipping the sword to the outside and pushing it by would have worked as well.Worth trying anyway or how about dropping to a knee and going for a leg or groin attack

[Knightofthetruehorne]

ya i read that if you go edge on edge the blades are far more likely to brake

[lebarosky]

i have studied military history and medieval history and i believe, but am not sure, that the particular aspect of broadsword/greatsword/longswor­d (knight's sword) parrying is not clearly documented anywhere in any authoritative period text

we do know that practicing at a pell of upright wood was used, which would diminish damage to edge from parrying.

[Sovvolf]

Well I've done a good bit of Krabi Krabong the Thai Sword art and we go edge on edge... it does ruins the blade but it seems to add extra protection. I've noticed hitting the side of the blade can make it wobble and I've seen the weaker blades shatter because of this. When hitting the edge this doesn't happen the worst that happens is that it digs far in and can blunten the blade. I prefer to use edge to edge.

[MarkHolgate]

what is better is edge on flat -> your edge to their flat.

[Ranziel1]

watch?v=X8UeKcsE3Nw

watch?v=TtNZQBc4RpE&feature=re­sponse_watch

Try watching these, maybe that will help you with that. I practice the same technique and it works.

[perdurabo1]

@Sovvolf

In Lichtenauers school this is no problem as there is almoust no static parries, they are last resort to save life, but they don't give you "vor" you are still in "nach", you don't create danger for your oponent so almoust all counter actions are actually counter attacks (hard to explain with my english level, you have to see it in action)

[gigasbleach99]

hey wouldn't edge on edge screw up the blades???

[Spatha85]

You are touching a very delicate subject! Fencers have been arguing about this for years and years! But yes, you are right, edge on edge does considerable damage the blade (thou, if done correctly, not always). However I'm sure that Hutton wanted his parries to be done with the edge (I can explain you why), but naturally that doesn't mean that that is the correct form, as he had no more knowledge of the style of, let's say, Marozzo, as we do today. (His real expertise is the sabre.)

[elgostine]

@Spatha85 ut one thing im curious about is that, edge on edge would damadge a sabre too. so. why did they still insist on edge to edge combat?

[DiabolusIgnis]

@elgostine It's because, in a fight you wouldn't care about your edge breaking. "So effing what if I just get to bash that guy dead!" And the fact that the edge is stronger.

[elgostine]

@DiabolusIgnis stronger than what? in what?

[DiabolusIgnis]

@elgostine The edge is stronger than the flat when parrying. Try standing in a stance with an almost straight arm, point outwards. Have someone push left and right on the flat, and then up and down on the edge. You should see which one needs more force on his side, and thus which one is stronger on your side.

[Halofreakanoid]

@DiabolusIgnis : You parry with the edge of your sword, but only against the flat of an opponent's blade. Never edge on edge. Make sure you make this clear when explaining to people. Always block with the flat.

[DiabolusIgnis]

@Halofreakanoid And once again, I run into you. I think I have made myself clear already. Go for blocking with your strong (edge), on his weak (flat). If you can't then you have an edge on edge situation, which is bad, of course. Aim for intercepting with your strong, it just can't get much more logical than that, can it now?

[Halofreakanoid]

@DiabolusIgnis : Oh hi there, I didn't even realize it was you. I thought you were just another person not giving 100% of the information :P

[DiabolusIgnis]

@Halofreakanoid Eh, no worries. Both of us seem to comment a lot, so it's only natural.

[Halofreakanoid]

@DiabolusIgnis : It seems so yes

[Halofreakanoid]

@Spatha85 : Parries are done with the edge against the opponent's flat. Edge on edge fighting has no advantage and several disadvantages.

/watch?v=ov_iVrHy4_A

[waveman0]

@Spatha85

most try for an edge to side parry, lest damage is done.If you are going to be cut parry any way but if you can try for edge to side parry's