The Bible makes it clear only those chosen( by God) for eternal life will believe Acts 13:48.I know it's cut and dry ,& a very clear verse,yet Arminians will twist and shout,then tell us "nope,it doesn't mean this,it means exactly the opposite of what it says."
@quemacha Since Roman Catholics are Arminians and they did plenty killing of real Christians,I agree,Arminianism is a travesty and a slap in the face of God.Good comment.
Man IS responsible. He is responsible to "be holy, for I am holy". But where Calvary Chapel, and Bob Coy fail to understand is that man blew it. Adam is me, I am Adam. Adam blew it, so therefore we ALL blew it. We failed to be holy and we now bear the consequences. But God in His love for us, did not leave us in failure! His grace was poured out through the love of His Son! And He has CHOSEN for His elect to now BEAR that love and to receive His grace. But man in his pride wants credit for this.
I believe GOD chose me and that I did not choose him as to not break my arm as i am patting myself on the back boosting about my decision to follow him. Esp 2:8,9 tells us that GOD chose us and not of free will in any thing we can do least we should boast about it. Cut and dry. Now I do believe in 1st and 2nd causes. First is GODs sov will and 2nd in man responsibility.
How could anyone even suggest that he's a Calvinist? He's way out of the ballpark on that one. I don't even think he knows where he stands theologically.
Labels burden? Christian is a label. If you believe in the rapture you are in a label. If you believe that YOU choose Christ, you are in a label. ...Bible-IST - You just labeled yourself.
"So, get back to the Word of God. Be careful for labels. Bob Coy, a great man, I'm so thankful he lives, I'm so glad he speaks on YouTube. But be very very careful, whether your faith is in the Word of God, or whether it's actually in a man's interpretation of that word...I want to be quoting John and Paul and Jesus and Matthew; I don't want to be quoting Luther and Calvin and Bob Coy as much. Amen? Hope that helps"
It does help. It helps me to see how you can so easily set up a straw man and attempt to position yourself as above the issue. Reformed theology is biblical theology.
Bob Coy is correct. The proper "labels" would be "monergist" vs. "synergist".
And Pastor Coy is no doubt a synergist, over and against the biblical presentation, which is monergism. It has nothing to do with Calvin and Arminius, or Augustine and Pelagius...these are simply historic people who were dealing with the same issues Christians must deal with today.
@rkg62976 Bob Coy's claim to be a "Bibleist" is fallacious. Monergists claim 'sola Scriptura'...so does Pastor Coy think that monergists don't believe in going to the Bible for their doctrine? Monergists love to go to the Scriptures! And, typically, when they do, the synergist cannot substantiate their position. This is why you will never see Bob Coy engage in a meaningful dialogue with monergists in a cross-examination situation...his traditions would simply collapse.
1) God's utter Sovereignty over the whole of His creation (including the wicked acts of men and demons [ie., fallen angels]) does not take away from man's responsibility; rather, it establishes responsibility.
2) The problem is that most synergists do not have a proper definition of responsibility. They believe that man must have "free will" if they are to be responsible for their actions. But "free will" has NOTHING to do with responsibility.
I never said Calvin had anyone put to death. "You see", my friend you are guilty of doing what you've accused others of doing, "not having the facts straight". "Reportedly" simply means, it has been recorded or stated by someone. Michael Servetus died by order of a council for his "heretical views". Calvin wanted all "heretics", who disbelieved his TULIP model, "punished". Jesus, the Apostles nor the early church believed, taught, or practiced this. All facts...
Reportedly, Calvin had men put to death for not believing what he believed, his son in law Jacob Arminius, the father of Arminianism, didn't believe certain "fundamental" truths about the "Christian faith" yet none of us who hold dear to "their doctrine" every sit in meaningful dialogue to understand these diametrically opposing views. We bite and claw at one another, soon to devour one another... We all hold wrong conclusions about a doctrine! One thing I know, a house divided can't stand...
@UBLASTER1 "Reportedly". You see? That's the problem. You did no work to see what had actually happened to Servitus. I do agree with you regarding having meaningful dialogue but let's get our facts straight and then we can go from there.
A good example of a person trying to make people think that he knows what he is talking about while he doesn't know much about the subject at all. He can't even get the labels correct... arminist? Really? Calvary Chapel theology... a mile wide and an inch thick, no wonder why so many Chapelites are flocking to reformed theology.
Both camps claim to believe their 'systematic theology' is Biblical. Shouldn't we simply turn to the Scriptures to test which system holds water? I think your comments are an attempt to dodge the issue. God's Word is more than capable of settling the issue. God's sovereignty vs man's responsibility is there really an argument?? If God is truly at the centre of your theology, as it should be if you're a Christian (Deut 6:4-6, Mark 12:30) then you will see the man centredness of Arminianism.
Sorry Bob, not helpful at all. In fact you're (hopefully unwittingly) rather arrogant. Are you saying that Calvinists & Arminians aren't bible believing?? Aren't "labels" just a way to use language so that you have shorter sentences. Wouldn't it be easier to say you're Calvinist rather than have to say I believe in... and outline a presentation on the five points?? Calvanism & Arminianism is a historical debate - saying you're a Biblist (however you define that) creates a category error.
I have attended CC for 7 years. I am of the reformed belief and agree with Calvin on many things. In those years I do not believe I heard Pastor Bob contradict Calvin. I have heard sermons that supported Calvin. Because much of what Calvin taught is undisputed Bible truth. He is closer to Calvin than most think. In the end we will come to realize that our salvation is totally of God and of His choosing. That way God gets all the glory!
@MrJCCreative:Calvin let several hundred innocent people get murdered by a mob of fanatics in his self-chosen alleged city of God in Geneva/Switzerland.
How brainwashed are you already ?
Your really have NO eduction in the USA.
But state debts of 13.500.000.000. dollars - 13.5 trillion dollars!
Both done under Reagan-Bush-Cheney + Cheney-Bush.
The rest of Europe will - after you´ve hardly anything to change your horror situation - soon say "that was it - fuck off, America, enough is enough."
@MrJCCreative:Geneva 1553:On 20 October the replies from Zurich,Basel,Bern,and Schaffhausen were read and the council condemned Servetus as a heretic.The following day he was sentenced to burning at the stake, the same sentence as in Vienne.Calvin and other ministers asked that he be beheaded instead of burnt.This plea was refused and on 27 October,Servetus was burnt alive atop a pyre of his own books at the Plateau of Champel at the edge of Geneva.
You are right: To your hypocritical dogmatism is no other sillier + more canting alternative.
Monotonous talk filled with platitudes+hypocritically would-be-"pious" language.
Many reformists even sided with Hitler, doesn´t make us wonder in Germany.
Both churches confessed their guilt after the 2nd world war.
Every year 180.000 catholics + 150.000 protestants leave their churches in Germany - and thank god we don´t have any evangelistic crap here who steal their money again.
Lukewarm synergism... Listener beware. Rom. 8:29-30 "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified."
"Calvinism is just a nickname for the Gospel." That is all I can say. To call yourself a "bible-ist" is a bit arrogant though, as if Calvin and the other Reformers were not. You say to be careful of who we read and listen to, does that include you? I submit that you have a tradition you impose on the text that you refuse to deal with.
@xsgtusmc Never heard that about him. Where did you find that? Was it murder or defense? Remember King David killed many more people than that but it was in defense of his country.
@MrJCCreative: WIKIPEDIA: " In 1547 Jacques Gruet, a Genevan member of Favre's group, was arrested and incriminating evidence was found when his house was searched. Under torture, he confessed to several crimes including writing the letter left in the pulpit which threatened God and his ambassadors and endeavouring to subvert church order. The civil court condemned him to death and, with Calvin's consent, he was beheaded on 26 July."
A stupid illiterate awful parody of a gentleman you are !
@xsgtusmc:The number of people murdered by Calvin+his nazi-like clique in Geneva is estimated to be much higher than even 50,several hundreds are supposed.Calvin was a megalomaniac like Hitler.Michel Servet was also burned by Calvin´s will because Calvin feared the Catholic church which Servet had also officially attacked with fine ironic quotes (+ refuting them at the same moment) from Calvins trash theology, even St Augustine-who was wicked enough-would have got the horror if he´d read Calvin.
Good intention in this comment here+in your channel you play the confused+bash on gays.
Are they your business?
What you say there could bring you to a high fine or eve prison in modern Europe,but i have to register that America is still in the middle or even dark ages.Confused USA with state debts of 13 TRILLION dollars - all harm done by "Christian" politicians in your country.
Better take care that you don´t land in your own hell here on earth already..
Bob, I respect your passion, but at the end of the day, theology matters - and it matters much.
I do have to give you credit: you at least seemed respectful on Calvin's position and to those who agree with him. (You won't find that kind of respect from guys like Dan Corner.) The one thing we have to understand is that Calvin did not make this stuff up as he went along. Everything he penned in the Institutes, he got it from Scripture.
Did Calvin also get his "inspriration" for estimated several hundred murders in Geneva (officially 50 murders ordered by Calvin) by the "scriptures" ? Oh yeah, the fuckin old testament is a "great" inspiration for criminal acts of all sorts.
the fact of the matter is, the deeper you go into Scripture the more you realize John Calvin's biblical theology is truth because he got it from the Bible. the only way to see an Arminian view is to either give a very light laymen's reading of the Bible or apply humanistic philosophy and reasoning when interpreting it.
and what is the problem with labels? Are we to go so far with this as not to call ourselves Christians in order not to offend anyone?
*For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. *Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads topeace and to mutual edification.
I am told by scripture to love my enemy. With whose love am I to accomplish this with? Mine? I had not love until Messiah Yeshua came to dwell in my heart. It is His love loving through me that loves my enemy.
Is it possible the Lord Jesus would ask me to love those He does not?
Does a practicing Calvinist really know if he will make it to heaven, if he is truly chosen or not? A Calvinist pastor can not really look out to the congregation any given Sunday and tell each and everyone that God loves them and has a plan for their life....
for if God really did love them would he be sending babies (yes a Calvinist must include innocent babies) and billions of humans to hell! God loved man so much that he gave him a free will to choose, yet God is still sovereign and his Holy Spirit is a beautiful gentleman... the two do exist in Gods grace
Was a Christian not really a Christian until Calvin penned his thoughts? Beware of Calvinism my friends.... Bob is being real.... Bob is being kind.... Bob was REAL KIND considering that John Calvin was slightly a control freak whom oversaw more than a few tortures in the name of God of those whom he did not agree with... so much for loving your enemy eh?
Are we not to judge a man by his fruit... why should Calvin get a pass??? Don't let the doctrine of man trip you up... as Calvinism can do... (and will do if the deceiver has his way)... for to debate Calvinism with a Calvinist is not pretty.... I have had Calvinist tell me if I did not believe as they did, that I was going to hell.... I would never tell them this myself if they based their faith on Jesus Christ and Gods Word....
Who am I to judge a mans heart anyways... Look at my fruit, if it is rotten then tell me so I can examine my own heart and repent. This repentance is something that Calvin never did publicly till the day he died. Calvin condoned those tortured to death, some burned at the stake in public and though those who were murdered needed the truth, it was just the opposite that Christ would ask us to do.
According to real history, Calvin had a prideful attitude and could not handle rejection. Maybe this was carried over from the earlier years when he studied with well known humanists in France It is very sad that most Calvinists now have a spirit of pride... I am not saying that those who oppose Calvinism are not proud, yet humility is seldom sensed
As to ask one if Christ died for everyone, a true Calvinist will tell you NO, He will also tell you man has no free will, yet we see man having a free will throughout the Bible (as he did with Adam & Eve, and so on) The one that drove me away front eh Calvinist church that I attended for a short time was the pastor whom I ask if he thought that God send babies to hell... he said "only God knows.... "
That was enough to tell me he was a true Calvinist and though I loved the man I knew that God will not judge a man if he was not given a chance to make a choice to do right or wrong.... so why would he send a baby to HELL??? the very creation he chose to live and die for... his creation that he loves would have no choice and end up in hell?
Even Satan had a choice Charles Spurgeon! God is sovereign, and has a wonderful loving character... don't let others teach you any different... not even if he claims to know the secret of Calvinism! It is ALL about Christ my friends, not about any mans reinterpretation of the Bible! Christ's Blessings all!
Once God raises man from spiritual deadness, they are alive and act like living people... so, born again people will act like...well, born again people! am not saved because I "chose" God out of my "free" will.. I was dead and He made me alive. So, human responsibility is 100% in Calvinism.
You can't even spell the name right.. it's "Arminian", not "Arminiast"... how can I expect you at all to know about what you're talking about if you don't even know the name?
Does a practicing Calvinist really know if he will make it to heaven, if he is truly chosen or not? A Calvinist pastor can not really look out to the congregation any given Sunday and tell each and everyone that God loves them and has a plan for their life.... noooo...
Pastor Bob has it right... examine your heart my friend as we all should..... Your rebuke of someone misspelling Arminian gives you grounds to dismiss anything else one has to say... you really do sound like a true Calvinist :0( Where is the grace you are supposed to extend???
I try avoid the label "Calvinism/Calvinist" at times, but there are instances when using it helps me to efficiently reference/represent what I believe, John Calvin didn't make up Calvinism. It is the Word of God whether we call it Calvinism or not.
On the other hand, it's unfortunate that it is commonly believed, contrary to reality, that Calvinism doesn't allow for a necessary emphasis on human responsibility when in fact it does.
This cracks me up. Don't like labels? Not Calvinism or Arminianist? So where do you stand on homosexuality? I'm not for it or against it? Riiiight...you are either one side or the other if you like it or not.
I quite disagree with Pastor Bob. Arminianism is not in the Bible full stop, so if we are true to Scripture or "bibleists" as Pastor Coy puts it we can not accept both.
You nailed it for me Pastor Bob! Just this week I was researching about Calvinism and did agree with him. It brought me back to the WORD of GOD the BIBLE and I thank GOD for His spirit of truth and the truth that is only found in His WORD!
The Bible makes it clear only those chosen( by God) for eternal life will believe Acts 13:48.I know it's cut and dry ,& a very clear verse,yet Arminians will twist and shout,then tell us "nope,it doesn't mean this,it means exactly the opposite of what it says."
CBALLEN 5 days ago
Either your a monergist or synergist
gtxss 1 month ago
Hahaha this guy believes that lazuras helped helped himself come back to life hahaha.
gtxss 1 month ago
Any theology that sets up theocratic states which persecutes/executes dissidents is not of God. They have been detrimental to Christianity.
quemacha 2 months ago
@quemacha Since Roman Catholics are Arminians and they did plenty killing of real Christians,I agree,Arminianism is a travesty and a slap in the face of God.Good comment.
CBALLEN 5 days ago
I wonder how many Calvinists work for Time Magazine.
blarblarism 2 months ago
"they want us to believe that what you believe is what everyone believes"
dispensationalism is also a none biblist doctrine.
student507 3 months ago
Man IS responsible. He is responsible to "be holy, for I am holy". But where Calvary Chapel, and Bob Coy fail to understand is that man blew it. Adam is me, I am Adam. Adam blew it, so therefore we ALL blew it. We failed to be holy and we now bear the consequences. But God in His love for us, did not leave us in failure! His grace was poured out through the love of His Son! And He has CHOSEN for His elect to now BEAR that love and to receive His grace. But man in his pride wants credit for this.
MillerMo10 4 months ago
I believe GOD chose me and that I did not choose him as to not break my arm as i am patting myself on the back boosting about my decision to follow him. Esp 2:8,9 tells us that GOD chose us and not of free will in any thing we can do least we should boast about it. Cut and dry. Now I do believe in 1st and 2nd causes. First is GODs sov will and 2nd in man responsibility.
laurelea 4 months ago
How could anyone even suggest that he's a Calvinist? He's way out of the ballpark on that one. I don't even think he knows where he stands theologically.
scripscan 4 months ago
Arminiast?
JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed 5 months ago
Labels burden? Christian is a label. If you believe in the rapture you are in a label. If you believe that YOU choose Christ, you are in a label. ...Bible-IST - You just labeled yourself.
philliplovelady 5 months ago
"So, get back to the Word of God. Be careful for labels. Bob Coy, a great man, I'm so thankful he lives, I'm so glad he speaks on YouTube. But be very very careful, whether your faith is in the Word of God, or whether it's actually in a man's interpretation of that word...I want to be quoting John and Paul and Jesus and Matthew; I don't want to be quoting Luther and Calvin and Bob Coy as much. Amen? Hope that helps"
whiteunibrow 5 months ago
@whiteunibrow just be careful with quoting Bob Coy.
jjmeyer79 2 months ago
So if Bob Coy does not want people quoting Spurgeon, Calvin, Luther, then why is he on youtube telling people to listen to him????
daboomerang319 5 months ago
Not a very honest exploration on calvinism. People, check out James White´s videos on youtube. He can educate you on this. :)
K1l1Bee 6 months ago 3
It does help. It helps me to see how you can so easily set up a straw man and attempt to position yourself as above the issue. Reformed theology is biblical theology.
MrLevel42fan 6 months ago 4
Bob Coy is correct. The proper "labels" would be "monergist" vs. "synergist".
And Pastor Coy is no doubt a synergist, over and against the biblical presentation, which is monergism. It has nothing to do with Calvin and Arminius, or Augustine and Pelagius...these are simply historic people who were dealing with the same issues Christians must deal with today.
Coy is clearly a synergist;
Reformed Christians are monergists.
rkg62976 7 months ago
@rkg62976 Bob Coy's claim to be a "Bibleist" is fallacious. Monergists claim 'sola Scriptura'...so does Pastor Coy think that monergists don't believe in going to the Bible for their doctrine? Monergists love to go to the Scriptures! And, typically, when they do, the synergist cannot substantiate their position. This is why you will never see Bob Coy engage in a meaningful dialogue with monergists in a cross-examination situation...his traditions would simply collapse.
rkg62976 7 months ago
1) God's utter Sovereignty over the whole of His creation (including the wicked acts of men and demons [ie., fallen angels]) does not take away from man's responsibility; rather, it establishes responsibility.
2) The problem is that most synergists do not have a proper definition of responsibility. They believe that man must have "free will" if they are to be responsible for their actions. But "free will" has NOTHING to do with responsibility.
rkg62976 7 months ago
I never said Calvin had anyone put to death. "You see", my friend you are guilty of doing what you've accused others of doing, "not having the facts straight". "Reportedly" simply means, it has been recorded or stated by someone. Michael Servetus died by order of a council for his "heretical views". Calvin wanted all "heretics", who disbelieved his TULIP model, "punished". Jesus, the Apostles nor the early church believed, taught, or practiced this. All facts...
UBLASTER1 7 months ago
Reportedly, Calvin had men put to death for not believing what he believed, his son in law Jacob Arminius, the father of Arminianism, didn't believe certain "fundamental" truths about the "Christian faith" yet none of us who hold dear to "their doctrine" every sit in meaningful dialogue to understand these diametrically opposing views. We bite and claw at one another, soon to devour one another... We all hold wrong conclusions about a doctrine! One thing I know, a house divided can't stand...
UBLASTER1 7 months ago
@UBLASTER1 "Reportedly". You see? That's the problem. You did no work to see what had actually happened to Servitus. I do agree with you regarding having meaningful dialogue but let's get our facts straight and then we can go from there.
daddysapp1111 7 months ago
A good example of a person trying to make people think that he knows what he is talking about while he doesn't know much about the subject at all. He can't even get the labels correct... arminist? Really? Calvary Chapel theology... a mile wide and an inch thick, no wonder why so many Chapelites are flocking to reformed theology.
ronathanedwards 7 months ago 3
umm what in the world is an "arminist"??
noefts 7 months ago
Yikes!
cwong0000 7 months ago
is not the term "Biblist" another label. Christians need to think more deeply then this.
pudge7 7 months ago
Both camps claim to believe their 'systematic theology' is Biblical. Shouldn't we simply turn to the Scriptures to test which system holds water? I think your comments are an attempt to dodge the issue. God's Word is more than capable of settling the issue. God's sovereignty vs man's responsibility is there really an argument?? If God is truly at the centre of your theology, as it should be if you're a Christian (Deut 6:4-6, Mark 12:30) then you will see the man centredness of Arminianism.
tatboy834 8 months ago
Sorry Bob, not helpful at all. In fact you're (hopefully unwittingly) rather arrogant. Are you saying that Calvinists & Arminians aren't bible believing?? Aren't "labels" just a way to use language so that you have shorter sentences. Wouldn't it be easier to say you're Calvinist rather than have to say I believe in... and outline a presentation on the five points?? Calvanism & Arminianism is a historical debate - saying you're a Biblist (however you define that) creates a category error.
tatboy834 8 months ago
Okay, Mr Coy, let's quote John 6:65:
I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father
Or Paul (Romans 9:16)
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy
Or David (Psalm 139:16)
in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there were none of them
Or Solomon (Proverbs 16:33)
The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD
Don't these scriptures MATTER?
curvalecce 8 months ago
h t t p : / / biblefacts . org / church / CalvinismVsArminianis m% 20 . p d f
this is calvary chapels position in general (not saying its pastor bobs)
written by chuck smith
lavendarfleur 10 months ago
I have attended CC for 7 years. I am of the reformed belief and agree with Calvin on many things. In those years I do not believe I heard Pastor Bob contradict Calvin. I have heard sermons that supported Calvin. Because much of what Calvin taught is undisputed Bible truth. He is closer to Calvin than most think. In the end we will come to realize that our salvation is totally of God and of His choosing. That way God gets all the glory!
MrJCCreative 11 months ago
@MrJCCreative:Calvin let several hundred innocent people get murdered by a mob of fanatics in his self-chosen alleged city of God in Geneva/Switzerland.
How brainwashed are you already ?
Your really have NO eduction in the USA.
But state debts of 13.500.000.000. dollars - 13.5 trillion dollars!
Both done under Reagan-Bush-Cheney + Cheney-Bush.
The rest of Europe will - after you´ve hardly anything to change your horror situation - soon say "that was it - fuck off, America, enough is enough."
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
@MrJCCreative:Geneva 1553:On 20 October the replies from Zurich,Basel,Bern,and Schaffhausen were read and the council condemned Servetus as a heretic.The following day he was sentenced to burning at the stake, the same sentence as in Vienne.Calvin and other ministers asked that he be beheaded instead of burnt.This plea was refused and on 27 October,Servetus was burnt alive atop a pyre of his own books at the Plateau of Champel at the edge of Geneva.
Calvin was no Christian, he was like Hitler.
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
There is no pendulum, there is only a yes or no.
You either believe that God elects and causes you to believe in Him,
or
you believe that you come to faith on your own and God then graces you.
EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER, not a degree of either.
You are not in the middle, from what I have heard of you, you are clearly an arminian (sorry to say).
reformedman 11 months ago
@reformedman:
You are right: To your hypocritical dogmatism is no other sillier + more canting alternative.
Monotonous talk filled with platitudes+hypocritically would-be-"pious" language.
Many reformists even sided with Hitler, doesn´t make us wonder in Germany.
Both churches confessed their guilt after the 2nd world war.
Every year 180.000 catholics + 150.000 protestants leave their churches in Germany - and thank god we don´t have any evangelistic crap here who steal their money again.
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
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Lukewarm synergism... Listener beware. Rom. 8:29-30 "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified."
Rmns12one 1 year ago
"Calvinism is just a nickname for the Gospel." That is all I can say. To call yourself a "bible-ist" is a bit arrogant though, as if Calvin and the other Reformers were not. You say to be careful of who we read and listen to, does that include you? I submit that you have a tradition you impose on the text that you refuse to deal with.
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Mavismamma 1 year ago
John Calvin who murdered over fifty people a "great man?" Very ecumenically put Bob.
xsgtusmc 1 year ago
@xsgtusmc Never heard that about him. Where did you find that? Was it murder or defense? Remember King David killed many more people than that but it was in defense of his country.
MrJCCreative 11 months ago
@MrJCCreative: WIKIPEDIA: " In 1547 Jacques Gruet, a Genevan member of Favre's group, was arrested and incriminating evidence was found when his house was searched. Under torture, he confessed to several crimes including writing the letter left in the pulpit which threatened God and his ambassadors and endeavouring to subvert church order. The civil court condemned him to death and, with Calvin's consent, he was beheaded on 26 July."
A stupid illiterate awful parody of a gentleman you are !
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
@xsgtusmc:The number of people murdered by Calvin+his nazi-like clique in Geneva is estimated to be much higher than even 50,several hundreds are supposed.Calvin was a megalomaniac like Hitler.Michel Servet was also burned by Calvin´s will because Calvin feared the Catholic church which Servet had also officially attacked with fine ironic quotes (+ refuting them at the same moment) from Calvins trash theology, even St Augustine-who was wicked enough-would have got the horror if he´d read Calvin.
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
@xsgtusmc:
Good intention in this comment here+in your channel you play the confused+bash on gays.
Are they your business?
What you say there could bring you to a high fine or eve prison in modern Europe,but i have to register that America is still in the middle or even dark ages.Confused USA with state debts of 13 TRILLION dollars - all harm done by "Christian" politicians in your country.
Better take care that you don´t land in your own hell here on earth already..
"Poor" "poor" America !
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
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rogerlikestohavefun7 1 year ago
Bob, I respect your passion, but at the end of the day, theology matters - and it matters much.
I do have to give you credit: you at least seemed respectful on Calvin's position and to those who agree with him. (You won't find that kind of respect from guys like Dan Corner.) The one thing we have to understand is that Calvin did not make this stuff up as he went along. Everything he penned in the Institutes, he got it from Scripture.
APSOC38 1 year ago
@APSOC38:
Did Calvin also get his "inspriration" for estimated several hundred murders in Geneva (officially 50 murders ordered by Calvin) by the "scriptures" ? Oh yeah, the fuckin old testament is a "great" inspiration for criminal acts of all sorts.
To hell with religion, where it belongs.
MrSKINFLICK 9 months ago
the fact of the matter is, the deeper you go into Scripture the more you realize John Calvin's biblical theology is truth because he got it from the Bible. the only way to see an Arminian view is to either give a very light laymen's reading of the Bible or apply humanistic philosophy and reasoning when interpreting it.
and what is the problem with labels? Are we to go so far with this as not to call ourselves Christians in order not to offend anyone?
TheObservationDeck 1 year ago
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TheObservationDeck 1 year ago
Romans 14:17-19
*For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. *Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads topeace and to mutual edification.
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago 2
I am told by scripture to love my enemy. With whose love am I to accomplish this with? Mine? I had not love until Messiah Yeshua came to dwell in my heart. It is His love loving through me that loves my enemy.
Is it possible the Lord Jesus would ask me to love those He does not?
mtcanz 1 year ago
there is no middle ground. calvary chapel is an Armenian group
fvelilla79 1 year ago
By saying you are a biblicists you mean: I agree with chuck smith, I'm a calvary chapelite. the truh is that you have "systematic theology" already.
fvelilla79 1 year ago
@fvelilla79 Maybe you're a MacArthurite
KenSantarelli 1 year ago
Does a practicing Calvinist really know if he will make it to heaven, if he is truly chosen or not? A Calvinist pastor can not really look out to the congregation any given Sunday and tell each and everyone that God loves them and has a plan for their life....
blessedjohn 1 year ago
for if God really did love them would he be sending babies (yes a Calvinist must include innocent babies) and billions of humans to hell! God loved man so much that he gave him a free will to choose, yet God is still sovereign and his Holy Spirit is a beautiful gentleman... the two do exist in Gods grace
blessedjohn 1 year ago
To study Calvinism, it seems that before John Calvin came onto the seen a few hundred years ago there was no knowledge of TRUE CHRISTIANITY ...
blessedjohn 1 year ago
Was a Christian not really a Christian until Calvin penned his thoughts? Beware of Calvinism my friends.... Bob is being real.... Bob is being kind.... Bob was REAL KIND considering that John Calvin was slightly a control freak whom oversaw more than a few tortures in the name of God of those whom he did not agree with... so much for loving your enemy eh?
blessedjohn 1 year ago
Are we not to judge a man by his fruit... why should Calvin get a pass??? Don't let the doctrine of man trip you up... as Calvinism can do... (and will do if the deceiver has his way)... for to debate Calvinism with a Calvinist is not pretty.... I have had Calvinist tell me if I did not believe as they did, that I was going to hell.... I would never tell them this myself if they based their faith on Jesus Christ and Gods Word....
blessedjohn 1 year ago
Who am I to judge a mans heart anyways... Look at my fruit, if it is rotten then tell me so I can examine my own heart and repent. This repentance is something that Calvin never did publicly till the day he died. Calvin condoned those tortured to death, some burned at the stake in public and though those who were murdered needed the truth, it was just the opposite that Christ would ask us to do.
blessedjohn 1 year ago
According to real history, Calvin had a prideful attitude and could not handle rejection. Maybe this was carried over from the earlier years when he studied with well known humanists in France It is very sad that most Calvinists now have a spirit of pride... I am not saying that those who oppose Calvinism are not proud, yet humility is seldom sensed
blessedjohn 1 year ago
@blessedjohn Logical fallacy... Ad Hominem. And Calvinism didn't derive from Calvin. It derived from the Bible.
SydandReese 1 year ago
As to ask one if Christ died for everyone, a true Calvinist will tell you NO, He will also tell you man has no free will, yet we see man having a free will throughout the Bible (as he did with Adam & Eve, and so on) The one that drove me away front eh Calvinist church that I attended for a short time was the pastor whom I ask if he thought that God send babies to hell... he said "only God knows.... "
blessedjohn 1 year ago
That was enough to tell me he was a true Calvinist and though I loved the man I knew that God will not judge a man if he was not given a chance to make a choice to do right or wrong.... so why would he send a baby to HELL??? the very creation he chose to live and die for... his creation that he loves would have no choice and end up in hell?
blessedjohn 1 year ago
Even Satan had a choice Charles Spurgeon! God is sovereign, and has a wonderful loving character... don't let others teach you any different... not even if he claims to know the secret of Calvinism! It is ALL about Christ my friends, not about any mans reinterpretation of the Bible! Christ's Blessings all!
blessedjohn 1 year ago
So should we trust your interpretation of the Bible, since you are a man?...
SydandReese 1 year ago
You said you want to be quoting Paul, and John and Jesus? Well, read Romans 9, John 6, John 10, John 17.. then you won't be saying that.
Go to youtube. com/lanech or youtube. com/illbehonest for some real biblical foundation.
SydandReese 1 year ago
Pt. 3
Once God raises man from spiritual deadness, they are alive and act like living people... so, born again people will act like...well, born again people! am not saved because I "chose" God out of my "free" will.. I was dead and He made me alive. So, human responsibility is 100% in Calvinism.
SydandReese 1 year ago
Pt. 2
Like christianblazer said... It is in the Bible... regardless of what it's called.
And so you're saying that just because you take a middle position, that you're right? Well, that is truly a logical fallacy...
And lastly, Calvinism does not in any sense deny man's responsibility. Good works (fruits) is evidence that you have been saved.
SydandReese 1 year ago
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SydandReese 1 year ago
You can't even spell the name right.. it's "Arminian", not "Arminiast"... how can I expect you at all to know about what you're talking about if you don't even know the name?
SydandReese 1 year ago
Does a practicing Calvinist really know if he will make it to heaven, if he is truly chosen or not? A Calvinist pastor can not really look out to the congregation any given Sunday and tell each and everyone that God loves them and has a plan for their life.... noooo...
blessedjohn 1 year ago
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SydandReese 1 year ago
Pastor Bob has it right... examine your heart my friend as we all should..... Your rebuke of someone misspelling Arminian gives you grounds to dismiss anything else one has to say... you really do sound like a true Calvinist :0( Where is the grace you are supposed to extend???
blessedjohn 1 year ago 2
CT is calvinist? REALLY? umm... doubtful. otherwise they wouldn't be so emergent-friendly.
jesusfreakrkg 1 year ago
I try avoid the label "Calvinism/Calvinist" at times, but there are instances when using it helps me to efficiently reference/represent what I believe, John Calvin didn't make up Calvinism. It is the Word of God whether we call it Calvinism or not.
On the other hand, it's unfortunate that it is commonly believed, contrary to reality, that Calvinism doesn't allow for a necessary emphasis on human responsibility when in fact it does.
I do think Calvinism is on the rise though.
christianblazer 2 years ago
This cracks me up. Don't like labels? Not Calvinism or Arminianist? So where do you stand on homosexuality? I'm not for it or against it? Riiiight...you are either one side or the other if you like it or not.
hardmod777 2 years ago
Seems ironic that labels are discouraged, yet many would be quick to say "I am a Calvary Chapelite"... or "I agree with Chuck Smith."
diligentile 2 years ago
I quite disagree with Pastor Bob. Arminianism is not in the Bible full stop, so if we are true to Scripture or "bibleists" as Pastor Coy puts it we can not accept both.
motykdot 2 years ago
From a friend and brother at RedeemerNYC: thanks, Bob, for this wonderful message and Good Word.
hfreeman17 2 years ago
I meant to say that I DO NOT AGREE! LOL ...
butterflakisses 2 years ago
You nailed it for me Pastor Bob! Just this week I was researching about Calvinism and did agree with him. It brought me back to the WORD of GOD the BIBLE and I thank GOD for His spirit of truth and the truth that is only found in His WORD!
butterflakisses 2 years ago
Thanks Bob love ya man!
JesusLoveMinistries 2 years ago
great point Bob. Thanks.
andremzk 2 years ago