I think sooner or later we're going to have to reach a stage where we evolve and take people as people. Putting people in boxes - whether race or religion - might well be done with good intentions but in the long run we need to stop doing it.
Hopefully our grandchildren live in a world where these issues aren't relevant. Focus on race and religion keeps the underclass divided and conquered, we have to drop this emphasis to truly move forward as humans
It's also somewhat dangerous to keep "highlighting" a perceived problem because your warning or concern can become reality. Take alcohol for example, British people act up on alcohol not because we're inherently cunts, but because we're told since children that alcohol makes you violent and makes you a dickhead - So people get drunk and subconsciously think they have excuse. Visit Asia, they get drunk and are happy and nice as larry.
I don't believe there's a lack of role models for black children or "youths", the problem if anything is that the role models(this is all subjective anyway so it's naturally a tricky subject) who have existed aren't spoken about or even known.
For me role models are the ultimate cop out though. The only role models a child needs are parents, teachers and an all round sense of community. A lack of role models if anything is the effect of a problem, not the cause.
You're right Genesis. As a white male I tried to think of white role models myself when the subject of lack of black role models was brought up, really, I couldn't think of any. The ones I could think of, for my personally, would probably be rejected as Communists or something (thinking like Chomsky, Howard Zinn etc). I suppose there are many great scientists and theologians who are white, but at the same time there's also many ground breaking black scientists and theologians.
the way u gotta look at is are they reflecting you as a person?? forget skin color, we are our own person im white an no white person on t.v. reflects who i am, it's just t.v.
do we need more bleakness about ourselves. REAllY? No positive outcome? what is the real messege that theres no way out ? but start learning to......rap or shoot hoops ..football.... were trapped son...trapped. LOL
Good points but the whole situation about young blacks in this situation is offensive nevermind whether it's the truth. our situation for our young is offensive white people dont see this as acting they see this as us! wheres the balance? just cos we recognise the characters were supposed to be pleased just cos blacks are on tv portraying negative stereo types? If you wanna see how it's done watch the wire or fresh!
When I watched it. I instantly realized how accurate it was. I think it just tells it how it is. There's no morals of the story or none of that. It just how it is and i think people need to see that.
thought it started off good but the last episode was so shit............. they tried to cram 2 much into 4 episodes, should have been a series, learned more about the characters and not had as much drama in it
actually cubans tried to ban the making of scarface, the scene when he was in freedom town had to be filmed in california instead of miami because the cubans said they were going to bumrush the spot. nuff people hated scarface when it came out and it didnt win any awards.
Good topic man, Ima have a look at the show myself. Nevertheless, i think the wider point that you touched on is the frequency of the negative portrayal of black individuals. In a majority of media if there is a black character he or she is the one with issues or has negative attributes. Heck even in the sci-fi movies the black guy always dies . LOL See 'Predators 2009' But on a serious note i don't object to this show off the bat it's just we need some balance in the way we are portrayed. PEACE
@omdway agreed...its the balance thats needed...and i kinda think elijah genesis has forgot one of the top historians david starkey said "whites have adopted black culture" on the world renowned bbc..as a reason for the recent riots..so that were constantly portrayed negatively people would be apprehensive of ANOTHER drug drama..which is usually all were put in..but i liked the show.but it wud b great to have MORE positive shows.
Trouble is, ppl can't stand reality on screen when that reality does'nt fit with their worldview. Whether that reality is good or bad, the truth is the truth, for real.
I think sooner or later we're going to have to reach a stage where we evolve and take people as people. Putting people in boxes - whether race or religion - might well be done with good intentions but in the long run we need to stop doing it.
Hopefully our grandchildren live in a world where these issues aren't relevant. Focus on race and religion keeps the underclass divided and conquered, we have to drop this emphasis to truly move forward as humans
PolitricksOnline 2 months ago
It's also somewhat dangerous to keep "highlighting" a perceived problem because your warning or concern can become reality. Take alcohol for example, British people act up on alcohol not because we're inherently cunts, but because we're told since children that alcohol makes you violent and makes you a dickhead - So people get drunk and subconsciously think they have excuse. Visit Asia, they get drunk and are happy and nice as larry.
Even analysis can have negative effects.
PolitricksOnline 2 months ago
I don't believe there's a lack of role models for black children or "youths", the problem if anything is that the role models(this is all subjective anyway so it's naturally a tricky subject) who have existed aren't spoken about or even known.
For me role models are the ultimate cop out though. The only role models a child needs are parents, teachers and an all round sense of community. A lack of role models if anything is the effect of a problem, not the cause.
PolitricksOnline 2 months ago
You're right Genesis. As a white male I tried to think of white role models myself when the subject of lack of black role models was brought up, really, I couldn't think of any. The ones I could think of, for my personally, would probably be rejected as Communists or something (thinking like Chomsky, Howard Zinn etc). I suppose there are many great scientists and theologians who are white, but at the same time there's also many ground breaking black scientists and theologians.
PolitricksOnline 2 months ago
the way u gotta look at is are they reflecting you as a person?? forget skin color, we are our own person im white an no white person on t.v. reflects who i am, it's just t.v.
realmofchaos100 2 months ago
You're not the minority...... You fill up most of my CD collection. I'd call that the majority ^___^
jaiharman1 3 months ago
do we need more bleakness about ourselves. REAllY? No positive outcome? what is the real messege that theres no way out ? but start learning to......rap or shoot hoops ..football.... were trapped son...trapped. LOL
solreavir 3 months ago
your right about the censorship and if it's coonery it's coonery and we need to recognise it for what it is!
solreavir 3 months ago
Good points but the whole situation about young blacks in this situation is offensive nevermind whether it's the truth. our situation for our young is offensive white people dont see this as acting they see this as us! wheres the balance? just cos we recognise the characters were supposed to be pleased just cos blacks are on tv portraying negative stereo types? If you wanna see how it's done watch the wire or fresh!
solreavir 3 months ago
Its actually set in hackney but filmed in south london.
nevascared123 3 months ago
When I watched it. I instantly realized how accurate it was. I think it just tells it how it is. There's no morals of the story or none of that. It just how it is and i think people need to see that.
nevascared123 3 months ago
Real talk.
Papoose316 3 months ago
the same people talking about negative stereotypes will be the first talking about the 'wayward youth' and babyfathers etc. they need to be easy.
DoMiNaTeOLDErWoMeN 3 months ago
thought it started off good but the last episode was so shit............. they tried to cram 2 much into 4 episodes, should have been a series, learned more about the characters and not had as much drama in it
wagooairlines 3 months ago
its like sayin all muslims are terriost
MrAloo14 3 months ago
it,s real fuckin life
people dont watch scarface or godfather and go ahh its a steroypical how cubain n itailan
no1 sayin ahh its gorlified
its fuckin shown real life n watch like u wacthin scarface or the wire soaparno,s
and we can grow and make program on the side as u said 'the whole spectrum'
hopefully man ,urban stigmatize on ideeoit ting
bare of these other white folks see bare man rappin chat about shottin go on like yeah "they are like That"
MrAloo14 3 months ago
@MrAloo14
actually cubans tried to ban the making of scarface, the scene when he was in freedom town had to be filmed in california instead of miami because the cubans said they were going to bumrush the spot. nuff people hated scarface when it came out and it didnt win any awards.
DoMiNaTeOLDErWoMeN 3 months ago
Watched it today pretty dope
Snoopy187brap 3 months ago 2
Good topic man, Ima have a look at the show myself. Nevertheless, i think the wider point that you touched on is the frequency of the negative portrayal of black individuals. In a majority of media if there is a black character he or she is the one with issues or has negative attributes. Heck even in the sci-fi movies the black guy always dies . LOL See 'Predators 2009' But on a serious note i don't object to this show off the bat it's just we need some balance in the way we are portrayed. PEACE
omdway 3 months ago 6
@omdway agreed...its the balance thats needed...and i kinda think elijah genesis has forgot one of the top historians david starkey said "whites have adopted black culture" on the world renowned bbc..as a reason for the recent riots..so that were constantly portrayed negatively people would be apprehensive of ANOTHER drug drama..which is usually all were put in..but i liked the show.but it wud b great to have MORE positive shows.
mrdk216 3 months ago
deep
ThatboySlimH 3 months ago
good vid man
comedystylings 3 months ago
I think your right regardless negative or positive its a realistic drama, possibly the most realistic urban uk drama next to Circle Of Revenge.
OmegaTheEnding 3 months ago
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OmegaTheEnding 3 months ago
Trouble is, ppl can't stand reality on screen when that reality does'nt fit with their worldview. Whether that reality is good or bad, the truth is the truth, for real.
sofaking105 3 months ago 2