Nothing is wrong with bristle worm unless they get out of hand. Or they are big as hell. I touch any bristle worm with bare hands and never had anything happen.
Id much rather clean my tank often then have a colony of these ugly guys to do it for me...... i just got rid of one in my tank about an hour ago... Funny thing is was hoping to rid of him for two weeks, went on google and searched "how to rid of bristle worms" and as soon as i looked at my tank the little guy came crawling out, weird timing to say the least.. I'm just not a fan of these things...
someone said to get rid of these you have to grab them out with tweezers. YOU HAVE GoT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! I'm not touching my tank with a ten foot pole! I stay away from the room the fish tank is in. Someone please tell me what fish to buy that will kill these bastards!!!
ok, some people say these are harmful, some say beneficial?? so which is it? if theres two types and ones good, n ones bad, how do i tell the difference? ive been googling my ass off and all im getting is a bunch of blah blah blah and no straight answers. i just got off work im tired its pissing me off. some1 plz help.
gross. any idea on how to get rid of aiptasia? I know this is one of those age old question/issues but i've tried a number of off the shelf solutions and after they all failed i just took my rock and left it in fresh water for a good 24 hrs but it did not kill them off. I have notice tho that i have seen many fewer in the past 2 months since i added a phos canister and a carbon canister. Am i just filtering their food and starving them or what? thanks
to get rid of aiptasia, i use 'red sea's aiptasia x, the anemone actually ingests the solution blocking the anemone's moral cavity. most solutions sold to day cause the anemone to implode releasing its reproductive spores causing the spread. hope this helps
@Fischkid2 inject them with lemon juice use a small dose and only treat a couple at a time so it dosnt affect your ph it really works.the hardest part is finding a syringe
I have loads of these in my tank, without them my tank would be a mess, after lights out they come out of the rocks and clean up all the 'cack' my fish and others left behind. invaluble to me, but by god don't they look ugly!!!! hahahaha
You can do this before you put any new LR in to the tank:
1.Put the stone (LR) in a bucket with saltwater. The level of SiG must be around 1.035-1.040
2 Let i stay there for around 1-2 min
3 All the living things in the stone will come out and land in the bottom of the bucket. Bristle worm that maybe stay in the stone are easy to remove with any tool.
4 Pick up the stone from the bucket.
5 If you want any living from the stone, just pick it up and get rid of the rest.
i have a new 28 gallon salt water tank. I just bought this new live rock and when i put it in the water i saw after like 2 hours that this worm came out of the rock. It was sooooooooo weird and creepy, and then it went back into the rock again. Damn shop owner sold me a really live rock. That thing is creepy and I don't even wanna touch it, and from this clip I see that it even lives out of water.yuk!. Damit I paid 21 bucks for this rock and I might just throw it out. It gives me the creeps.
I would let the rock sit in a bucket with untreated tap water over night, it will kill any worms, Then just re-cure the rock in a bucket with fresh saltwater then put it in your tank after its been cured. Long as your tank is well established the rock will be reseeded and be good as new with no critters.
what a crazy idea. Do not do this unless you have purchased dead base rock, in which case you don't need to zap it with FW / chlorinated water. Live rock costs money for the simple fact that it is live. Leaving it in normal tap water will mean you have wasted a lot of money for "dead rock", as nothing will survive an over night FW bath. Dumb!
@kevinatucla dont do that ,,,, do not put your live rock in a bucket of fresh water just put the piece of rock on a board or in a dry bucket ,, no water the worm will come out on its own , then you can deal with it ,,, putting your live rock in frsh water will kill other helpful life forms
The real truth about Bristleworms are there are two types.
Fireworms and Bristleworms.
They look similar but are different.
Fireworms will hurt fish and corals.
Bristleworms are simply part of a clean up crew that help eat uneaten food and dead fish. I have many in my tank and they cause no harm to my fish or corals. If you saw how slow that worm was moving it would be hard to catch a fish.
Just so you all know, these can potentially kill all fish in your tank. When the fish eats it, it flares it's needle like arms and causes the fish to bleed internally. I have been stung by one of these and it feels like someone is holding a lighter under your hand. Stay away from these
Just today I took a rock out of my reef tank, because for months there has been this wax like tube coming out of one of my rocks. It would be made at night and anything it touched would be eaten or half eaten. I smashed the rock and found a bristle worm. He was making the wax tube. Never saw that before. He ate so many of my feather dusters and was eating my Acropora Chesterfield, it recoverd. It had big ass teeth, but the worm is now dead.
they don't exactly sting. The sensation you get from touching comes from the hairs along there bodies which cause irritation. they really have no "real" stinging ability what so ever.
once I had this strange brownish slug, that would hide most of the day and then once and a while it would come out and pump spores or something into the water.
hahahah your retarded what24ever23 its a bristle worm didnt you type that in yourself hahaha....but these things are really beneficial to your tank as long as they dont get out of control
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they are centipedes and if they get out they'll adapt very quickly to moving like lighting on land. Venomous, they'll do real harm to your children or a baby in a crib.
Recently, most hobbyists have come to the conclusion that small bristle worms pose no threat to other tank inhabitants and are in fact good scavengers and add to the biodiversity of the tank. You can even buy bristleworms from some sources.
It appears to be a "clam worm" as it uses its legs to propell itself. The appendages did not appear fuzzy or tranparent -- they seem solid (like a milipede).
I have bristle worms many times that size and they look a bit different--very similar but this seems to move with its "legs"
If you touch a bristleworm, you get all these nasty little spikes in you that are a real pain to get out, because you can barely see them, they are like the little yellow ones on some cacti. I thought the only spikes on them were the ones you can see, evidently i was wrong... took me like 20 minutes to get them all out. If u want to remove them from your tank, wear gloves or use prongs or something.
ninety-nine percent of the "bristleworms" are harmless and are reef-safe. These animals are active scavengers and predators, but most are strictly opportunistic. The predatory ones usually only consume other worms, detritus, bacteria, algae, micro-crustaceans and other things. This is a very positive and desirable activity.
If it was nibbling on your ricordia than it is not a bristeworm. Please I.D. your worm on an I.D. site so you tell the truth.
Bristleworms actually won't touch anything they are detrivores which means they feed on poop and other organic matter.Bristle worms are good to have in the aquarium. That my friend is not a bristle at first glance.
I have those. Just saw one tonight. They're fine. My marine bio prof. used to call the ones we'd catch "clam worms." They are of course a type of annelid like earthworms and feather dusters. They do have a mean pair of mandibles hidden under their lips though.
tey arent all bad, but if you wanna keep the numbers down, try a dragon wrasse, a nice natural way to cull. be warned although the dragon wrasse is a cool fish, they do get big, ( 10 inches +) and capable of lifting live rock in excess of 3 kilos when they get big :)
They are opportunistic scavengers and remove uneaten food and detritis from the tank. It is little creatures like this that keep your reef healthy. If you remove everything from the tank why even invest in live rock. Just get dead skeletons they are cheaper.
They're really cool to watch. they're actually a scavenger, opportunistic feeders, and won't actively eat living / healthy specimens. It's a common myth. They're actually quite beneficial in keeping a reef tank.
Hmm...it's called a "common" name. Although never called a sandworm (except in maybe Beetlejuice), common names can be anything you feel like, unlike scientific names which cannot. For instance, I could call this worm a Icamefromryanlsasshole Worm, and I would still be right. Also, stop being a dick, you won't get far in life.
Yes, they are dangerous. They pack quite a painful bite and some are poisonous (about as poisonous as a wasp). Some varieties (including the fireworm) have poisonous bristles on them as well.
Nothing is wrong with bristle worm unless they get out of hand. Or they are big as hell. I touch any bristle worm with bare hands and never had anything happen.
xxL0CKHARTxx 3 months ago
Id much rather clean my tank often then have a colony of these ugly guys to do it for me...... i just got rid of one in my tank about an hour ago... Funny thing is was hoping to rid of him for two weeks, went on google and searched "how to rid of bristle worms" and as soon as i looked at my tank the little guy came crawling out, weird timing to say the least.. I'm just not a fan of these things...
Gtrplyr1 5 months ago
someone said to get rid of these you have to grab them out with tweezers. YOU HAVE GoT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! I'm not touching my tank with a ten foot pole! I stay away from the room the fish tank is in. Someone please tell me what fish to buy that will kill these bastards!!!
melissacarl2002 7 months ago
ok, some people say these are harmful, some say beneficial?? so which is it? if theres two types and ones good, n ones bad, how do i tell the difference? ive been googling my ass off and all im getting is a bunch of blah blah blah and no straight answers. i just got off work im tired its pissing me off. some1 plz help.
juicyhotmess 8 months ago
Get the best bristleworm catching advice off ebay, search for bristle worm catcher - £1.25 for the best instructions available to date.
g18rst 1 year ago
got stung by one of these bastards today
eggtube 1 year ago
arnt reefs great!! lol
TheReef009 1 year ago
is there not some kind of fish that will eat them ?
jasondouglas90 1 year ago
@jasondouglas90 I heard sixline wrasse do
lunartoxas 1 year ago
BTW don't EVER pick up a bristel worm BARE HANDED!!! they cause severe stinging and swelling by imbedding tiny hairs in your skin. I HATE THESE!!
grettagrids 2 years ago
gross. any idea on how to get rid of aiptasia? I know this is one of those age old question/issues but i've tried a number of off the shelf solutions and after they all failed i just took my rock and left it in fresh water for a good 24 hrs but it did not kill them off. I have notice tho that i have seen many fewer in the past 2 months since i added a phos canister and a carbon canister. Am i just filtering their food and starving them or what? thanks
Fischkid2 2 years ago
to get rid of aiptasia, i use 'red sea's aiptasia x, the anemone actually ingests the solution blocking the anemone's moral cavity. most solutions sold to day cause the anemone to implode releasing its reproductive spores causing the spread. hope this helps
deadmeat2016 2 years ago
@Fischkid2 inject them with lemon juice use a small dose and only treat a couple at a time so it dosnt affect your ph it really works.the hardest part is finding a syringe
frogmaster421 1 year ago
I have loads of these in my tank, without them my tank would be a mess, after lights out they come out of the rocks and clean up all the 'cack' my fish and others left behind. invaluble to me, but by god don't they look ugly!!!! hahahaha
meganboiling 2 years ago
slimes coming out!
jumboman232 2 years ago
You can do this before you put any new LR in to the tank:
1.Put the stone (LR) in a bucket with saltwater. The level of SiG must be around 1.035-1.040
2 Let i stay there for around 1-2 min
3 All the living things in the stone will come out and land in the bottom of the bucket. Bristle worm that maybe stay in the stone are easy to remove with any tool.
4 Pick up the stone from the bucket.
5 If you want any living from the stone, just pick it up and get rid of the rest.
Done!
2vecesgenio 2 years ago 3
what a scary motherfcker. That is why I have Dottybacks!
ShadowsDecember 2 years ago
i have a new 28 gallon salt water tank. I just bought this new live rock and when i put it in the water i saw after like 2 hours that this worm came out of the rock. It was sooooooooo weird and creepy, and then it went back into the rock again. Damn shop owner sold me a really live rock. That thing is creepy and I don't even wanna touch it, and from this clip I see that it even lives out of water.yuk!. Damit I paid 21 bucks for this rock and I might just throw it out. It gives me the creeps.
kevinatucla 2 years ago 5
I would let the rock sit in a bucket with untreated tap water over night, it will kill any worms, Then just re-cure the rock in a bucket with fresh saltwater then put it in your tank after its been cured. Long as your tank is well established the rock will be reseeded and be good as new with no critters.
buckthegreat 2 years ago
what a crazy idea. Do not do this unless you have purchased dead base rock, in which case you don't need to zap it with FW / chlorinated water. Live rock costs money for the simple fact that it is live. Leaving it in normal tap water will mean you have wasted a lot of money for "dead rock", as nothing will survive an over night FW bath. Dumb!
lgarvey 2 years ago 12
@kevinatucla dont do that ,,,, do not put your live rock in a bucket of fresh water just put the piece of rock on a board or in a dry bucket ,, no water the worm will come out on its own , then you can deal with it ,,, putting your live rock in frsh water will kill other helpful life forms
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@kevinatucla you can also just throw it away in a ziplock bag but kill it first they are realy bad for your tank
vanhalenman60 1 year ago
@kevinatucla get a arrow crab he will he them
runescapeikill 1 year ago
@runescapeikill but once they eat the worms they eat your fish...
bozzle18 1 year ago
@kevinatucla Just get tongs and put it into a pot of boiling water. That will kill any and all worms in your rock.
kabj06 1 year ago
The real truth about Bristleworms are there are two types.
Fireworms and Bristleworms.
They look similar but are different.
Fireworms will hurt fish and corals.
Bristleworms are simply part of a clean up crew that help eat uneaten food and dead fish. I have many in my tank and they cause no harm to my fish or corals. If you saw how slow that worm was moving it would be hard to catch a fish.
MrChrisDilly 2 years ago 4
Fucking smash it!
asianpride1226 2 years ago
fish bait. hu hu ha
w7i7n7k7 2 years ago
Dude...i use them for fishing...Stripped bass love them....so do Porgies and blackfish! get a basslet...they hunt them down in the aquarium.
bulldog111111 2 years ago
anyone seen photos of the 4 foot long bristled reef worm in some UK public aquarium?
Man... if you think this is gross, that's 20 times the size and actually has jaws, yikes...
guywithapen 2 years ago
Just so you all know, these can potentially kill all fish in your tank. When the fish eats it, it flares it's needle like arms and causes the fish to bleed internally. I have been stung by one of these and it feels like someone is holding a lighter under your hand. Stay away from these
saxkid07 2 years ago 2
no shit they sting!!!
grettagrids 2 years ago
dose it grow in the tank or what?
zach199314 3 years ago
SICK!
chinamen555 3 years ago
i use those for fishing!
redandbluebeater 3 years ago
Please tell me you disposed of that revolting life form.
angelmarine1292 3 years ago
man,this is fucking disgusting.....
GamerzPride 3 years ago
i would lol if someone drank the bottle of water on accident! HAHA
xBAMM222x 3 years ago 2
.... hit it with a hammer
BAWCAW 3 years ago
things nasty
coooooollllle 3 years ago
Just today I took a rock out of my reef tank, because for months there has been this wax like tube coming out of one of my rocks. It would be made at night and anything it touched would be eaten or half eaten. I smashed the rock and found a bristle worm. He was making the wax tube. Never saw that before. He ate so many of my feather dusters and was eating my Acropora Chesterfield, it recoverd. It had big ass teeth, but the worm is now dead.
JTMHollywood 3 years ago
they don't exactly sting. The sensation you get from touching comes from the hairs along there bodies which cause irritation. they really have no "real" stinging ability what so ever.
Cnidarious 3 years ago
they do have poison in the hollow needles. That's why they cause irritation. Use tweezers to remove.
caesar3693 3 years ago
its actually not so much a toxin then it is a protein. but the results are the same yeah.
Cnidarious 3 years ago 3
once I had this strange brownish slug, that would hide most of the day and then once and a while it would come out and pump spores or something into the water.
wtf was it?
jcrist 3 years ago
i fish thos efucking "worms" alot, wen i use fish as bite -.-'''
btw: they have poison, dont toucth em!
rluix 3 years ago
awesome but gross lol!
Gmodseries 3 years ago
it looks like an alien creature !!!
qatarson333 3 years ago
dude we have the same computer case! mine has green and blue lights
700748 3 years ago
hahahah your retarded what24ever23 its a bristle worm didnt you type that in yourself hahaha....but these things are really beneficial to your tank as long as they dont get out of control
a518guerilla666 3 years ago
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they are centipedes and if they get out they'll adapt very quickly to moving like lighting on land. Venomous, they'll do real harm to your children or a baby in a crib.
what24ever23 3 years ago
Lol I hope your messing around? If not stay in school or go back.
nareea 3 years ago
it's not a centipede...
jcrist 3 years ago
AWSOME
HOTRODMOMMA4 3 years ago
bristle worms are usually harmless, and only really eat leftovers. They are scavenger, and are much like sea cucumbers--
just don't touch then with your bare hands. ;)
orcafun2007 3 years ago 4
Why?
darkshiv 3 years ago
They'll sting you.
BrianShaneRushton 3 years ago
how bad?
darkshiv 3 years ago
really bad. the stingers hurt like hell.
jsmoritz2000 3 years ago
wtf is that and waht is a bristle worm
lykins8 3 years ago
Recently, most hobbyists have come to the conclusion that small bristle worms pose no threat to other tank inhabitants and are in fact good scavengers and add to the biodiversity of the tank. You can even buy bristleworms from some sources.
jessehicks 3 years ago 3
nice setup
biocube1 3 years ago
eww!!
ihatepanda 3 years ago 2
It appears to be a "clam worm" as it uses its legs to propell itself. The appendages did not appear fuzzy or tranparent -- they seem solid (like a milipede).
I have bristle worms many times that size and they look a bit different--very similar but this seems to move with its "legs"
Scary looking worm though
theACKpreacher 3 years ago 3
whoa limescale monster :V
reviewmad 3 years ago
eww
CoryDemone 3 years ago
plz check my bot out called
my bristle bot
jakester555 3 years ago
thats a ugly little guy.
norton158 3 years ago
looks lik a damn tape worm.
Devilz52 3 years ago
my kitty had worms but he is ok ha ha lol
Sailorjerryf1 3 years ago
If you touch a bristleworm, you get all these nasty little spikes in you that are a real pain to get out, because you can barely see them, they are like the little yellow ones on some cacti. I thought the only spikes on them were the ones you can see, evidently i was wrong... took me like 20 minutes to get them all out. If u want to remove them from your tank, wear gloves or use prongs or something.
Dechaine249 3 years ago 2
What I did was take some strong tape and repetitively used it to pull em out.
elsad 3 years ago
sounds painfull lol, i forget if its vinigar or hot water (possibly both) that dissolves the protein in the spikes, makes it less painful.
musho3210 3 years ago
Claudia shut the f**k up. Its not gonna die so take your animal rights shit somewhere else.
xxLiLxxSperxx 3 years ago
ill name him wormy! come here wormy! NOO!! HELP!!!
GrizzleSkateboards 3 years ago
it looks like a worm from Star Gate :-)
bastlenicom 3 years ago
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how do u expect to get that out of the bottle?! shake it over?! your sick and cruel! let it DIE in that cruel environment!
claudiawas 3 years ago
ugly... but maybe we look ugly for "him"
Melpheos1er 3 years ago
where did u get dat?
adelly1023 3 years ago
ninety-nine percent of the "bristleworms" are harmless and are reef-safe. These animals are active scavengers and predators, but most are strictly opportunistic. The predatory ones usually only consume other worms, detritus, bacteria, algae, micro-crustaceans and other things. This is a very positive and desirable activity.
spensr 3 years ago 10
O.O that thing creeps me out i'd hate to find it in my bathtub one day D:
milkshake7656 3 years ago
Mm, this thing really brings out the beastiality in me.
xerokine 3 years ago
ONE WORD FOR YAH! " DISGUSTING!!"
6456784 3 years ago
ew.
DenVaagheid 3 years ago
holly crap
Speed4ATL 3 years ago
imagine finding that at the bottom of your Cuervo
tberent 3 years ago
Give it to some you hate and make them drink it
xXRubiksgeekXx 3 years ago 2
What was nasty!!but interesting..but gross..
Darkpixie10 4 years ago 2
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My cock is rock hard.
kevdude421 4 years ago 29
Ow, is it a problen, I'll CUT IT OF YOU FUCKING IDIOT
AdZeevaarders 3 years ago
oh god noooo X(
lcooke 4 years ago 2
almost all bristleworms are harmless; the only ones you need to worry about are fireworms.
fishcatch22 4 years ago 2
I need to worry about these things?!!!
tberent 3 years ago
Just take 'em out when they get huge if you want. I am not worried about them too much, but don't like them either.
nopronameyo 3 years ago
How do they get in the aquarium? Im kinda worried about my fishes.
KillerMetroid 4 years ago
Live rock and sand hitch hikers, don't worry too much.
nopronameyo 3 years ago
the bristles are poisonous. not deadly but if you touch it then it will give you a hell of a rash
pitbulls4fools 4 years ago
Thats so gross
Spiritnight123456 4 years ago 4
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Thats so gross
Spiritnight123456 4 years ago
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Thats so gross
Spiritnight123456 4 years ago
a saw one yesterday peeking out of a rock that was about 5/8 inch wide, i think thats to big, ima kill it
quantumparodox 4 years ago 5
If it was nibbling on your ricordia than it is not a bristeworm. Please I.D. your worm on an I.D. site so you tell the truth.
Bristleworms actually won't touch anything they are detrivores which means they feed on poop and other organic matter.Bristle worms are good to have in the aquarium. That my friend is not a bristle at first glance.
blackmajik2 4 years ago
Actually few can get aggresive. But I agree, that is not a bristleworm.
elsad 3 years ago
whoa
ilive4sports11 4 years ago
scary as hell
ughh
sharpshooter998 4 years ago
"They can get massive and start eating things"
Like what? *shivers*
NightOpsProductions 4 years ago
i caught one nibbling on one of my orange ricordea in the middle of the night
buckthegreat 4 years ago
I would take a hammer and wake the shit outta that thing.
BoBtheparrot7 4 years ago 2
lol why not spary it with lynx and set it alight
m1213ac 4 years ago
i found one too, i putted it in a plastic bag, he ate his way out of the bag!
ICMStug 4 years ago
damn that a big one, good idea to remove the big ones, but leave the small guys cause thier good for a tank
nanoguy4098 4 years ago
Yeah the eat the algae and other microbes.
Molew2008 4 years ago 2
are they introduced to the tank through live rock? can they make their way in from the addition of a new invert?
deadhead957 4 years ago
nasty motherfucker
bensonak47 4 years ago 3
dont touch it it will enject a little tube thats filled with venom it will eritate ur skin and hurt!
justinkoolkat 4 years ago 3
I have those. Just saw one tonight. They're fine. My marine bio prof. used to call the ones we'd catch "clam worms." They are of course a type of annelid like earthworms and feather dusters. They do have a mean pair of mandibles hidden under their lips though.
CadetMKultra 4 years ago
i find those by my beach and they look like sand worms the 1s u go fishing with.
ISm0keR0cks 4 years ago
tey arent all bad, but if you wanna keep the numbers down, try a dragon wrasse, a nice natural way to cull. be warned although the dragon wrasse is a cool fish, they do get big, ( 10 inches +) and capable of lifting live rock in excess of 3 kilos when they get big :)
check out my reef tank.
happy fish keeping.
bertie411 4 years ago
They are opportunistic scavengers and remove uneaten food and detritis from the tank. It is little creatures like this that keep your reef healthy. If you remove everything from the tank why even invest in live rock. Just get dead skeletons they are cheaper.
aarontwhitehead 4 years ago
they look wierd and sharp with like spikes and stuff
PcJaiden828 4 years ago
do they get aggresive? what do they do? first time i saw one O_O
SnipeZ850 4 years ago
Looks like a fatty i rolled last week....not much of a fatty though...
HyphyTheodore 4 years ago
They're really cool to watch. they're actually a scavenger, opportunistic feeders, and won't actively eat living / healthy specimens. It's a common myth. They're actually quite beneficial in keeping a reef tank.
MrWizardno2 4 years ago
now boil it ALIVE !!!!!!!!! Lol
dustylee 4 years ago
can u feed it rabbits? u should film that
clown134 4 years ago
that's awesome you should keep it
daniel164 4 years ago
its called a sand worm u guys are so fucking stupid
ryanls1992 4 years ago
Shut the fuck up it's called a Bristle worm, I looked it up. Fucking tard.
Shortkid110 4 years ago
Hmm...it's called a "common" name. Although never called a sandworm (except in maybe Beetlejuice), common names can be anything you feel like, unlike scientific names which cannot. For instance, I could call this worm a Icamefromryanlsasshole Worm, and I would still be right. Also, stop being a dick, you won't get far in life.
"The solution to pollution is dilution"
Wilforknowledge 4 years ago
lol where did that come from?
Paralyzah 4 years ago
you picked it up with tongs, are they dangerous?
juggaloman2 4 years ago
Yes, they are dangerous. They pack quite a painful bite and some are poisonous (about as poisonous as a wasp). Some varieties (including the fireworm) have poisonous bristles on them as well.
Wilforknowledge 4 years ago
lol, dat's weird
MadCatMk254 4 years ago
but... can it do tricks
russianpeanut 4 years ago
keep it and look how long it can get! :D
KusinGBG 4 years ago
many feet long
buckthegreat 4 years ago
Holy shit, really?
Shortkid110 4 years ago
weird,but at the same time, cool. how big can they get?
mayhem94 4 years ago