How to make Nitric Acid without a Nitrate Salt!

[demnlordd666]

although I dont like this technology, and you already removed one of my comments about the Ne transformer danger, I did have an idea that might help. though not because of ease or low cost. prob add cost in the long run. but if you charged the rxn chamber with nitrous oxide from a cream charger, the kind use for whipedcream. lt is a source of nitrogen and oxygen starting blocks, dont know if it will assimilate correct oxygen content, but could enrich yeild. just a thought

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* I wanted to send how to make nitric acid without sulfuric acid with a formic acid maked, of formic acid gradually pour in potassium nitrate[KNO3] make red nitric acid or red fuming nitric acid[HNO3] knowed in french Wikipedia of rechearch[acide formique] use traduction google or website traduction google to get it!

*=* Im finished, im stop to send information to you of the overload of information of im make spam in the comment!

I speak french and little english.

*=* Bye A+

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Dehydrogenation with copper[Cu], oxidation with hydrogen peroxide[H2O2] this information are not sure!

*=* I using information to difficulty working to get very complicated information to simplyfied it with my help!

*=* The air contain a fully dinitrogen(N2) gaz and small dioxygen(O2) of make nitrogen monoxide[NO], the hydrogen peroxide[H2O2] turn equation [ 2xNO + H2O2 = 2xHNO3]!

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* I looked in french Wikipedia rechearch[acide formique]!

*=* Acide formique(French) \ formic acid(English)!

*=* The formic acid gradually pour in the potassium nitrate[KNO3] and brucine[I dont know is necessary?] to making potassium formate and red nitric acid[HNO3]!

*=* Formic acid maked be, dehydrogenation of methanol make formol and oxidation of formol make formic acid!

[idahoeaglesilvermine]

tri-pod...pls.

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Use concentration method for hydrogen peroxide[H2O2] of you know the hydrogen peroxide is used for concentrate nitric acid[HNO3], ammoniac[NH3] and dioxygen[O2] mix gas tube to make nitrogen oxide[NO and NO2] and water[H2O] other project...

*=* of sodium hydroxide[NaOH] in ammonium chloride[NH4Cl] make sodium chloride[NaCl] and ammonia[NH4OH], Bye A+

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Very interesting in 6:00, for electric arc, you use carbon[C] with pen, cause make carbon dioxide[CO2]?

*=* I prefer platinum[Pt] make not oxidation and is a metal, metal oxide are solid!

*=* For make hydrogen peroxide[H2O2] use ultrasonic vibration platinum[Pt] metal in water[H2O] can make dihydrogen[H2] and hydrogen peroxide[H2O2] of chemical formula[2xH2O + ultrasonic vibration Pt => H2 + H2O2] in vapor phase to form smoke and...

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Is possible to make nitrogen dioxide[NO2] and nitrogen monoxide[NO] NOx with electric motor?

*=* I never maked chemistry, i haves a parents, bye A+

I speak french and little english.

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Is possible to make nitrogen dioxide[NO2] and nitrogen monoxide[NO] NOx with electric motor?

*=* Bye A+

I speak french and little english.

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* The stuff is mix the magnesium nitrate[Mg(NO3)2] maked be homemade, with sulfuric acid[H2SO4] to make best concentration, magnesium sulfate[MgSO4] are lied of Epsom salt of Epsom salt are magnesium sulfate[MgSO4], and concentrated red fuming nitric acid[HNO3] can be maked in the distillation process, is possible to make white fuming nitric acid[HNO3] with desiccation to remove nitrogen dioxide[NO2] in it!

*=* Knowed in the internet, and i never maked chemistry!

[Agentoxedo07]

Holy-Terrorist:>*=* Is possible to using electric motor for using the air to make nitrogen monoxide[NO] and nitrogen dioxide[NO2], probably haved nitrogen monoxide[NO] in the plastic bag, and the plastic bag in the glass for dissolve nitrogen monoxide[NO] gas in the water to mixing for not have nitrous acid[HNO2] and get nitric acid[HNO3] low, and mixed with base to make[NH4NO3, NaNO3, KNO3 and Mg(NO3)2] its not sure a stuff to make pure nitric acid!

[zvezda07]

it appears that your lab is 1 mistake away from blowing up, i suggest you get organised..

[ikinner]

If you cut out the paranoid safety commentary, this video would be 20 seconds long. Dude! Get to the point! And for all the strict rules, you're doing this in like.. your parents basement? Indoors? hmm.

[jarheadwithm16]

I'm usually not one to waffle about health and safety but I think that you really should have mentioned that this should be performed in a well ventilated area. Even though it is contained mostly, some nitrogen dioxide is still going to get out. Nitrogen dioxide is extremely toxic. Also high voltage wire should be used for the electrical connections. Most jumpers are only rated at around 600 volts. But anyways I think I might try this. I never thought of doing it this way. Good job!

[idahoeaglesilvermine]

Does anybody on this Planet know how to use a tri-pod?

[dean24ish]

where's the ventilation? not all of the nitric oxides will dissolve in the h2o2

[tardotronic]

What happens to the ozone being generated, then? How do you avoid contamination by it?

[MrTruice]

seems like u had many trials i appreciate the informal formula

[packrat541]

Interesting, I tried this using a microwave oven transformer but too much heat started to melt everything and I am surprised that the plastic in your rig is not melting but the aluminum tape seems to act as a heat sink. Good job!

[AdlerMow]

You can make a better generator if you make your "cell" smaller and heat resistant, and put 4-5 cells in series so the gases from one enters another and the gas will get concentrated. It can be efficient enough to constantly pump air in and get a constant flow of gas. You can use a timer, so it keep turning on and off, avoiding the overheating. You can use an acid-resistant screen in the point of hose to make smaller bubbles. It will give much more reation area, using -gas converting +acid.

[fullthrottlequad]

OMG im dizzy from the cam moving around and my brain is loopy trying to understand ur scrabbling instructions ... plz re do a better video

[MrTechGuy1995]

@fullthrottlequad I will

I have a better camera

So I will!

[MrAde9999]

@MrTechGuy1995 and then post it as a response :)

[Ghelimir]

@fullthrottlequad Granted he could use a script before hand, but no need to be hard on our nerdy brethren for being socially awkward. Call it an occupational hazard.

[magetrix9]

STOP MOVING THE CAMERA SO MUCH

[hetrodinepallasoxide]

well using this process and another similar one, terrorists could synthesis enough high explosives in 1 year to blow up a building without leaving a paper trail, as long as they pay there bills ontime, they would never be detected until, boom!!! too late

I think it would be better if the items where sold over the counter then there would be a store owner somewhere to call the FBI, and say that some weird guy bought a ton of precursors, and he is not a farmer.............

[segarza]

@hetrodinepallasoxide Dude...this is 100+ year old technology. The world already knows this and much much more. Don't let the media scare you into a frenzy with the rest of the sheeple. The sky is not falling today, tonite or tomorrow.

[jaws99099]

I'll stick with NaNO3 and H2S04 :) cool vid tho..

[spiff873]

This video demonstrates the concept nicely. Thanks, MrTechGuy.

@regretissin: You misunderstood the 4% figure quoted in Wikipedia on the Birkeland-Eyde process. It refers to the concentration of nitric oxide in the air that passed through the arc. The concentration of the final product would eventually reach a saturation point, perhaps near 70%; but I think that would be impractical because well before that point I believe the solution would begin to dissolve the oxides very inefficiently.

[toothpick93]

The title sounds safe but the procedure... well id rather nitrate salt

[baalisgod666]

To those brainiacs asking why not use Nitrate salts? Because some places it is a restricted product because this can make explosives by terrorists.

[cobrasniper555]

You know, efficiency may be improved if you build an actual jacob's ladder. More area for the plasma to take place at, therefore, more gas introduced to the heat. When you create the vacuum, in order to suck the gas through, it is traveling through the arc but may not contact it enough.

[shiftgood1]

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[shiftgood1]

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[poyss71]

whats your channel?

[poyss71]

awesome

[tricksboss]

Do I need Red Bull to do this?

[pulliamthomas]

No offense dude but it sounds like your in seventh grade

[MrTechGuy1995]

@pulliamthomas The younger the better, try sophomore year! I am dumbing it down a lot, I understand more, just want to make a how to meant for everyone!

[Hume820]

@MrTechGuy1995 If you use a sealed collection vessel with a pressure release valve for safety, will more nitrogen dioxide dissolve increasing the yield of the nitric acid? Also, is it worth while to recycle the NO2 that does not dissolve in the first vessel and send it to a second vessel to react with more H2O2?

[AdlerMow]

@Hume820 Yes! This is the way to go! Higher pressure and lower temperature dissolves more gas. And yes, its a good idea to recycle the NO2. I did not read your comment, so i wrote about this too. Its better to use several gas cells in series so the NO2 gets concentrated. I thinking about using a ultrasonic humidfier and a destilation set, so it will have much more reaction area, so you get a higher yield.

[ProfessorWilbur123]

@pulliamthomas I guess it turns out he is pretty smart for his age and experience...

[turbosnigel777]

You knowe that NOx is mor toxic then Cl gas? Givs you permanent lungdamages.

I dont see your fumehood och hear you informing about the risks involved.

If you ar going to talk about risks, dont skipp to mention the most serious one.

Most people already knove highvoltage is dangerous, but breating residual NOx dont absorbed might be missed by noobs...

Birkeland--Eyde is by the way a rotating plasma disk in a magnetic feald... So this proses in not caled Birkeland-Eyde...

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[MrTechGuy1995]

@turbosnigel777 I know, NOx or NO2 is a Free Radical, and it is a carcinogen! But I don't care, You will die from The Transformer before you even knew what you were touching. I was fucking lucky, I was semigrounded.

[Demonchld666]

@MrTechGuy1995 a shock from a 10kv neon transformer will make ya toss a screwdriver acrost the room, not kill ya. maby if u r weak or REALLY STUPID. high voltage make ya jump not grab, as long as we r talking bout neon sign TF. other high voltage deff kill if amp/situation enough. I would be much more pissed about the no gasses I am breathing and the lack of any significant amount HNO3, than poss of embarasment of a funny twitch. buy some fucking KNO3 or NaNO3 dumbass

[MrTechGuy1995]

@Demonchld666 Dude 9kV and 30mA will kill you, You are fucking stupid. It causes cardiac arrest, and your heart to stop.

[yellowmetalcyborg]

@MrTechGuy1995 You're better off just using a nitrate salt. Why are you using a roundabout method if you can just buy pounds of nitrate salt for a dozen bucks?? That power supply is more expensive than the glassware and reagents needed to make the same amount of acid.

It's interesting how young people think they're indestructible and can take on the world. Some like to destructively distil wood indoors, without a fumehood. Others play around with NO2 indoors, without proper ventilation.

[MrTechGuy1995]

@yellowmetalcyborg This is a Roundabout method for people who don't have a Direct method to buying it or is under the age of 18.

[yellowmetalcyborg]

@MrTechGuy1995 The world is pretty screwed up if people under 18 can get a hold of a neon sign transformer and yet cannot buy fertiliser from their local gardening store.

[regretissin]

Kristian Birkeland the creator of the process wasn't able to attane a concentration of more than 4% and he was using controled air flow and magnetic fields to controle the shape of the plasma disk

[regretissin]

I admit that I didn't read the description before I posted however you clame that you expect a 30% nitric acid solution when

[regretissin]

what you have is a crude generator that uses the Birkeland-Eyde process. however under ideal conditions this process is very energy intensive requireing more than 1.5 Kw to produce 100 grams at the low concentration of around 4%. This comtraption however is far from ideal and i doubt that any signifigent amount of nitric acid would be produced

[MrTechGuy1995]

@regretissin Don't mean to be rude, You're stating the already stated in description. -.-

[shmuunk]

Whats the output of your transformer? 10.000 v?

I would also like to know what you payed for it (:

Im thinking of building one myself, but I´ll try to use pyrex or some other heat-resistent glassware. Have you ever had trouble with the NOx corroding the plastic?

Approx what is the longest run-time you´ve had?

I know its a lot of questions but I'd appriciate it if you´d answer :) // Cheers from Sweden!

[MrTechGuy1995]

@shmuunk It's 9000 volts, I had a friend give one to me. I never had problem of NOx corroding them, and I had it run for about an hour At most is what I recommend any further you could overheat the transformer or the bowl! :D Enjoy!

[fortuneplant1]

I am using a computer power supply giving 12 volts which could create an arc between two carbon rods of at least 1.5 cm. and i think it gets really hot .Could it work for this project?

[MrTechGuy1995]

@fortuneplant1 Umm.... Try it, It might take a long time, But you should get NOx, Becareful that it doesn't melt anything!

[fortuneplant1]

So you mean to say that I could use the carbon arc to produce nox even if it doesn't require high voltages all I need is an inch gap? 

[MrTechGuy1995]

@fortuneplant1 Well higher Voltage means bigger gap... The Closer the gap, the Less area there is for electrons to flow, the less NOx will form in a constant time. Don't try this with your House Mains, It will not work! You need a Transformer to step up the voltages to create a stream of electrons.

[fortuneplant1]

How long would I run the arc to produce considerable amounts of nitric acid?

[MrTechGuy1995]

@fortuneplant1 Well.... It depends, I'd say 1 inch gap for 10 min = around 5 liters of NOx, Be Careful It gets really Hot, Turn it off and on and keep flowing it into 20mL Hydrogen Peroxide. You get a 11 Molarity. Don't take my word for this, it's all estimation. This is the reason why it is NOx X= various nitrogen compounds. But mostly NO2. So This varies yata yata yata.

[fortuneplant1]

Could I use carbon arc light to produce nitric oxide?

[MrTechGuy1995]

@fortuneplant1 Well, Depends on the arc, The bigger the arc the more NOx you create.

[fortuneplant1]

Could I use carbon arc light to produce nitric oxide ?

[nattsurfaren]

This is very interesting. Probably the best video I've seen on making NOx. There is one other method that I don't think require very high voltage. You know in the old days cinema projectors used carbon arc projection lamp. So I did some experiments a long time ago with the carbon core of a normal pen. Then i attatched each carbon rod to a car battery charger. When short circuiting the rods to each other there where a bright light. This can be used to make NOx. End of allowed chars to type.