@MrGidderz Wow, I prayed last week that someone would bring up Christopher's name I had searched for days through the other video's but no conversations were about him since it's been awhile since he passed. I never thought it would be on this one though MrGidderz seems that for a reason God chose you, on another day I will come back and give the message. (not enough time)
@MrGidderz Sure you have free will you always will but God touched you just for a moment. The day that Christopher Hitchens died I honestly didn't know who he was but the moment I heard it on the news an overwhelming sadness came over me that stayed with me all day long. I remember thinking what's wrong with me why do I feel so sad for someone I never knew and why does it stay with me. It wasn't till later when I read the news online and read that he was of Jewish descent that it
@OurStrength1 finally made sense to me, the sadness I felt wasn't from me it was from God, this had happened to me before months earlier but that time it only lasted a few minutes. He let me know that he wanted me to reach his Jewish people and let them know that he has always been there for them, he has always loved them and he wants them to be with him. The feeling of sadness and love were so strong that there were tears, it was really an amazing feeling
@OurStrength1 So I understand now the sadness for Mr Hitchens he never turned to God, but the Holy Spirit told me to pray for his soul so I ask every Christian out there who reads this to say a prayer for him.
Evid3nc3 probably that does not change you perspective, but you said in your video: "He never said I will give you the truth", maybe you missed the passage in John 18:37-38, Jesus says: "For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice." I think you should correct this part of your video. Btw very interesting videos that makes you think, but as you know one day we will know what is the truth
I used to be very "religious" in a sense when I was younger but I became atheist while I was still very young, although I didn't label it. I didn't have to go to church and had no religious family or friends. I kind of looked down on overly religious people but these videos have given me a lot to think about, not in terms of whether God exists but the fact that religious people do need help and even if I don't believe, I should be more careful when confronting people who are'nt ready. Great vid.
Oh, and psilocybin mushrooms was also the final nail in my belief in an kind of immortal soul. In the most intense part of the trip, my emotions and personality were so foreign and fluctuating so much that is suddenly occurred to me, a moment of clarity in non-sobriety, that if these chemicals could change so much of what I considered "me," how the hell did I expect anything remotely like what I consider "me" to survive brain death?
Interestingly, I've never really been religious and just sort of became an atheist on my own around 13 or 14, and yet the sensations you're describing the next day at 5:10 remind me very much of right after the first time I tried psilocybin mushrooms, when even after hallucinations, the colors, textures, and everything I took for granted about the real world suddenly felt bizarre and unnatural, but now years later, it's an experience I treasure.
Notice that the athiest professor said "For christ's sake chris!". Oh the irony! Joking aside, these series of videos has given me alot to think about.
even if you don't believe he's there talk to him anyway cause I know he's there and hears you, and you never know he may send you the revelation you've been searching for. God wants every single one of us with him he doesn't want to lose not even one it's true.
You fell that's all, you were dragged down because of your disobedience your lack of faith your questioning of God. If God wants to save the souls of the other atheists out there what makes you think he would just toss you away, you, the one who was with him for so long the one who knew him, you need to get yourself back up and stand strong we only have a few short years left on this earth. Yes finally Jesus is coming, please believe.
You are calling him disobedient for questioning, investigating and exploring.
In doing so you are demonstrating his very point that "faith" and "the truth" are mutually exclusive.
All he asks is that YOU consider the possibility that your concept of god is no more plausable than Thor, Allah, Krishna, Zeus or any of the other fictitious surrogate parent.
Threatening this couragous and intelligent author by saying "jesus is coming" makes you no better than Harold Camping.
@Roj0307 At the end of the book of Revelation God tells us not to add or take away from the Bible, if I was to spend my time trying to figure out why this book has 10 and the other book has 9 all that would say to God is that I had doubt about his words and show disrespect and disobedience. Well that's not me my faith is strong and complete and for that reason he sends me dreams and messages, Jesus is coming is not meant as a threat but a warning not just for atheists but for Christians as well.
If one of them were to question your judgement and law, even daring to point out inconsistencies and instances of poor parenting how would you react? Punish them?
What then if your child even chose to disrespect you and curse you, and even reject you - how might you react now? Would you burn them for eternity?
No. You wouldn't. You are better than this. Your love is UNCONDITIONAL.
@Roj0307 I would be devastated if one of mine came to me with doubts but I know it will never happen they know God exists and that he has blessed them, their friends call them "lucky" but luck has nothing to do with it and my kids know it. I pray for them everyday for protection and they are the first to hear whatever God sends me. I have only known God to be loving and kind and merciful and very patient and that's the truth, I can't imagine a hell but the bible speaks of it all I know
@Roj0307 is that he wants us to worship him not all the earthly gods and pray to him and ask for forgiveness for our sins, live the commandments as best we can, help others, it's really not a lot to ask for and most already live decent lives and have compassion. Everyone is given the choice ( I know it's easy for me to say) I do know he wants everyone with him.
@Roj0307 The preacher Camping calculated the month,day and hour on his own he's a Christian he should've known better only God the father knows, the message that was sent to me in a dream was only the year. God has been very loving and patient with me, over a year ago he had sent me a dream of the end and I did nothing, so when this latest dream happened I knew what it meant I only had so much time and I had to get moving, an atheist can only find the truth on their own and that's through prayer
@Roj0307 The message was sent to me, the preacher was guessing. I'm not telling everyone to sell all their belongings and what time to wait, I'm saying prepare your heart there's still time. Christians already know what they have to do to get right with God, one of the messages he sent me was "Cursing is not of God" he shouldn't have to tell us we should already know and some on here don't even hold back they don't even try, the language is terrible.
@Roj0307 There's still time to cleanse the heart and mind is what I'm saying only you don't have years and years like you think. If the end doesn't come then God had his reasons, but I feel it will happen. Of course I will still believe nothing will change that because I already know he exists, for goodness sakes I already know.
@OurStrength1 By deciding for yourself that your held belief is definitely true, you close your mind to any possibility that you are wrong. Thus, you are unable to see your held belief as wrong, even if it is, because you have decided to see it as true, regardless of if it actually is or not.
@genobahamut1337 I always believed even throughout the years when I had stopped attending church and hardly prayed ( I was young and too busy) but I always had my faith and the day my dad was taken to the hospital was the day that brought me to my knees. I knew when I was praying that God was hearing me I just knew, That time of prayer was the first time God ever spoke to me and after my dad passed away I decided that I would continue to pray from then on because of the warm
@genobahamut1337 comfort I had felt, a couple years later as I was waiting outside with my children for the school bus I was fine till I went back inside something evil had followed me, I was in so much pain I laid down and it was whispering gibberish in my ear but I could feel the evil, I turned away and said a few words to God and fell asleep but the pain was excruciating and remember tossing and turning then suddenly I wake up and hear the most beautiful voice praying in a
@genobahamut1337 language I didn't understand, I couldn't see him but heard him clearly I'm not gonna lie it scared me at first but then I realized my pain was gone, he continued praying and at the same time I could hear my husband in the shower and as soon as he turned off the water the praying stopped. How could I not have a strong faith after that? a day or two later I went outside in the morning to check the front gate it was pitch dark out and as I walked to the front I
@genobahamut1337 heard the evil whispering coming from my mother in laws porch that was where I had waited with my children, when I walked back I reminded myself that he heard what I heard and he may have even seen what I couldn't and I knew he couldn't touch me and he didn't. I thank God that he saved me that day I was a healthy person but something was trying to kill me that day. Yes folks satan exists and he's causing a lot of heartache right now in many ways.
@OurStrength1 You're basically telling me that you believe in God because it gives you a warm, comforting feeling. Also, you claim you felt pain when you heard an evil voice, but you have no evidence it wasn't all in your mind, and the praying you couldn't understand might just be your husband's voice muffled by the shower. Of course you weren't touched, there was nothing there to get you. Did you even watch these videos? They give you an explanation for all that.
@genobahamut1337 What I said was during prayer God comforted me with a warmth and love I have never felt here, and so decided to remain faithful and pray everyday and live my life right. Something evil attacked me that day and I know if I had not prayed those two previous years it would've got me, it was an evil gravelly creepy voice whispering nonsense.The angel was real his voice was clear and he was in the same room as me ( I feel that the language was Greek) I guess he left
@genobahamut1337 out of respect cause my husband was coming out, trust me I can tell the difference from a shower running to a beautiful clear voice right there with me. One morning many months later I was saying my prayers and the Holy Spirit says to me " Pray for all your relatives that have died" and so I did afterwards I laid down to sleep for an hour or two to catch up on sleep and I woke up to hear the tv on loud and muffled, I couldn't believe my son was up early and
@genobahamut1337 and watching it so loudly I laid there wondering what was going on with him and then I heard it the angel I recognized him instantly he was praying I laid there wishing I had a recorder to find out what he was saying then I fell asleep. It's such a long story but what had happened is my sister in law had passed away and her spirit came here and she opened the door for others, she was leaving me dimes everywhere I went but the others spirits ghosts whatever were
@genobahamut1337 stealing clothes, taking things bringing them back in minutes sometimes weeks I think my guardian angel must have seen them here and decided it was time for them to go, this really happened I never believed in them before. Then last year my husbands friend (an atheist) died in a head on collision and guess where his spirit decides to go here! but he opened the door to some bad spirits it was different that time I had to pray for help, that's another story.
@OurStrength1 You cannot claim to "know" when you have no evidence. You claim you heard the voice clearly, but you were just waking up when you claim to have heard it, and all the feelings in the world won't prove anything. It can still be all in your mind, regardless of how much you may think you know better. If you would sit down and actually think about it for a minute you'd see how delusional you sound.
@genobahamut1337 I woke up to the voice and though it scared me at first I realized that he was praying for me and I laid there and listened, I was awake I don't need coffee to wake me up, I don't drink it. Of course I sound delusional but I'm alright God would never send me all that he has if I had mental issues or if I was sensitive or if I was weak in faith. I've been called a lot of names on here and that's fine they can't hurt me, God chose me cause he knows I can handle it
@OurStrength1 Bottom line, you have told me nothing that surprises me. Nothing that proves anything, and nothing that isn't already explainable. You only believe because it makes you feel safe. That's fine, though. If it makes you feel safe, then so be it. Believe all you like. But don't go and tell others it's true when you can't prove it. Where you see Satan, I see hallucination.
@genobahamut1337 I can't prove everything it's spiritual but there is one thing I can prove but I'm working on it. I don't see satan and I don't want to some people pray to see hell not me. I'm a very sane person I've never done drugs or alcohol I don't even take aspirin, hallucinations I've never had. I don't expect everyone to believe me I'm a stranger to you guys but I have to tell you the truth. About the end I'm sure you notice a lot is changing in the world here and beyond
@OurStrength1 I view your relationship with your god as a hallucination, but you're free to view it however you like. As for truth, that is something that has to be proven before it can be defined as true to anyone. If you can't prove it, then you shouldn't be preaching it to people. There is a lot of changes in the world today, but the world is always changing. There is no "end time" coming up in the way you see it and I have no idea what you mean by beyond.
@genobahamut1337 I will always tell of God's kindness to me, it amazes me how well he knew me all my life. The only way I can prove of his existence depends on law enforcement, in 2004 led by the holy Spirit I found that we have over 100,000 missing persons and over 40,000 unidentified in the US! I never knew. This is what I was chosen to do is help the families who were and still are praying to find their missing loved ones, most know they're deceased but want to find them and
@genobahamut1337 and give them a decent burial. I found a website that listed many unidentified cases from all the states, I wrote down as many as I could and before I knew it the site was gone and not long after my notes were accidentally thrown away. I searched through other sites but they didn't have as much info as the first,so then I went to the missing site and recognized about five cases that I had seen on the first site and let LE know and other org. and they did nothing
@genobahamut1337 so from then on I have spent contacting medical examiners, coroners, forensic artists etc. with no luck, fast forward to 2008 I'm reading a missing case of a lady who disappeared in 2000 at the time she was fighting her ex for custody of their little girl so after she disappeared her mother had to go to court against son in law to be able to see her grandchild and she won, not long after when she took the child home after a visit she and a friend who lived next
@genobahamut1337 door were shot down on her driveway. I remember feeling so much anger that the person responsible could take these lives and get away with it for so long, so that night I remembered them in my prayers. - more later
@OurStrength1 First of all, your god knows you so well because your god exists in your mind, thus he's going to know you because you know you. Second, what exactly is your story supposed to prove? You basically just said that people go missing, most get killed, and you've had bad luck trying to investigate it. Where is the proof of god in that? Even if you did have some success, that still wouldn't prove anything. Again, stop trying to prove what you simply can't prove.
@genobahamut1337 I said a prayer for them, that the missing lady would be found and for justice, 3 days later I was in my kitchen and out of the blue I receive a vision it was a woman's face it only lasted for about 3 or 4 seconds but I remembered the picture not so much her face but her hair, I had seen her 4 years earlier on that first site I had found that was removed and it was the missing lady I had prayed for 3 days earlier, when he sent the vision he also sent her name -
@genobahamut1337 He had to send her name I would've searched the missing sites forever and never found who she was because she looked absolutely nothing like herself, they starved her so her face was thinner and of course no make up, she had long dark hair before, they chopped it off short and bleached it. The police found her years ago and don't even know it they continue working on her case today, only God knew it was her and he let me know. I contacted the police and let them
@genobahamut1337 know but either they don't believe me or they're just lazy and don't want to search through the database which they're the only ones who have access, so I have to make it easy for them by finding the admin of the site so they can give them the case # so they can id her and it's taking a long time. They're all the same in all the states I've let them know of many others and they do nothing. when I say that God knew me well it's because when I was in my teens that
@genobahamut1337 was my dream to be in law enforcement it would've been perfect for me but of course it didn't happen, and compassion for others I've always had since I was a little girl, and who better to understand and see the heartache on a mothers face because her 2 sons were missing for years and she never knew what happened to them, that was my paternal grandmother she died never knowing. I will keep on and when everything comes together many families will know.
@OurStrength1 Okay, clearly you don't know what a fulfilled vision is. You just claimed to have received a vision and you remembered the hair and had an idea of a name, both of which could have just been your mind remembering this person since you then claim to have seen her on a site before. Then, you claim to have found the woman, but she looks COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from your vision, which you admit you can't remember the face of. Why am I even pretending you can think?
@genobahamut1337 Do you know how many unidentified cases I have read hundreds and missing persons profiles thousands, when I saw the lady's case in '04 I just glanced at the picture real quick but her hair caught my attention cause it reminded me of when my grandma used to cut (ruin) our hair as kids, I was busy writing down all the info about her case and then on to the next. I didn't know her and she looked nothing like herself so the vision 4 years later! meant nothing
@genobahamut1337 without a name and God provided that. So when the day comes that she's id'd and the cops mention that they had no way of knowing it was her and why, you're still going to believe what that it was luck? It's like the guy on one of the other videos who says "if your prayer is not answered there is no God, if your prayer is answered it's coincidence" When this unsolved case is solved I will let you know where to go to read about it.
@genobahamut1337 without a name and God provided that. So when the day comes that she's idd and the cops mention that they had no way of knowing it was her and why, you're still going to believe what that it was luck? It's like the guy on one of the other videos who says "if your prayer is not answered there is no God, if your prayer is answered it's coincidence" When this unsolved case is solved I will let you know where to go to read about it.
@OurStrength1 On top of everything else, your so called god has not managed to help you accomplish anything. Way to go god. Even if things had worked, what about all the other people your god could help, but he chooses not to? Does he intentionally wait for someone to ask him for help with a victim before he'll help the poor people? What kind of god is that? This god is a delusion of your mind. Either realize it or stop trying to prove him to me, cause you can't.
@genobahamut1337 He has helped me it's law enforcement who has done nothing, they're gonna want to kick themselves later, some of them would've received recommendations or promotions I'm sure.To solve a case that's been ongoing for years and when some of the families are well known and respected in the community, but they all choose to ignore all because I mention God I'm not going to deny him to anyone for the sake of sounding "sane" they're going to hear it the way it happened
@genobahamut1337 You have one thing right, you do have to pray to receive it's not going to come without prayer, as for helping the poor it's up to us to help them. He is a loving God but if you don't want anything to do with him you'll never know it.
@OurStrength1 I never said you had to pray to receive. In fact, if you saw the beginning of this series, you should already know that prayer has been proven not to work, and just by watching the last video you'd know that it is most likely your own mind you are talking to. Of course, you're too willing to believe to actually think about this rationally. You can't see that prayer doesn't work or that you could be delusional. If you could, you wouldn't be delusional.
@genobahamut1337 No I said it what you said was does he wait for someone to ask for help and the answer is yes when you ask you pray, prayer works it always has for me if it hasn't for others it's either because they don't have the faith it will be answered or they're breaking a commandment. The last prayer that was answered for me I had asked God something that had been bothering me and that night while I was sleeping a light flashed before my face and before I opened my eyes
@genobahamut1337 I thought it's lightening and when I opened my eyes it wasn't it was a small cross like a star shining in the room very beautiful and I knew I had my answer. It's always amazing to me no matter how he answers or what he sends me but then God is amazing.
This video is where your deconversion begins to depart from mine. I never felt any level of depression. I actually looked at the universe with a new sense of wonder. Wow! You mean this is all a result of natural processes? Awesome!!! I felt free. Well, I continue watching your next video. Great series! One of the best I've ever heard with great detail.
I went through the same experience as a child and no longer believe in religion. However still believe there is a form of god out there. Not in the sense man has made it out to be, but something that initiated the entirety of the universe outside of anyone's understanding. This could simply be a some sort of energy or anything really, but I do not believe if whatever it is would be interested in our life problems or even fate.
These videos is proof of gods existence! The authors quest for truth have led him down this path but his quest started by seeking guidance from God which then obliged and pointed the way to the truth but at the same time away from christianity which is a man made religion with many useful concepts of understanding the human condition but also filled with error, dogma, ritual and man made agendas of control over its subjects.
Similarly I also prayed for revelation and my prayers were answered.
I have not been an atheist for long, so I haven't really reflected on the road that led me here. This was a nice overview, that while different, was similar enough to my own experience to allow me to reflect. Although when I truly stopped believing, it was as dramatic or Earth shattering as this portrayal, even though I was a devout Christian. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I have Asperger's, and emotion has always been something that was less intense to me than to others.
Our story is so similar. And when I remember the moment where I had my hands over my face. I was too afraid to not believe. So I started giving things up. The holidays were pagan, so I gave them up. The true sabbath was Saturday, so I began keeping it in the home. It was inevitably the fear of god coupled with the love that kept me hanging on. I met a friend who reassured me & I let go. It is the hardest step you will ever take; the one away from god.
My emotional part of the brain wants to know what music artist you used right after the 6:59 part of this video. Any information will be highly appreciated. Thanks!!!
Your lucky that your "God simulacrum" only malfunctioned by making you move your bag around. I think mine is giving me night terrors - making me think that shadows in my room have eyes and teeth. I feel if I provoke them they will scare me to death. I'm 31 and I'm having trouble sleeping because of this... Thank goodness I'm not sleeping alone or it would be paralyzing. So much for the "Holy Spirit/God simulacrum" not being a spirit of fear, but of peace, love, and a sound mind.....
George W Bush's law: you become more and more like the people who you spend more time with. So, when you were a christian, you spent more time with christians? and when you started having doubts, and then became an atheist, you spent more and more time with atheists? right? now I think I got it. You are a prime example of "Bush's law."
this video is offensive to Santa Claus, all this talking about God makes it almost to be more real than Santa, when instead they're both made up characters, both unnecessary to explain anything in the real world, both lacking any real evidence.
@advers1078 no, Santa might exist but i'm afraid it is someone you know who brings you gifts on Christmas, still i may be wrong... check yourself if Santa is involved in that.
@Evid3nc3 sincerely, woulnt it have been better if you had never went down this road and stopped when the professor tried to stop you? Isn't that why most christians never question this?
Wow. You went through A LOT. I cannot imagine how huge this was for you. I was a Christian in a Christian family, but I started losing my faith to reason when I was about 13. Religion just seemed illogical and prayer seemed to not do anything at all. I had never heard god, only spoken to him. It was easy, after a few months, to call myself an Atheist.
My question to the author of this series... Lets say God is fake and not real. Yet we know that around 70% of children that grow up without influence, will create a God. This isn't like just sometimes, this is over half the time, a human being will create the idea of a God when given ZERO influence. Do you find that odd?
@bluefootedpig we "know" this? you have no evidence for this assertion. And even IF what you say is true, when there is no parentlal influence, you can't disregard the pervasive influence throughout society that the concept of God has. It is inescapable because our society is governed and guided by people with these beliefs and the beliefs themselves, but that doesn't make it a true belief.
@MrG0dbar I never said it is proof of God. I am merely pointing out a study. Here is one reference, by oxford.
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And there is much more. We are finding out more and more that humans are born pre-programmed. Like we are born knowing how to walk. It is not learned. I guess from this other research, the conclusion is we are born with the idea of a creator. I find it odd that our genetic makeup would cause us to believe that.
You can make the exact same argument for children thousands of years ago growing up with the belief that the earth was flat, or that witches are real, even if their parents had never told them that. There are other influences from the world that simply convince them that it is so. This does not mean these beliefs are true. And what of the 30% of children who DON'T create the comforting idea of a God? Why does benevolent God forsake them? Why are they damned to hell out of hand?
@MrG0dbar I never said it damns them or saves them. I could understand if say, it was 50/50. But we are talking more than half appear to be genetically predisposed to belief in a higher power. For any atheist, that should be a rather interesting area that I would hope they would want to study more.
To me becoming an atheist was never planned. It was a side-effect that occured by education and thinking. I wouldn't even call myself an atheist, as less as I would call myself a non-chinese-person or a non-football-player. By what I did and what I am doing, I just didn't become a theist, so from theistic perspective I am an atheist.
I guess that's the difference if you don't grow up in a very religous family (although I grew up in a religous society).
One thing I have noticed about deconverted Christians... They tend to go to the extreme opposite of believing in a non existent God to Believing in Big Government and Elitist control and somehow Science proves these are good things.
@batfly True, devout Christians tend to seem to want government to regulate morality, but then again, so do liberals. Liberals want to regulate social morality, and right wing wants to regulate personal morality. Either side is dealing in morality, it takes a libertarian to say no to government.
@batfly I have not, any books or preferable online vidoes (as i am a visual learner). I can deal with either, or online books. I can easily look it up, but thought you might have like a favorite video.
@batfly Thanks, i'll respond later with them. Although "why i am no longer a christian" is what I was watching. It was good, and I would recommend it to people, but I find flaws in his logic and he did not convince me. It really doesn't help when you are caught lying. He claims to be AOG, a subsection of Pentecostal, then later uses the saved by faith alone argument. I know for a fact that AOG and Pentecostal do not believe in that. So how is proving what you already don't believe, evidence?
@batfly yeah, i have seen many videos like that. The worst is the RBE. I even tried talking to the actual vent channel on it, but got no one to answer my questions.
It is a system, but alas, we are out of land and thus we need a system to hold so many people. Before, other than your house, all land was "common" land. I'm talking medieval time period. When land outnumbered people, so growing extra crops was just a matter of planting more seeds.
Thanks for the honesty of your videos. While, as a Christian, I disagree with your conclusions, the clarity with which you present your deconversion is refreshing. Too often this debate is clouded by a lack of objectivity on both sides.
What an incredibly personal and touching story. I am sorry for the pain you went through, but am over-joyed that you had the strength to pull yourself away from the fantasy that has sucked in so many people.
off and on for a good chunk of my life. I always defended christianity. I think cuz my parents surely believe it, I feel like I'm defending it for them I guess? I dunno, but my question to any atheist here is, How do you get through problems like mine? When the people I love in my life are certain religion is real, how am I supposed to relate to them? Do I just pretend I'm full christian and continue doing my research? How am I NOT supposed to feel like I'm completely alone if I turn atheistic?
@crackparty "How am I NOT supposed to feel like I'm completely alone if I turn atheistic?"
Depends on how strongly religious your peers are. Where I live, belief in God and being religious are two separate issues, and brining up one doesn't automatically raise the other. Being religious is considered a virtue, but not a requirement for being respected, and belief in God is considered irrelevant. But hey, that's a European country we're talking about. Where you live, it might be different.
@crackparty ... But I suppose a similar approach might work for you as well if, and only if, you bring it upon your peers gradually. For all you know, their opinions about atheists might be as liberal as the opinion in most European countries, which is to say "Meh...". Just don't use the term "Atheist", as it's greatly misunderstood. Heck, I've actually been an atheist for about 5 years now (I'm 21), but only accepted the label last year when I found out the proper definition.
Wow, this series at first seemed like BS. I was thinking "how can this guy just disbelieve in God because some person he talked to on the net". Then as it went on and listened intently..... I realized I am no different than this person at all. Around the 5:30 mark, when he talks about feeling completely alone, that's what I feel like as well. I wasn't brought up in strict religious beliefs, but I was taught all about it and it's the right thing to do. Now I'm not so sure, been feeling like this
Truth vs God--amazing. This is what it really comes down to. "Faith" crumbles under the relentless pressure of facts and logic, until that's the only thing left--you just have to have "faith"--who needs truth? God is truth! That's what the theists say, but it's bullshit--"faith" just means that you are supposed to believe in spite of the facts, in spite of evidence and logic. "Faith" means you are to suspend any critical thinking.
It is hard for some of us to understand, as some of us never believed in god even when going to sunday school and such. As an adult, I am very self reliant, independent, and cynical, so my personality was probably shaped by this fact. It is great that you are providing accounts throughout the process.
At least you deconverted before giving all your money and possessions away in preparation for the recent rapture. ; )
You're quite lucky you could, at least at one time, convince yourself of hearing the word of the divine. I've never been able to. And in light of recent personal failures I am envious of anyone who can summon up that kind of confidence, even if it is just hubris.
Just gotta shake it off, I suppose. Even without a god, I'm certainly not alone.
This video does a great job of explaining the feelings we formerly devout, but truth-seeking Christians run into upon losing God. We didn't grow up disenchanted or godless but found it later. It is hurtful when non-believers don't understand the pain of having such a reality ripped out of your consciousness. My story is ongoing but like Chris's. I was a devout Christian, but also a lover of science and truth. Long story short, I had to choose. Such an inspirational series.
no one is really an atheist, you see atheism increases when you live in a very comfortable life like in the USA, Europe, etc... but once you place these atheists in the INDIA , Philippines, Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc... or have some sickness or problems they start to complain against GOD as though HE is very much responsible with all the bad things happening. Weird belief I say.....in private most atheist believe in GOD but only keeps on blaming HIM and cursing GOD.
@aike75 I would say it's the opposite. People in desperate situations are desperate for something to believe in, a god to comfort them, while the more fortunate of us have the luxury of free thought. So perhaps it's better to say that no one is really a theist, eh?
@aike75 "you see atheism increases when you live in a very comfortable life like in the USA, Europe, etc."
There's a direct correlation between education and religious beliefs. It's not a matter of comfort - it's a matter of knowledge, that allows people to see through the fantasies of religion.
"in private most atheist believe in GOD"
You might as well be claiming "in private, most adults believe in Santa Claus". It carries the same weight.
I had a very similar feeling of thinking I just saw coldness when I looked at people after realizing my religion was incredibly wrong. I felt I was seeing evil, really, and was desperate to think that I wasn't. It took a long time to really feel comfortable in my own skin.
I can't even imagine the psychological implications and damage religion actually does when it is removed from the mind.
Growing up non-religious has its drawbacks though. That voice you described as god has spoken to me too. The problem is that I couldn't make sense of it. I'm not saying that I wanted a religious bullshit explanation but secularism doesn't address that this can happen. Hearing a voice (or a thought that feels separate from oneself rather) is a jarring experience.
@HerrKnitler I believe if you hear voices in your head, and you are religious, it is the voice of God. If you aren't, then you must be a schizophrenic. And we know you don't believe in religion...
I am from the Philippines and I became a christian not because I was ill , had major problems, or I was born into it , no it was because of reason and logic - I guess grace through life questions. What is truth? I guess your dad made a very wrong answer. Jesus said " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE".... through science we know that energy and matter are interchangeable , what if this so called ENERGY that created MATTER might be an intelligent being as we call him GOD ?
@aike75 There's nothing wrong with speculation when it is passed off as speculation, but please do not claim to have fact on your side when you don't. ("The Bible says so" is circular logic, a fallacy.) No one knows precisely how everything came to exist. Aren't mysteries exciting? Do you dislike uncertainty so much that you are willing to make things up to fill the gaps in your knowledge?
@aike75 "Jesus said " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE""
Every religious mythology protagonist declares the same thing - that they are the one speaking the truth about the unknown, that they are the one coming from real God(s), that they are the one teaching "what it takes to get into a superduper afterlife", and of course, they all give the same warning - "If you don't believe my story, your afterlife will suck."
The thing with the bag, you have just reminded me of something I'd forgotten, that I'd never really noticed. I too had those kind of strange commands, I remember once I stood on a street corner for an hour because I thought god was telling me to wait there. I don't know why I never recognised the significance of these strange commands, though eventually I did come to the realisation that it was all a product of my subconscious and imagination. It was my system breaking down as well.
You talk about how your simulacrum started to malfunction, bidding you to do strange things. That really gets my attention: mine had malfunctioned from the very beginning, telling me that I'm an immoral coward who deserves hell. And of course it went downhill from there. But the idea of "malfunction" is worth pondering. If only I'd known how to detect a malfunction, my earlier life could have been so much easier. Anyway, awesome channel; I've watched all your work multiple times.
Feeling like a turtle without a shell pretty much sums up how I feel most of the time. This series is helpling me to uncover my own thoughts/perceptions that I am often afraid to accept or confront. This is a scary journey but a compelling one that I must make. There is a hollowness or a hole that God once filled for me....and now I feel a bit like Mary Magdalene who says at arriving at the tomb "Where have you taken my Jesus".....(hope that makes sense to you)...truth is on the horizon.
So...I must wonder...as this question comes up all the time. When you accept that all things can be without God, then how do you respond to those who claim this is simply absurd? How do you respond to theists who claim, "God must at the very least be the first cause of everything."
@BigLundi What you're describing is a God of Deism or Pantheism. Meaning a supreme creator of just scientific forces, not a being or something controlling us at the present moment. It would seem one who believes in God as a supreme magical being in the sky would think he just created the world and fell asleep after that.
@KenM66 I am. But as an atheist, I do not even believe in that God. When someone uses the First Causal argument against me, I simply ask them to demonstrate why their god is an exception to the first causal stipulation, and demonstrate why the universe cannot be eternal. What I mean is, when someone makes the acception that God isn't necessary for the universe to exist, if you are a christian as devout as this man was, how do you reconcile that idea?
@KenM66 That matter is eternal. We can point to the Big Bang as the beginning of our universe, but there's nothing to say there wasn't a universe before that, or one before that, or that there will not be more after our own. There's a theory out there that the Big Bang happens, and after an amount of time, the singularity shows back up again in the timeline, with the previous universe essentially being 'dead' and collapsed back in on itself, which leads to a new Big Bang.
@BigLundi Yes but time had to start with something, no? If we trace the pattern of our planet being created with the sun, moon, and stars, and then we say something like the gravitational pull that was created to create the land and water in a spherical shape, then somehow there was a cataclysmic explosion that created the science. I'm not saying that God did this, but if the universe is eternal that kind of is a flaw to the belief of time.
@KenM66 Time is relative. Also I'm not saying the universe is eternal, I'm saying matter is eternal. Also, there was no explosion. Einstein already demonstrated that time only exists realtively with the universe itself.
@KenM66 Why must everything have a start and end? In fact, when one observes the processes that take place in the universe and on earth... one will find that nearly everything works cyclically, not linearly. The water cycle, the life cycle, the star cycle, planetary cycles, even the motion of galaxies are cyclical. For all we know, existence may work the exact same way. In my opinion, if you're going to make assumptions it's best to work off of what can be observed, rather than what can't.
@BigLundi 'How do you respond to "God must at the very least be the first cause of everything."'
I simply ask them how they know that. Too many of us, theistic or not, make claims based on "common sense," but if science has shown us anything, it's that our common sense is dangerously faulty as we study phenomena that are at a distance from our everyday experience. Sure, WE experience cause and effect, but who says the universe overall has anything to do with us or our way of perceiving things?
@GreatBigBore Well, usually when someone brings up that kind of first cause argument, it's not by a theist that understands how the universe works. It's usually said by one that simply scoffs at the idea of 'something coming from nothing'(even though they claim that exact thing, on a supernatural level). I'm just wondering how someone as devout as Evid3nc3 was reconciled this. I suppose simply learning of the possibility would be enough for some, but others are too devout for that simplicity.
Incredible. I grew up standing alone, surrounded by a sea of Christians. I never had to deconvert as from the very beginning I didn't subscribe to anything they peddled. I can see how tumultuous and profound this experience could have been.
To this day I'm overwhelmed by the cold indifference christians have when watching your videos evid3nc3. That's not to say that christians are cold people, far from it, but that they refuse to accept the difficulty one faces when deconverting. I wonder sometimes how you feel when you have one community that fully understands you, and your previous community that looks at your story and shrugs.
I'm personally touched by your story every time I watch it, and cringe at some of the comments.
Chris, my own deconversion went slower for me and I began to question everything. Eventually, I started using freeform meditation with an intense focus on learning the truth and, over time, that feeling of supreme guidance returned. But its nature had changed. What I saw in visions and experienced through knowings was a higher, spiritual reality where our combined souls have a God-like existance. This is the power at the root of every religion which has become their Gods and philosophies.
It is pretty hard to wake up and realize you cannot pray anymore, because you know that no one is listening. Prayer was the hardest thing for me to give up, but i got used to not praying with time.
I have just gone through the same thing in my life, I just needed Christopher Hitchens to push me out the door
MrGidderz 1 week ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@MrGidderz Wow, I prayed last week that someone would bring up Christopher's name I had searched for days through the other video's but no conversations were about him since it's been awhile since he passed. I never thought it would be on this one though MrGidderz seems that for a reason God chose you, on another day I will come back and give the message. (not enough time)
OurStrength1 5 days ago
@OurStrength1 why do you think 'God' picked me to talk about Christopher Hitchens? Have I got no free will in my actions?
MrGidderz 5 days ago
@MrGidderz Sure you have free will you always will but God touched you just for a moment. The day that Christopher Hitchens died I honestly didn't know who he was but the moment I heard it on the news an overwhelming sadness came over me that stayed with me all day long. I remember thinking what's wrong with me why do I feel so sad for someone I never knew and why does it stay with me. It wasn't till later when I read the news online and read that he was of Jewish descent that it
OurStrength1 3 days ago
@OurStrength1 finally made sense to me, the sadness I felt wasn't from me it was from God, this had happened to me before months earlier but that time it only lasted a few minutes. He let me know that he wanted me to reach his Jewish people and let them know that he has always been there for them, he has always loved them and he wants them to be with him. The feeling of sadness and love were so strong that there were tears, it was really an amazing feeling
OurStrength1 3 days ago
@OurStrength1 So I understand now the sadness for Mr Hitchens he never turned to God, but the Holy Spirit told me to pray for his soul so I ask every Christian out there who reads this to say a prayer for him.
OurStrength1 3 days ago
after understanding that god is not necessary an element of existence, you have choice:
choose to ignore reason or change your mind.
it's like a movie's ending: you have the choice between the light and the dark side of the force.
comfortable ignorance vs reality that will change the way you think for ever.
Evid3nc3 is lucky to have had master yoda on his side.
Here0s0Johnny 1 week ago
Evid3nc3 probably that does not change you perspective, but you said in your video: "He never said I will give you the truth", maybe you missed the passage in John 18:37-38, Jesus says: "For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice." I think you should correct this part of your video. Btw very interesting videos that makes you think, but as you know one day we will know what is the truth
evaldsurtans 1 week ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
I used to be very "religious" in a sense when I was younger but I became atheist while I was still very young, although I didn't label it. I didn't have to go to church and had no religious family or friends. I kind of looked down on overly religious people but these videos have given me a lot to think about, not in terms of whether God exists but the fact that religious people do need help and even if I don't believe, I should be more careful when confronting people who are'nt ready. Great vid.
UnionGarside 1 week ago
This video helped out a lot.
MrAdwolfe1 1 week ago
Opening with Telepopmusic...nice choice. Really enjoy your videos! Thank you.
Asherah26 2 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
this part of the video reminds me of the final scene of "The Truman Show." i guess you could derive some simularities.
TheChrisMedico 2 weeks ago
Wow. Just wow.
r0galik 3 weeks ago
Bravo. Thank you for sharing and excellent work!
w00zyhead 3 weeks ago
5:40 AHH KILL IT KILL IT!
TheResidentSkeptic 3 weeks ago
Oh, and psilocybin mushrooms was also the final nail in my belief in an kind of immortal soul. In the most intense part of the trip, my emotions and personality were so foreign and fluctuating so much that is suddenly occurred to me, a moment of clarity in non-sobriety, that if these chemicals could change so much of what I considered "me," how the hell did I expect anything remotely like what I consider "me" to survive brain death?
BlackMoonLilith 3 weeks ago
Interestingly, I've never really been religious and just sort of became an atheist on my own around 13 or 14, and yet the sensations you're describing the next day at 5:10 remind me very much of right after the first time I tried psilocybin mushrooms, when even after hallucinations, the colors, textures, and everything I took for granted about the real world suddenly felt bizarre and unnatural, but now years later, it's an experience I treasure.
BlackMoonLilith 3 weeks ago
You actually believed there is a god. It's amazing how profound religious indoctrination can be.
jamesmaseobrown 3 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Notice that the athiest professor said "For christ's sake chris!". Oh the irony! Joking aside, these series of videos has given me alot to think about.
Rapp0ng1 1 month ago
even if you don't believe he's there talk to him anyway cause I know he's there and hears you, and you never know he may send you the revelation you've been searching for. God wants every single one of us with him he doesn't want to lose not even one it's true.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
You fell that's all, you were dragged down because of your disobedience your lack of faith your questioning of God. If God wants to save the souls of the other atheists out there what makes you think he would just toss you away, you, the one who was with him for so long the one who knew him, you need to get yourself back up and stand strong we only have a few short years left on this earth. Yes finally Jesus is coming, please believe.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@OurStrength1
You are calling him disobedient for questioning, investigating and exploring.
In doing so you are demonstrating his very point that "faith" and "the truth" are mutually exclusive.
All he asks is that YOU consider the possibility that your concept of god is no more plausable than Thor, Allah, Krishna, Zeus or any of the other fictitious surrogate parent.
Threatening this couragous and intelligent author by saying "jesus is coming" makes you no better than Harold Camping.
Roj0307 1 month ago
@Roj0307 At the end of the book of Revelation God tells us not to add or take away from the Bible, if I was to spend my time trying to figure out why this book has 10 and the other book has 9 all that would say to God is that I had doubt about his words and show disrespect and disobedience. Well that's not me my faith is strong and complete and for that reason he sends me dreams and messages, Jesus is coming is not meant as a threat but a warning not just for atheists but for Christians as well.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@OurStrength1
Do you have children?
If one of them were to question your judgement and law, even daring to point out inconsistencies and instances of poor parenting how would you react? Punish them?
What then if your child even chose to disrespect you and curse you, and even reject you - how might you react now? Would you burn them for eternity?
No. You wouldn't. You are better than this. Your love is UNCONDITIONAL.
Roj0307 1 month ago
@Roj0307 I would be devastated if one of mine came to me with doubts but I know it will never happen they know God exists and that he has blessed them, their friends call them "lucky" but luck has nothing to do with it and my kids know it. I pray for them everyday for protection and they are the first to hear whatever God sends me. I have only known God to be loving and kind and merciful and very patient and that's the truth, I can't imagine a hell but the bible speaks of it all I know
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@Roj0307 is that he wants us to worship him not all the earthly gods and pray to him and ask for forgiveness for our sins, live the commandments as best we can, help others, it's really not a lot to ask for and most already live decent lives and have compassion. Everyone is given the choice ( I know it's easy for me to say) I do know he wants everyone with him.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@Roj0307 The preacher Camping calculated the month,day and hour on his own he's a Christian he should've known better only God the father knows, the message that was sent to me in a dream was only the year. God has been very loving and patient with me, over a year ago he had sent me a dream of the end and I did nothing, so when this latest dream happened I knew what it meant I only had so much time and I had to get moving, an atheist can only find the truth on their own and that's through prayer
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@OurStrength1
You claim to know the year the earth will end, because it was sent to you by your god in a dream??
Your claim, like harold camping's, is an embarrassment to your fellow christians.
Here is my challenge to you. It is simple:
IF this date comes and goes, and you find yourself NOT raptured and the world unchanged, would you THEN agree that your beliefs are pure dellusion?
Yes, or no?
Roj0307 1 month ago
@Roj0307 The message was sent to me, the preacher was guessing. I'm not telling everyone to sell all their belongings and what time to wait, I'm saying prepare your heart there's still time. Christians already know what they have to do to get right with God, one of the messages he sent me was "Cursing is not of God" he shouldn't have to tell us we should already know and some on here don't even hold back they don't even try, the language is terrible.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@Roj0307 There's still time to cleanse the heart and mind is what I'm saying only you don't have years and years like you think. If the end doesn't come then God had his reasons, but I feel it will happen. Of course I will still believe nothing will change that because I already know he exists, for goodness sakes I already know.
OurStrength1 1 month ago
@OurStrength1 By deciding for yourself that your held belief is definitely true, you close your mind to any possibility that you are wrong. Thus, you are unable to see your held belief as wrong, even if it is, because you have decided to see it as true, regardless of if it actually is or not.
genobahamut1337 3 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 I always believed even throughout the years when I had stopped attending church and hardly prayed ( I was young and too busy) but I always had my faith and the day my dad was taken to the hospital was the day that brought me to my knees. I knew when I was praying that God was hearing me I just knew, That time of prayer was the first time God ever spoke to me and after my dad passed away I decided that I would continue to pray from then on because of the warm
OurStrength1 2 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 comfort I had felt, a couple years later as I was waiting outside with my children for the school bus I was fine till I went back inside something evil had followed me, I was in so much pain I laid down and it was whispering gibberish in my ear but I could feel the evil, I turned away and said a few words to God and fell asleep but the pain was excruciating and remember tossing and turning then suddenly I wake up and hear the most beautiful voice praying in a
OurStrength1 2 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 language I didn't understand, I couldn't see him but heard him clearly I'm not gonna lie it scared me at first but then I realized my pain was gone, he continued praying and at the same time I could hear my husband in the shower and as soon as he turned off the water the praying stopped. How could I not have a strong faith after that? a day or two later I went outside in the morning to check the front gate it was pitch dark out and as I walked to the front I
OurStrength1 2 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 heard the evil whispering coming from my mother in laws porch that was where I had waited with my children, when I walked back I reminded myself that he heard what I heard and he may have even seen what I couldn't and I knew he couldn't touch me and he didn't. I thank God that he saved me that day I was a healthy person but something was trying to kill me that day. Yes folks satan exists and he's causing a lot of heartache right now in many ways.
OurStrength1 2 weeks ago
@OurStrength1 You're basically telling me that you believe in God because it gives you a warm, comforting feeling. Also, you claim you felt pain when you heard an evil voice, but you have no evidence it wasn't all in your mind, and the praying you couldn't understand might just be your husband's voice muffled by the shower. Of course you weren't touched, there was nothing there to get you. Did you even watch these videos? They give you an explanation for all that.
genobahamut1337 2 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 What I said was during prayer God comforted me with a warmth and love I have never felt here, and so decided to remain faithful and pray everyday and live my life right. Something evil attacked me that day and I know if I had not prayed those two previous years it would've got me, it was an evil gravelly creepy voice whispering nonsense.The angel was real his voice was clear and he was in the same room as me ( I feel that the language was Greek) I guess he left
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 out of respect cause my husband was coming out, trust me I can tell the difference from a shower running to a beautiful clear voice right there with me. One morning many months later I was saying my prayers and the Holy Spirit says to me " Pray for all your relatives that have died" and so I did afterwards I laid down to sleep for an hour or two to catch up on sleep and I woke up to hear the tv on loud and muffled, I couldn't believe my son was up early and
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 and watching it so loudly I laid there wondering what was going on with him and then I heard it the angel I recognized him instantly he was praying I laid there wishing I had a recorder to find out what he was saying then I fell asleep. It's such a long story but what had happened is my sister in law had passed away and her spirit came here and she opened the door for others, she was leaving me dimes everywhere I went but the others spirits ghosts whatever were
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 stealing clothes, taking things bringing them back in minutes sometimes weeks I think my guardian angel must have seen them here and decided it was time for them to go, this really happened I never believed in them before. Then last year my husbands friend (an atheist) died in a head on collision and guess where his spirit decides to go here! but he opened the door to some bad spirits it was different that time I had to pray for help, that's another story.
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 You cannot claim to "know" when you have no evidence. You claim you heard the voice clearly, but you were just waking up when you claim to have heard it, and all the feelings in the world won't prove anything. It can still be all in your mind, regardless of how much you may think you know better. If you would sit down and actually think about it for a minute you'd see how delusional you sound.
genobahamut1337 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 I woke up to the voice and though it scared me at first I realized that he was praying for me and I laid there and listened, I was awake I don't need coffee to wake me up, I don't drink it. Of course I sound delusional but I'm alright God would never send me all that he has if I had mental issues or if I was sensitive or if I was weak in faith. I've been called a lot of names on here and that's fine they can't hurt me, God chose me cause he knows I can handle it
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 Bottom line, you have told me nothing that surprises me. Nothing that proves anything, and nothing that isn't already explainable. You only believe because it makes you feel safe. That's fine, though. If it makes you feel safe, then so be it. Believe all you like. But don't go and tell others it's true when you can't prove it. Where you see Satan, I see hallucination.
genobahamut1337 2 weeks ago
@genobahamut1337 I can't prove everything it's spiritual but there is one thing I can prove but I'm working on it. I don't see satan and I don't want to some people pray to see hell not me. I'm a very sane person I've never done drugs or alcohol I don't even take aspirin, hallucinations I've never had. I don't expect everyone to believe me I'm a stranger to you guys but I have to tell you the truth. About the end I'm sure you notice a lot is changing in the world here and beyond
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 I view your relationship with your god as a hallucination, but you're free to view it however you like. As for truth, that is something that has to be proven before it can be defined as true to anyone. If you can't prove it, then you shouldn't be preaching it to people. There is a lot of changes in the world today, but the world is always changing. There is no "end time" coming up in the way you see it and I have no idea what you mean by beyond.
genobahamut1337 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 I will always tell of God's kindness to me, it amazes me how well he knew me all my life. The only way I can prove of his existence depends on law enforcement, in 2004 led by the holy Spirit I found that we have over 100,000 missing persons and over 40,000 unidentified in the US! I never knew. This is what I was chosen to do is help the families who were and still are praying to find their missing loved ones, most know they're deceased but want to find them and
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 and give them a decent burial. I found a website that listed many unidentified cases from all the states, I wrote down as many as I could and before I knew it the site was gone and not long after my notes were accidentally thrown away. I searched through other sites but they didn't have as much info as the first,so then I went to the missing site and recognized about five cases that I had seen on the first site and let LE know and other org. and they did nothing
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 so from then on I have spent contacting medical examiners, coroners, forensic artists etc. with no luck, fast forward to 2008 I'm reading a missing case of a lady who disappeared in 2000 at the time she was fighting her ex for custody of their little girl so after she disappeared her mother had to go to court against son in law to be able to see her grandchild and she won, not long after when she took the child home after a visit she and a friend who lived next
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 door were shot down on her driveway. I remember feeling so much anger that the person responsible could take these lives and get away with it for so long, so that night I remembered them in my prayers. - more later
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 First of all, your god knows you so well because your god exists in your mind, thus he's going to know you because you know you. Second, what exactly is your story supposed to prove? You basically just said that people go missing, most get killed, and you've had bad luck trying to investigate it. Where is the proof of god in that? Even if you did have some success, that still wouldn't prove anything. Again, stop trying to prove what you simply can't prove.
genobahamut1337 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 I said a prayer for them, that the missing lady would be found and for justice, 3 days later I was in my kitchen and out of the blue I receive a vision it was a woman's face it only lasted for about 3 or 4 seconds but I remembered the picture not so much her face but her hair, I had seen her 4 years earlier on that first site I had found that was removed and it was the missing lady I had prayed for 3 days earlier, when he sent the vision he also sent her name -
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 He had to send her name I would've searched the missing sites forever and never found who she was because she looked absolutely nothing like herself, they starved her so her face was thinner and of course no make up, she had long dark hair before, they chopped it off short and bleached it. The police found her years ago and don't even know it they continue working on her case today, only God knew it was her and he let me know. I contacted the police and let them
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 know but either they don't believe me or they're just lazy and don't want to search through the database which they're the only ones who have access, so I have to make it easy for them by finding the admin of the site so they can give them the case # so they can id her and it's taking a long time. They're all the same in all the states I've let them know of many others and they do nothing. when I say that God knew me well it's because when I was in my teens that
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 was my dream to be in law enforcement it would've been perfect for me but of course it didn't happen, and compassion for others I've always had since I was a little girl, and who better to understand and see the heartache on a mothers face because her 2 sons were missing for years and she never knew what happened to them, that was my paternal grandmother she died never knowing. I will keep on and when everything comes together many families will know.
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 Okay, clearly you don't know what a fulfilled vision is. You just claimed to have received a vision and you remembered the hair and had an idea of a name, both of which could have just been your mind remembering this person since you then claim to have seen her on a site before. Then, you claim to have found the woman, but she looks COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from your vision, which you admit you can't remember the face of. Why am I even pretending you can think?
genobahamut1337 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 Do you know how many unidentified cases I have read hundreds and missing persons profiles thousands, when I saw the lady's case in '04 I just glanced at the picture real quick but her hair caught my attention cause it reminded me of when my grandma used to cut (ruin) our hair as kids, I was busy writing down all the info about her case and then on to the next. I didn't know her and she looked nothing like herself so the vision 4 years later! meant nothing
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 without a name and God provided that. So when the day comes that she's id'd and the cops mention that they had no way of knowing it was her and why, you're still going to believe what that it was luck? It's like the guy on one of the other videos who says "if your prayer is not answered there is no God, if your prayer is answered it's coincidence" When this unsolved case is solved I will let you know where to go to read about it.
OurStrength1 1 week ago
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@genobahamut1337 without a name and God provided that. So when the day comes that she's idd and the cops mention that they had no way of knowing it was her and why, you're still going to believe what that it was luck? It's like the guy on one of the other videos who says "if your prayer is not answered there is no God, if your prayer is answered it's coincidence" When this unsolved case is solved I will let you know where to go to read about it.
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@OurStrength1 On top of everything else, your so called god has not managed to help you accomplish anything. Way to go god. Even if things had worked, what about all the other people your god could help, but he chooses not to? Does he intentionally wait for someone to ask him for help with a victim before he'll help the poor people? What kind of god is that? This god is a delusion of your mind. Either realize it or stop trying to prove him to me, cause you can't.
genobahamut1337 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 He has helped me it's law enforcement who has done nothing, they're gonna want to kick themselves later, some of them would've received recommendations or promotions I'm sure.To solve a case that's been ongoing for years and when some of the families are well known and respected in the community, but they all choose to ignore all because I mention God I'm not going to deny him to anyone for the sake of sounding "sane" they're going to hear it the way it happened
OurStrength1 1 week ago
@genobahamut1337 You have one thing right, you do have to pray to receive it's not going to come without prayer, as for helping the poor it's up to us to help them. He is a loving God but if you don't want anything to do with him you'll never know it.
OurStrength1 6 days ago
@OurStrength1 I never said you had to pray to receive. In fact, if you saw the beginning of this series, you should already know that prayer has been proven not to work, and just by watching the last video you'd know that it is most likely your own mind you are talking to. Of course, you're too willing to believe to actually think about this rationally. You can't see that prayer doesn't work or that you could be delusional. If you could, you wouldn't be delusional.
genobahamut1337 5 days ago
@genobahamut1337 No I said it what you said was does he wait for someone to ask for help and the answer is yes when you ask you pray, prayer works it always has for me if it hasn't for others it's either because they don't have the faith it will be answered or they're breaking a commandment. The last prayer that was answered for me I had asked God something that had been bothering me and that night while I was sleeping a light flashed before my face and before I opened my eyes
OurStrength1 3 days ago
@genobahamut1337 I thought it's lightening and when I opened my eyes it wasn't it was a small cross like a star shining in the room very beautiful and I knew I had my answer. It's always amazing to me no matter how he answers or what he sends me but then God is amazing.
OurStrength1 3 days ago
Finding out that there is no god must suck from what he is saying, I'm glad I was never a believer!
ReiGrim 1 month ago 2
This video is where your deconversion begins to depart from mine. I never felt any level of depression. I actually looked at the universe with a new sense of wonder. Wow! You mean this is all a result of natural processes? Awesome!!! I felt free. Well, I continue watching your next video. Great series! One of the best I've ever heard with great detail.
USMarineSgt 1 month ago
I went through the same experience as a child and no longer believe in religion. However still believe there is a form of god out there. Not in the sense man has made it out to be, but something that initiated the entirety of the universe outside of anyone's understanding. This could simply be a some sort of energy or anything really, but I do not believe if whatever it is would be interested in our life problems or even fate.
oxgabbyxo 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
These videos is proof of gods existence! The authors quest for truth have led him down this path but his quest started by seeking guidance from God which then obliged and pointed the way to the truth but at the same time away from christianity which is a man made religion with many useful concepts of understanding the human condition but also filled with error, dogma, ritual and man made agendas of control over its subjects.
Similarly I also prayed for revelation and my prayers were answered.
AltusPienaar 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@AltusPienaar You still live in a prison--the likes of which only you can escape. You have my condolences.
MrPhilosopher1950 1 month ago
This is definitely one of my favorite video series on all of youtube. This is really fantastic and I totally identify it.
brockwrichards 1 month ago
their should be a rabbit hole reference somewhere in here
TheRandomguy112 1 month ago
I have not been an atheist for long, so I haven't really reflected on the road that led me here. This was a nice overview, that while different, was similar enough to my own experience to allow me to reflect. Although when I truly stopped believing, it was as dramatic or Earth shattering as this portrayal, even though I was a devout Christian. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I have Asperger's, and emotion has always been something that was less intense to me than to others.
onslaught147 1 month ago
Dude that shits deep and I can relate brother. Check out wordoffakes if you get time and thanks
Wordoffakes 2 months ago
These videos are so epic....
I'm grateful to whoever taught you how to tell a story, and to produce these videos. It's quite the ride.
palerider1775 2 months ago
5:40 AHHH!!!
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
I find it ironic that the last song is title "Welcome to the Real World"
Dav1oMagnific0 2 months ago
Thank you!
AtollSurfer 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Our story is so similar. And when I remember the moment where I had my hands over my face. I was too afraid to not believe. So I started giving things up. The holidays were pagan, so I gave them up. The true sabbath was Saturday, so I began keeping it in the home. It was inevitably the fear of god coupled with the love that kept me hanging on. I met a friend who reassured me & I let go. It is the hardest step you will ever take; the one away from god.
MsLadyLogic 2 months ago
Professor Morpheus
ipeklofijs 2 months ago
How could you NOT remember Gethsemane? :)
ipeklofijs 2 months ago
@ipeklofijs Lmao! :)
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
i went this through in middle school
DirtyMikeballin95 3 months ago
My emotional part of the brain wants to know what music artist you used right after the 6:59 part of this video. Any information will be highly appreciated. Thanks!!!
chriswonderboy 3 months ago
Yikes- this must have been a horrible moment for you.
Luckily for me, I was in fourth grade when I lost faith in God and I wasn't a strong christian at all.
AtheismIsCorrect 3 months ago
Sorry to hear that. I went to a similar experience, but it was actually the opposite. I believe Jesus is that true that calmed the thirst of my soul.
May the Lord wake up your soul. You needed to call upon Jesus. He is true.
ggonjon 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
@ggonjon have fun then
samcarr6 3 months ago
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spook79 3 months ago
Your lucky that your "God simulacrum" only malfunctioned by making you move your bag around. I think mine is giving me night terrors - making me think that shadows in my room have eyes and teeth. I feel if I provoke them they will scare me to death. I'm 31 and I'm having trouble sleeping because of this... Thank goodness I'm not sleeping alone or it would be paralyzing. So much for the "Holy Spirit/God simulacrum" not being a spirit of fear, but of peace, love, and a sound mind.....
spook79 3 months ago 2
George W Bush's law: you become more and more like the people who you spend more time with. So, when you were a christian, you spent more time with christians? and when you started having doubts, and then became an atheist, you spent more and more time with atheists? right? now I think I got it. You are a prime example of "Bush's law."
909pleasantville 3 months ago
this video is offensive to Santa Claus, all this talking about God makes it almost to be more real than Santa, when instead they're both made up characters, both unnecessary to explain anything in the real world, both lacking any real evidence.
cipihevent 3 months ago
@cipihevent wow wow wow okay I know god isn't real but are saying Santa Claus is not real as well; then whose been giving me gifts during Christmas.
advers1078 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@advers1078 no, Santa might exist but i'm afraid it is someone you know who brings you gifts on Christmas, still i may be wrong... check yourself if Santa is involved in that.
cipihevent 2 months ago
@cipihevent There's a rumor going around that that the parents do it! Can you believe it!?!
ghm011301 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Excellent series of videos. I've been an atheist for years, and just now found these.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago 2
i know that feel man, i know that feel..
scuffle 4 months ago
"I never expected truth and God to be in conflict" Oh yea, I've been there brother.
greventlv 5 months ago 52
@greventlv Likewise. 'Never a true Christian' my ass.
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Very strong work Chris. Excellent appeal, pace and style. Quite patient and intelligent.
cadeere74 5 months ago 21
@Evid3nc3 sincerely, woulnt it have been better if you had never went down this road and stopped when the professor tried to stop you? Isn't that why most christians never question this?
jccarbunkle 5 months ago
Wow. You went through A LOT. I cannot imagine how huge this was for you. I was a Christian in a Christian family, but I started losing my faith to reason when I was about 13. Religion just seemed illogical and prayer seemed to not do anything at all. I had never heard god, only spoken to him. It was easy, after a few months, to call myself an Atheist.
LeadFarmer1597 5 months ago
My question to the author of this series... Lets say God is fake and not real. Yet we know that around 70% of children that grow up without influence, will create a God. This isn't like just sometimes, this is over half the time, a human being will create the idea of a God when given ZERO influence. Do you find that odd?
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@bluefootedpig we "know" this? you have no evidence for this assertion. And even IF what you say is true, when there is no parentlal influence, you can't disregard the pervasive influence throughout society that the concept of God has. It is inescapable because our society is governed and guided by people with these beliefs and the beliefs themselves, but that doesn't make it a true belief.
MrG0dbar 5 months ago
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@MrG0dbar I never said it is proof of God. I am merely pointing out a study. Here is one reference, by oxford.
tinyurl(dot)com / 4avl6wk
And there is much more. We are finding out more and more that humans are born pre-programmed. Like we are born knowing how to walk. It is not learned. I guess from this other research, the conclusion is we are born with the idea of a creator. I find it odd that our genetic makeup would cause us to believe that.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
You can make the exact same argument for children thousands of years ago growing up with the belief that the earth was flat, or that witches are real, even if their parents had never told them that. There are other influences from the world that simply convince them that it is so. This does not mean these beliefs are true. And what of the 30% of children who DON'T create the comforting idea of a God? Why does benevolent God forsake them? Why are they damned to hell out of hand?
MrG0dbar 5 months ago
@MrG0dbar I never said it damns them or saves them. I could understand if say, it was 50/50. But we are talking more than half appear to be genetically predisposed to belief in a higher power. For any atheist, that should be a rather interesting area that I would hope they would want to study more.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
To me becoming an atheist was never planned. It was a side-effect that occured by education and thinking. I wouldn't even call myself an atheist, as less as I would call myself a non-chinese-person or a non-football-player. By what I did and what I am doing, I just didn't become a theist, so from theistic perspective I am an atheist.
I guess that's the difference if you don't grow up in a very religous family (although I grew up in a religous society).
Sedraon 5 months ago
this is the best in the universe video about breaking free (love the turtle anology)
TZMrazvitie 6 months ago
One thing I have noticed about deconverted Christians... They tend to go to the extreme opposite of believing in a non existent God to Believing in Big Government and Elitist control and somehow Science proves these are good things.
batfly 6 months ago
@batfly True, devout Christians tend to seem to want government to regulate morality, but then again, so do liberals. Liberals want to regulate social morality, and right wing wants to regulate personal morality. Either side is dealing in morality, it takes a libertarian to say no to government.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Stefbot has some profound philosophical ideas regarding this subject.
Have you run across him yet?
batfly 5 months ago
@batfly I have not, any books or preferable online vidoes (as i am a visual learner). I can deal with either, or online books. I can easily look it up, but thought you might have like a favorite video.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Here is one of stefbot's videos
watch?v=Cd-SLRyuRq0
Anther great resource is Evid3nc3
Be sure to watch his playlist "Why I am no longer a Christian"
watch?v=mSy1-Q_BEtQ
batfly 5 months ago
@batfly
Wow i really need to pay attention to the comments I am responding to. duh this is on Evid3nc3 playlist derp on me!
batfly 5 months ago
@batfly Thanks, i'll respond later with them. Although "why i am no longer a christian" is what I was watching. It was good, and I would recommend it to people, but I find flaws in his logic and he did not convince me. It really doesn't help when you are caught lying. He claims to be AOG, a subsection of Pentecostal, then later uses the saved by faith alone argument. I know for a fact that AOG and Pentecostal do not believe in that. So how is proving what you already don't believe, evidence?
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@batfly ah, gotcha. He holds a belief very similar to mine, although I don't quite have the contempt he seems to have.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@bluefootedpig
He is very passionate granted.
batfly 5 months ago
@batfly yeah, i have seen many videos like that. The worst is the RBE. I even tried talking to the actual vent channel on it, but got no one to answer my questions.
It is a system, but alas, we are out of land and thus we need a system to hold so many people. Before, other than your house, all land was "common" land. I'm talking medieval time period. When land outnumbered people, so growing extra crops was just a matter of planting more seeds.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
I am starting my own church...The Church of Deconversion.
I will play this video series instead of preach form a bible.
batfly 6 months ago
I grew up in an atheist home...
The internal dilemma I face is this...
1 vs 0
Something vs nothing
Is there something or nothing?
batfly 6 months ago
Thanks for the honesty of your videos. While, as a Christian, I disagree with your conclusions, the clarity with which you present your deconversion is refreshing. Too often this debate is clouded by a lack of objectivity on both sides.
rmccullo444tube 6 months ago 3
What an incredibly personal and touching story. I am sorry for the pain you went through, but am over-joyed that you had the strength to pull yourself away from the fantasy that has sucked in so many people.
BlameRepublicans 6 months ago
off and on for a good chunk of my life. I always defended christianity. I think cuz my parents surely believe it, I feel like I'm defending it for them I guess? I dunno, but my question to any atheist here is, How do you get through problems like mine? When the people I love in my life are certain religion is real, how am I supposed to relate to them? Do I just pretend I'm full christian and continue doing my research? How am I NOT supposed to feel like I'm completely alone if I turn atheistic?
crackparty 6 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@crackparty "How am I NOT supposed to feel like I'm completely alone if I turn atheistic?"
Depends on how strongly religious your peers are. Where I live, belief in God and being religious are two separate issues, and brining up one doesn't automatically raise the other. Being religious is considered a virtue, but not a requirement for being respected, and belief in God is considered irrelevant. But hey, that's a European country we're talking about. Where you live, it might be different.
boenrobot 6 months ago 2
@crackparty ... But I suppose a similar approach might work for you as well if, and only if, you bring it upon your peers gradually. For all you know, their opinions about atheists might be as liberal as the opinion in most European countries, which is to say "Meh...". Just don't use the term "Atheist", as it's greatly misunderstood. Heck, I've actually been an atheist for about 5 years now (I'm 21), but only accepted the label last year when I found out the proper definition.
boenrobot 6 months ago
Wow, this series at first seemed like BS. I was thinking "how can this guy just disbelieve in God because some person he talked to on the net". Then as it went on and listened intently..... I realized I am no different than this person at all. Around the 5:30 mark, when he talks about feeling completely alone, that's what I feel like as well. I wasn't brought up in strict religious beliefs, but I was taught all about it and it's the right thing to do. Now I'm not so sure, been feeling like this
crackparty 6 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Truth vs God--amazing. This is what it really comes down to. "Faith" crumbles under the relentless pressure of facts and logic, until that's the only thing left--you just have to have "faith"--who needs truth? God is truth! That's what the theists say, but it's bullshit--"faith" just means that you are supposed to believe in spite of the facts, in spite of evidence and logic. "Faith" means you are to suspend any critical thinking.
DandAinTac 6 months ago
Was the professor the same guy from Amazon? They sound exceedingly similar...
MidoriFan10 6 months ago
@MidoriFan10 Yes.
TheBiAtheist 6 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
It is hard for some of us to understand, as some of us never believed in god even when going to sunday school and such. As an adult, I am very self reliant, independent, and cynical, so my personality was probably shaped by this fact. It is great that you are providing accounts throughout the process.
At least you deconverted before giving all your money and possessions away in preparation for the recent rapture. ; )
brendanmcwilliams 6 months ago
You're quite lucky you could, at least at one time, convince yourself of hearing the word of the divine. I've never been able to. And in light of recent personal failures I am envious of anyone who can summon up that kind of confidence, even if it is just hubris.
Just gotta shake it off, I suppose. Even without a god, I'm certainly not alone.
asquii 6 months ago
Continue to awaken your inner Shazam. Yes.
MrBeautifulba1 7 months ago
This video does a great job of explaining the feelings we formerly devout, but truth-seeking Christians run into upon losing God. We didn't grow up disenchanted or godless but found it later. It is hurtful when non-believers don't understand the pain of having such a reality ripped out of your consciousness. My story is ongoing but like Chris's. I was a devout Christian, but also a lover of science and truth. Long story short, I had to choose. Such an inspirational series.
oldagent89 7 months ago
no one is really an atheist, you see atheism increases when you live in a very comfortable life like in the USA, Europe, etc... but once you place these atheists in the INDIA , Philippines, Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc... or have some sickness or problems they start to complain against GOD as though HE is very much responsible with all the bad things happening. Weird belief I say.....in private most atheist believe in GOD but only keeps on blaming HIM and cursing GOD.
aike75 7 months ago
@aike75 I would say it's the opposite. People in desperate situations are desperate for something to believe in, a god to comfort them, while the more fortunate of us have the luxury of free thought. So perhaps it's better to say that no one is really a theist, eh?
deathtris 7 months ago
@aike75 "you see atheism increases when you live in a very comfortable life like in the USA, Europe, etc."
There's a direct correlation between education and religious beliefs. It's not a matter of comfort - it's a matter of knowledge, that allows people to see through the fantasies of religion.
"in private most atheist believe in GOD"
You might as well be claiming "in private, most adults believe in Santa Claus". It carries the same weight.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@aike75 Nope don't believe in God. Never have.
stefanoGFsiciliano 1 month ago
I had a very similar feeling of thinking I just saw coldness when I looked at people after realizing my religion was incredibly wrong. I felt I was seeing evil, really, and was desperate to think that I wasn't. It took a long time to really feel comfortable in my own skin.
FlyingOverTr0ut 7 months ago
and then years later god answered your prayer and blessed you with atheism :-)
TheKingShakaZulu 7 months ago
I can't even imagine the psychological implications and damage religion actually does when it is removed from the mind.
Growing up non-religious has its drawbacks though. That voice you described as god has spoken to me too. The problem is that I couldn't make sense of it. I'm not saying that I wanted a religious bullshit explanation but secularism doesn't address that this can happen. Hearing a voice (or a thought that feels separate from oneself rather) is a jarring experience.
HerrKnitler 7 months ago
@HerrKnitler I believe if you hear voices in your head, and you are religious, it is the voice of God. If you aren't, then you must be a schizophrenic. And we know you don't believe in religion...
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
I am from the Philippines and I became a christian not because I was ill , had major problems, or I was born into it , no it was because of reason and logic - I guess grace through life questions. What is truth? I guess your dad made a very wrong answer. Jesus said " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE".... through science we know that energy and matter are interchangeable , what if this so called ENERGY that created MATTER might be an intelligent being as we call him GOD ?
aike75 8 months ago
@aike75 Use ockhams razor.
ketsan 8 months ago
@aike75 There's nothing wrong with speculation when it is passed off as speculation, but please do not claim to have fact on your side when you don't. ("The Bible says so" is circular logic, a fallacy.) No one knows precisely how everything came to exist. Aren't mysteries exciting? Do you dislike uncertainty so much that you are willing to make things up to fill the gaps in your knowledge?
megjett 7 months ago
@aike75
Certainly an interesting idea.
ketturuut 7 months ago
@aike75 "Jesus said " I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE""
Every religious mythology protagonist declares the same thing - that they are the one speaking the truth about the unknown, that they are the one coming from real God(s), that they are the one teaching "what it takes to get into a superduper afterlife", and of course, they all give the same warning - "If you don't believe my story, your afterlife will suck."
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
wow, this is dramatic
7lllll 8 months ago
The thing with the bag, you have just reminded me of something I'd forgotten, that I'd never really noticed. I too had those kind of strange commands, I remember once I stood on a street corner for an hour because I thought god was telling me to wait there. I don't know why I never recognised the significance of these strange commands, though eventually I did come to the realisation that it was all a product of my subconscious and imagination. It was my system breaking down as well.
MrTrollooo 8 months ago
You talk about how your simulacrum started to malfunction, bidding you to do strange things. That really gets my attention: mine had malfunctioned from the very beginning, telling me that I'm an immoral coward who deserves hell. And of course it went downhill from there. But the idea of "malfunction" is worth pondering. If only I'd known how to detect a malfunction, my earlier life could have been so much easier. Anyway, awesome channel; I've watched all your work multiple times.
GreatBigBore 8 months ago
This was epic. The only de-conversion story I've heard that really portrays the depth and the loneliness of the process. Well done mate
simonsomatic 8 months ago
Feeling like a turtle without a shell pretty much sums up how I feel most of the time. This series is helpling me to uncover my own thoughts/perceptions that I am often afraid to accept or confront. This is a scary journey but a compelling one that I must make. There is a hollowness or a hole that God once filled for me....and now I feel a bit like Mary Magdalene who says at arriving at the tomb "Where have you taken my Jesus".....(hope that makes sense to you)...truth is on the horizon.
whistonlass 8 months ago
This hits so close to home. The initial steps in deconversion are so hard...
miketwo345 8 months ago
So...I must wonder...as this question comes up all the time. When you accept that all things can be without God, then how do you respond to those who claim this is simply absurd? How do you respond to theists who claim, "God must at the very least be the first cause of everything."
BigLundi 8 months ago
@BigLundi What you're describing is a God of Deism or Pantheism. Meaning a supreme creator of just scientific forces, not a being or something controlling us at the present moment. It would seem one who believes in God as a supreme magical being in the sky would think he just created the world and fell asleep after that.
KenM66 8 months ago
@KenM66 I am. But as an atheist, I do not even believe in that God. When someone uses the First Causal argument against me, I simply ask them to demonstrate why their god is an exception to the first causal stipulation, and demonstrate why the universe cannot be eternal. What I mean is, when someone makes the acception that God isn't necessary for the universe to exist, if you are a christian as devout as this man was, how do you reconcile that idea?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@BigLundi What is your theory on the creation of the universe and how time started then? I would like to know it if you have one. Thanks
KenM66 8 months ago
@KenM66 That matter is eternal. We can point to the Big Bang as the beginning of our universe, but there's nothing to say there wasn't a universe before that, or one before that, or that there will not be more after our own. There's a theory out there that the Big Bang happens, and after an amount of time, the singularity shows back up again in the timeline, with the previous universe essentially being 'dead' and collapsed back in on itself, which leads to a new Big Bang.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@BigLundi Yes but time had to start with something, no? If we trace the pattern of our planet being created with the sun, moon, and stars, and then we say something like the gravitational pull that was created to create the land and water in a spherical shape, then somehow there was a cataclysmic explosion that created the science. I'm not saying that God did this, but if the universe is eternal that kind of is a flaw to the belief of time.
KenM66 8 months ago
@KenM66 Time is relative. Also I'm not saying the universe is eternal, I'm saying matter is eternal. Also, there was no explosion. Einstein already demonstrated that time only exists realtively with the universe itself.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@KenM66 Why must everything have a start and end? In fact, when one observes the processes that take place in the universe and on earth... one will find that nearly everything works cyclically, not linearly. The water cycle, the life cycle, the star cycle, planetary cycles, even the motion of galaxies are cyclical. For all we know, existence may work the exact same way. In my opinion, if you're going to make assumptions it's best to work off of what can be observed, rather than what can't.
Mystrymeat 8 months ago
@BigLundi 'How do you respond to "God must at the very least be the first cause of everything."'
I simply ask them how they know that. Too many of us, theistic or not, make claims based on "common sense," but if science has shown us anything, it's that our common sense is dangerously faulty as we study phenomena that are at a distance from our everyday experience. Sure, WE experience cause and effect, but who says the universe overall has anything to do with us or our way of perceiving things?
GreatBigBore 8 months ago
@GreatBigBore Well, usually when someone brings up that kind of first cause argument, it's not by a theist that understands how the universe works. It's usually said by one that simply scoffs at the idea of 'something coming from nothing'(even though they claim that exact thing, on a supernatural level). I'm just wondering how someone as devout as Evid3nc3 was reconciled this. I suppose simply learning of the possibility would be enough for some, but others are too devout for that simplicity.
BigLundi 8 months ago
Incredible. I grew up standing alone, surrounded by a sea of Christians. I never had to deconvert as from the very beginning I didn't subscribe to anything they peddled. I can see how tumultuous and profound this experience could have been.
Seikhupatz 9 months ago
To this day I'm overwhelmed by the cold indifference christians have when watching your videos evid3nc3. That's not to say that christians are cold people, far from it, but that they refuse to accept the difficulty one faces when deconverting. I wonder sometimes how you feel when you have one community that fully understands you, and your previous community that looks at your story and shrugs.
I'm personally touched by your story every time I watch it, and cringe at some of the comments.
SamdeSquirell 9 months ago 82
Truth is powerful.
alive4ever1 9 months ago
Chris, my own deconversion went slower for me and I began to question everything. Eventually, I started using freeform meditation with an intense focus on learning the truth and, over time, that feeling of supreme guidance returned. But its nature had changed. What I saw in visions and experienced through knowings was a higher, spiritual reality where our combined souls have a God-like existance. This is the power at the root of every religion which has become their Gods and philosophies.
Chipymonk 9 months ago
This is similar to my experience when I found out there was no Santa Claus.
Mswordx23 9 months ago
It is pretty hard to wake up and realize you cannot pray anymore, because you know that no one is listening. Prayer was the hardest thing for me to give up, but i got used to not praying with time.
konstelacioni11 9 months ago