This is the first bit of actual Chinese language I've heard, and I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised. Most people stereotypically say Chinese sounds like "ping pong jang" or whatever, but that doesn't seem to be the case. What a beautiful sounding language!
This is the first clip of Beijing Opera I've ever seen, now one of my dreams in life is to see a live performance :) Absolutely amazing, the drums sounded like continuous anticipation following the performers' every move. Very exciting! Much respect to this art and its long history.
I love Chinese Opera. So glad China is reclaiming its heritage from mayhem of Cultural Revolution. China will enrich our world, expand our horizons. Wish there were move Confucian schools throughout the world...
@whelljack yes, and you had buggers on your nose, shit on your hands, food in your teeth ... but chinese opera have that wonderfull make up on, their beautiful costumes, great skills as actors and martial art tecniques... singers..they're great!
I'm Chinese myself, I don't understand a word of what's going on, but I've got a lot of respect for these performers because I love the...I don't know. I just find something fulfilling about it. They've certainly got a ton of control...maneuvering like that in those costumes is certainly difficult.
And yes, the gong is a little clamorous, but that's all part of it.
This is the story after Wei Army was defeated at the battle of Chi Bi and CaoCao was escaping when he met zhao yun, zhang fei and Guan Yu who later allow CaoCao to escape
To a Westerner steeped in the Western traditions, a lot of this looks unintentionally comical; although I surmise it is dead serious for those in the know. I thoroughly enjoy it.
I was actually thrilled when I stumbled across this clip as I have actually read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and seeing both Cao Cao and Guan Yu being portrayed in this opera made my day. Chinese culture has always fascinated me.
to me it sounds a bit like death metal...this is probably where death metal got its' roots from :)))) hahaha
just kidding
people have to learn that they cannot expect the european opera to resemble the chinese opera....first of all,the chinese use many unusual instruments,not to mention the kind of sounds that their language involves
Thanks so much, galleriapangea! We're doing a chinese play called "monkey, monkey" about the monkey king at my school. We need to research chinese theater before we begin rehearsing. This was a big help!
It feel so weird. I don't get it, and I want to, but I just cant. I may sound impolite, but even if this is an important part of chinese, I don't understand nothing about the video.
You don't have to. Every time an act will begin, you have a small explanation about where and who they are (characters), and then on begins the play. Even though you don't speak chinese (trust me, I don't), once you see it you kind of realize what this is all about, but you have to see it to know what I'm talking about. In a book, you imagine the scenery and the characters; in the opera, you kind of imagine what they are talking, although in some theaters may come with subtitles the play.
Dude in gold is talking. Dudes in blue and white run in and fight. Then hench blue dude fights with gold dude. Then some other dudes wander in and I get lost and give up trying.
even as a chinese, i cant understand what they re saying and doing, but it does not stop me from watching- im just enjoying the atmosphere. i remember at my youth, i always dash to see chinese opera in rural village when there were shows. i understand no thing but just enjoying. a touching memory...
I love this in 5th grade I won 1st place by doing this for a Science Project I love It I appreciate all cultures and there influence on western society Yay
When I was a kid I used to laugh at this, now that I am older, I understand Peking Opera to be one of the bedrocks of Chinese artforms and high culture.
Also, This is a very good performance amongst all the ones you find here on Youtube.
You may love or loathe this music, but there's no need to be rude. Try broadening your horizons, so that you can respect other cultures. And in the process you might as well improve your spelling skills in English.
brilliant. very skilled and well produced. colorful too. the constant firealarm or saucepan banging makes the opera more effective. think i go get my frying pan and spoon and join in with the banging.
China as a great civilization prevailing on this planet for thousands years will never lose its precious culture treasure such as Jingju due to 'western arts'. If you are fan of any genuine art, you will appieciate the great art, Jingju, i.e. Beijing Opera.
I guess you have to listen and watch for a while to get the hang of what's going on. It is very interesting but all I could tell is that there is a battle. The music requires some getting used to. I believe this is 12 toned music as opposed to the 8 tones of Western music. Is that right?
I like Korea more than China, but its truth that koreans copied many aspects of chinese culture and more than 50% of korean vocabulary have their origin in chinese.
I like Beijing opera than japanese noh theater of kabuki play. China is the source of East asian cultures so this is not a korean or japanese original. The Beijing opera is a Chinese original.
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Chinese and Koreans have their own unique culture. Both cultures are not stolen from each other's culture. Maybe before you guys fuck other culture, you should first check your stupidity
Korean culture is effected from Chinese cultural, it's reality, but now koreans are trying to steal chinese culture and history, only prove you guys' idoit personality.
@2008NND i take this personally dude, and if u haven't noticed yet, korea's pretty damn far from china to be stealing an entire culture from them. besides, regions living on one continent or another will have similar cultures. everyone knows that. now start blaming the vietnamese and laos and japanese too or just be quiet
@profoundmemory well i know enough about the martial art aspect seeing as i did isshin ryu for four years and wing chun for one year and also i know ppl who do hwaragdo and they do use a kata like sword but it has no handguard.... and i never said they stole the whole culture just certan aspects of it.... katanas are good swords and get the job done... so why not use em??
If you peeps like this then you should read up on China's history. I'm sure you peeps know that they are our hero warriors turn god. So it's kinda fun watching them tell story like that. Knowing the story and watching them makes it easier to understand... =p
the flages on their backs is call order flag..once they need to make an order/decision they need to pull out the flag and gave it to a soldier and carry out the order...
That's very good thing. I'm only fifteen myself but I'm really interested in different cultures and the arts. This young generation needs something more than just rap to fill their interests. ;)
When I was 12 or 13 I was watching IFC and Raise the Red Lantern came on. I loved the movie and the Third Mistress's singing introduced me to Chinese Opera. Since then I've really been interested in the art form low these couple of years later. XD
The sound quality of the video doesn't help, in real life it's not quite so jarring. But the drum making that "noise", like much of the music of the opera, comes from the Taoist traditions. On my first visit to China I was fortunate to see the opera and also be in attendance at a Taoist ceremony in Hangzhou. We were hiking through the mountains when a music that reminded us instantly of West African religious music drew us to an old temple. The opera and music of the Tao are the same.
You don't have to think too deep...the music is just a way to build up the climax of the fight...and allow the transition from one part of the story to another, of course every drum hit, bamboo hit sound and so on is in alignment with the movements of the actors...
could someone please explain to me the reason why everything is underlayed with this "noise"? whats the meaning of that? are there parts in the opera which have a melody and music and singing? or is it all like the shown scenes here?
I dare you all to find out the more about what scene this opera is based on!!! Have you all heard of Romance of the Three Kingdom!!! I dare you to get hold of a copy and start reading. It is a life changing, great piece of work. And perhaps then, you'll have some appreciation of this opera.
Well said. "San Guo Yi Yin" is one of the greatest books I've ever read and I'm not even Chinese. The only other epic that has had as much of an impact on me has been one from my own heritage "The Epic of Sundjiata", the founder of the Malian empire. Both stories weave symbolism and historical accounts masterfully to give a rich timeless narrative of politics and society. And both epics form the foundation of their respective cultures. Though Sundjiata is difficult to find outside Africa.
I agree. What attracted me instantly to Chinese theatre was that I could find San guo characters within Chinese xiqu and watch tons of plays about the san guo yan yi in xiqu style. If I'm not mistaken this whole clip is taken from a Jingju production of Hua Rong Dao "The Hua Rong Path" where Cao Cao is fleeing the Chibi fight and Guan Yu corners him only to let him go due to his past debts to Cao.
It's true there's such a disconnect between the finer points of Chinese culture and people who spawned it. The drumming is actually from the Taoist tradition, anyone who's seen a Taoist ceremony knows what I'm talking about, and unfortunately today many Chinese have no knowledge of the Tao. I'm not Chinese, my heritage lies is Africa and we have much the same problem, so many of our proud traditions are lost on this current generation.
it is funny, and if you want to know more Chinese cluture,you could find a chinese friend firstly I think.Ah,maybe you can search a Chinese friend on italki
ys i supposes you'r right, it looks as if it has something there, but i am not a deep enough person to understand. i suppose its because i was raised in Hong Kong.. so busy and bustling.. ive never been taught of it. but. i personally dislike the noise, i dont hate what it is but more specific things
For future making of Chinese Xiju videos I'd liek to know if anyone else agrees with using Xiju (theatrical performance), in place of opera. I say this because opera is an artform developed in the west and Chinese theatre was not inspired by opera but was developed in different areas of China. Instead of BeiJing opera, use Jingju. What are people's opinions on that topic?
The problem with using Jingju instead of Beijing opera is people who is not familiar with Chinese culture would have no idea what jingju is. Beijing opera seems more straight forward. People will have a general idea.
While this is True, if you use bother terms then people may start picking up on it. If you say something like "This is a clip of a Traditional Jingju (Beijing Opera)..." then we can start to try to phase the term out of use and replace it with the proper term.
I mean...We call it Kabuki, not Japanese Commedia or some silly thing like that.
On the topic of music...If you sit down and watch a few Jingju, you might learn to like it. I did...
@JamesSchirmer I watched this clip. This was my first exposure to Chinese "opera." I was certainly surprised not to hear any singing. To me, the word "opera" implies singing. This was more like dancing, I would say. Or marching.
@straightarrow372 acturally it is not opera, but it is difficult to translate, there is no words in english that is appropriate. Singing and dancing are parts of Peking Opera.
The battle music is awesome. It would be great to hear this live. I'd like to get these guys into the studio, add some kettle drums and heavy bass and, voila! Heavy sounds.
I don't really know why, but that was really cool! The only thing I did not like about it was that the battle music got kind of annoying after about a couple of minutes
Im so deeply saddened to read the comments of those of you whom bad mouth something youve never truly experienced. If you dont like it, that is on you. But show some respect. This is a type of art. Whether you like it or not. Peoples blood, sweat, and tears went into this piece. Show them some sort of descent respect.
In China, gongs and drums were used as battle signals, so it's unsurprising that a seemingly random crashing of gongs would be playing during a fight scene.
yourselves! Don't watch it! This is a place for people who enjoy arts. I hate people who dislike something just because its foreign. GROW UP YOU NARROW MINDED MAGGOTS. THE WORLD DOES NOT EVOLVE AROUND YOU AND YOUR INTERESTS.
do you know how hard it is to do chinese opera? It is a beautiful art.
I didn't say anything about your country, but if you're going to badmouth another country's music, I think you're fighting an uphill battle when your country exports ABBA, the worst group in human history, to the rest of the world. They're your flagship band and banging rocks together is more entertaining.
ABBA's great. "SOS" is a killer song. If the Swedes have to answer for ABBA, the U.S. has batallions of shite music ("Fall Out Boy," "EMINEM," "PEE DIDDY") to answer for.
You are right, I'm chinese but I find these opera music to be quite annoying as well. I wonder if this type of performance originated from Manchurians or Northern Asian cultures. Bcuz I don't think Han or Tang people came up with this.
George Bernard Shaw asked Mei Lan Fang that same question, Mei's answer was that in the old days Chinese Xiju used to be performed for the masses so, they would make sure that the music reached the back rows of these masses.
But, I don't think it is meaningful to rate operas on any sort of objective way (that 1 is necessarily "better" than the other). It's not surprising to hear that Jingju is something that is difficult to listen to; I think different operatic styles play to a different array of sensibilities.
Jingju is probably well-like only in northern China. In the south, there are other more tuneful and equally well spread and loved operas. And many think that Chaoju is the King of Chinese opera, becos every show's arias are unique & are not repeated unlike other operas where there are a limited number of tunes and only the lyrics are changed.
One thing that makes Jingju special is that it was created as an amalgam of many different styles. It draws from Suzhou Kunqu, Anhui Huiju, Qinqiang, Hebei Bangzi etc. I think you may be reasonable in saying it is "overrated," (and that overrating probably comes a large part from a century imperial sponsorship and a high profile existence in the capital city).
No, Jingju is well-like in southern China. As a matter of fact, the name Jingju is first used by the Shanghainese newspaper Shen Bao in 1870's. In northern Chinese cities like Beijing and Tianjin it is still called Pi Huang Xi.
Also, I have yet met a Chaoju opera singer who thinks Chaoju is the King of Opera. It is dated only from 1920's. The Nan Xi of Fujian was popular in the Song which gave way to Kun Qu of Jiangsu in Ming and eventually replaced by Pi Huang in the Qing. Cantonese Opera is a director descendant of Han Ju, a Pi Huang form. Pi refers to the puppet opera from Shaanxi which is based on Ban Zi Opera.
Excellent and very well done. Which opera co is this?
As a southerner, I think Jingju is the most over-rated. It is jarring and for me cannot be listened to for more than 15 mins. I think Yueju (Shanghai) is the most tuneful, Yueju(Cantonese) is easiest to hum along musically, Gezaixi has the most sorrowful tune, and Chaoju is the most exotic.
This is Jingju. A story called "battle of the red cliff" from the romance of the three kingdoms. Beijing Opera (Jingju) is the best spread and most liked form in China.
Haha, perhaos your Chinese language is not good enough to understand what they are singing. I speak quite a few north and south Chinese languages, all the major operas have their good elements. The Wu Xi(martial art scenes) of Jingju and Shaanxi Banzi are the best, and Kunqu is the best for its love stories.
I do understand the Chinese of Jingju; it is the falsetto voice (of both the huadan and some xiaosheng) that I find jarring after a while.I am OK with laodan and laosheng voice.
Well, there are many different forms of Chinese used in Jingju: Zhongyuan, Beijing, Jiangnan, etc, for different roles and context. European Opera also uses 'falset
Can someone point out the characters i can only recognize cao cao
FalseProphet501 1 week ago
how boring, just fighting.
ruzickaw 4 months ago
it may be the origin of western metal songs.
mapscraper 5 months ago 3
interesting. greetings from serbia!
petrashin1941 6 months ago
This is the first bit of actual Chinese language I've heard, and I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised. Most people stereotypically say Chinese sounds like "ping pong jang" or whatever, but that doesn't seem to be the case. What a beautiful sounding language!
ItachiTenshi 6 months ago 3
This is the first clip of Beijing Opera I've ever seen, now one of my dreams in life is to see a live performance :) Absolutely amazing, the drums sounded like continuous anticipation following the performers' every move. Very exciting! Much respect to this art and its long history.
indienonie 7 months ago
what is that sinister sounding gong at the begining called?
jakman182 7 months ago
sounded no worse than some of the death metal the west produces i guess...
MyNameIsEarl1066 10 months ago
@MyNameIsEarl1066 There are death metal bands all over the world
destructicon500 7 months ago
I love Chinese Opera. So glad China is reclaiming its heritage from mayhem of Cultural Revolution. China will enrich our world, expand our horizons. Wish there were move Confucian schools throughout the world...
adasaro50 11 months ago
my children loves the chinese opera.greeting form chile south america
whelljack 11 months ago
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whelljack 11 months ago
@whelljack yes, and you had buggers on your nose, shit on your hands, food in your teeth ... but chinese opera have that wonderfull make up on, their beautiful costumes, great skills as actors and martial art tecniques... singers..they're great!
silvicurlytop 7 months ago
I'm Chinese myself, I don't understand a word of what's going on, but I've got a lot of respect for these performers because I love the...I don't know. I just find something fulfilling about it. They've certainly got a ton of control...maneuvering like that in those costumes is certainly difficult.
And yes, the gong is a little clamorous, but that's all part of it.
velutican618 1 year ago
LOL
pulsivesilver 1 year ago
hells yea
narutoforever1 1 year ago
hells yea nikker
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narutoforever1 1 year ago
This is the story after Wei Army was defeated at the battle of Chi Bi and CaoCao was escaping when he met zhao yun, zhang fei and Guan Yu who later allow CaoCao to escape
ahHao1988 1 year ago
@ahHao1988 Dynasty Warriors?
wpierre1994 1 year ago
I don't know whether I should laugh at the acting or be wowed by the art...
kitty0tikara 1 year ago
Is this Sophocle's Antigone ?
tululah10 1 year ago
Gong much? But still that was quite something!
jamesaellis 1 year ago
aaaaaahh!!!! con que de ahi salieron los power rangers
pSycHedeLik360098 1 year ago
Wow...I just wondering, I have never seen it before...
ChErRiEsLoVeR32 1 year ago
I love those outfits.
AsellusPrimus 1 year ago
wtf?
luishem 1 year ago
Wow...I would love to see this live...I may not know the lang but I would still enjoy this.
MsRDidi13 1 year ago
i loooooove u XD
Sowrdsman56 1 year ago
does anyone know what kind of instruments they use to make those fight scenes so intense?
celethon 1 year ago
@celethon Chinese Gong
MsAcangie 1 year ago
To a Westerner steeped in the Western traditions, a lot of this looks unintentionally comical; although I surmise it is dead serious for those in the know. I thoroughly enjoy it.
robertschelly 1 year ago 4
It has something mezmerizing about it...
Ganymed88 1 year ago
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MrAndrewWong 1 year ago
Its haku and melotah!
OniLunchbox 1 year ago
was that guan yu from the action figures I saw in china.
Hes pretty cool looking, was he a real person or made up?
poopaholictar 1 year ago
what a noise.. (!)
Erik12818 1 year ago
that's a whole lot of gong!!!
sjjjjjjjr 1 year ago
very good!
Drysdry 2 years ago
I was actually thrilled when I stumbled across this clip as I have actually read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and seeing both Cao Cao and Guan Yu being portrayed in this opera made my day. Chinese culture has always fascinated me.
metalhead531 2 years ago 5
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namfamily2202 2 years ago
Awesome.
Anima10pontonet 2 years ago
to me it sounds a bit like death metal...this is probably where death metal got its' roots from :)))) hahaha
just kidding
people have to learn that they cannot expect the european opera to resemble the chinese opera....first of all,the chinese use many unusual instruments,not to mention the kind of sounds that their language involves
valentinabrindusoiu 2 years ago 6
Thanks so much, galleriapangea! We're doing a chinese play called "monkey, monkey" about the monkey king at my school. We need to research chinese theater before we begin rehearsing. This was a big help!
Psizzzzzzle 2 years ago 2
It feel so weird. I don't get it, and I want to, but I just cant. I may sound impolite, but even if this is an important part of chinese, I don't understand nothing about the video.
iruka93 2 years ago 4
You don't have to. Every time an act will begin, you have a small explanation about where and who they are (characters), and then on begins the play. Even though you don't speak chinese (trust me, I don't), once you see it you kind of realize what this is all about, but you have to see it to know what I'm talking about. In a book, you imagine the scenery and the characters; in the opera, you kind of imagine what they are talking, although in some theaters may come with subtitles the play.
elpanfis 2 years ago 4
Dude in gold is talking. Dudes in blue and white run in and fight. Then hench blue dude fights with gold dude. Then some other dudes wander in and I get lost and give up trying.
GenericOverusedName 2 years ago 2
even as a chinese, i cant understand what they re saying and doing, but it does not stop me from watching- im just enjoying the atmosphere. i remember at my youth, i always dash to see chinese opera in rural village when there were shows. i understand no thing but just enjoying. a touching memory...
mapscraper 2 years ago 3
I love this in 5th grade I won 1st place by doing this for a Science Project I love It I appreciate all cultures and there influence on western society Yay
Edscew 2 years ago
When I was a kid I used to laugh at this, now that I am older, I understand Peking Opera to be one of the bedrocks of Chinese artforms and high culture.
Also, This is a very good performance amongst all the ones you find here on Youtube.
bigfatdick5000 2 years ago 2
This is one of the coolest things on the planet. =]
InsanityxDefence 2 years ago 4
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this noise herts my ears!!!
turtaleater 2 years ago
Dear turtaleater,
You may love or loathe this music, but there's no need to be rude. Try broadening your horizons, so that you can respect other cultures. And in the process you might as well improve your spelling skills in English.
Have a nice day.
ropolso 2 years ago 32
Chinese opera is an acquired taste. You may not like it but it is an important part of Chinese culture.
Bloodlovefreak 2 years ago 6
brilliant. very skilled and well produced. colorful too. the constant firealarm or saucepan banging makes the opera more effective. think i go get my frying pan and spoon and join in with the banging.
sounds beautiful.
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omg thease shitfags riped off silkroad online. i would well pwn them. i am insulted by this cheap immitation of silkorad online.
keir150 2 years ago
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Seriously, AGGRAVATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jewelrylover111 2 years ago
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i never liked it. Wonder if it will lost in time as the new generations are more into western arts.
baraclude 2 years ago
China as a great civilization prevailing on this planet for thousands years will never lose its precious culture treasure such as Jingju due to 'western arts'. If you are fan of any genuine art, you will appieciate the great art, Jingju, i.e. Beijing Opera.
percysong 2 years ago 35
i'm a fan just wish there was subs 4 the rest of us folks u know
tisalew 2 years ago 2
im a fan of chinese opera as well. my grandparents listen to suzhou opera almost daily. i really like beijing opera. (peking opera)
On1y1Ch1na 2 years ago 3
I fully agree, but why put Western Art in brackets?
vanderbilt887 2 years ago 2
Nice acrobatics - 2.45 - 2.59. The're performing real stunts!
yastunt 2 years ago 5
is this lu bu vs the 3 brothers?
senthyril 2 years ago
no. the story is about caocao lost the CHIBI campaign in 208 AD, and on his way of retreat.
jsteel100 2 years ago 4
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no. the story is about caocao lost the CHIBI campaign in 208 AD, and on his way of retreat.
jsteel100 2 years ago
I think the cowbell player must have forearms the size of small children. 2:19 he switches arms...
joesvendsen 2 years ago
cool
muop92 2 years ago
im going to beijing this summer... and im guna go c this but it seems weird...=__=
bananatree94 2 years ago
why is this in an how it's made playlist Oo
orenco 2 years ago 2
uh...wow.
TheCoolWiiPlayer22 2 years ago
I wanna see Beijing opera someday *_*
BouBouMikuMikuBou 2 years ago
I guess you have to listen and watch for a while to get the hang of what's going on. It is very interesting but all I could tell is that there is a battle. The music requires some getting used to. I believe this is 12 toned music as opposed to the 8 tones of Western music. Is that right?
NKWIAM 2 years ago
The Guan Yu's character is amazing! I love his performance! He has a very strong presence at the stage.
IchbinSchalker 2 years ago 5
I like Korea more than China, but its truth that koreans copied many aspects of chinese culture and more than 50% of korean vocabulary have their origin in chinese.
gongzhu26 3 years ago
I like Beijing opera than japanese noh theater of kabuki play. China is the source of East asian cultures so this is not a korean or japanese original. The Beijing opera is a Chinese original.
jie2se7en 3 years ago
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Chinese and Koreans have their own unique culture. Both cultures are not stolen from each other's culture. Maybe before you guys fuck other culture, you should first check your stupidity
GUTismine 3 years ago
Korean culture is effected from Chinese cultural, it's reality, but now koreans are trying to steal chinese culture and history, only prove you guys' idoit personality.
jsy72ocean 3 years ago 5
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i think this to be the Korea origin...
the pekuche masque of of ancient Korea dynasty was handed down to China.
sippaljap90 3 years ago
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fuck korea steal all culture from china, and said they all original from korea,
2008NND 3 years ago 14
@2008NND yup you know even Sakyamuni is Korean =_=
ppw8626 1 year ago
@2008NND
YOU BEEETHRAY KOREA!!!!!
BuffyNatalieGagaFan 1 year ago
@2008NND Buddy? Why so hostile?
Eoayn 1 year ago 3
@2008NND i take this personally dude, and if u haven't noticed yet, korea's pretty damn far from china to be stealing an entire culture from them. besides, regions living on one continent or another will have similar cultures. everyone knows that. now start blaming the vietnamese and laos and japanese too or just be quiet
Bookeater42 1 year ago
@Bookeater42 yaa some of the culture was stolen from japan too :) just look at their martial arts they use katanas with no hand guard!!
yusifabdalbarr87 1 year ago
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profoundmemory 1 year ago
@yusifabdalbarr87 you just shown that u knew nothing abt chinese and japanese culture and history,better refer
wikipedia or others books b4 u make any comment
profoundmemory 1 year ago
@profoundmemory well i know enough about the martial art aspect seeing as i did isshin ryu for four years and wing chun for one year and also i know ppl who do hwaragdo and they do use a kata like sword but it has no handguard.... and i never said they stole the whole culture just certan aspects of it.... katanas are good swords and get the job done... so why not use em??
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Koreans motherfuckers!
dlpetta 3 years ago 11
I like watching this. But the music damn it sounds like pots and pans with no rhythm.
xnoodsx 3 years ago
How interesting! The music is what drew me to love Peking Opera. Hopefully you'll grow to embrace it, it's really incredible.
IotaCarinae 3 years ago
If you peeps like this then you should read up on China's history. I'm sure you peeps know that they are our hero warriors turn god. So it's kinda fun watching them tell story like that. Knowing the story and watching them makes it easier to understand... =p
Summer1989 3 years ago
Why do they wear those flags on their backs?
worras2007 3 years ago
the flages on their backs is call order flag..once they need to make an order/decision they need to pull out the flag and gave it to a soldier and carry out the order...
popking 3 years ago
man i always this was dumb, but then i realized this is a very valuable part of my own culture after i grew up, lol
Calbeee 3 years ago
peking opera is the nuts man...
andrew3656 3 years ago
im doing a project on chinese opera for university, and i was a unsure on what to do, but after watching this my head is filled with ideas.
great stuff
00trousertrout00 3 years ago
A very dramatic gungfu on stage art.
paramitala 3 years ago 2
for some very off reason.. .
i find this intresting..:D
even though im only a teen. :D
KawaiiAi7 3 years ago 2
That's very good thing. I'm only fifteen myself but I'm really interested in different cultures and the arts. This young generation needs something more than just rap to fill their interests. ;)
thecritiquevirtuoso 3 years ago 2
DITTO!!! :)
mmmmansions 3 years ago
When I was 12 or 13 I was watching IFC and Raise the Red Lantern came on. I loved the movie and the Third Mistress's singing introduced me to Chinese Opera. Since then I've really been interested in the art form low these couple of years later. XD
MoonLitBunny 3 years ago
Love their costume, so colorful and dramatic...especially the flags on their back XD...and their painted face, too.
demitri1011 3 years ago
ok forget the question about melody and msuic. found loads of other examples of the chinese opera...but still: whats the meaning behind this noise?
GeilerRitter 3 years ago
The sound quality of the video doesn't help, in real life it's not quite so jarring. But the drum making that "noise", like much of the music of the opera, comes from the Taoist traditions. On my first visit to China I was fortunate to see the opera and also be in attendance at a Taoist ceremony in Hangzhou. We were hiking through the mountains when a music that reminded us instantly of West African religious music drew us to an old temple. The opera and music of the Tao are the same.
iArsalan 3 years ago
You don't have to think too deep...the music is just a way to build up the climax of the fight...and allow the transition from one part of the story to another, of course every drum hit, bamboo hit sound and so on is in alignment with the movements of the actors...
armyboy24 3 years ago
could someone please explain to me the reason why everything is underlayed with this "noise"? whats the meaning of that? are there parts in the opera which have a melody and music and singing? or is it all like the shown scenes here?
GeilerRitter 3 years ago
beatifull very beatifull
whelljack 3 years ago
does anyone know what the name of the percussion instrument making the higher pitched, annoying noise is called. is it a xiaoluo?
madn1ce 4 years ago
I dare you all to find out the more about what scene this opera is based on!!! Have you all heard of Romance of the Three Kingdom!!! I dare you to get hold of a copy and start reading. It is a life changing, great piece of work. And perhaps then, you'll have some appreciation of this opera.
snowmanma 4 years ago
Well said. "San Guo Yi Yin" is one of the greatest books I've ever read and I'm not even Chinese. The only other epic that has had as much of an impact on me has been one from my own heritage "The Epic of Sundjiata", the founder of the Malian empire. Both stories weave symbolism and historical accounts masterfully to give a rich timeless narrative of politics and society. And both epics form the foundation of their respective cultures. Though Sundjiata is difficult to find outside Africa.
iArsalan 3 years ago 3
I agree. What attracted me instantly to Chinese theatre was that I could find San guo characters within Chinese xiqu and watch tons of plays about the san guo yan yi in xiqu style. If I'm not mistaken this whole clip is taken from a Jingju production of Hua Rong Dao "The Hua Rong Path" where Cao Cao is fleeing the Chibi fight and Guan Yu corners him only to let him go due to his past debts to Cao.
JamesSchirmer 3 years ago
Excellent ! thanks for sharing.
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klss 4 years ago
does any1 no where i can download chinese opera coz my grandma likes 2 listen to it but i dont no where 2 get songs from
lilyhuynh89 4 years ago
It's true there's such a disconnect between the finer points of Chinese culture and people who spawned it. The drumming is actually from the Taoist tradition, anyone who's seen a Taoist ceremony knows what I'm talking about, and unfortunately today many Chinese have no knowledge of the Tao. I'm not Chinese, my heritage lies is Africa and we have much the same problem, so many of our proud traditions are lost on this current generation.
iArsalan 4 years ago
I like the way they move. This is an outstanding performance but the noise is very distracting.
Musikwissenschaftler 4 years ago
thanks for sharing. 2007-12-31 Views： 30,066
klss 4 years ago
it is funny, and if you want to know more Chinese cluture,you could find a chinese friend firstly I think.Ah,maybe you can search a Chinese friend on italki
linkly6 4 years ago
i totally agree, i'm chinese too... but this is hilarious
britishchineseguy 4 years ago
That's only because you dont understand the deep cultural significance of this piece nor do you understand the symbolism behind each movement.
WuDiTieJingGang 4 years ago 2
ys i supposes you'r right, it looks as if it has something there, but i am not a deep enough person to understand. i suppose its because i was raised in Hong Kong.. so busy and bustling.. ive never been taught of it. but. i personally dislike the noise, i dont hate what it is but more specific things
britishchineseguy 4 years ago
For future making of Chinese Xiju videos I'd liek to know if anyone else agrees with using Xiju (theatrical performance), in place of opera. I say this because opera is an artform developed in the west and Chinese theatre was not inspired by opera but was developed in different areas of China. Instead of BeiJing opera, use Jingju. What are people's opinions on that topic?
JamesSchirmer 4 years ago
The problem with using Jingju instead of Beijing opera is people who is not familiar with Chinese culture would have no idea what jingju is. Beijing opera seems more straight forward. People will have a general idea.
galleriapangea 4 years ago
While this is True, if you use bother terms then people may start picking up on it. If you say something like "This is a clip of a Traditional Jingju (Beijing Opera)..." then we can start to try to phase the term out of use and replace it with the proper term.
I mean...We call it Kabuki, not Japanese Commedia or some silly thing like that.
On the topic of music...If you sit down and watch a few Jingju, you might learn to like it. I did...
Gensuke626 4 years ago
@JamesSchirmer I watched this clip. This was my first exposure to Chinese "opera." I was certainly surprised not to hear any singing. To me, the word "opera" implies singing. This was more like dancing, I would say. Or marching.
straightarrow372 1 year ago
@straightarrow372 acturally it is not opera, but it is difficult to translate, there is no words in english that is appropriate. Singing and dancing are parts of Peking Opera.
MsAcangie 1 year ago
@straightarrow372 This scene doesn't have any dialogues that's why.
kickiniitbak 1 year ago
@straightarrow372 cause this is just one part form the full vision u watched ,it is not complete
profoundmemory 1 year ago
The dancing was amazing, especially the flips. And the outfits were lovely. It must've taken many years to perfect this.
The music was annoying, but I guess it was a battle scene so it shouldn't have been beautiful ^^;
xMushroom 4 years ago 2
The battle music is awesome. It would be great to hear this live. I'd like to get these guys into the studio, add some kettle drums and heavy bass and, voila! Heavy sounds.
MCKRUSH 4 years ago
I've seen it live and it's far more extreme to me than harsh noise/power electronics/lo-fi metal.
spacem00se 4 years ago
for real.
MCKRUSH 4 years ago
I don't really know why, but that was really cool! The only thing I did not like about it was that the battle music got kind of annoying after about a couple of minutes
MangaKaMokuteki1 4 years ago
Im so deeply saddened to read the comments of those of you whom bad mouth something youve never truly experienced. If you dont like it, that is on you. But show some respect. This is a type of art. Whether you like it or not. Peoples blood, sweat, and tears went into this piece. Show them some sort of descent respect.
tickora16juggalette 4 years ago 4
Very nice video. The costumes are so colorful and well-designed. The next best thing to being there in person!
newsguy1972 4 years ago 2
In China, gongs and drums were used as battle signals, so it's unsurprising that a seemingly random crashing of gongs would be playing during a fight scene.
seikaku 4 years ago 3
If you guys don't like it then just go %9#@
yourselves! Don't watch it! This is a place for people who enjoy arts. I hate people who dislike something just because its foreign. GROW UP YOU NARROW MINDED MAGGOTS. THE WORLD DOES NOT EVOLVE AROUND YOU AND YOUR INTERESTS.
do you know how hard it is to do chinese opera? It is a beautiful art.
danceof1000godesses 4 years ago 2
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Hey, you know what's a good idea?! Let's bang on a bunch of pots and pans and call it music!
vasamin 4 years ago
Chinese civilization is one of the oldest surviving cultures on Earth. Show some respect, you fucking maggot.
Graphic36 4 years ago
I don't care how old it is their "music" is terrible.
vasamin 4 years ago
It's much better than ABBA, that's for sure.
Graphic36 4 years ago
1) Just because I'm Swedish doesn't mean I like ABBA.
2) I honestly could care less what you think of my country.
vasamin 4 years ago
I didn't say anything about your country, but if you're going to badmouth another country's music, I think you're fighting an uphill battle when your country exports ABBA, the worst group in human history, to the rest of the world. They're your flagship band and banging rocks together is more entertaining.
Graphic36 4 years ago
ABBA's great. "SOS" is a killer song. If the Swedes have to answer for ABBA, the U.S. has batallions of shite music ("Fall Out Boy," "EMINEM," "PEE DIDDY") to answer for.
MCKRUSH 4 years ago
just as i get over a headache! this performance i didnt particulary like, but thats my oppinion, i do think their costumes are nice
flightattendant01 4 years ago
the music is so annoying how can they stand listening to that for so long?
madn1ce 4 years ago
You are right, I'm chinese but I find these opera music to be quite annoying as well. I wonder if this type of performance originated from Manchurians or Northern Asian cultures. Bcuz I don't think Han or Tang people came up with this.
danpt2000 4 years ago
since you chinese were conquered by Mongols, so probably it is Mongolian but just a little bit adjusted in a Chinese way...
ka5hm0n3y 4 years ago
Or Jurchen, or Manchurian. All of which are Northern Asians.
danpt2000 4 years ago
George Bernard Shaw asked Mei Lan Fang that same question, Mei's answer was that in the old days Chinese Xiju used to be performed for the masses so, they would make sure that the music reached the back rows of these masses.
JamesSchirmer 4 years ago 2
It is Cao Cao, not Chao Chao : )
ShadowFoxHound 4 years ago
anybody ever watch this while f**ked up?
vuduchild27 4 years ago
jup
not a good idea...trust me
ryuhinomaru 4 years ago
why do they wear costumes that are so wide at the hips? And the make up is very extravagant.
danpt2000 4 years ago
Men were supposed to be big.
WuDiTieJingGang 4 years ago
esse e' o verdadeiro samba do crioulo doido
Hauerhauer 4 years ago
Oh... My head... >_< But, I love the coreography of the battle *w* And the costumes
dhaosphak 4 years ago
very good. who acts chaochao?
xdg1979 4 years ago
袁世海
wwigbc 4 years ago
华容道
xuhenryca 4 years ago
This is from Chi Bi (the red cliff). They are making a movie on this story too.
galleriapangea 4 years ago
Ni hao! Thanks for this great performance clip, is it from the White Serpent? Hsieh-Hsieh, ni! Tzai Jian!
bodhranmaster 4 years ago
This was so annoying.
FuneralDusk 4 years ago
Yuan Shihai is the best "hualian" actor
xiaobai5 4 years ago
Chaoju is opera of the Chaozhou (aka Teochew)region of southeast Guangdong.
OperafanSingapore 4 years ago
and.....Chaozhou music (which is what you hear in Chaoju) was the first genre of Chinese music explored by Liu Dehai in his "Action One Project"
OperafanSingapore 4 years ago
i hope there's english subtitle....
spoliarium98 4 years ago
But, I don't think it is meaningful to rate operas on any sort of objective way (that 1 is necessarily "better" than the other). It's not surprising to hear that Jingju is something that is difficult to listen to; I think different operatic styles play to a different array of sensibilities.
I've never heard Chaoju, can you link me?
thevizier 4 years ago
I totally agree with you. It's impossible to judge if one is better than the other. It's the matter of personal opinion.
I don't know anything about Chaoju either.
galleriapangea 4 years ago
So good
XarxesB 4 years ago
Thanks. but which opera company ?
Jingju is probably well-like only in northern China. In the south, there are other more tuneful and equally well spread and loved operas. And many think that Chaoju is the King of Chinese opera, becos every show's arias are unique & are not repeated unlike other operas where there are a limited number of tunes and only the lyrics are changed.
OperafanSingapore 4 years ago
One thing that makes Jingju special is that it was created as an amalgam of many different styles. It draws from Suzhou Kunqu, Anhui Huiju, Qinqiang, Hebei Bangzi etc. I think you may be reasonable in saying it is "overrated," (and that overrating probably comes a large part from a century imperial sponsorship and a high profile existence in the capital city).
thevizier 4 years ago
No, Jingju is well-like in southern China. As a matter of fact, the name Jingju is first used by the Shanghainese newspaper Shen Bao in 1870's. In northern Chinese cities like Beijing and Tianjin it is still called Pi Huang Xi.
chihlitiger 4 years ago
Also, I have yet met a Chaoju opera singer who thinks Chaoju is the King of Opera. It is dated only from 1920's. The Nan Xi of Fujian was popular in the Song which gave way to Kun Qu of Jiangsu in Ming and eventually replaced by Pi Huang in the Qing. Cantonese Opera is a director descendant of Han Ju, a Pi Huang form. Pi refers to the puppet opera from Shaanxi which is based on Ban Zi Opera.
chihlitiger 4 years ago
Excellent and very well done. Which opera co is this?
As a southerner, I think Jingju is the most over-rated. It is jarring and for me cannot be listened to for more than 15 mins. I think Yueju (Shanghai) is the most tuneful, Yueju(Cantonese) is easiest to hum along musically, Gezaixi has the most sorrowful tune, and Chaoju is the most exotic.
OperafanSingapore 4 years ago
This is Jingju. A story called "battle of the red cliff" from the romance of the three kingdoms. Beijing Opera (Jingju) is the best spread and most liked form in China.
galleriapangea 4 years ago
Haha, perhaos your Chinese language is not good enough to understand what they are singing. I speak quite a few north and south Chinese languages, all the major operas have their good elements. The Wu Xi(martial art scenes) of Jingju and Shaanxi Banzi are the best, and Kunqu is the best for its love stories.
chihlitiger 4 years ago
I do understand the Chinese of Jingju; it is the falsetto voice (of both the huadan and some xiaosheng) that I find jarring after a while.I am OK with laodan and laosheng voice.
OperafanSingapore 4 years ago
Well, there are many different forms of Chinese used in Jingju: Zhongyuan, Beijing, Jiangnan, etc, for different roles and context. European Opera also uses 'falset