1972 olympic champions

[bigislander72]

...with this lift, the issues of momentum and leg drive are eliminated, as these are allowed in a push-press. It would be easier to judge as a jerk with dip-drived-dip and push-press with dip-drive-press are fundamentally different. Rule could be once the drive has been completed, the lifter cannot drop down under again.

[skirts365]

No wonder they ditched the "press" but damn it, they should have kept it and made it ultra strict by purist standards. Those laybacks were sinful and asking for spinal problems.

[bigislander72]

@skirts365 I have thought about this and come to the comclusion that a truely, 100% strict press is like two perfectly parallel lines that extend infinitely without crossing. Both exist only in theory but not in reality. All one can hope for is a press with as little momentum and leverage as possible, but no matter what, some will be present. Hence the difficulty in judging the lift.

What I would like to see someday that is to me more feasable is to institute the push-press as a lift...

[skirts365]

@bigislander72 Well---how about as a competitive lift without any clean---lifter sits on floor with legs stretched out knees straight, back must be kept erect. Spotters hand him pair of dumb bells or kettlebells. He takes load at shoulders, obligatory 3 second pause, then either makes the press or fails it.  No way to even get back into it, back only supports the lift, it can't "help" it up by shifting. But they don't like this idea for same basis as power lifters---strict uses MUCH less lbs!

[bigislander72]

@skirts365 Cool idea for determining raw upper body strength! Also, how about competitve floor presses for powerlifters?

[skirts365]

@bigislander72 Power lifts are great if done strict, seems to be too much depreciation from pure form, short range squats, bench press with "gear." How about the PL's instead, with shorts, shoes and T-shirt only, see how much weight in addition to bodyweight, they can do in a butterfly? Butterflies are puny insects not like wasps who bully them. But on still rings, start from dead hang, more weight around ankles and/or waist, the butterfly takes huge chest and shoulder strength to rise to top

[rinor456789]

And what about te broken record by Albanian "Ymer Pampuri"

[ajawright]

Hi Les,my Grandfather Paul Newberry was the Coach for the New zealand Weightlifting team, Olympics in Munich. He passed away this year at the age of 82.