i don't care about gay marriage because it's legal where i live, canada. the fact that it's still illegal in the US is so archaic and silly, like who cares lol.
@miggie777 well for atheists they don't perceive it as a religious thing. And what you're trying to imply is that anyone that's atheist shouldn't have the right to get married?? We're all human and everyone should be treated equally with respect. That's what he's trying to get across.
If you expect people to respect your beliefs just because you're religious they you should respect a gay couples' choice to marry. No-one's more important than other people around them, remember that.
why should people pay attention your youth inexperienced dont have a clue about life person? its obvious that you have no convictions about who you are and what you believe in because its so easy to have an oppinion about some thing without any cares in the world. its not about getting into peoples business. its about messing with somebodies belief dude. it marriage is a religious thing why are athiest trying to mess with it??? im a christian and have my beliefs just dont mess with my bible.
@miggie777 NO ONE is messing with your bible. Marriage is NOT a purely religious event in the U.S. One does not need to step foot in a church to get married under the present definition, so it makes little sense that religious beliefs should enter into this debate at all.
UNDER THE PRESENT DEFINITION! LOL I dont care what these athiest learder try to change or reword what marriage stands for. IT WILL AWAY BE A RELIGIOUS THING! what else are they gonna try to change? remember me when they try to change something personal to you and we see where we stand in the topic.
@schmidtm1010 I guess my point is that anyone who is attracted to their same sex has at least a chance of ultimately having a relationship with a person of their same sex. Hence it being related to topics like gay marriage in my mind.
@schmidtm1010 And I am open to correction as well. I went from believing that gay people are sinful, to believing that being gay and acting on it is not itself morally wrong.
But now that we've demonstrated how flexible we both are, let's return to your statistics issue.
I believe I already mentioned I don't care what the figure is, as it doesn't affect my argument.
I think it was Samuel L. Clemens who wrote "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
@schmidtm1010 I think I need to clarify: there's a difference between simply being wrong and being able to admit there's a POSSIBILITY you could be wrong, which is what I'm saying.
It's the spirit of the debate; being polite, courteous, & respectful to your debatie partner. If the geocentrist in your example isn't willing to entertain the possibility he's misinformed, what's the point of the two debating?
They'll just go in circles round each other. And never agree on who's going round whom.
@schmidtm1010 Well, I've always been of the opinion that one shouldn't argue with the intention of either not compromising or with the intention of merely proving the other person wrong. In my opinion, the point of an argument is to arrive at the truth, so both parties should be willing to make concessions where appropriate and hopefully arrive at a clearer understanding of the issue at hand.
If either party thinks they are 100% right (and refuse to budge) then what's the point of the debate?
@schmidtm1010 Boy, have we run around in circles on THIS topic. And I'm sorry you find me frustrating. Clearly, you are the more mature, sensible individual, patiently putting up with my inability to reason. How gracious of you.
Or maybe you're a glutton for punishment.
I think the issue is that you're going into this argument assuming you're right.
@schmidtm1010 I'm not just talking about gay people; I'm talking about gay people, bisexual people, and lesbians. Since bisexuals have a chance of marrying the same sex, I'm including them in this discussion, but again, I guess I fail to see what real impact the actual percentage of a demographic has on this discussion. They're a minority no matter which way you slice it. But I suppose you're just looking for contestable tidbits anyway...
@schmidtm1010 OOH, I see what you did there. "Identifies" as gay.
The number actually changes from country to country, and varies from 4.1% to 20%, which, by the way, is almost double 2% (the number you cited). And then the number changes even FURTHER when you account for people who have a same-sex attraction but who don't "identify" as gay.
@schmidtm1010 Don't you see how this proves my point even better? 10%, 2%, 90%? Who cares. The point is that nothing changes after the fact. The same percentage continues to not have children. PLUS, if it is 2%, then that's even FEWER non-procreatives to worry about. womp womp.
People out side of US finds it shocking to learn how religion intervenes with the government. Also, it is VERY shocking to know that banks intervenes with government policies as well.
"We support one hundred percent the stand of New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan against gay marriage. We urge all believers regardless of faith to vote those politicians who legalized gay marriage out of office."
Hey dumbass in the video, you obviously are a failure in life. The way you think says so. You're thinking about how it effects someone NOW. But if I have kids, 20 something years from now and that population diminishing gay marriage thing is legalized, and my son can't find a woman that isn't a fag, and other boys and girls who aren't fags can't find non-fags, and the population is dying by the millions, don't say shit.
@circablonk That's your argument? No one will have babies if gay marriage is allowed? Actually the homosexual 10% that isn't having babies right now will continue to not have babies when they're allowed to be married. So in actuality, gay marriage won't affect the population in the slightest.
A) So there will suddenly be MILLIONS more gay people if gay marriage is legalized? Do you believe being gay is a choice? If you (or anyone else on this page) do -
Prove it. Choose to be gay. Go down on someone of the same sex and stay aroused the whole time.
B) Some gay people DO want kids. Some straight people DON'T want kids. There are ways for both to get what they want.
C) There are almost 7 billion fucking people on this planet. Future OVERpopulation is the real issue.
Is there any doubt that the Left is bringing this country down? In fact; with little prodding I’m sure you can get any Liberal to agree, emphatically that their role is to knock the US down a peg or two. A Conservative can talk about America’s extraordinary/unprecedented history in defending the right, promoting freedom and creating wealth…while all the Left will see is inequality and bigotry. There comes a time when we have to start treating cancer like a disease.
Apostle Paul, called to the ministry directly by Jesus Himself. Paul taught baptism into Jesus Christ & the in filling of the Holy Ghost for salvation. If you have not been baptized into Jesus Christ then Paul is NOT talking to you. OUR salvation Journey is a daily fight--read what Paul said.
@CanTake8 NO myth Mr Gayman--it is better if you hear it from us then by Jesus because if you hear it from Him then just bend over and kiss your worn tore ass good-bye.
@wilby1414 "Everything queer is vulgar to us. Filthy, dirty, unclean, ungodly, perverted act of sin. Lust, lascivious, wanton, un-natural, and evil."
Wow, you are totally obsessed. Do you know any words to describe feeding the poor, clothing the needy or ministering to the infirmed; or is homosexuality your entire life? I bet you dream about it. When Jesus asks you why you were so vile to the homosexuals when he was so forgiving to you, what will you say? NOTHING, because Jesus is dead!
@wilby1414 Oh gee, thanks for your instant benevolence. As incongruent as it is with your previous screed of hatred, I'm sure your sincerity is all it seems.
@schmidtm1010 I can only say FUCK OFF. My life is real, examined and honest. I didn't "adopt" a world view, I don't have "feelings," I was incredibly diligent at ignoring and resisting who I am. Your tiny world view thinks your situation applies to everyone else.
@schmidtm1010 So after 16 years in Catholic churches, 4 years in Presbyterian, 12 years in Baptist (including 5 years of Bible College, 6 years of marriage, and 4 years of working in Baptist Churches), I might actually discover that I'm not gay?
Great video. Its a religious bias and blown out of proportion by the same religious bias people. Focus on your own life, focus on being the best christian you can...oh - and dont worry about other people decisions. If God does exist, he will take care of the decisions..you are not God so back off and stop acting like it. - Great video.
@schmidtm1010 "Haha" I pretty much didn't say anything of the kind and have no clue how you read that into it. IF you believe sexual identity is a choice, then the argument that heterosexuality is "natural" doesn't hold water: it's as much a choice as any other identity.
@SanctioFides Not all of them. Farmboys who terrorize the sheep still go on to marry their high school sweethearts, polygamous heterosexuals are still frowned upon even in some Mormon circles, and cousin-marriage is allowed in 25 states, gay marriage is only allowed in 5 (soon 6).
@CanTake8 Sure give me examples of some farm boys and moms marrying sons just cause you don't support polygamy why is it wrong for others you fair weather biggot.
@SanctioFides You dern't read so good. I didn't mention moms marrying sons and I didn't say I disapproved of polygamy -- although I'm still waiting for a woman with three obedient husbands to pop up on media radar. Call me all the names you want, but it sounds like you're projecting.
I find more than 50 statemants and videos from gay people on yt and beside yt who are ichy on straight sex and would abolish straight marige if they could, because of their feeling conserning straight sex.and their personal disgust conserning straight sex. Dont even thing for second you have objectivity to say what is right and wrong.
Unconected to you, you said idiot. Dont make me send you list of straight people who got aids from blood transfusion from gay people. Doesnt cost humanity you say. Humanity will extinct if all people are fagots like you. Why dont you support straight sex, bicycle parades....? We dont have to support you, you fucking fagot idiot, like u dont have to support something that dont interest you.
YEAH...i have to agree with you. Obviously, I am a little late to this video. However, I am NOT late to the argument. I see that people here are against gay marriage. BUT...no one here is complaining about 2nd, 3rd, and 4th marriages. It's OK for a man (or a woman, for that matter) to get married, divorce, and get married a 2nd or possibly 3rd or even 4th time. But, it's not OK for 2 people of the same sex to get married. NOBODY is "screaming" about the sin of divorce. . .because no.one.CARES!
Im going to be completely honest, and I know lots of heterosexual guys will agree, I don't wanna have another guy in my house that Im married to I want a "Hot" wife, preferably one that will go to church with me! Praise God!
@ChrisChriserson But I think you'll agree that gays are the best friends a straight married guy can have:
1. If she's mad at you, she probably told us why and we'll tell you.
2. When her birthday or your anniversary is coming up, we'll be the ones to ask what you're doing and tell you what she saw in the store that she really likes.
3. Superbowl Sunday, we'll help make food and ice beers; take her to brunch, shopping and a movie; set you up with a cleaning service, and everyone will be happy!
by george you made a good argument!! I agree with what you said, no-one cares unless they know and then the majority of people feel the need to make it their business too and argue over it. Kinda frustrates me =/
my best friend got out of the closet a year ago, and i have to admit that it completely changed my mind about gay people (specially gay males). it's sad to admit but it took something like that for me to be pro-gay. before i wasn't anti-gay but i just didn't mind at all; and i think that if you're not supporting a cause you're actually being anti-that-cause since you don't give 'em a hand. any-ways... i'm in favour of gay marriage and gay rights, we need to stop being so closed minded
I can see that the two people involved love each other. i get that. But i still don't think it should be an issue for the national government to solve. it should be left for the states to decide. nothing in our constitution says anything about marriage. Iowa has already allowed this kind of marriage. so whats the big screaming deal? i don't know. move to Iowa if your gay and want to get married.
As a Christian and a full believer of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that Gay Marriage is wrong. That is one reason I DO have a problem with Gay Marriage. The second being is that nature was designed for a male and a female to mate and produce offspring. Gay Marriage doesn't result in any offspring. You might adopt a child, but know that CHILD was caused by sex between man and woman. So I don't care particularly about your Gay Marriage but the GAY'S in general are, non natural & antichrist :(
@ChrisChriserson I am not a Christian. Why should you impose your will on me? I am gay, if i get married i dont impose my will on you. I dont make you marry a person of the same sex.
You think nature was made exclusively for males and females? Did you fail biology 101? Parthenogenesis, autogamy, mitosis... do you know what these are? I dont think you do. Most animals have been shown to have homossexual behaviour, humans are just one of those animals. Yes, you are right, you dont CARE about gays
@Geronamid I care about Gays because we are all human and God loves all of is children, but if you are Gay the Bible says that God the Father specifically states that a man shall not lie with another man as he would with a woman – and if he does, it will considered an abomination in His eyes. The second verse then says that homosexuality is one of the sins that will keep you from being able to enter into heaven and will literally get you thrown into the pits of HELL. Gay = HELL! Sorry its law!
@ChrisChriserson Guess what? Your very own Jesus taught that you are to love those who are most difficult to love and show even more love to your enemies, so I guess you don't quite believe in Jesus as fully as you profess. Gay marriage doesn't produce offspring, true. Lesbian marriage does. What about infertile heterosexual couples or elderly heterosexuals, should they be able to marry? Plenty of heterosexual couples choose not to have children, should they be allowed to marry?
To be fair, many of those researchers tend to have very shaky research, and neglect to test for biological factors. On top of that, the rest all state that their research is inconclusive, despite the claims of anti-gay organizations.
"polygamists"
Why not legalize it as well? Doing so would make it easier to prevent some of those "hard working Americans" from marrying underage girls, by making it legal to marry multiple women of a legal age.
Wilfully sinning over & over again is just being disobedient to his word. If you love the Lord Jesus He asked us to do as He commanded to show love towards Him.
Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
@wilby1414 News flash: "Fornication" isn't just for gays and lesbians. As far as "keep my commandments," do you keep the Sabbath holy, or do you go to Home Depot?
@wilby1414 Nope, don't need to justify my love, especially to you. I know all about religious and conservative anti-gay propaganda. I think the biggest hoax is religion and the pick-and-choose way it is practiced. Your first calling from "god the father" and "his son jesus christ" is to go out into the world and find unbelievers and compel them to come into the fold. Furthermore, "they" (meaning unbelievers) will know you are christians by your love. You make your religion disgusting.
@CanTake8 Paul, called to the ministry directly by Jesus Himself. Paul taught baptism into Jesus Christ & the in filling of the Holy Ghost for salvation. If you have not been baptized into Jesus Christ then Paul is NOT talking to you. OUR salvation Journey is a daily fight--read what Paul said.
1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway
@schmidtm1010 answer my question: tell me again why did i have to serve in the army, have to pay (more) taxes (than you) and should not have the same legal rights with my partner? on what grounds can you rationally tell me, my feelinga and love for another grown up are not worth the same as yours??
@schmidtm1010 strictly speaking there is nothing that speaks against it, except that it usually takes heavy abuse and brainwashing for a child, young person to want such a constellation.
so now tell me again why did i have to serve in the army, have to pay (more) taxes (than you) and should not have the same legal rights with my partner? on what grounds can you rationally tell me, my feelinga and love for another grown up are not worth the same as yours??
@schmidtm1010 no it's just plain and simple discrimination according to sexual preferences.
you and your mum, well there are some genetic problems there, your kids might not look their best!
explain to me what gives you the right in a secular state, to refuse someone rights everybody else has, just because of which gender they are attracted to. they have ALL the same duties too, so they should get all the same rights as well.
Ok, I respectfully disagree. It will affect me. As a believer in heterosexual marriage. There are ways that my hard earned tax paid money will make its way to gay couples if gay marriage is legalized. I would not like to see this happen. If legalized then gay couples will be able to apply for welfare (which is another situation altogether) thus having to raise the budget for Major Social-Aid Programs which could take away from the national debt interest thus forcing the national debt deeper
@machelli I totally agree with you if people dont like it then they should just ignore it and not even talk about it, im catholic, was raised straight, but im bi, and you know what?, if people have a problem with it than they can just not talk to me or just not acknowledge that fact, it never has to come into the conversation we can just go on being regular friends or whatever like everyone else. If people dont like it than they should just keep their mouths shut and stay out of others business
@cbarkve44 Gay marriage would have to apply equal benefits to homosexual couples, if legalized. There is definately no doubt about that. However, can you give me empirical data that states that you're going to be paying a serious amount of money and that this is going to be a huge problem? After all, only like 5% of Americans are gay, so you won't be spending much on many. Just the opposite is true for how much money would be entering the state, however. It's why Iowa legalized gay marriage.
@cbarkve44 you are a bigot. As a believer in same race marriage. There are ways that my hard earned tax paid money will make its way to inter-racial couples if inter-racial marriage is legalized. I would not like to see this happen. If legalized then inter-racial couples will be able to apply for welfare thus having to raise the budget for Major Social-Aid Programs which could take away from the national debt interest thus forcing the national debt deeper... Do you see how bigoted you are?
@Duneschilde77 1) well no because all you did was copy and paste my comment and change homosexual and heterosexual to same race and inter-racial. 2) I have had to argue for gay marriage to be legalized in America as a part of an assignment in my political science class. Our debate team lost because it boiled down to "feel good". I'm not sure what the professor meant by that but i did feel that my opposition had a more constitutionally based a argument.
@cbarkve44 So what about the hard earned money of gays? Why should YOU benefit from welfare that comes from taxing gay people? Gay people ALREADY pay taxes but you think they should NOT have welfare? You are ignorant if you think gays dont pay taxes. You are selfish if you want to have welfare but deny gay people the same right.
@cbarkve44 As a hard working homosexual, I have no problem with my hard earned tax payments going to heterosexuals and their children who are in need. Beyond my tax payments, I support SafeHouse Denver and Volunteers of America, and never thought about the sexual nature of the people we are helping. Why are you so selfish?
Not everyone believes in your religion or god which you cannot prove is real yet expects everyone to obey. I don't want your religion to be institutionalized in this country. Sexuality gay or straight is not something that can be encouraged unlike religion. You have not giving any real logical argument against gay marriage.
@MrSinister84 Actually there is no way that any religion can be "institutionalized" in america because in article I of the constitution it is clearly stated that "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" so don't worry about that.
@schmidtm1010 you originally said --> "I believe homosexuality to be immoral, and I do not want my country or my culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means." where I replied with --> "a lot MORE people believe that not allowing gay marriage is immoral. i do not want my country or culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means." to show your hypocrisy.
@schmidtm1010 "should not to be open up as many homes as possible for adoptions, but rather to decrease the necessity for adoptions in the first place."
can't do both? your absolutist views are pretty lame.
@schmidtm1010 a lot MORE people believe that not allowing gay marriage is immoral. i do not want my country or culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means.
shoes on the other foot now, isn't it? hurts a little, right?
Gays want marriage rights, well how about our hetro rights? I want gay bathrooms, how do we know that the person next to us in the locker room isnt a gay? gays and aids infected gays should be marked by tatoo for public safety, its just common sense, gays should have thier own bathrooms, and no not family bathrooms but homosexual bathrooms and any tatoo branded gay caught in the wrong bathroom should be guilty of a sex crime, just like any other pervert, this has gone on for too long.
@schmidtm1010 i don't like religion either and don't want it to be imposed on other people's lives. i want to be free like everybody else. but american's don't get freedom
What a great video, good points. You presented it in a way that, I think, will appeal to many. I live in Indiana. We have recently suffered through the "ban gay marriage" vote. 40-10. Sad. Always happy to see a new reasoning or argument. You did a good job avoiding the ridiculous arguments and cutting straight to the point... who cares? I will be posting this video a lot on my facebook. Trying to raise some awareness. I just want my kids to grow up in a world where they can be themselves.
This is a GREAT video buddy. Very good points. If you're interested, check out my channel and my videos about my feelings on gay marriage bans and how ignorant they are.
Whats the deal? No deal. Gays should have the right to do whatever they want. Gay haters are gays themselves, that are held back by their surrounding to out themselves. Because they are cowards, shy, and full of anger, they start to troll and shout against other gays to feel themselves better. lol. sad individuals. Sexuality should be allowed altogether, it's the most natural and normal thing. Thanks for reading! :)
@schmidtm1010 Also, in the spirit of compromise, I'd like you to know that I agree that sexuality is a choice in as much as we choose to act on our feelings. While people may not have control over to whom they're attracted, they do have control over whether or not they ask that person out on a date.
@schmidtm1010 How does it strongly influence the culture of the country in which it is implemented? If you're going to bandy about a Slippery Slope argument, you need to be able to cite A.) cause for your predicted unsatisfactory last step and B.) WHY that last step is unsatisfactory.
ALSO, it wasn't a ridiculous question, and you know it. I believe you don't want to answer it, because you fear losing ground in this discussion, which again is a symptom of this turning into a wall-yelling expo.
@machelli This might interest you: 56% of U.S. Catholics believe that sexual relations between two adults of the same gender is not a sin, and 43% of U.S. Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian people to marry.
These numbers don't mean much to the debate we're having, but the time will come when you will be in the minority of your own religious community.
If the Pope were to say "Gay Marriage: i'm cool with it!" would you be okay with that? Or would you have to convert to something else?
@schmidtm1010 Actually, you can propose someone with a dilemma which has no good outcome. It's called a thought experiment.
You're resisting any common ground with me. This isn't a debate; it's two people yelling at a wall, and expecting it to move.
Also, you didn't respond to my concession about privately funded religious charities being protected from law suits for excluding those who do not practice their religion.
@schmidtm1010 You didn't answer my question. You can't just opt out. As someone who constantly references the "reality of the situation," I'm sure you can agree that children existing in foster care and orphanages is a reality which we face. So, given the current state of things, would you rather have a child remain in an orphanage, or be adopted by a same-sex couple?
Let's assume that no other couples are interested in adopting this child.
Well, then propose a law to protect religious charities from discrimination. As I said, as long as they are PRIVATE, non-government funded (in any way) religious organizations, I see no reason for them to suffer a law suit for denying service to someone who doesn't practice their religion.
If this is such a big issue - as you claim it is - then would you be satisfied if that kind of protection came along with the legalization of same-sex marriage?
Re: 4.) Actually, I do. Who cares if they can change? That's not the point. If they can change, then heterosexuals can change too, and no progress has been made one way or the other. IF SEXUALITY IS FLUID, then the real question is a utilitarian one: what makes the individual happiest without negatively affecting others?
Some homosexual people would answer "being heterosexual," and some homosexual people would answer "staying as I am."
@machelli And then you would have to label heterosexuality just as much a choice as homosexuality. I guess I fail to see the awesome conclusion in all that.
Because this all depends on your judgment of heterosexuality as intrinsically GOOD.
And if that's what you aim to prove...to assign a kind of ultimate value on both of these things, I don't think we're going to reach any kind of consensus.
Or were you hoping I was going to say "sexuality is set, it cannot be changed?"
But let's take another look at this: Marriage is not under attack, 50% of marriages DO NOT currently end in divorce, the divorce rate has actually been DROPPING over the last several years.
Marriage is a great way to form a stable, long-lasting family. And I think that's what most people want. Straight and gay.
And I would say that it is indecent and disrespectful to refer to homosexual individuals as "people who practice homosexuality."
But I suppose delicate phrasing like that helps make it easier to ignore the fact that homosexual people have just as much choice over to whom they're attracted as do straight people.
@machelli "It's not the way to accomplish the integration that needs to happen. It's like Antebellum south; this is why there's still racial tension all over the place."
If you can't see the point I was driving at in that statement, I encourage you to take a second look at it.
@schmidtm1010 This is true. But straight couples are legally allowed to get married to (in theory) someone they love and care for, whereas that is not the case with gay couples.
And I can already imagine your mind doing cartwheels: "Well, so what do you say to the person who wants to marry his cousin or his dog?"
Seriously consider the rebuttal to this question before you ask it.
@schmidtm1010 Haha! I should have clarified. That's my fault. Private religious organizations. Besides, I think you'd be hard-pressed nowadays to find an American restaurant that actually would deny service to a homosexual individual. It's bad business. Their bottom line is to make money, whereas a religious organization's bottom line (in theory) is to uphold the tenets of that religion.
@schmidtm1010 I don't agree with any private organization being forced to cater to homosexual individuals right now. It's not the way to accomplish the integration that needs to happen. It's like Antebellum south; this is why there's still racial tension all over the place. It's a slower process, but at least an organization would make this decision on their own terms. And - as long as there are state-sponsored alternatives to their services - there shouldn't be an issue.
@STRUTTER777U It is heartless to tolerate the continued existence of a worldview that marginalizes young people to the point that suicide seems appealing.
@STRUTTER777U RIGHT! Because the reason they're committing suicide must be because they're gay! If they existed in a vacuum with no one else around them, they would still feel the need to kill themselves, clearly.
@schmidtm1010 Again with the ad hominem. My Catholicism has nothing to do with this.
I'm glad one specific book reaffirmed your convictions, but you can't ignore the fact that - as I've already said - the majority of peer-reviewed studies in this area show that children raised by a same-sex couple are not put at a disadvantage, and actually grow up better adjusted than the average child raised by heterosexual parents.
@machelli This, by the way, is coming from the Canadian Psychological Association, the Australian Psychological Society - and last but most relevant - both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
@machelli AND the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Child Welfare League of America, the North American Council on Adoptable Children, and the Canadian Psychological Association.
@schmidtm1010 It would only affect religious Charities if those charities are receiving money from the state. If they are indeed exclusively religious charities that collect their funds privately, then they have nothing to worry about and have the legal right to refuse service to whomever they wish.
@schmidtm1010 I will address the religious freedom issue, as I think this is a popular misconception. Gay marriage would not force churches to marry same-sex couples. It would merely allow them to be recognized by the government. Churches would not get involved in this. So that issue is taken care of.
Your hate speech argument is a form of Slippery Slope.
But, speaking out against ANYTHING is not always considered hate speech. It's how you speak out that determines that qualification.
@schmidtm1010 Ah, but the majority of sociological and psychological studies are on my side. If we take the "countless" out of that sentence and bother to tally up the total of peer-reviewed studies, I will come out on top there.
@schmidtm1010 But in any case, we have gotten FAR off topic. I have yet to see a real reason from you why marriage should be denied to same-sex couples. That, after all, is what this discussion (and if you remember, what the original video) was about.
So how about you explain to me what tangible harm would befall American citizens upon the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Also, if you could adhere to the rules of logic, that'd be great. No Ad Hoc, no Ad Hominem, no slippery slope...
@schmidtm1010 "So it seems like I understand the gay community better than you!"
I'm sure it seems that way to you.
I've got to tell you, though, as a member of said "community," the perception that gay people on average are dangerously promiscuous is false. I know homosexual guys who have had fewer partners than most straight guys. These same people have had their long-term relationships last longer than straight people.
@schmidtm1010 And, as a homosexual man myself, I can tell you that my experience differs GREATLY from these studies done during the Oscar Wilde free-love days of the homosexual "revolution," as it were. Judging the present-day homosexual population by what occurred in the 70s-80s would be like judging American heterosexuals by what the sexual mindset was in the 60s. Do you think that's fair? Do people have the same attitude toward sex and fidelity that they did when hippies roamed the Earth?
@schmidtm1010 You're making the error of thinking that there really is a gay community that all thinks the same and has the same agenda. Homosexual people are just as varied, just as different from one another as is anyone else.
@schmidtm1010 1.) Actually, the current consensus by the scientific community is that there is nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality. I don't know where you're getting your summation from, but it certainly is not representative of the APA, for example.
2.) I'm not a practicing homosexual. I'm a professional one. That was a joke, by the way.
3.) Would you have every Catholic who masturbates change their religion?
@schmidtm1010 it's not that 156 gay couples is not representative, it's that they were not gathered randomly. They were within the author's network of friends, his social circle. It's kind of bad scientific rigor.
I thought we already dealt with the Catholicism issue. What does my religion have to do with whether or not Homosexuality is okay for others?
You can't dismiss a study just because it is old, you have to read it and analyze it, see if there is any bias or errors to dismiss it. That would be like dismissing newtons idea that gravity pull stuff down just because he found that out years ago.
i don't care about gay marriage because it's legal where i live, canada. the fact that it's still illegal in the US is so archaic and silly, like who cares lol.
lmtwinkle 4 weeks ago
Well said (:
parrotpainter 1 month ago
@miggie777 well for atheists they don't perceive it as a religious thing. And what you're trying to imply is that anyone that's atheist shouldn't have the right to get married?? We're all human and everyone should be treated equally with respect. That's what he's trying to get across.
If you expect people to respect your beliefs just because you're religious they you should respect a gay couples' choice to marry. No-one's more important than other people around them, remember that.
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yeah his right does it effect u?
MrLachlander 5 months ago
why should people pay attention your youth inexperienced dont have a clue about life person? its obvious that you have no convictions about who you are and what you believe in because its so easy to have an oppinion about some thing without any cares in the world. its not about getting into peoples business. its about messing with somebodies belief dude. it marriage is a religious thing why are athiest trying to mess with it??? im a christian and have my beliefs just dont mess with my bible.
miggie777 5 months ago
@miggie777 NO ONE is messing with your bible. Marriage is NOT a purely religious event in the U.S. One does not need to step foot in a church to get married under the present definition, so it makes little sense that religious beliefs should enter into this debate at all.
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vechorik 3 months ago
UNDER THE PRESENT DEFINITION! LOL I dont care what these athiest learder try to change or reword what marriage stands for. IT WILL AWAY BE A RELIGIOUS THING! what else are they gonna try to change? remember me when they try to change something personal to you and we see where we stand in the topic.
miggie777 3 months ago
@miggie777 Actually marriage was around before organized religion
TheSparky777 1 month ago
@schmidtm1010 I guess my point is that anyone who is attracted to their same sex has at least a chance of ultimately having a relationship with a person of their same sex. Hence it being related to topics like gay marriage in my mind.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Awesome possum.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 This is also why I really hate playing the citation game.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I think there's a chance I may not have directed your attention to the fact that you and I were citing statistics for DIFFERENT THINGS.
Hence the confusion and our joint assertions that the other was wrong.
You were correcting me, and I was correcting you, and we were actually talking right over each other.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Bad habit, I guess.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 And I am open to correction as well. I went from believing that gay people are sinful, to believing that being gay and acting on it is not itself morally wrong.
But now that we've demonstrated how flexible we both are, let's return to your statistics issue.
I believe I already mentioned I don't care what the figure is, as it doesn't affect my argument.
I think it was Samuel L. Clemens who wrote "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I think I need to clarify: there's a difference between simply being wrong and being able to admit there's a POSSIBILITY you could be wrong, which is what I'm saying.
It's the spirit of the debate; being polite, courteous, & respectful to your debatie partner. If the geocentrist in your example isn't willing to entertain the possibility he's misinformed, what's the point of the two debating?
They'll just go in circles round each other. And never agree on who's going round whom.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Well, I've always been of the opinion that one shouldn't argue with the intention of either not compromising or with the intention of merely proving the other person wrong. In my opinion, the point of an argument is to arrive at the truth, so both parties should be willing to make concessions where appropriate and hopefully arrive at a clearer understanding of the issue at hand.
If either party thinks they are 100% right (and refuse to budge) then what's the point of the debate?
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Boy, have we run around in circles on THIS topic. And I'm sorry you find me frustrating. Clearly, you are the more mature, sensible individual, patiently putting up with my inability to reason. How gracious of you.
Or maybe you're a glutton for punishment.
I think the issue is that you're going into this argument assuming you're right.
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I'm not just talking about gay people; I'm talking about gay people, bisexual people, and lesbians. Since bisexuals have a chance of marrying the same sex, I'm including them in this discussion, but again, I guess I fail to see what real impact the actual percentage of a demographic has on this discussion. They're a minority no matter which way you slice it. But I suppose you're just looking for contestable tidbits anyway...
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 OOH, I see what you did there. "Identifies" as gay.
The number actually changes from country to country, and varies from 4.1% to 20%, which, by the way, is almost double 2% (the number you cited). And then the number changes even FURTHER when you account for people who have a same-sex attraction but who don't "identify" as gay.
machelli 6 months ago
Could anyone tell me what's the name of this song played in the video?
falattio69 6 months ago
@falattio69 Yeah, it's called "Half-Assed Waltz," and you can find it on iTunes if you search for "machelli."
machelli 6 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Don't you see how this proves my point even better? 10%, 2%, 90%? Who cares. The point is that nothing changes after the fact. The same percentage continues to not have children. PLUS, if it is 2%, then that's even FEWER non-procreatives to worry about. womp womp.
machelli 6 months ago
People out side of US finds it shocking to learn how religion intervenes with the government. Also, it is VERY shocking to know that banks intervenes with government policies as well.
America is very corrupted.
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pantomime1000 6 months ago
Hey dumbass in the video, you obviously are a failure in life. The way you think says so. You're thinking about how it effects someone NOW. But if I have kids, 20 something years from now and that population diminishing gay marriage thing is legalized, and my son can't find a woman that isn't a fag, and other boys and girls who aren't fags can't find non-fags, and the population is dying by the millions, don't say shit.
circablonk 6 months ago
@circablonk That's your argument? No one will have babies if gay marriage is allowed? Actually the homosexual 10% that isn't having babies right now will continue to not have babies when they're allowed to be married. So in actuality, gay marriage won't affect the population in the slightest.
machelli 6 months ago 3
@circablonk
A) So there will suddenly be MILLIONS more gay people if gay marriage is legalized? Do you believe being gay is a choice? If you (or anyone else on this page) do -
Prove it. Choose to be gay. Go down on someone of the same sex and stay aroused the whole time.
B) Some gay people DO want kids. Some straight people DON'T want kids. There are ways for both to get what they want.
C) There are almost 7 billion fucking people on this planet. Future OVERpopulation is the real issue.
arayalrio 6 months ago
@circablonk Go the fuck away!!
DannX68 6 months ago
Nobody prevents you from entering sham marriages or from living a life in misery. Let all others be happy.
The problem with gay marriage is there is no problem.
multitalentino 7 months ago
Is there any doubt that the Left is bringing this country down? In fact; with little prodding I’m sure you can get any Liberal to agree, emphatically that their role is to knock the US down a peg or two. A Conservative can talk about America’s extraordinary/unprecedented history in defending the right, promoting freedom and creating wealth…while all the Left will see is inequality and bigotry. There comes a time when we have to start treating cancer like a disease.
mdstalla 7 months ago
Apostle Paul, called to the ministry directly by Jesus Himself. Paul taught baptism into Jesus Christ & the in filling of the Holy Ghost for salvation. If you have not been baptized into Jesus Christ then Paul is NOT talking to you. OUR salvation Journey is a daily fight--read what Paul said.
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway
Even Paul could be a castaway for sinning
wilby1414 7 months ago
@wilby1414 Your myth has nothing to do with me. I'm getting weary of christians who are FASCINATED by what I do in bed and go nuts thinking about it.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 NO myth Mr Gayman--it is better if you hear it from us then by Jesus because if you hear it from Him then just bend over and kiss your worn tore ass good-bye.
wilby1414 7 months ago
@CanTake8 You're obsessing about my ass again. Vulgar christian histrionics always make me laugh. Thank you!
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8
Everything queer is vulgar to us. Filthy, dirty, unclean, ungodly, perverted act of sin.
Lust, lascivious, wanton, un-natural, and evil.
So keep laughing!
wilby1414 7 months ago
@wilby1414 "Everything queer is vulgar to us. Filthy, dirty, unclean, ungodly, perverted act of sin. Lust, lascivious, wanton, un-natural, and evil."
Wow, you are totally obsessed. Do you know any words to describe feeding the poor, clothing the needy or ministering to the infirmed; or is homosexuality your entire life? I bet you dream about it. When Jesus asks you why you were so vile to the homosexuals when he was so forgiving to you, what will you say? NOTHING, because Jesus is dead!
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 Had to catch yourself at the end there didn't you?
How about this--Jesus wants you and me to turn from sin because it is sin that seperates us from His LOVE.
His LOVE is based on obedience to His commandments & not by feelings. Sin is disobedience & that is what seperates us from His true LOVE.
Good-luck with your life!
wilby1414 7 months ago
@wilby1414 Oh gee, thanks for your instant benevolence. As incongruent as it is with your previous screed of hatred, I'm sure your sincerity is all it seems.
CanTake8 7 months ago
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Are you QUEERS trying to justifying sucking another mans penis?---and the rest?
Try and try and try all you want Mr. Girly MEN but you are up a creek without a hope in hell.
READ the Born Gay Hoax -- 3w's. freewebs.c0m/theborngayhoax/theoriginof.htm
wilby1414 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Assume whatever feeds your soul.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I can only say FUCK OFF. My life is real, examined and honest. I didn't "adopt" a world view, I don't have "feelings," I was incredibly diligent at ignoring and resisting who I am. Your tiny world view thinks your situation applies to everyone else.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010 So after 16 years in Catholic churches, 4 years in Presbyterian, 12 years in Baptist (including 5 years of Bible College, 6 years of marriage, and 4 years of working in Baptist Churches), I might actually discover that I'm not gay?
CanTake8 7 months ago
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CanTake8 7 months ago
Great video. Its a religious bias and blown out of proportion by the same religious bias people. Focus on your own life, focus on being the best christian you can...oh - and dont worry about other people decisions. If God does exist, he will take care of the decisions..you are not God so back off and stop acting like it. - Great video.
playwfire 7 months ago
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CanTake8 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010 "Haha" I pretty much didn't say anything of the kind and have no clue how you read that into it. IF you believe sexual identity is a choice, then the argument that heterosexuality is "natural" doesn't hold water: it's as much a choice as any other identity.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010 There are a lot of people who have realized religion is mostly a result of childhood programming.
CanTake8 7 months ago
Do Bestialitists, Poloygomists, Incestist get the same rights to marriage?
SanctioFides 7 months ago
@SanctioFides Not all of them. Farmboys who terrorize the sheep still go on to marry their high school sweethearts, polygamous heterosexuals are still frowned upon even in some Mormon circles, and cousin-marriage is allowed in 25 states, gay marriage is only allowed in 5 (soon 6).
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 Sure give me examples of some farm boys and moms marrying sons just cause you don't support polygamy why is it wrong for others you fair weather biggot.
SanctioFides 7 months ago
@SanctioFides You dern't read so good. I didn't mention moms marrying sons and I didn't say I disapproved of polygamy -- although I'm still waiting for a woman with three obedient husbands to pop up on media radar. Call me all the names you want, but it sounds like you're projecting.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 LOL weeping for society rather nice exchange though.
SanctioFides 7 months ago
I find more than 50 statemants and videos from gay people on yt and beside yt who are ichy on straight sex and would abolish straight marige if they could, because of their feeling conserning straight sex.and their personal disgust conserning straight sex. Dont even thing for second you have objectivity to say what is right and wrong.
zigifrojd 7 months ago
Unconected to you, you said idiot. Dont make me send you list of straight people who got aids from blood transfusion from gay people. Doesnt cost humanity you say. Humanity will extinct if all people are fagots like you. Why dont you support straight sex, bicycle parades....? We dont have to support you, you fucking fagot idiot, like u dont have to support something that dont interest you.
zigifrojd 7 months ago
YEAH...i have to agree with you. Obviously, I am a little late to this video. However, I am NOT late to the argument. I see that people here are against gay marriage. BUT...no one here is complaining about 2nd, 3rd, and 4th marriages. It's OK for a man (or a woman, for that matter) to get married, divorce, and get married a 2nd or possibly 3rd or even 4th time. But, it's not OK for 2 people of the same sex to get married. NOBODY is "screaming" about the sin of divorce. . .because no.one.CARES!
rvngexisntxjstce 7 months ago
Im going to be completely honest, and I know lots of heterosexual guys will agree, I don't wanna have another guy in my house that Im married to I want a "Hot" wife, preferably one that will go to church with me! Praise God!
ChrisChriserson 7 months ago
@ChrisChriserson But I think you'll agree that gays are the best friends a straight married guy can have:
1. If she's mad at you, she probably told us why and we'll tell you.
2. When her birthday or your anniversary is coming up, we'll be the ones to ask what you're doing and tell you what she saw in the store that she really likes.
3. Superbowl Sunday, we'll help make food and ice beers; take her to brunch, shopping and a movie; set you up with a cleaning service, and everyone will be happy!
CanTake8 7 months ago
wow... you're gay .
stupidbitcheverlive1 7 months ago
by george you made a good argument!! I agree with what you said, no-one cares unless they know and then the majority of people feel the need to make it their business too and argue over it. Kinda frustrates me =/
miss4getful 7 months ago
my best friend got out of the closet a year ago, and i have to admit that it completely changed my mind about gay people (specially gay males). it's sad to admit but it took something like that for me to be pro-gay. before i wasn't anti-gay but i just didn't mind at all; and i think that if you're not supporting a cause you're actually being anti-that-cause since you don't give 'em a hand. any-ways... i'm in favour of gay marriage and gay rights, we need to stop being so closed minded
91lilfrozone23 7 months ago
I can see that the two people involved love each other. i get that. But i still don't think it should be an issue for the national government to solve. it should be left for the states to decide. nothing in our constitution says anything about marriage. Iowa has already allowed this kind of marriage. so whats the big screaming deal? i don't know. move to Iowa if your gay and want to get married.
cbarkve44 8 months ago
@schmidtm1010 So would it be OK with you to abolish heterossexual marriage if it was voted by the majority?
Geronamid 8 months ago
@Geronamid good luck with that one though
cbarkve44 8 months ago
I dont like Gays, as simple as that.
zorkor 8 months ago
@zorkor You don't like all of us? You might know some gays and lesbians who just won't tell you.
CanTake8 7 months ago
are you gays ?
jopaulGlue 8 months ago
As a Christian and a full believer of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that Gay Marriage is wrong. That is one reason I DO have a problem with Gay Marriage. The second being is that nature was designed for a male and a female to mate and produce offspring. Gay Marriage doesn't result in any offspring. You might adopt a child, but know that CHILD was caused by sex between man and woman. So I don't care particularly about your Gay Marriage but the GAY'S in general are, non natural & antichrist :(
ChrisChriserson 8 months ago
@ChrisChriserson I am not a Christian. Why should you impose your will on me? I am gay, if i get married i dont impose my will on you. I dont make you marry a person of the same sex.
You think nature was made exclusively for males and females? Did you fail biology 101? Parthenogenesis, autogamy, mitosis... do you know what these are? I dont think you do. Most animals have been shown to have homossexual behaviour, humans are just one of those animals. Yes, you are right, you dont CARE about gays
Geronamid 8 months ago
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ChrisChriserson 7 months ago
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@Geronamid I care about Gays because we are all human and God loves all of is children, but if you are Gay the Bible says that God the Father specifically states that a man shall not lie with another man as he would with a woman – and if he does, it will considered an abomination in His eyes. The second verse then says that homosexuality is one of the sins that will keep you from being able to enter into heaven and will literally get you thrown into the pits of HELL. Gay = HELL! Sorry its law!
ChrisChriserson 7 months ago
@ChrisChriserson really? what law is that?
the bible is not a law book
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago 6
@ChrisChriserson except it is seen in nature
and anti christ really? youre stretching
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CanTake8 7 months ago
@ChrisChriserson Guess what? Your very own Jesus taught that you are to love those who are most difficult to love and show even more love to your enemies, so I guess you don't quite believe in Jesus as fully as you profess. Gay marriage doesn't produce offspring, true. Lesbian marriage does. What about infertile heterosexual couples or elderly heterosexuals, should they be able to marry? Plenty of heterosexual couples choose not to have children, should they be allowed to marry?
CanTake8 7 months ago
1. there should be separation between church and state.
2. it's been legal in canada for almost 6 years
nothing bad as happened in canada so far.....
Mieklet 8 months ago 8
@schmidtm1010 i thought you wouldn't be able to answer.
lorofcb2 8 months ago
@schmidtm1010
"To be fair..."
To be fair, many of those researchers tend to have very shaky research, and neglect to test for biological factors. On top of that, the rest all state that their research is inconclusive, despite the claims of anti-gay organizations.
"polygamists"
Why not legalize it as well? Doing so would make it easier to prevent some of those "hard working Americans" from marrying underage girls, by making it legal to marry multiple women of a legal age.
xlanciferionx 9 months ago
Wilfully sinning over & over again is just being disobedient to his word. If you love the Lord Jesus He asked us to do as He commanded to show love towards Him.
Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Fornication is against God's commandments
wilby1414 9 months ago
@wilby1414 News flash: "Fornication" isn't just for gays and lesbians. As far as "keep my commandments," do you keep the Sabbath holy, or do you go to Home Depot?
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 Are you trying to justifying sucking another mans penis?---and the rest?
Try and try and try all you want Mr. Girly MEN but you are up a creek without a hope in hell.
READ the Born Gay Hoax -- freewebs.c0m/theborngayhoax/theoriginof.htm
wilby1414 7 months ago
@wilby1414 Nope, don't need to justify my love, especially to you. I know all about religious and conservative anti-gay propaganda. I think the biggest hoax is religion and the pick-and-choose way it is practiced. Your first calling from "god the father" and "his son jesus christ" is to go out into the world and find unbelievers and compel them to come into the fold. Furthermore, "they" (meaning unbelievers) will know you are christians by your love. You make your religion disgusting.
CanTake8 7 months ago
@CanTake8 Paul, called to the ministry directly by Jesus Himself. Paul taught baptism into Jesus Christ & the in filling of the Holy Ghost for salvation. If you have not been baptized into Jesus Christ then Paul is NOT talking to you. OUR salvation Journey is a daily fight--read what Paul said.
1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway
Even Paul could be a castaway for sinning
wilby1414 7 months ago
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@schmidtm1010 answer my question: tell me again why did i have to serve in the army, have to pay (more) taxes (than you) and should not have the same legal rights with my partner? on what grounds can you rationally tell me, my feelinga and love for another grown up are not worth the same as yours??
lorofcb2 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 strictly speaking there is nothing that speaks against it, except that it usually takes heavy abuse and brainwashing for a child, young person to want such a constellation.
so now tell me again why did i have to serve in the army, have to pay (more) taxes (than you) and should not have the same legal rights with my partner? on what grounds can you rationally tell me, my feelinga and love for another grown up are not worth the same as yours??
lorofcb2 9 months ago
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@schmidtm1010 no it's just plain and simple discrimination according to sexual preferences.
you and your mum, well there are some genetic problems there, your kids might not look their best!
explain to me what gives you the right in a secular state, to refuse someone rights everybody else has, just because of which gender they are attracted to. they have ALL the same duties too, so they should get all the same rights as well.
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lorofcb2 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 it is as some people have a right others don't have, based on what gender the person they love has.
lorofcb2 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 so limiting gay people's freedom is an expression of the latter?
lorofcb2 9 months ago
Ok, I respectfully disagree. It will affect me. As a believer in heterosexual marriage. There are ways that my hard earned tax paid money will make its way to gay couples if gay marriage is legalized. I would not like to see this happen. If legalized then gay couples will be able to apply for welfare (which is another situation altogether) thus having to raise the budget for Major Social-Aid Programs which could take away from the national debt interest thus forcing the national debt deeper
cbarkve44 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 To be clear, what is your reason for not wanting same-sex marriage? Because it will cost money?
machelli 9 months ago
@machelli Right, they used the same "argument" about abolishing slavery. It would be too expensive to do what's right.
spikefivefivefive 9 months ago
@machelli I totally agree with you if people dont like it then they should just ignore it and not even talk about it, im catholic, was raised straight, but im bi, and you know what?, if people have a problem with it than they can just not talk to me or just not acknowledge that fact, it never has to come into the conversation we can just go on being regular friends or whatever like everyone else. If people dont like it than they should just keep their mouths shut and stay out of others business
Capthunter95 8 months ago
@cbarkve44 Gay marriage would have to apply equal benefits to homosexual couples, if legalized. There is definately no doubt about that. However, can you give me empirical data that states that you're going to be paying a serious amount of money and that this is going to be a huge problem? After all, only like 5% of Americans are gay, so you won't be spending much on many. Just the opposite is true for how much money would be entering the state, however. It's why Iowa legalized gay marriage.
GentlemanThunder7 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 you are a bigot. As a believer in same race marriage. There are ways that my hard earned tax paid money will make its way to inter-racial couples if inter-racial marriage is legalized. I would not like to see this happen. If legalized then inter-racial couples will be able to apply for welfare thus having to raise the budget for Major Social-Aid Programs which could take away from the national debt interest thus forcing the national debt deeper... Do you see how bigoted you are?
Duneschilde77 9 months ago
@Duneschilde77 1) well no because all you did was copy and paste my comment and change homosexual and heterosexual to same race and inter-racial. 2) I have had to argue for gay marriage to be legalized in America as a part of an assignment in my political science class. Our debate team lost because it boiled down to "feel good". I'm not sure what the professor meant by that but i did feel that my opposition had a more constitutionally based a argument.
cbarkve44 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 your argument would then go also against heterosexual marriage
idaman12345 9 months ago
@idaman12345 which one are you referring to?
cbarkve44 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 about applying for welfare
idaman12345 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 yes as straight marriages cost gay tax money too...that argument is beyond lame, it's ludicrous!
lorofcb2 9 months ago
@cbarkve44 So what about the hard earned money of gays? Why should YOU benefit from welfare that comes from taxing gay people? Gay people ALREADY pay taxes but you think they should NOT have welfare? You are ignorant if you think gays dont pay taxes. You are selfish if you want to have welfare but deny gay people the same right.
Geronamid 8 months ago
@cbarkve44
"believer in heterosexual marriage"
let me guess, you are a religious bastard.
91lilfrozone23 7 months ago
@cbarkve44
Gay couples can already apply for welfare... separately.
agafaba 7 months ago
@cbarkve44 As a hard working homosexual, I have no problem with my hard earned tax payments going to heterosexuals and their children who are in need. Beyond my tax payments, I support SafeHouse Denver and Volunteers of America, and never thought about the sexual nature of the people we are helping. Why are you so selfish?
CanTake8 7 months ago
@schmidtm1010
Not everyone believes in your religion or god which you cannot prove is real yet expects everyone to obey. I don't want your religion to be institutionalized in this country. Sexuality gay or straight is not something that can be encouraged unlike religion. You have not giving any real logical argument against gay marriage.
MrSinister84 9 months ago
@MrSinister84 Actually there is no way that any religion can be "institutionalized" in america because in article I of the constitution it is clearly stated that "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" so don't worry about that.
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@schmidtm1010 you originally said --> "I believe homosexuality to be immoral, and I do not want my country or my culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means." where I replied with --> "a lot MORE people believe that not allowing gay marriage is immoral. i do not want my country or culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means." to show your hypocrisy.
miyamoopen 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 "should not to be open up as many homes as possible for adoptions, but rather to decrease the necessity for adoptions in the first place."
can't do both? your absolutist views are pretty lame.
miyamoopen 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 a lot MORE people believe that not allowing gay marriage is immoral. i do not want my country or culture to accept such a practice and lifestyle as a healthy thing by any means.
shoes on the other foot now, isn't it? hurts a little, right?
miyamoopen 9 months ago
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Gays want marriage rights, well how about our hetro rights? I want gay bathrooms, how do we know that the person next to us in the locker room isnt a gay? gays and aids infected gays should be marked by tatoo for public safety, its just common sense, gays should have thier own bathrooms, and no not family bathrooms but homosexual bathrooms and any tatoo branded gay caught in the wrong bathroom should be guilty of a sex crime, just like any other pervert, this has gone on for too long.
meattube4u33 9 months ago
@schmidtm1010 i don't like religion either and don't want it to be imposed on other people's lives. i want to be free like everybody else. but american's don't get freedom
lorofcb2 9 months ago
What a great video, good points. You presented it in a way that, I think, will appeal to many. I live in Indiana. We have recently suffered through the "ban gay marriage" vote. 40-10. Sad. Always happy to see a new reasoning or argument. You did a good job avoiding the ridiculous arguments and cutting straight to the point... who cares? I will be posting this video a lot on my facebook. Trying to raise some awareness. I just want my kids to grow up in a world where they can be themselves.
dezshevon 10 months ago
This is a GREAT video buddy. Very good points. If you're interested, check out my channel and my videos about my feelings on gay marriage bans and how ignorant they are.
airwick0905 10 months ago
Whats the deal? No deal. Gays should have the right to do whatever they want. Gay haters are gays themselves, that are held back by their surrounding to out themselves. Because they are cowards, shy, and full of anger, they start to troll and shout against other gays to feel themselves better. lol. sad individuals. Sexuality should be allowed altogether, it's the most natural and normal thing. Thanks for reading! :)
shairaptor 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 that must be the most ludicrous argument i have heard in this debate. *handsovertheaward*.
i have once seen a study...oh my
lorofcb2 10 months ago
"It is love that makes a family, but it is marriage that protects it.”
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shenadoa 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Great to hear.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Also, in the spirit of compromise, I'd like you to know that I agree that sexuality is a choice in as much as we choose to act on our feelings. While people may not have control over to whom they're attracted, they do have control over whether or not they ask that person out on a date.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 A. The one you were alleging was ridiculous. The one you didn't answer.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 How does it strongly influence the culture of the country in which it is implemented? If you're going to bandy about a Slippery Slope argument, you need to be able to cite A.) cause for your predicted unsatisfactory last step and B.) WHY that last step is unsatisfactory.
ALSO, it wasn't a ridiculous question, and you know it. I believe you don't want to answer it, because you fear losing ground in this discussion, which again is a symptom of this turning into a wall-yelling expo.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli This might interest you: 56% of U.S. Catholics believe that sexual relations between two adults of the same gender is not a sin, and 43% of U.S. Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian people to marry.
These numbers don't mean much to the debate we're having, but the time will come when you will be in the minority of your own religious community.
If the Pope were to say "Gay Marriage: i'm cool with it!" would you be okay with that? Or would you have to convert to something else?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Actually, you can propose someone with a dilemma which has no good outcome. It's called a thought experiment.
You're resisting any common ground with me. This isn't a debate; it's two people yelling at a wall, and expecting it to move.
Also, you didn't respond to my concession about privately funded religious charities being protected from law suits for excluding those who do not practice their religion.
This is turning into Argumentum Ad Nauseum.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 You didn't answer my question. You can't just opt out. As someone who constantly references the "reality of the situation," I'm sure you can agree that children existing in foster care and orphanages is a reality which we face. So, given the current state of things, would you rather have a child remain in an orphanage, or be adopted by a same-sex couple?
Let's assume that no other couples are interested in adopting this child.
Does the child stay? Or get adopted?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Would you rather have an adoptable child remain in an orphanage or be adopted by a same-sex couple?
machelli 10 months ago
Well, then propose a law to protect religious charities from discrimination. As I said, as long as they are PRIVATE, non-government funded (in any way) religious organizations, I see no reason for them to suffer a law suit for denying service to someone who doesn't practice their religion.
If this is such a big issue - as you claim it is - then would you be satisfied if that kind of protection came along with the legalization of same-sex marriage?
machelli 10 months ago
Re: 4.) Actually, I do. Who cares if they can change? That's not the point. If they can change, then heterosexuals can change too, and no progress has been made one way or the other. IF SEXUALITY IS FLUID, then the real question is a utilitarian one: what makes the individual happiest without negatively affecting others?
Some homosexual people would answer "being heterosexual," and some homosexual people would answer "staying as I am."
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli And then you would have to label heterosexuality just as much a choice as homosexuality. I guess I fail to see the awesome conclusion in all that.
Because this all depends on your judgment of heterosexuality as intrinsically GOOD.
And if that's what you aim to prove...to assign a kind of ultimate value on both of these things, I don't think we're going to reach any kind of consensus.
Or were you hoping I was going to say "sexuality is set, it cannot be changed?"
machelli 10 months ago
But let's take another look at this: Marriage is not under attack, 50% of marriages DO NOT currently end in divorce, the divorce rate has actually been DROPPING over the last several years.
Marriage is a great way to form a stable, long-lasting family. And I think that's what most people want. Straight and gay.
machelli 10 months ago
And I would say that it is indecent and disrespectful to refer to homosexual individuals as "people who practice homosexuality."
But I suppose delicate phrasing like that helps make it easier to ignore the fact that homosexual people have just as much choice over to whom they're attracted as do straight people.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 You are smarter than this. Don't try to pretend that I made any such claim.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli "It's not the way to accomplish the integration that needs to happen. It's like Antebellum south; this is why there's still racial tension all over the place."
If you can't see the point I was driving at in that statement, I encourage you to take a second look at it.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 This is true. But straight couples are legally allowed to get married to (in theory) someone they love and care for, whereas that is not the case with gay couples.
And I can already imagine your mind doing cartwheels: "Well, so what do you say to the person who wants to marry his cousin or his dog?"
Seriously consider the rebuttal to this question before you ask it.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Haha! I should have clarified. That's my fault. Private religious organizations. Besides, I think you'd be hard-pressed nowadays to find an American restaurant that actually would deny service to a homosexual individual. It's bad business. Their bottom line is to make money, whereas a religious organization's bottom line (in theory) is to uphold the tenets of that religion.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I don't agree with any private organization being forced to cater to homosexual individuals right now. It's not the way to accomplish the integration that needs to happen. It's like Antebellum south; this is why there's still racial tension all over the place. It's a slower process, but at least an organization would make this decision on their own terms. And - as long as there are state-sponsored alternatives to their services - there shouldn't be an issue.
machelli 10 months ago
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prooragainst 10 months ago
It is heartless to encourage young people to tolerate a lifestyle which all too often leads to suicide or AIDS.
STRUTTER777U 10 months ago
@STRUTTER777U It is heartless to tolerate the continued existence of a worldview that marginalizes young people to the point that suicide seems appealing.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli And the worldview that harms young people in such a way is called homosexualism.
STRUTTER777U 10 months ago
@STRUTTER777U Wow, you REALLY turned my sentiment on its head. Haha. sheesh.
machelli 10 months ago
@STRUTTER777U RIGHT! Because the reason they're committing suicide must be because they're gay! If they existed in a vacuum with no one else around them, they would still feel the need to kill themselves, clearly.
Flawless logic!
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli There is nothing "gay" about homosexuality.
STRUTTER777U 10 months ago
@STRUTTER777U Awesome. That would fit perfectly on a protest sign.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Again with the ad hominem. My Catholicism has nothing to do with this.
I'm glad one specific book reaffirmed your convictions, but you can't ignore the fact that - as I've already said - the majority of peer-reviewed studies in this area show that children raised by a same-sex couple are not put at a disadvantage, and actually grow up better adjusted than the average child raised by heterosexual parents.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli This, by the way, is coming from the Canadian Psychological Association, the Australian Psychological Society - and last but most relevant - both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli AND the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Child Welfare League of America, the North American Council on Adoptable Children, and the Canadian Psychological Association.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 It would only affect religious Charities if those charities are receiving money from the state. If they are indeed exclusively religious charities that collect their funds privately, then they have nothing to worry about and have the legal right to refuse service to whomever they wish.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 I will address the religious freedom issue, as I think this is a popular misconception. Gay marriage would not force churches to marry same-sex couples. It would merely allow them to be recognized by the government. Churches would not get involved in this. So that issue is taken care of.
Your hate speech argument is a form of Slippery Slope.
But, speaking out against ANYTHING is not always considered hate speech. It's how you speak out that determines that qualification.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Ah, but the majority of sociological and psychological studies are on my side. If we take the "countless" out of that sentence and bother to tally up the total of peer-reviewed studies, I will come out on top there.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 But in any case, we have gotten FAR off topic. I have yet to see a real reason from you why marriage should be denied to same-sex couples. That, after all, is what this discussion (and if you remember, what the original video) was about.
So how about you explain to me what tangible harm would befall American citizens upon the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Also, if you could adhere to the rules of logic, that'd be great. No Ad Hoc, no Ad Hominem, no slippery slope...
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 "So it seems like I understand the gay community better than you!"
I'm sure it seems that way to you.
I've got to tell you, though, as a member of said "community," the perception that gay people on average are dangerously promiscuous is false. I know homosexual guys who have had fewer partners than most straight guys. These same people have had their long-term relationships last longer than straight people.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 You don't understand what Oscar Wilde has to do with the concept of promiscuity...?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 And, as a homosexual man myself, I can tell you that my experience differs GREATLY from these studies done during the Oscar Wilde free-love days of the homosexual "revolution," as it were. Judging the present-day homosexual population by what occurred in the 70s-80s would be like judging American heterosexuals by what the sexual mindset was in the 60s. Do you think that's fair? Do people have the same attitude toward sex and fidelity that they did when hippies roamed the Earth?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 You're making the error of thinking that there really is a gay community that all thinks the same and has the same agenda. Homosexual people are just as varied, just as different from one another as is anyone else.
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 1.) Actually, the current consensus by the scientific community is that there is nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality. I don't know where you're getting your summation from, but it certainly is not representative of the APA, for example.
2.) I'm not a practicing homosexual. I'm a professional one. That was a joke, by the way.
3.) Would you have every Catholic who masturbates change their religion?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 it's not that 156 gay couples is not representative, it's that they were not gathered randomly. They were within the author's network of friends, his social circle. It's kind of bad scientific rigor.
I thought we already dealt with the Catholicism issue. What does my religion have to do with whether or not Homosexuality is okay for others?
machelli 10 months ago
@schmidtm1010 Oh, my God! A study from 1974. I figured you were gonna go forward in time, not backwards.
machelli 10 months ago
@machelli
You can't dismiss a study just because it is old, you have to read it and analyze it, see if there is any bias or errors to dismiss it. That would be like dismissing newtons idea that gravity pull stuff down just because he found that out years ago.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 10 months ago